"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

First let me thank all the wonderful members on this forum for the great advice. Dolato Thanks for the advice and I completely agree with you. I will not wine and dine this sugarbaby until I'm able to get her to the FC. I told her that there would be no allowance until I was also fully satisfied with our arrangement. I'll go out with her once maybe twice and I'm going to keep it to only chain restaurants and keeping it below $40 per date. I do realize that with this one she needs to go out and make sure that she feels comfortable with me, and I completely understand. I think I made it very clear that she won't get any money until I get the honey. So I wanted to go ahead and share an experience I had today.

I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1949205]First let me thank all the wonderful members on this forum for the great advice. Dolato Thanks for the advice and I completely agree with you. I will not wine and dine this sugarbaby until I'm able to get her to the FC. I told her that there would be no allowance until I was also fully satisfied with our arrangement. I'll go out with her once maybe twice and I'm going to keep it to only chain restaurants and keeping it below $40 per date. I do realize that with this one she needs to go out and make sure that she feels comfortable with me, and I completely understand. I think I made it very clear that she won't get any money until I get the honey. So I wanted to go ahead and share an experience I had today.

I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?[/QUOTE]My MILF is always broke.. If she wasnt such a great lay I wouldn't even listen to that stuff. But I been with her 2 years not 2 minutes.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1949205]
I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?[/QUOTE]I'm passing these losers up. I got one good looking 38-year old right off the bat tell me to give her a call. She would not answer a single question. Gave some lame excuse why she couldn't email. Yeah, like that makes sense. I don't know what her deal was, but I didn't want to waste a minute finding out.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1949205]
I got a reply to my email from a 37-year-old sugarbaby. I knew something was off when she gave me her phone number right away. However I was thinking with the little guy so I thought I would give her a call. Long story short while we were talking on the phone she must've brought up how low on cash she is about 10 times. I don't know about the rest of you but that is a huge turnoff for me. Don't get me wrong I completely understand that the only reason why they are On sites like SA is because they need money. But I don't want them constantly having to bring that up. So I wanted to take a quick poll how many of you have spoken to your sugar babies and how many of them constantly bring up how they are in a bad financial situation. If so does that turn you guys off?[/QUOTE]I don't think it was so bad to have called her. I probably would have as well. If she's so broke, did she take up your offer of $ or however much? I can understand it being a turnoff, but it might turn out to be a good trip to the fc still. I'm curious how the phone conversation ended.

If she hosts and will take $, I'd take her for a test run and see how it goes. If she's that in need of money, then she may be up for booty-call baby status (nothing regularly scheduled) and can be added to your roster for the time being.

She's either desperate and is using a sob story, or isn't so desperate but using the sob story. Either way you can hit it and quit it if it's no good after the first round.

These ladies tend to be Nando 1's more often than not. Any blathering about money other than the negotiated rate is a HUGE turnoff to me and grounds for dismissal.

I have had 4 "real " LT SBs. I call them ATF 1 through 4 . Each one is spectacular in their own way and not one of them has ever hit me up for more than our agreement.

ATF #4 is going on 4 months now weekly except for her recent travel out of town. She is grateful for the reasonable allowance I give her, and loves to fuck like no one I have had before, and is fine with my parole situation.

SB #2.

Is a borderline Nando 1 and hit me up the other day for a raise due to unexpected expenses. I told her no and didn't have any problem drawing the line. I used to feel sorry for them and would take on their problems as my own, but no more. She's really a bootie call baby at best, but her pussy is clean, cheap, and tight. I really find that I crave an emotional connection that a BC baby doesn't provide.

I reactivated my SA account, back after I gave up my SB...as she was not flexible. Will keep you posted on how it goes.

1-Dec Put 20 dollars "on the books" for a long ago x SB.

2-Dec 2nd date with an 18 year old AA stripper. 8/8/8/6 Spent 6 hours with her. Just kissed and cuddled. Had her top off. Spent $$ so far. Taking the risk on this one.

3-Dec Tried to hookup with my roommate at noon. She was at her BF's. Says he took the day off work and she can"t get out. Went out at night and had the best sex ever with my ATF MILF.

4-Dec My "Little Princess" came over at 11 am. Banged her to sleep at noon. Went for round 2 at midnite.

5-Dec More presents for my "Princess". I think I am done for this month. Hooked up after the shopping. Best sex of the visit. Dropped her off, picked up my roommate and had a late night session with her.

6-Dec Told the 18 year old AA stripper today that I wasn't interested. She just wasn't exactly what I was looking for. Took my roommate shopping for her Christmas presents this evening.

7-Dec Perfect Saturday. I worked till 5, then took my roommate out to our favorite steakhouse, came home and watched half a movie then finally hooked up. I was so wasted from that, I just fell asleep till 8 am Sunday.

8-Dec Went to see my ATF MILF. No surprises. Just got my lucky room at the local no-tell for some honeymoon sex.

9-Dec I happened to get hit up by a wannabe MILF on SD4M (35 white and tall, not so good looking) and she agreed to drive 150 miles RT to my house for a $. So I took her up on that and we had a fun hour of playtime after my lunch break. She was what some guys like to call a Reliable Provider. Or in High School we used to say "she has a good personality". She was a 6/7/9/9. I might repeat if she sticks to my rate.

5 girls. 8.5 hookups. Today I need a rest.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1951380] Today I need a rest.[/QUOTE]So on the tenth day, Hollywoodguy resteth.

If the MILF did 150 miles for $, then she's either really needing some $ or really needed the playtime.

Either way a good way to spend some time since all you need to do is open the door to let her in, and then again to let her out.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1951380]1-Dec Put 20 dollars "on the books" for a long ago x SB.

2-Dec 2nd date with an 18 year old AA stripper. 8/8/8/6 Spent 6 hours with her. Just kissed and cuddled. Had her top off. Spent $$ so far. Taking the risk on this one.

3-Dec Tried to hookup with my roommate at noon. She was at her BF's. Says he took the day off work and she can"t get out. Went out at night and had the best sex ever with my ATF MILF.

4-Dec My "Little Princess" came over at 11 am. Banged her to sleep at noon. Went for round 2 at midnite.

5-Dec More presents for my "Princess". I think I am done for this month. Hooked up after the shopping. Best sex of the visit. Dropped her off, picked up my roommate and had a late night session with her.

6-Dec Told the 18 year old AA stripper today that I wasn't interested. She just wasn't exactly what I was looking for. Took my roommate shopping for her Christmas presents this evening.

7-Dec Perfect Saturday. I worked till 5, then took my roommate out to our favorite steakhouse, came home and watched half a movie then finally hooked up. I was so wasted from that, I just fell asleep till 8 am Sunday.

8-Dec Went to see my ATF MILF. No surprises. Just got my lucky room at the local no-tell for some honeymoon sex.

9-Dec I happened to get hit up by a wannabe MILF on SD4M (35 white and tall, not so good looking) and she agreed to drive 150 miles RT to my house for a $. So I took her up on that and we had a fun hour of playtime after my lunch break. She was what some guys like to call a Reliable Provider. Or in High School we used to say "she has a good personality". She was a 6/7/9/9. I might repeat if she sticks to my rate.

5 girls. 8.5 hookups. Today I need a rest.[/QUOTE]Not that you weren't my hero before...but now you have moved into SuperHero status. I mean real Marvel (not DC) SuperHero status LOL!

BT.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1948189]The bowl will not be the same without you.

You are one of a kind. Not only willing to go out there and do it. Which is different than most of those cold and timid souls.

But you were always there to help. And I appreciate it.

The bowl is better with you in it.

Good luck.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Thanks Revvo, I appreciate it. It was a blast while it lasted!

BT.

[QUOTE=Dolato;1951755]So on the tenth day, Hollywoodguy resteth.

If the MILF did 150 miles for $, then she's either really needing some $ or really needed the playtime.

Either way a good way to spend some time since all you need to do is open the door to let her in, and then again to let her out.[/QUOTE]Basically she had the day off her real job. She had no other clients lined up for the day. So she figured some money, was better than no money (smart girl). Which is probably why she was driving a decent car and not under any real financial pressure (as there was no sob story). She did try to upsell me once she was here, but just in a very polite way, no pressure and it didn't detract from our session in any way. I just told her. A deal is a deal. Also I handed her the cash immediately upon her entering, to simmer down any potential drama. She did inform me that her regular rate was $$, but that I was very chill and seemed like a nice guy, so what the heck.

Like my mom used to always tell me when I was growing up, "50% of something is better than 100% of nothing". I guess she was brought up the same way.

Talking to a fellow monger there who needs some help. He says good girls can't be had for less than $ . Any rebuttal to that from personal experience? And what is the going rate out there for quality SBs?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1952823]Talking to a fellow monger there who needs some help. He says good girls can't be had for less than $ . Any rebuttal to that from personal experience? And what is the going rate out there for quality SBs?[/QUOTE]If you can't afford a $ start hitting up SW's. In L.A. Its 40 and up.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1952964]If you can't afford a $ start hitting up SW's. In L.A. Its 40 and up.[/QUOTE]Sorry, the posting came up wrong $300 to $ 500/ Pop is the correct answer.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1953397]Sorry, the posting came up wrong $300 to $ 500/ Pop is the correct answer.[/QUOTE]

Yesterday I spent 5 hours with my main SB, 3 times, 2 pops. She is planning a Christmas dinner she for me on the 23rd because I'm not going back east to see family during the holiday (she's worried about me). Our deal is 500/ month for twice a week. We always spend several hours together and usually go out to dinner. I don't always see her twice a week but that's due to my schedule not hers.

I have two girls that are booty call girls at $, but they both spend a few hours when they come over, too. So, while it took me a while to find them, they ARE out there.

I always pay $ a visit, especially on the first FC visit. I think there are some truly awesome girls at $$ but I have to pass. Here is some usable rebuttal copy. If you like to negotiate

"Instead of just jumping into an arrangement. Why dont I just take you to dinner at the restaurant of your choice and you can check me out. I may be willing to be more flexible on your terms if I got to know you first. And you might feel the same about mine. I stick to my $100 rule for a first date mostly because you never know who you are gonna meet (and its not always what you hope for). I understand the same rule applies to you. If you got twice as much but didnt like me at least you wouldnt feel cheated. So I get it. It's a 2 way street with risk on both sides."

But inevitably I reward my regulars all the time, so overall some months I may average $.5 a visit.

But some months are below or even way below a $. But 3 to 5 benjis a visit, no way.

Also I include all meals, gifts, party favors, dr. visits, regular salon appointments, etc into my numbers. The amount of actual cash I pay to my roomate or ATF Princess is about 0.

Overall on every girl combined maybe 20% of what I spend is in cold hard cash, the rest is normal dating expenses and gifts like you would spend on any girl.

Only a straight up sex only date with a booty cal girl or a first date would have a cash payment as there would be no other expense unless it was at a motel, something I only do maybe twice a month.

So overall my monthly expense for everything is about 2.5k for 2013. Down from 5k a month in 2012. This would have been my weekly expense pre-Obama in the wild west days. So been there done that, just not doing it anymore unless I get rich again. So I guess it is relative to your gross income. Mine has always been at about 20% of gross.

The good thing is that over time as my game has increased as my income has decreased, so the overall quality of my girls has continued to go up. I am not ragging on the newbies. It costs money to get an education and mine came later in life as I married very young and had little dating experience until my forties and no sugar experience until my fifties. At 60 (next month) I feel I am at the top of my game and look forward to many more years of medically assisted fun in the sun (so to speak). As I am on a regimen of diet, natural and lab created supplements to keep the ball rolling.

She is such a doll. Celebrating our one year anniversary this month.

My brothers,

I have been greatly entertained (Hollywood), saddened (Tigg), and encouraged (all the newbies) by what has been written in the journal these past few months. It seems as if the club has never been healthier, despite the loss of some of its most senior and knowledgeable members.

Nothing is constant but change, I guess.

With that in mind, I wanted to check in and check off a number of boxes on my list.

First of all, thank you to all who chimed in regarding the situation with my sweet little baby who was the target of malicious internet postings on a site that is dedicated to the public humiliation and degradation of unsuspecting people who may or may not have made poor life choices. So many biblical lessons come to mind, the foremost of which is the one about "he who is without sin should cast the first stone." Not to get all preachy, but it is the definition of hypocrisy for those who create these postings to delight in another's suffering. Enough. My friends who are trying to help, I really appreciate it. We shall see what happens.

Secondly, while I have, in truth, been on a short leash, it was not so short as to prevent me from seeing my re-united ATF for brunch last Friday, preceded by the most intense, athletic and ... what ?, crazed-to-get-me-inside-her fuck I have ever had. We didn't make it past the foyer in her apartment, and I'm not even sure the door was shut. She had just cut her hair short and dyed it red, so for those of you who keep track of my weaknesses, (and I hope that's none of you, otherwise that would be creepy), I was merely a plaything in her hands. So far, one car date, and one rug date, and no sugar beyond drinks and meals. Life is good on parole.

In Sad News, by ATF#2 may not be coming home for Christmas from her job in NYC, at least as she tells me. While we text several times a week, and it's all love and kisses, I fear she may be moving on, and I am steeling my resolve to do the same. While it will be hard, and I"m certain with a short blow on her whistle she would have me at her side in an instant, I fear that "onward" is the best course for me. I will never forget her perfect, perfect body.

In Yoga News, my hot teacher baby has not been spotted, at least by me, in the past month or so, and I am beginning to wonder if she is still teaching there. Of course I could inquire, but I fear that would tip my hand. I could also book a private lesson through her website, but again, that might alert NORAD that an unauthorized flight plan was being filed, thereby disrupting detente at HQ just before the holidays. I had enough of Christmas Hostilities growing up to knowingly inflict them upon myself. In an odd but extremely enticing turn of events, both my ATF and my Maligned Baby have expressed a strong desire to take bikram classes with me. Of course I told them both yes, since the thought of seeing them each covered in sweat, skimpy clothes clinging to them like paint, is something that I can't pass up. I don't know how many more years I have in the Bowl, and I need to lock in some memories for when I am drooling in a rocker on the front porch of the Old Folks Home. Hopefully Scottie will be paying attention as well, so he can back me up if memory should fail.

Lastly, I know I am the only one who finds these funny, but I really do, so here are the last for 2013 of the craziest contact names from whom I have received emails. Haters, keep it to yourselves.

Hpokiv Scokyvy - what?

Sa Diq - I'm assuming her last name is pronounced like "dick", in which case it could be a good thing for me, or not, depending on what "Sa" means.

Desiree Goggins - this name is so totally the emodiment of The Hot Librarian that I may just respond. Add that to the fact that her subject line was "Don't rape my mind, just fuck me", and I'm kind of over the moon LOL.

Sheba bitethee - Bite thee? No thanks! Bite thyself, I pray.

Okay Pmilysa - I like the "okay" part, but what exactly am I getting into with "pmilysa"? I usually need to be home by 5:30, so it better not involve ropes.

Finally, my brothers, I want to say how much I enjoy our little club, and while I realize I don't have much worth posting these days, I trust that my previous contributions permit me a spot at the table, and hope I will have exploits and wisdom to relate in the coming year.

Don't forget to write,

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;1953778]My brothers,

I have been greatly entertained (Hollywood), saddened (Tigg), and encouraged (all the newbies) by what has been written in the journal these past few months. It seems as if the club has never been healthier, despite the loss of some of its most senior and knowledgeable members.

Nothing is constant but change, I guess.

With that in mind, I wanted to check in and check off a number of boxes on my list.

First of all, thank you to all who chimed in regarding the situation with my sweet little baby who was the target of malicious internet postings on a site that is dedicated to the public humiliation and degradation of unsuspecting people who may or may not have made poor life choices. So many biblical lessons come to mind, the foremost of which is the one about "he who is without sin should cast the first stone." Not to get all preachy, but it is the definition of hypocrisy for those who create these postings to delight in another's suffering. Enough. My friends who are trying to help, I really appreciate it. We shall see what happens.

Secondly, while I have, in truth, been on a short leash, it was not so short as to prevent me from seeing my re-united ATF for brunch last Friday, preceded by the most intense, athletic and ... what ?, crazed-to-get-me-inside-her fuck I have ever had. We didn't make it past the foyer in her apartment, and I'm not even sure the door was shut. She had just cut her hair short and dyed it red, so for those of you who keep track of my weaknesses, (and I hope that's none of you, otherwise that would be creepy), I was merely a plaything in her hands. So far, one car date, and one rug date, and no sugar beyond drinks and meals. Life is good on parole.

In Sad News, by ATF#2 may not be coming home for Christmas from her job in NYC, at least as she tells me. While we text several times a week, and it's all love and kisses, I fear she may be moving on, and I am steeling my resolve to do the same. While it will be hard, and I"m certain with a short blow on her whistle she would have me at her side in an instant, I fear that "onward" is the best course for me. I will never forget her perfect, perfect body.

In Yoga News, my hot teacher baby has not been spotted, at least by me, in the past month or so, and I am beginning to wonder if she is still teaching there. Of course I could inquire, but I fear that would tip my hand. I could also book a private lesson through her website, but again, that might alert NORAD that an unauthorized flight plan was being filed, thereby disrupting detente at HQ just before the holidays. I had enough of Christmas Hostilities growing up to want to knowingly inflict them upon myself. In an odd but extremely enticing turn of events, both my ATF and my Maligned Baby have expressed a strong desire to take bikram classes with me. Of course I told them both yes, since the thought of seeing them covered in sweat, skimpy clothes clinging to them like paint, is just something that I can't pass up. I don't know how many more years I have in the Bowl, and I need to log in some memories for when I am drooling in a rocker on the front porch of the Old Folks Home. Hopefully Scottie will be paying attention as well. So he can back me up if memory should fail me.

Lastly, I know I am the only one who finds these funny, but I really do, so here are the last for 2013 of the craziest contact names from whom I have received emails from. Haters, keep it to yourselves.

Hpokiv Scokyvy. What?

Sa Diq. I'm assuming her last name is pronounced like "dick", in which case it could be a good thing for her, or not, depending on what "Sa" means.

Desiree Goggins. This is so totally the emodiment of the Hot Librarian, at least in name, that I may just respond. Add that to the fact that her subject line was "Don't rape my mind, just fuck me", and I'm kind of over the moon LOL.

Sheba bitethee. Bite thee? No thanks!

Okay Pmilysa. I like the "okay" part, but what exactly am I getting with "pmilysa"? I usually need to be home by 5:30, so it better not involve ropes.

Finally, my brothers, I want to say how much I enjoy our little club, and while I realize I don't have much worth posting these days, I trust that my previous contributions permit me a spot at the table, and hope I will have exploits and wisdom to relate in the coming year.

Don't forget to write.

Scott.[/QUOTE]Scott,

It's not that the names are funny in and of themselves. It's your comments about them that have me LMFAO.

Okay Pmilysa. I like the "okay" part, but what exactly am I getting with "pmilysa"? I usually need to be home by 5:30, so it better not involve ropes.

That one had me laughing so hard my office manager was staring at me!!

Keep it up. Here's one reader who's never bored by your observations.

ASL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1953754]She is such a doll. Celebrating our one year anniversary this month.[/QUOTE]Now that is something worth coming home to! You are a lucky dude, Hollywood. May the sun continue to shine for us all.

Scott.

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv;1953784]Scott,

It's not that the names are funny in and of themselves. It's your comments about them that have me LMFAO.

Okay Pmilysa. I like the "okay" part, but what exactly am I getting with "pmilysa"? I usually need to be home by 5:30, so it better not involve ropes.

That one had me laughing so hard my office manager was staring at me!!

Keep it up. Here's one reader who's never bored by your observations.

ASL.[/QUOTE]Thanks, ASL,

And as I have said before, they are all true. If I could only be so creative ...

Happy holidays to all.

Scott.

For the last month or so I have been getting back to the girls that turned me down to see if I can negotiate with them. I have some very strong arguments for my side. So far none of them has pulled through. With all 3 of my regular girls (and some past SB's as well) I basically hit it off with them right from the get go.

At this point I would have to say, that in my case anyway, it's either a home run or a strike out. Every girl I have struck out with, when I got another at bat, I struck out again. Just an observation.

So has anyone had any experience with some of the other sites? I am in the process of trying Craigslist and I posted my ad on Women For Men and it got flagged every time. I did not put anything in there that was offensive or dirty. I did not put the words sugar daddy or sugar baby or even the intials. But it still got flagged. First it would tell me the ad was posted and give me a link. And I could see it on the link put never see it if I went in normal. And then about an hour later it would get flagged. Anyone have this problem?

I am also looking into Ashley Madison, Social Sex, and Arrangement Finders. I will report back my experiences but anyone try any of these so far?

If so how did it go? Details?

Thanks,

Revvo.

Hollywood: You roommate is darling! Congrats for having such a satisfying relationship. It makes me miss my Asian ATF #3 I love Asians!

Scotty: you are a stitch and I always enjoy your musings! I'm glad you are getting laid some anyway. As one parolee to another life in the suspect booth is trying to say the least.

Bikram Yoga: Am doing it and it is hard as the dickens but I can see the benefits. My SO and I do it together so I have to be careful not to ogle the 20 yr old hotties with no clothes on. Sigh!! I do look intensely to study the poses.-academic interest only of course.

Other sites: Revvo, I have worked AM pretty hard and have had 0 success. A lot of hot milfs there unhappily married but I can't seem to get them to buy my line. CL got one Nando 1 off there who was a decent fuck for a 19 yr old but flaked when I tried to repeat. Fling I got one super sexual MILF from there but she was too chubby for my taste.

ATF #4 is back in town and we are back in the weekly saddle. She loves fucking and time with her is just a joy. BC baby is a weekly or biweekly hookup and she is young and tight. So I am squeaking in 1 to 1 1/2 visits / week.

Since you started talking about AM. I have been on the site for two years. In those two years I have had six hookups. Two out of town fucks, and four local girls. Found some freaky girls on AM. Don't give up on AM, just be consistent and patient. Lots of competition out there. I am working on a new AM girl met yesterday. Maybe I will be up to Seven soon.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1954456]

Bikram Yoga: Am doing it and it is hard as the dickens but I can see the benefits. My SO and I do it together so I have to be careful not to ogle the 20 yr old hotties with no clothes on. Sigh!! I do look intensely to study the poses.-academic interest only of course.

Other sites: Revvo, I have worked AM pretty hard and have had 0 success. A lot of hot milfs there unhappily married but I can't seem to get them to buy my line. CL got one Nando 1 off there who was a decent fuck for a 19 yr old but flaked when I tried to repeat. Fling I got one super sexual MILF from there but she was too chubby for my taste.

ATF #4 is back in town and we are back in the weekly saddle. She loves fucking and time with her is just a joy. BC baby is a weekly or biweekly hookup and she is young and tight. So I am squeaking in 1 to 1 1/2 visits / week.[/QUOTE]Hey Fred,

I'm glad you have discovered the wonder that is bikram. As you say, it is hard, but undeniably beneficial. Plus there are all those super-toned hotties. I applaud your willingness to study the babies in your class, purely to improve your own practice, of course! My Saturday class has a handful of 20 somethings, but mostly it is a group of the hottest MILFS I have ever seen. Taught, limber and sweaty. Hooray!

As for other sites, Rev, I tried AM a year or so ago, and got absolutely nowhere either. The only people to contact me wanted me to go to another site to "verify that I was for real", and of course be charged for the priveledge. I think Big Tigg may have had some luck with AM, but I think he could conjure something fuckable out of a bag of rocks, so that doesn't really count for the rest of us. My favorite is SA, followed by SD4 Me. I tried CL a while back, but again, no luck, only fakes and flakes, and a tranny who wanted to blindfold me and give me a BJ. Uh, no thanks.

Joy to you all.

Scott.

I wrote an extensive post about AM a few months ago. My findings were: unless you're under 50, preferably under 40 and pretty attractive it's a tough road. It really is the ladies game there. They're picky because a. They can be. And b. If they're going to risk their marriage they want it to be with the perfect fantasy. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I just didn't find it cost effective to keep spending money on credits to search for them. Add to that, if you read the fine print, they admit to using fake profiles for "entertainment" value, plus keep charging you a monthly maintenance fee until you call to cancel it.

Just my opinion.

Travelin.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1954428]So has anyone had any experience with some of the other sites? I am in the process of trying Craigslist and I posted my ad on Women For Men and it got flagged every time. I did not put anything in there that was offensive or dirty. I did not put the words sugar daddy or sugar baby or even the intials. But it still got flagged. First it would tell me the ad was posted and give me a link. And I could see it on the link put never see it if I went in normal. And then about an hour later it would get flagged. Anyone have this problem?

I am also looking into Ashley Madison, Social Sex, and Arrangement Finders. I will report back my experiences but anyone try any of these so far?

If so how did it go? Details?

Thanks,

Revvo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VirginiaGuy;1954502]Since you started talking about AM. I have been on the site for two years. In those two years I have had six hookups. Two out of town fucks, and four local girls. Found some freaky girls on AM. Don't give up on AM, just be consistent and patient. Lots of competition out there. I am working on a new AM girl met yesterday. Maybe I will be up to Seven soon.[/QUOTE]I have tried Ashley Madison and my luck has been the same as Fred's and Scott's. Terrible. Thanks for the input guys. And this is coming from two very experienced mongers. Feedback from Tigg was the same by the way. I am not going to tell you how many credits I spent but it was a lot and all I got to show for it was a lot of how should I put this politely. Stuck up 40 YO's with no photo and not personality. Now I am patient. I am willing to spend money. I am a Sugar Daddy that has spent plenty. Too much in fact. I have a good profile and I have some game.

What did I get for it? A few very tepid responses. Two SB's that wanted to hookup for money. Both were too far away. By the way the SB's told me that my profile was perfect, and too good to be true. And their comments were unsolicited. And then there was one actual hookup that really wanted to meet. But she had no personality either and when she did send a photo. Well lets just say I wouldn't fuck her with your dick. LOL A 4 at the most.

And I am not picky. I realize these are mostly married women and I accounted for the few extra pounds and years. But they act as if they are in the sweepstakes of a lifetime. Anyway I believe the ratio is way out of whack. Someone told me that its around 60% men to 40% women. If that is the case. Heaven help the man who has worked this system. Just for comparison the ratio on SD4 Me is around 90% women to 10% men.

Now Virginia Guy you say that you have had success. That is awesome. Give us details. Let us in on your secrets. Don't have to show the profile. But we are here to learn from each other. I have shared countless anecdotes and lessons over the past year. You could write a book on what I have contributed here. Please fill us in.

Be careful out there. And stay away from Ashley Madison unless you just want to spend money to get ignored.

Revvo.

I've also tried AF as well. Like SA and SB4 M, it depends on your area and which sites the ladies use. Here in Atlanta there's a fair number of ladies on it and I got a fair number of hits. Nothing lasting though.

Travelin.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1954428]So has anyone had any experience with some of the other sites? I am in the process of trying Craigslist and I posted my ad on Women For Men and it got flagged every time. I did not put anything in there that was offensive or dirty. I did not put the words sugar daddy or sugar baby or even the intials. But it still got flagged. First it would tell me the ad was posted and give me a link. And I could see it on the link put never see it if I went in normal. And then about an hour later it would get flagged. Anyone have this problem?

I am also looking into Ashley Madison, Social Sex, and Arrangement Finders. I will report back my experiences but anyone try any of these so far?

If so how did it go? Details?

Thanks,

Revvo.[/QUOTE]

I guess it's about time I post about my life in the bowl thus far. Here's the Reader's Digest version of my past: I started in the escort world for about 25 years, about 3 yrs ago one of my ATFs left escorting and turned into my SB. That was great for a year until my wife found out. Within a month both my wife and the SB were gone. I've been in the open bowl for about 2 yrs now using both SA and SD4M as my main sources. I found this forum about 6 months into my quest and it has been a wealth of knowledge. Like most that have been at this for any length of time I've run the gamut from wonderful, sweet ladies, to UTR ladies, to crazy bitches, to outright scam artists. I've learned a lot, but am still gullible at times to the "damsel in distress". I'm working on that last one and think I have it out of my system, LOL.

Here are a few of my "old ladies" they range in age from 26-30:

FriendBaby, 26 – This is by far my longest. We've been seeing each other for around 18 months. We're actually more friends than SD / SB, I guess you'd call it FWB. We text or talk a few times a week, but rarely hook up anymore. When we do we have a great time though. She really doesn't expect sugar anymore, but I usually give her some anyway. She's a single mom with 2 kids and going to college.

MSBaby, 29 – This is my strangest one. You really can't call her an SB even though we met off of SA. She's the resourceful one that used my email address to find my original posts on here (I stupidly used a derivative of my email as my name here, duh! Here's the thing. She's absolutely gorgeous! Her face is a 10 in anyone's book, with a 9 body. Smart as hell and one of the most sexual women I've ever met. Here's the problem, we only have sporadic periods of seeing each other, but text each other a few times a week. There's lots of baggage here. She's in an "open" marriage, with a kid, has a major eventually debilitating disease. MS and runs her own business. Add to that she's a total narcissist. But, I'm REALLY attracted to her somehow. Anyway, the price is right. Free. So I deal with all the rest for the occasional fireworks show.

HippyBaby, 30 – There must be something in the water in New Orleans. I know Scotty was smitten with an SB from there and the same thing happened to me back in Feb. I was there on business and put out some requests and she responded. We met and there was immediate chemistry. She's a native of NO so knew some great hole-in-the-wall restaurants. We saw each other two times during my trip ending up back in my room for an evening of fun both times. I've gone back to NO to see her, she's been to ATL to see me and we've met once in Portland, OR and in San Diego on recent business trips. She spends half the year in Northern CA helping with the "harvest". She is a total van driving, sometimes van living, free-spirit hippie type. She's definitely a departure from my conservative nature, which is probably why I enjoy her so much. She occasionally asks for help with her cell or storage bill, but aside from that is happy with whatever sugar I give her.

These 3 really cost me very little, so last summer I began the search for my unicorn. A mature, hot 18-21 year old, that I could turn into a long-term baby. I'll report my success in that arena in a future post.

Happy Hunting,

Travelin.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1954428]So has anyone had any experience with some of the other sites? I am in the process of trying Craigslist and I posted my ad on Women For Men and it got flagged every time. I did not put anything in there that was offensive or dirty. I did not put the words sugar daddy or sugar baby or even the intials. But it still got flagged. First it would tell me the ad was posted and give me a link. And I could see it on the link put never see it if I went in normal. And then about an hour later it would get flagged. Anyone have this problem?

I am also looking into Ashley Madison, Social Sex, and Arrangement Finders. I will report back my experiences but anyone try any of these so far?

If so how did it go? Details?

Thanks,

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I have been hitting CL hard. I do get some responses from legitimate non pros, pros and UTR's. But most of them have not been cute enough to follow through on, or they were too expensive. I missed out on a couple winners (true non pros) cuz I was too busy with other girls. So I am continuing to work it for now. Tons of spam replies, but they don't bother me, I just delete them.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1954741]I have been hitting CL hard. I do get some responses from legitimate non pros, pros and UTR's. But most of them have not been cute enough to follow through on, or they were too expensive. I missed out on a couple winners (true non pros) cuz I was too busy with other girls. So I am continuing to work it for now. Tons of spam replies, but they don't bother me, I just delete them.[/QUOTE]I went through a couple of weeks farming CL pretty heavily. Met with 2 women that were definitely UTR girls, neither as attractive as the pics they sent. One was pretty good in bed, but they were both one time deals, I think. Right when I was ready to quit I came across a 18 year old that actually sounds like she could be SB material, and the pics are of a cute spinner. She told me she had dumper a SD because he got crazy and cheap-they had some kind of submissive thing going on that apparently went too far for her. I am still texting with her trying to set up a M&G, we'll see what happens. Other than that I'm back to SA.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1954709]

HippyBaby, 30 – There must be something in the water in New Orleans. I know Scotty was smitten with an SB from there and the same thing happened to me back in Feb. I was there on business and put out some requests and she responded. We met and there was immediate chemistry. She's a native of NO so knew some great hole-in-the-wall restaurants. We saw each other two times during my trip ending up back in my room for an evening of fun both times. I've gone back to NO to see her, she's been to ATL to see me and we've met once in Portland, OR and in San Diego on recent business trips. She spends half the year in Northern CA helping with the "harvest". She is a total van driving, sometimes van living, free-spirit hippie type. She's definitely a departure from my conservative nature, which is probably why I enjoy her so much. She occasionally asks for help with her cell or storage bill, but aside from that is happy with whatever sugar I give her.

Happy Hunting,

Travelin.[/QUOTE]Ah, Travelin, my brother, I hear you.

There is something about Nola that, when it hits you, it hits hard. In thinking about it since I met my baby down there, I think it is the underlying but all-pervasive sense of hedonism that spreads across the entire city. Down there, life is not just meant to be lived, but to be enjoyed to its fullest, every minute of every day.

Your baby sounds fantastic, and is exactly my fantasy type, which would surprise you if you would ever see what I look like. Picture a nerdy, 56 yo Ferris Beuhler, but with half his game at best, and you are close. But I just love those crazy, artsy, hippy babies, and thankfully they seem to love me back. I wonder if yours is someone I might have contacted on my first trip down there. Once I met My Infatuation, I passed on all others, so don't worry about me poaching your claim LOL!

Should we ever find outselves in the Crescent City at the same time, too many beers are an absolute must!

Scott.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1954750]I went through a couple of weeks farming CL pretty heavily. Met with 2 women that were definitely UTR girls, neither as attractive as the pics they sent. One was pretty good in bed, but they were both one time deals, I think. Right when I was ready to quit I came across a 18 year old that actually sounds like she could be SB material, and the pics are of a cute spinner. She told me she had dumper a SD because he got crazy and cheap-they had some kind of submissive thing going on that apparently went too far for her. I am still texting with her trying to set up a M&G, we'll see what happens. Other than that I'm back to SA.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with the overall CL feedback I have read so far. I do occasionally post an add there just to see what I can find. I always seem to get a few legit responses, but the overall lower quality and higher risks haven't been worth the effort. About a year ago I was seeing an AA MILF for a month or so that responded to one of my adds. She was OK, price was right, but drama was pretty high. Finally ended it when she told me her lights were cut off and got mad when I wouldn't foot the bill to pay her bill. Recently had another hit from an add that I had given up on a month earlier. She is a 30 something WF, a couple of kids, needed help with expenses. I met her once and it was just OK. She turned out to be a 5-6 in looks and rushed me through a visit way too fast for my tastes.

I just have never found that diamond in the rough on that site that we all seem to be looking for. By far, SA has been the best overall source for me.

Alias.

10-Dec Did a M & G with a 25 year old pretty AA girl. Maybe a 8/8.5/9/?. She was 5'5' and 120 lbs. Took her to dinner. Going to see her Friday for a real date at my place. X reality TV show participant. Has a good job and goes to school. Owns a decent car and lives only minutes away. Good personality. She thought it was sexy that I have a few regulars. It got her to thinking there must be a reason. I think we hit it off pretty good.

11-Dec Had a minor groin pull from the prior weeks activities. No sex yesterday or today. Skipping going to the strip club private Christmas party tonite to help speed up recovery. Also my girlfriend is worried that the other strippers will try to go to town on me (even sans tipping) to ruin my boyfriend reputation so they can all gossip about it later. As boyfriends are not even allowed in the club (management rules) it is kind of a big deal just to officially be on the guest list, as it is a once a year invitation only party for the regulars. So I can kill 2 birds with one stone (and save a bundle, because I would still have to pay for the dances) by just staying home. The girl I did the M & G with yesterday emailed me today to tell me she changed her mind about seeing me again. She said my kissing addiction was a deal breaker as she does not like kissing. Had another POT tell me today we needed to set a date even though she flaked on the first one. I'll give her another chance because she is 20, a student, and works 2 jobs and has that exotic baby doll look I can't resist. More on her after the date.

12-Dec Day 3 of my recovery. Hope it all goes well as I have a roommate date at 9 pm. And set up a M & G for Friday with the afore mentioned girl that flaked, that may or may not go to the FC. But if the chemistry is there she says she is willing. She gets a twenty to show up as it is an 80 mile RT drive for her to see me and $ if we proceed south of the border. She is a 20 year old 8/8/9/? so far. Mixed exotic looking black / mexican? As a side note, I have been off my daily low dose of vitamin C for 3 days and I still can't seem to stop getting spontaneous erections. A quality problem for sure. Roommate date went as per usual. Sweet and Sexy.

13-Dec Met with the exotic 20 year old student at my home at 4:30. She turned out to be a 9/7/9/9. She was 5'5' and about 150 lbs but with the face of an angel. She was much prettier than her pics and thick in all the right places (as they like to say). Black / mexican / pinay mix with naturally soft hair and beautiful soft skin with a nice even tone. We wasted about 5 minutes before getting right to the kissing and cuddling on the sofa. This led to some pretty hot fucking and sucking. Two hours later we took a break so I could pick up my roommate from the nail salon where I had dropped her off minutes before the other girls arrival. So I drove with the date to the salon, picked up my roommate, came back to the house and hit it for another 45 minutes. She loved to suck and would have gone on for another hour if I let her. Exhausted I went to bed at 9 pm and woke up at 8 Saturday morning. I guess she was a deep undercover UTR girl as her skills, calm demeanor and willingness to comply were all just TGTBT. She is definitely an awesome booty call girl worth repeating. Total damage was $. The double pierced tongue (pictured) was a new one for me.

14-Dec Taking my roommate to the hair salon at 1. No other plans for today other than to work. Lots of activity on the SD site. Must be the holidays. Girls needing money for gifts. I always use my downtime to catch up on my prospects.

15-Dec I see I have 8 hot UTR girls (all 19 to 22) on my spreadsheet that have all agreed to my $ offer that I never even followed up on, as I am trying to avoid the obvious pros. The non pro search continues. Looking forward to my roommate date tonight. I only have a couple interesting POTS at this time. Lets see if any of them pull through.

[QUOTE=FScott;1953778]My brothers,

In Yoga News, my hot teacher baby has not been spotted, at least by me, in the past month or so, and I am beginning to wonder if she is still teaching there. Of course I could inquire, but I fear that would tip my hand. I could also book a private lesson through her website, but again, that might alert NORAD that an unauthorized flight plan was being filed, thereby disrupting detente at HQ just before the holidays. I had enough of Christmas Hostilities growing up to knowingly inflict them upon myself. In an odd but extremely enticing turn of events, both my ATF and my Maligned Baby have expressed a strong desire to take bikram classes with me. Of course I told them both yes, since the thought of seeing them each covered in sweat, skimpy clothes clinging to them like paint, is something that I can't pass up. I don't know how many more years I have in the Bowl, and I need to lock in some memories for when I am drooling in a rocker on the front porch of the Old Folks Home. Hopefully Scottie will be paying attention as well, so he can back me up if memory should fail.

...

Scott.[/QUOTE]It's a bit forward, but why don't you drop her an email at her site and ask if she's going to be teaching at your studio again? If she says, no then you can schedule a private without the NORAD alert. If she says yes, then you can see about a coffee after the class.

No risk. No reward. From your posts, she seems worth giving it a shot.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1954687]

Now Virginia Guy you say that you have had success. That is awesome. Give us details. Let us in on your secrets. Don't have to show the profile. But we are here to learn from each other. I have shared countless anecdotes and lessons over the past year. You could write a book on what I have contributed here. Please fill us in.

Be careful out there. And stay away from Ashley Madison unless you just want to spend money to get ignored.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I've posted a few things about AM in the past. I've had pretty good luck over the years (hard to count but more than a handful), but it is becoming more difficult with my increasing years.

I recently surveyed the AM women I've met (and I'm still in contact with) about their experience on AM, and why me. The results are interesting. Honestly, it seems luck and timing are pretty much the biggest factors. Catch them early and at the right time. Hollywood emphasizes this on the SD sites. There were two other interesting common comments. The first is I don't have any X rated or even PG pics in my profile. They're all g-rated. All of the women said they didn't want to see shirtless, or X rated pics to start. The second comment was that I could speak to them about a variety of subjects besides sex. Several complained that guys would just push to meet or talk about sex.

The long and short of it is act civil and relaxed. Don't be that desperate guy women want to avoid.

Also, I've met at least two women from AM that originally rejected me. I simply replied to them thanking them for their time, and wished them luck in their search. Both replied back that guys usually send them nasty notes after rejection, and since I was nice they were would like to get to know me.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1956835]I've posted a few things about AM in the past. I've had pretty good luck over the years (hard to count but more than a handful), but it is becoming more difficult with my increasing years.

I recently surveyed the AM women I've met (and I'm still in contact with) about their experience on AM, and why me. The results are interesting. Honestly, it seems luck and timing are pretty much the biggest factors. Catch them early and at the right time. Hollywood emphasizes this on the SD sites. There were two other interesting common comments. The first is I don't have any X rated or even PG pics in my profile. They're all g-rated. All of the women said they didn't want to see shirtless, or X rated pics to start. The second comment was that I could speak to them about a variety of subjects besides sex. Several complained that guys would just push to meet or talk about sex.

The long and short of it is act civil and relaxed. Don't be that desperate guy women want to avoid.

Also, I've met at least two women from AM that originally rejected me. I simply replied to them thanking them for their time, and wished them luck in their search. Both replied back that guys usually send them nasty notes after rejection, and since I was nice they were would like to get to know me.[/QUOTE]I only show G rated pics. And always emphasize that there will be no intercourse or oral on a first date (knowing there will be on over half of them anyway). It just keeps you from looking like all the other desperate guys out there.

Although I do also emphasize that I need kissing with a HE if they wanna get paid. Otherwise its a civi date to say hi. Their choice. 50% take the FS, 25% take the HE, 25% take the civi date. These are round numbers.

All my current regulars opted for the FS on the first date.

Reporting here on two M&G in the past week. Both POTs early 30's from SA. Both had nice personalities but not appealing to me for one reason or another. One was quite chunky, much more than I like, and other a combination of bad teeth, smoker, and lousy schedule that would never match with mine. I gave her a little Christmas cash for her kids since I knew she was hard-up. Sorry to say that I am very picky about who I would want to take to the FC. I still have on tap an older gal who was looking for "substantial" support but backed down to "occasional / negotiable" since that would be all I could do since there is distance involved. Hope to M&G in a few days there.

I am no longer deterred by POT saying they want a big $$ arrangement. Those sorts of SD are few and far between, so there's hope for us 50's guys with some loose change in our pockets. Still keeping up with my regular SB who is a sweetie and we have been keeping that going for several months. Not ready to give her up, but one thing I am finding is that some of these things are easy to get into and much harder to get out of. I try not to be and SOB if time comes to go separate ways but it's difficult. I also am getting more good leads off my SA profile and think times are still hard for many, and a good SD is nice thing for these girls to have... Girls like to shop. The eternal truth!

Krusty.

Guys thanks for the info on AM and CL and some of the other lesser sites. So here is what I have found for me.

My goal is to try to find something that is a little less expensive than what I currently have with the SD sites. The idea or the question is. Is there really a way to hookup without the expectation of having to pay. And what is the way to that? Is it really possible and if so how would it be done? So far the results are mixed. And there will be more to come. Besides I have had three babies in the past that were no pay babies from SDforme. One was fat and a good fuck, so I bailed after one time, one was too fat and I could not make myself fuck her if she was the last woman on earth. And the third was my Brazilian baby and she was awesome. Lasted about four months and holds the worlds record for the bust blowjob I have ever had. Maybe I could find another?

1. AM is a tough tough site compared to the other ones. Most of the women do not have pics with their profiles and do not send them when requested. In fact they do not respond at all most of the time. Like the other more experienced brothers on here have said. They are probably looking for mister perfect before they even bother cheating. And I am talking they are not the least bit polite about it. And the descriptions do not look good either. Even if they are pretty. Most are 40 ish and average around 5'4" and weigh around 150 lbs. And that is by their admission. So that means that they probably weigh more. Now I am 5'9" and weigh 175 and I am not a small guy. But they are creeping up on me on my size. Not really good prospects. I will not renew this but I will try some of the other techniques some of the brothers recommended.

2. About the time that I started this strange quest. I got a flood of interest off of the last days of my SDFORme profile. Unsolicited. I got 12 contacts. Two I would not even respond two since they looked too GPS or professional. I responded to 10, got in actual conversation with 7. Set up M&G with 5. And met 3 with two that I backed out of because too busy. And another that just popped up yesterday and will meet tonight. Of the 3 I met, two literally backed out at the M&G both had agreed to the FC on the first date but one did not like the 150 and stuck me with the hotel. She was not that great but was demanding 300 she was about a 7/7/6/? . The other agreed to the FC and then after I booked the hotel. We were sitting at a Chilies bar. She went to the bathroom and then snuck out the back door. This was a first. This is amazing since she was very receptive all of the time. There had never been one indication of negative feelings. She said many very nice things about me. Had been on the site off and on for three years. Who knows what happened? LOL.

And I fucked one today at her house. She is 49 YO the oldest woman I ever fucked. Not bad looking but not great. Hell she is 49. LOL Good fuck really cool a lot of fun. But talks way too much and said she was not interested in money. But when I did not leave any sugar she text-ed me later she was very interested in the sugar all of a sudden. She is broke. I give her a 5/5/8/8 . But she is not what I was looking for. Not going to pay her. I can pay younger much prettier women.

3. Tried Arrangement finders and found a some flakes and one that agreed to meet tonight and is not looking for anything but a respectable man to date in her busy schedule and not really after the money. So we are going to meet in about an hour. Lets see what happens shall we.

4. CL. No luck here. Worked on a good ad. But every time I posted it on Relationships women seeking men, it would say it posted and I could never find it. And then about an hour later it would get flagged. I never mentioned SD or SB or pay for play. Maybe the wrong section? I don't know. Any ideas guys? I started getting the flood of POTs and so I gave up.

5. Also I am trying Social Sex. You know the one with the logo of the two little birds fucking. Figured no one is on this site for regular dating and it is really big. If half the people on here are real then there are a lot of horny women out there looking for some dick and are not asking for money. Supposedly they have 16 million members worldwide! I got a few emails asking for pics. And one from a really hot. 29 YO doctor asking to meet? I don't know but she seems real. Anyone have much experience with this site? Or am I the pioneer? If you have any G2 PM so I can figure it out. The doctor seems to be nibbling and has sent me a request to meet. But she is not giving details yet. I am too busy to go on a date right now anyway. But I can tell you she is close to a 10, and if she is real, oh la la it could be the strike of a lifetime. Not holding my breath here.

6. Finally on the old school SD front. I met a really really really hot 24 YO white baby. She is absolutely gorgeous. Kind of like an Italian looking Penelope Cruz. Tall thin big fake boobs. In college and close to graduating. I give her a 10/9/9/8. Really really cool, fun sexy, sensual, and has told me personally that she wants to learn to give the best blow-jobs ever. Well since I have had the best I know a thing or two about what is a good blowjob. So we meet and she is ready for the FC on the first date. We get a bottle of wine and retire to the hotel. She is very free and easy with her nudity but not her body at first. In no time i am taking photos with my phone and she is posing and giddy with excitement. she even gives me her phone to take more nude shots. We spent quite a bit of time just talking playing and kissing, she is a great kisser and until we got down to it and she love my dick. She had a previous wealthy SD who by her description was insane. Stalker kind of guy. I have heard about this quite a bit from the hot SB's. So she seemed to be genuinely surprised to be with someone who was kind of normal. I cannot tell you how many good things she said about me and how much she appeared to really be into me and turned on by me. We fucked hard and she has a good start on the good blowjob technique. She wanted to see me again soon and she was in a parade the next day for winning a pageant. Nice bonafides. So she could not see me for a couple of days. And after we left she was super pleased and surprised that I gave her 200. In fact she tackled me and pushed me down on the bed for one final make out session before leaving. Now let me tell you guys a lot of these girls ask for a lot of money and are completely not worth it. This chick is. This is quality. Oh and she is the one telling me that she wants to spend quality time with me and not rush it. I think I am in heaven.

Then after she leaves we text a little bit and she goes dark the next day? I tried for several days to get back with her and just could not. Finally I gave up and sadly wrote her off. Then today all of a sudden she pops back up and tells me she had major phone problems. And wants to see me. Well maybe she did maybe she didn't. But hey who am I to deprive her of my cock and a few dollars. Remember my theory on "hot chicks"? She is very very hot. But not really an official blood sucking soul crushing succubus that is the "hot chick". So onward we go. I will see her tomorrow and postpone on a flakey POT.

There have been some massive stumbles along the way. But my fingers are getting tired from typing and playing with pussy today. LOL And I have to get ready for my date.

I will keep writing and hopefully some of you brothers will also.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo.