"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5219364]I totally agree. However, now Seeking is charging 100 for a 30 day membership. That is bullshit. You know that will go up again. Everything is going up. ....
[/QUOTE]Not trying to cause trouble, but I think the price is about right. First of all, it is negligible compared to what you will be giving the girl if you are going to be her sugar daddy. Second, it helps keep out the riff raff. From the conversations I've had with girls, there is still plenty of riff raff -- guys who are cheap, rude, aggressive, focused on specific sex acts, trying to get it for free, etc. My present SB was about to quit the site when she met me. And I'm NOT saying you are one of them -- of course I don't know. Aren't there sites where guys can find girls for free? I don't know anything about those, but I'm thinking about Tinder, POF, Snapchat, etc?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5219979]My BMW was expensive, but I like how they drive. If you want quality you have to pay. Seriously, the cost of SA is in the noise for what we're doing w / SBs. It's one hotel room for one FC. If you have any game at all, after a month on SA, you will likely have met at least a few POTs, perhaps taken them to the FC, and have a long list of phone #s you can text with for the next few months. I only pay for a membership a month at a time, and perhaps once or twice a year. I like to browse at other times, putting profiles into my deep freeze to thaw out later.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you Far. I am more than willing to pay more for good quality. But that is the operative word, Quality. I don't see quality at the AMPs and in my opinion the quality has gotten worse. Granted it was never good to begin with but the women seem to be getting older, less attractive and the even the massage is getting worse. I've had AMP quality in San Francisco and by far no competition. They are porn star quality. Those places you'll end up paying 300 for FS and I have no problem paying that for good looking hot babes. My biggest concern is that the prices are going up and there has been no change in service, attitude, looks. The good ones are very few and far between. That's all.

[QUOTE=Snake27;5221023]Not trying to cause trouble, but I think the price is about right. First of all, it is negligible compared to what you will be giving the girl if you are going to be her sugar daddy. Second, it helps keep out the riff raff. From the conversations I've had with girls, there is still plenty of riff raff -- guys who are cheap, rude, aggressive, focused on specific sex acts, trying to get it for free, etc. My present SB was about to quit the site when she met me. And I'm NOT saying you are one of them -- of course I don't know. Aren't there sites where guys can find girls for free? I don't know anything about those, but I'm thinking about Tinder, POF, Snapchat, etc?[/QUOTE]Hey Snake, no worries I always like hearing what others have to say. I have had good luck with SA. I've even gone as far as getting free pussy. But admittedly it's been a while LOL. I even talk to one SB now that has been over two years. I usually get on SA one month at a time and maybe twice or three times a years. I feel like I am attractive, good shape and decent game That is how I get it for free some times. When I get on SA I collect a ton of phone numbers but many of them turn out to be flakes or not what I am looking for. I think many of them have been put off by the jerks out there. I've been spoiled and I've gotten the true SB. Someone who isn't in it for the money, completely LOL. I do agree with you Snake that I feel for women on that site because they do have to confront a lot of A $$holes. I don't know why guys can't be respectful. Those aholes ruin it for the rest of us. I also wish that 100 was enough to keep the riff raff out but when a guy is horny they will still pay for just at the chance to be a dick. But my bigges complain is that everything is going up but the quality, quantity or even the odds are getting worse. More so in the AMP world. For example, I can't believe how many of these women are using sites like SA to promote their OF account. Great. But again, that is my opinion and how I see things. Love hearing what others have to say.

Hey, TheHobbyLobby. We're cool. I have no problems with guys getting it for free, I was just noting some things girls have told me (a lot). But we all know the secret life of women. They say one thing and do another (like fuck guys on SA for free). I also think that guys wouldn't try some things unless it worked at some level, and this includes the rude aggressive approach, which goes against my nature but it probably works with some women. I still think the price of joining SA is a useful filter, but that's just my opinion. Finally, I speculate that COVID-19 has a lot to do with the down turn in quality. Smaller talent pool as people are scared off.

MILF / GND -- seems a lot of fun, but can't get to specifics. She is new and overwhelmed -- [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/663b9c25-8491-4c4c-b25b-cc1feba2efb9[/URL].

Super cute, smoking bod, says she has done this before. Car not reliable, so expecting a $ ask before first meeting -- [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a15ab0eb-1ffb-4706-b463-420896092c6f[/URL].

Can't seem to get far with this one - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/35d590a7-d808-42bd-a27a-9a50827fb252[/URL].

[QUOTE=Snake27;5221245]Hey, TheHobbyLobby. We're cool. I have no problems with guys getting it for free, I was just noting some things girls have told me (a lot). But we all know the secret life of women. They say one thing and do another (like fuck guys on SA for free). I also think that guys wouldn't try some things unless it worked at some level, and this includes the rude aggressive approach, which goes against my nature but it probably works with some women. I still think the price of joining SA is a useful filter, but that's just my opinion. Finally, I speculate that COVID-19 has a lot to do with the down turn in quality. Smaller talent pool as people are scared off.[/QUOTE]I've been reading some of why'alls posts I'm going to weigh in on my take, advice and one of my experiences. First; maybe paying the price to join SA, WYP or SBFM and other Civvy sites is a YMMV cost vs time pursuing thing.

How you pay to access those sites (vanilla card. Ect) to figure out how to hide your expenses from the SO is your deal. Good luck with that. I'm SO less so I don't know that angle. If a SO is in your life watch closely what ya doing; pretty much track your bank account finances (cash is king to get those cards) and don't get "secret" bank account and or "secret" credit cards because those will show our on your credit report and will divulge your finances. Duh.

I basically look at those web sites as a dating option; I don't even get into the allowances at first, start off as being genuine, offer the fun SD experience, (wine, dine, shopping. Ect) and hopefully that will get ya lots a trips to the FC. It's worked for me half dozen times.. And I'm not talking getting it free. For instance; my favorite challenge is the GPS ones, you usually can tell if they are a want to be pro or not. I did hook up with the Baroness (YMMV $$ PRO) from SBFM and one non-pro from SA at the time and now on Tryst I recommend, she's top shelf sweetheart $$.

Anyway. I connected with this very non-pro GPS, looks a 11 out of 10 27 yo type chick from SA / WYP, we went back and forth for about a week or so; eventually she agreed to a M&G at TC in the Slip without her entry fee $$$ with the understanding she could punch out and anytime If she didn't feel comfortable or as she put a waste of time. Cocktails at the bar 7 pm and dinner res at 8 pm. I did my diligence called ahead to a few of the Slip hotels to see if there were any rooms available, yes there were. When I got there, I parked my car in the hotel deck. She shows up on time with a friend at the bar. Aughhhh, I'm thinking oh well two GPS's wanting free cocktails. Eventually her friend gives me the seal of approval and says to text for a pick her up when we are done with dinner. Dinner was awesome great conversation; she ordered a bottle of Silver Oak with dinner. Thinking to myself Yep GPS. Towards the end dinner I told her I was to buzzed to drive home and I going to see if the there was a room available across the street; did she want to join me? She Asked me what are we going to do, I told her watch SNL? She said yeh right. Made the call confirm if a room was available. She flags the waitress to bring the check and a bottle of Cake Bread Chardonnay.. Tells me we are taking with us.

We checked in as Mr and Mrs at her recommendation; wine bottle hanging out of her pocket book; no luggage; she says we got a baby sitter, then she calls her friend don't worry picking her up we are in room # she will call in in the morning to check in, poor guy behind the desk was like WTF. From the time we got to the room it was uninhibited fun until we check out in the morning.

So the conclusion: time spent trying to connect to a GPS non-pro; cocktails, dinner, wine $370.00, room $125.00, figuring out that had non rushed fun and saved about $1000.00 plus not engaging with an escort for an overnight. Priceless. Go figure. Not missing the point, was it free?

SA is $99 a month now? I haven't been on in about 6 months. Last account got shut down. I was going to set up a new one until I saw the price. Anyone have a discount code?

Thanks and be safe!

Hello Gents,

Long time USASG member but a month into the Sugarbaby Seeking Arrangements game. A rookie for sure.

In reading the LA SB section apparently, Richmond is the holy grail for advice haha, so coming to the source. Met a few girls already in the 1 month, all fun times.

Random questions not sure if anyone knows the answer. Met a SB last Saturday night, had a bottle of wine at the beach, got a BBBJCIM cute 20 yr old. Got some food after, all good. Have not talked to her since but when I look at her profile shows her last log in Feb 22nd. Does that mean if you can't see their last log-in date change, they blocked you? Or simply she's not been online all week.

Other question, I posted a few pictures in my profile with me and past girls I dated in other countries. Just figured that would disarm them even more if pics with cute girls, a bad idea? Anyone else has that? Maybe I'll delete them.

The last question is one I get the most, "what are you looking for"? I usually say a girl to meet up with to see if we vibe / connect and if so, someone to take on day trip adventures, spoil and make her life a little easier. Curious if you guys can share any better comebacks for the main question most of them always ask. Then comes the PPM talk, etc. I tell them I won't discuss money until we meet, but I'm open to new advice. Definitely takes time to weed through the scams and pros, and also taking it to text and talking, etc. Definitely I agree in all the posts I've seen here where you guys say it takes some work. I had a few girls flake really good. They call, talk on the phone, sound hot, nice pics, agree to meet in a day or two, then boom, silence LOL!! The crazy world this bowl.

Any advice for a rookie is appreciated.

Stay safe.

AD.

Veteran on this site, but new to the Sugar Scene and the below is great advice. I had a girl tell me she wanted $750 for gas to meet me (mind you, she lives 5 miles away) I told her what the hell are you driving a 53 ft truck? Of course, I said good luck with that.

I know they can report you for talking ish so I been biting my tongue and just using the block feature on the pros and sharks.

I already got suspsended for copy / pasting too many fishing lines in one day LOL. I had to email to let them know it was me, not spam and they unlocked me. Haha.

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4666620]When I first got in to the bowl maybe 5 years ago I paid 2 girls for M&G and never saw either of them after. I do pay for the coffee or lunch or whatever but I don't pay the SB for them anymore. When asked I tell the girl that to me, the M&G is like an interview and that if they were to be offered an interview for a job and they asked for a paycheck 1st they wouldn't get the interview. I have told this to maybe 5 girls and 4 of them just said ok and that was that. One dropped the request, met me for coffee and we went to the FC straight from there.

I also never pay for pics and vids. Those don't really turn me on anyway but a lot of the girls claim they want to do that for a while first but promise to meet later. I just feel like they have no intention of meeting so I move on.

The good is that there are tons of SBs now so its easy to just move on when you come across a girl who wants $ for the M&G or just wants to send pics. The bad is that there are guys out there who do those things so some girls think it is the norm.

Have fun and be safe![/QUOTE]

Has anyone met her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3145d27d-cd59-45d7-9498-fee61b8f60bb[/URL]

She sounds likes she is DTF and does this kind of regularly.

Thanks!

When this appeared, it seemed an obvious way to extract more moolah from us SDs. I have found some use for it, in revealing more about a POT. I've seen some profiles with 100 items. That's pretty obviously golden pussy syndrome. Likewise those that include lotsa expensive jewelry, etc. I have seen some that are just flowers and chocolates. These are likely girls who are sincerely looking for an ongoing relationship that doesn't feel like a transaction / make them feel like a hooker. I came across some recently that were exclusively sex toys. I even commented on that in my messaging to the girl. Of course, it's well known that a lot of girls on the site are submissive, not all of them come out and say that in their profiles, but if their wish list includes handcuffs, blindfolds, paddles, etc. Well heck, tap into that when you message her.

Another thing. If I have looked at a girl's wish list, when she changes it, I get an email from SA. I don't really care, but I was told by a girl that every time I view her wish list, she gets an email notification (this was the one w / just 4 sex toys. She asked me to stop teasing her). I like to try to use things on the site as signals to a girl. For example, I don't reveal my hidden photos on a first message. If she has read that message and not responded, I can 'put' something new in her inbox from me by opening my pictures. I specifically like to message a girl while she is online. I think this has a greater chance of getting her attention. Some of these girls are getting literally hundreds of messages per day, it is easy for them to forget about one, even if they liked it. Anyway, look at the gift list if you want to remind her without being a pest. I'd bet UTR escorts never bother to make a wish list.

Of course, I am sure all the items are highly marked up, even if I wanted to get a girl something on her list, I'd go myself and get it from a discount web vendor.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5235834]When this appeared, it seemed an obvious way to extract more moolah from us SDs. I have found some use for it, in revealing more about a POT. I've seen some profiles with 100 items. That's pretty obviously golden pussy syndrome. Likewise those that include lotsa expensive jewelry, etc. I have seen some that are just flowers and chocolates. These are likely girls who are sincerely looking for an ongoing relationship that doesn't feel like a transaction / make them feel like a hooker. I came across some recently that were exclusively sex toys. I even commented on that in my messaging to the girl. Of course, it's well known that a lot of girls on the site are submissive, not all of them come out and say that in their profiles, but if their wish list includes handcuffs, blindfolds, paddles, etc. Well heck, tap into that when you message her.

Another thing. If I have looked at a girl's wish list, when she changes it, I get an email from SA. I don't really care, but I was told by a girl that every time I view her wish list, she gets an email notification (this was the one w / just 4 sex toys. She asked me to stop teasing her). I like to try to use things on the site as signals to a girl. For example, I don't reveal my hidden photos on a first message. If she has read that message and not responded, I can 'put' something new in her inbox from me by opening my pictures. I specifically like to message a girl while she is online. I think this has a greater chance of getting her attention. Some of these girls are getting literally hundreds of messages per day, it is easy for them to forget about one, even if they liked it. Anyway, look at the gift list if you want to remind her without being a pest. I'd bet UTR escorts never bother to make a wish list.

Of course, I am sure all the items are highly marked up, even if I wanted to get a girl something on her list, I'd go myself and get it from a discount web vendor.[/QUOTE]Great insight brother and some things I've never thought. Appreciated stay safe.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5235834]Of course, I am sure all the items are highly marked up, even if I wanted to get a girl something on her list, I'd go myself and get it from a discount web vendor.[/QUOTE]A) If I am going the "showcase showdown of cash and prizes" route vs. All $$ allowance, I always tell them to make a wish list on Amazon.

B) You can always find creative ways to leverage non-cash allowances. Someone new to town -- have them fill a shopping cart on Bed Bath and Beyond for their new place. I have their membership, so I get 20% off.

C) Tech and related items can be bought at STaples or best buy -- put it on the company credit card and it looks like office purchases (they joys of being self employed).

Curious if anyone would be willing to share what if any changes in how they meet and relate to SB's in the covid world vs pre-2020? Also, whether vaccination has or would change that?

(I ask because I've been in "hibernation" for the better part of a year, but eventually the bear gets so hungry he has to come out of the cave. Thanks.).

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;5239065]Curious if anyone would be willing to share what if any changes in how they meet and relate to SB's in the covid world vs pre-2020? Also, whether vaccination has or would change that?

(I ask because I've been in "hibernation" for the better part of a year, but eventually the bear gets so hungry he has to come out of the cave. Thanks.).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I had an active membership right when it began, I pursued with a couple of POTs I had at that time. There was a lot of checking each other out and preamble to be sure that each was OK. I felt both were taking the max precautions, and even though I have a SO at home (it would be hell if I got it / passed it on), I was willing to risk it. One I got to the FC twice. Tall slender Romanian doctor, 27 YO, big bolt-ons, puss too tight for me, too much fake moaning, a little too transactional, so I quite responding to her texts. A paralegal working from home stood me up on the way to the FC.

I just got a paid membership for this month, I had a M&G with a 10/10/10 this morning. Tall aesthetic nurse assistant, big bolt-ons and enhanced lips. She turned down 2 K / mo, my absolute limit. I just can't afford a Rolls Royce.

I have many other POTs on the line. I am checking in with every single one about their virus status. It is good there are a lot of nurses on the site, that is getting many of them vaccinated. I have run into a few who both had COVID and have gotten vaccinated. A few others are essential workers so got vaccinated. Those who tell me just that they are limiting their contacts and wearing their masks, I put into lower priority. However, if the case rates in my area (California) continue to drop, that won't be so much of a worry.

I am lucky enough to have gotten both vaccination shots (Moderna) so I am pretty good to go, however, I believe it is still possible I could become infected and that I could transmit the virus. My SO isn't yet vaccinated, so there is a risk. If the POT has also had the vaccine, though, I will consider that a green light, and will happily take them to the FC with masks off, no other precautions needed.