Will only be in the area for a few weeks this summer. So not what I'm looking for. Maybe staying with family. Maybe a traveling pro. Next.
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Will only be in the area for a few weeks this summer. So not what I'm looking for. Maybe staying with family. Maybe a traveling pro. Next.
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[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6493004]I like Seeking and I've asked about Secret Benefits but is seems like a nickel and dime you to death site Is anyone finding success with what's your price?[/QUOTE]You think SB nickels and dimes you to death? WYP is as bad, PLUS they have LOTS of EXPLICIT warnings that say, sex should never be expected on a first date. Girls take this seriously, guys do not. So why am I gunna agree to pay $200+ to meet a girl, for what essentially is a M&G?
Also WYP is explicit about the fact that once you agree to a date, which requires a specific $ amount, you have a CONTRACT and have to follow through. But who is gunna sue you over that? But many dudes fall for this BS! It is a rinser's paradise there. Mooks willing to pay 200,300 or more just for a M&G style date. Girl eats and drinks on you, and then begs off any further activity. Great gig for a girl, terrible for a dude.
Oh sure, have read stories from dudes who have had success there. Me, tried it once, came up snake eyes and never wasted money on that again. Why not just stick with SA and work on your game? I found my initial approach didn't work so well, but after some refinement, with help from others here, I've had better success!
[QUOTE=HenryT458;6497997]Will only be in the area for a few weeks this summer. So not what I'm looking for. Maybe staying with family. Maybe a traveling pro. Next.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/26293d69-92a1-4eed-85e5-f9d6b7a7225c[/URL][/QUOTE]I normally don't trust post like that but I would lean non pro. A traveling pros seem less likely to hide their faces. I think a pro would tend to target Wilmington over Newark. And Newark is a college town so this screams of I'm taking a class or two at the local university and want to make some easy money on the side.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6498366]You think SB nickels and dimes you to death? WYP is as bad, PLUS they have LOTS of EXPLICIT warnings that say, sex should never be expected on a first date. Girls take this seriously, guys do not. So why am I gunna agree to pay $200+ to meet a girl, for what essentially is a M&G?
Also WYP is explicit about the fact that once you agree to a date, which requires a specific $ amount, you have a CONTRACT and have to follow through. But who is gunna sue you over that? But many dudes fall for this BS! It is a rinser's paradise there. Mooks willing to pay 200,300 or more just for a M&G style date. Girl eats and drinks on you, and then begs off any further activity. Great gig for a girl, terrible for a dude.
Oh sure, have read stories from dudes who have had success there. Me, tried it once, came up snake eyes and never wasted money on that again. Why not just stick with SA and work on your game? I found my initial approach didn't work so well, but after some refinement, with help from others here, I've had better success![/QUOTE]It's the allure of new faces that had me interested but thanks for the info. I've heard from people privately that say the same thing. SA actually works great for me. I've been on a lot of low pressure non paid M&Gs.
What's the profit model for WYP. Do they hold he money and take a small portion?
[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6498478]I normally don't trust post like that but I would lean non pro. A traveling pros seem less likely to hide their faces. I think a pro would tend to target Wilmington over Newark. And Newark is a college town so this screams of I'm taking a class or two at the local university and want to make some easy money on the side.[/QUOTE]Your logic feels sound Myth. I'm leaning toward the college girl in for a summer semester now. But still. I'd rather start something with a chick that can become more long term. It's such a pain in the ass to find a compatible chick who is attractive and reasonable. If I find one, I hope to have it last a bit longer than a few weeks.
She's only available after 500 pm weekdays. Will meet on weekends. That doesn't work for me.
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[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6495815]When I was buying my 1st car in the late 80's early 90's for about 15 K new, a good escort cost 150-200. Almost 30 years later, I just can find the energy to complain that a SB wants 300-500. Of course I have met talked to more women above that range than below it. I'm still amazed when a non druggie or non SW is offering services at escort prices from 30 years ago. I think our complaints on prices speak to the stagnation of the middle class. Many professionals in the industries like tech make 4 to 5 times what they made in the 90's. So I totally understand both sides of this argument.[/QUOTE]I was literally just thinking about that. In my nearly 40 years mongering, prices have been remarkably stable. I would also add, the supply has gone up significantly (whether that is a QUALITY supply is open for discussion). My first girl out of the gate cost me 250. My date Saturday night cost me 250.
[QUOTE=LBerkey;6501375]I was literally just thinking about that. In my nearly 40 years mongering, prices have been remarkably stable. I would also add, the supply has gone up significantly (whether that is a QUALITY supply is open for discussion). My first girl out of the gate cost me 250. My date Saturday night cost me 250.[/QUOTE]Yeah, It's kind of crazy if you're an old timer. It's kind of like he price of drugs. Though I guess there are no more nickel bags! (I could be completely wrong on that) I'd agree that the supply is up since any girl with the internet and a desire to make a little cash can put out her shingle. As far as quality, there seems to be a huge range. You have girls with open sores and drug addictions at one end and instagram models with PHDs on the other end!
[QUOTE=LBerkey;6501375]I was literally just thinking about that. In my nearly 40 years mongering, prices have been remarkably stable. I would also add, the supply has gone up significantly (whether that is a QUALITY supply is open for discussion). My first girl out of the gate cost me 250. My date Saturday night cost me 250.[/QUOTE]When I first got on seeking around 7+ years ago, I was meeting women for 15 min car dates during lunch time.
60 BBJCIM or 100 BBFS.
This was from college girls and young attractive single moms.
Probably met at least 20 over a 2 year period and all were great experiences.
These were the days before OF and tiktok.
Life was great until I got permanently banned from SE.
Been on and off seeking the last 3 years. Divorced so all new address and credit card on the site.
I aim for $100/$200 and it's hard to get but possible with average looking mid aged women and it's a lot of work.
But now the college / young moms want $300/$500 for the same services.
So I don't agree that prices have been steady compared to what I initially paid.
[QUOTE=KenAllen;6501435]When I first got on seeking around 7+ years ago, I was meeting women for 15 min car dates during lunch time.
60 BBJCIM or 100 BBFS.
This was from college girls and young attractive single moms.
Probably met at least 20 over a 2 year period and all were great experiences.
These were the days before OF and tiktok.
Life was great until I got permanently banned from SE.
Been on and off seeking the last 3 years. Divorced so all new address and credit card on the site.
I aim for $100/$200 and it's hard to get but possible with average looking mid aged women and it's a lot of work.
But now the college / young moms want $300/$500 for the same services.
So I don't agree that prices have been steady compared to what I initially paid.[/QUOTE]I would agree that SA has changed but I think you need to look at the entire market of sex work over a longer period of time. The internet had a big effect on bringing down or maintaining prices in the early 2000's. I would point out that you were paying $100 for a 15 minute car date! That's $400 an hour. You're obviously younger than me because I wouldn't be capable of having good sex in a car! Now that you have more freedom and time, you could find what you're looking for for multiple hours if you were paying $400. If you're paying $100, yes you best bet is a SW, but it would probably cost you less. So maybe the floor for the non SW is higher but I don't think the ceiling for these services has risen much. There is a ton of competition online. SA has all kinds of women, some want to be SBs and some just want to grab some money as quick as possible. No, you probably can't find a college girl who wants to be a SB to do a car date for $100, but you can probably find a girl to pretend to be a college coed and do a car date.
[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6501805]I would agree that SA has changed but I think you need to look at the entire market of sex work over a longer period of time. The internet had a big effect on bringing down or maintaining prices in the early 2000's. I would point out that you were paying $100 for a 15 minute car date! That's $400 an hour. You're obviously younger than me because I wouldn't be capable of having good sex in a car! Now that you have more freedom and time, you could find what you're looking for for multiple hours if you were paying $400. If you're paying $100, yes you best bet is a SW, but it would probably cost you less. So maybe the floor for the non SW is higher but I don't think the ceiling for these services has risen much. There is a ton of competition online. SA has all kinds of women, some want to be SBs and some just want to grab some money as quick as possible. No, you probably can't find a college girl who wants to be a SB to do a car date for $100, but you can probably find a girl to pretend to be a college coed and do a car date.[/QUOTE]I don't do car dates anymore since I can host but the college coed in seeking are asking 300-500 when I tell them I only want 20-30 min first date.
It's to gauge sexual compatibility and weed out the rip-offs.
[QUOTE=KenAllen;6501915]I don't do car dates anymore since I can host but the college coed in seeking are asking 300-500 when I tell them I only want 20-30 min first date.
It's to gauge sexual compatibility and weed out the rip-offs.[/QUOTE]I think you are unintentionally asking for more services at the same price. Picking up a girl on or near campus for some quick fun for 100 is significantly different for the girl than driving or catching a bus to your place to spend 20 minutes making 100. She's going to spend maybe an hour on combined travel even if you're pretty close to her location. Don't label me a 'white knight' or anything but I wouldn't travel an hour to watch TV with a stranger for 15 minutes at their house for 100. Gas cost too much and the opportunities that they are missing out on are too great. In some sense they have a lot of free time so, they'd probably rather spend 3 hours with one guy for 300-500 who might even buy them a drink or dinner than trying to deal with 5 different guys all paying 100 for 20 minutes. That's just the reality of a sugar baby website. The women you are looking for may have migrated to sites like WYP or one of those backpage / craigslist wannabe rip off sites.
Bringing this all back to stagnant cost. It seems to me that the quality that I used to pay 250-350 for 20-30 years ago for a clock watching 1 hour can be had for multiple hours at 400-500, sometimes most of a day if you're into that sort of thing.
Anyone know anything about her? Normally tons of tattoos aren't my thing but she has a really sexy look of "bad ass hot white trash girl" about her. Feels a little like a guilty pleasure.
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[QUOTE=KCesar68;6502543]Anyone know anything about her? Normally tons of tattoos aren't my thing but she has a really sexy look of "bad ass hot white trash girl" about her. Feels a little like a guilty pleasure.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/511829a9-0e8e-426d-abcc-53db1de3a7d1[/URL][/QUOTE]I think she wanted to meet one of our brethren directly at her hotel. Gave off pro vibes. High volume chick. He passed. I don't blame him. There was a post about her. Use the last 8 digits of the URL in the searchbar for this thread and the post should pop up.
Excellent point Myth. This is the logic I use with potential sbs. I subscribe to "cheap is not good and good is not cheap." Although I have been off SA for almost a year because it just sucks anymore, I can say that some college ladies can be had for similar prices that were offered years back. I am fortunate to live in an area with lots of colleges within a reasonable driving distance. The ground game still works and I have had some success in the 200-300 area with very nice college ladies needing some quick cash for 2-4 hrs of their time. Of course summer creates another challenge but my pipeline I has a steady rotation of variety for the dry summer. The beach is a great place to hunt and if you are fortunate enough to have a beach house, like myself, that always helps.
Be Safe.
[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6502482]I think you are unintentionally asking for more services at the same price. Picking up a girl on or near campus for some quick fun for 100 is significantly different for the girl than driving or catching a bus to your place to spend 20 minutes making 100. She's going to spend maybe an hour on combined travel even if you're pretty close to her location. Don't label me a 'white knight' or anything but I wouldn't travel an hour to watch TV with a stranger for 15 minutes at their house for 100. Gas cost too much and the opportunities that they are missing out on are too great. In some sense they have a lot of free time so, they'd probably rather spend 3 hours with one guy for 300-500 who might even buy them a drink or dinner than trying to deal with 5 different guys all paying 100 for 20 minutes. That's just the reality of a sugar baby website. The women you are looking for may have migrated to sites like WYP or one of those backpage / craigslist wannabe rip off sites.
Bringing this all back to stagnant cost. It seems to me that the quality that I used to pay 250-350 for 20-30 years ago for a clock watching 1 hour can be had for multiple hours at 400-500, sometimes most of a day if you're into that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]