[QUOTE=EsGarcea;5041951]Is this the UTR Lily that Timemaker referenced? Is there a pic or link to her anywhere?[/QUOTE]She is on seeking arrangements just look for lily.
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[QUOTE=EsGarcea;5041951]Is this the UTR Lily that Timemaker referenced? Is there a pic or link to her anywhere?[/QUOTE]She is on seeking arrangements just look for lily.
[QUOTE=JonH4;5041437]Manfree points to a problem: "A major decline. In looks and hotness". Perhaps true for many of us, but even more disturbing, what about when an average looking girl sees no problem to asks for "$250 hhr but No CIM, No CIP, No BB, No Greek, No. I am looking for regulars. ".[/QUOTE]I totally agree. If I'm paying over 250-300, it better include GFE. Idk why these girls think that snatch between their legs is gold. Me personally, I just don't want to go through the bs in getting like. Like, wine and dinning them, texting good morning / afternoon / night, and listening to their stupid problems, all just to be left on read at the end of the month, with nothing to show for it but blue balls and a lower bank account. Anyways, sorry for the rant, but makes me sick.
[QUOTE=JonH4;5041437]Manfree points to a problem: "A major decline. In looks and hotness". Perhaps true for many of us, but even more disturbing, what about when an average looking girl sees no problem to asks for "$250 hhr but No CIM, No CIP, No BB, No Greek, No. I am looking for regulars. ".[/QUOTE]The problem is not only with these delusional "do nothing" GPS queens who charge maximum rates for shitty service since that is really nothing new, the bigger issue IMHO are the guys who see those types of ads you describe and are still clueless enough to go in the first place and feed these girls ego's. Women who post ads like that are not looking for clients, they are looking for desperate inexperienced suckers who do not know any better-she is practically telling you she is going to treat you like a Leper in her ad, so where is the allure?
After several decades in this hobby (and yes I did many "dumbass" things in the beginning too) if a provider is not at least offering BBJ as part of standard FS at this point (and that is assuming she is attractive and does not look like she belongs at an airport sniffing luggage) I am not paying any more than $150 hhr, period and I do not give a fuck how hot she looks.
Be careful out there.
[QUOTE=DVelvet69;5042635]The problem is not only with these delusional "do nothing" GPS queens who charge maximum rates for shitty service since that is really nothing new, the bigger issue IMHO are the guys who see those types of ads you describe and are still clueless enough to go in the first place and feed these girls ego's. Women who post ads like that are not looking for clients, they are looking for desperate inexperienced suckers who do not know any better-she is practically telling you she is going to treat you like a Leper in her ad, so where is the allure?
After several decades in this hobby (and yes I did many "dumbass" things in the beginning too) if a provider is not at least offering BBJ as part of standard FS at this point (and that is assuming she is attractive and does not look like she belongs at an airport sniffing luggage) I am not paying any more than $150 hhr, period and I do not give a fuck how hot she looks.
Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]I wonder how much of this has to do with ladies getting into the profession after starting out UTR on SA or dancing where they actually are getting that much. I've noticed a new crop of ladies with zero reviews asking for 170-200 for hhr and people on this forum pointing out that they started on SA. The thing I am wondering is if these ladies ever actually lower their prices or will they just eventually quit because they never figure out why they are not getting appointments. A lot of the new crop at Ana's are asking insane amounts and are not getting very many visitors. Since most of them share the same airbnb they are all telling each other that $500 - $600 for an hour of shitty FS is completely reasonable.
[QUOTE=DScott;5038875]Yes, she and her ghosting have been discussed on here a few times. She ghosted on me once, but since she was close I tried again with a different number a month or so later. Decent visit, she is short and bigger than her pics of course. Nuru and BBBJ cim. I texted again in a few weeks, she was nice, we set up a time, and then she ghosted again and blocked me. I reported it on listcrawler and she got my report deleted and got me kicked off the site. So. If you don't mind playing her games you might actually get to see her. Not worth the hassle for me, she's a whack job.[/QUOTE]I've been ghosted by her twice. Once, I got all the way to her apartment parking lot and contacted her to say I was here. Crickets. Then recently, when I texted her, she texted right back (surprise!) and said, yes, I'm available. She gave me her prices, we set the time and later when I texted to confirm. NOTHING.
Anyone have any details?
[URL]https://st-louis.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/my-time-is-valuable-and-limite/957532800013[/URL]
Well, I was an idiot. Had to try her out myself. After pic screening. She said she could do FS. Went for hh and dropped 160 to dine in and a shitty HJ. Did manage to get the head in I think 3 times. Finally got irritated and gave that up. I will just stay home next time. Save money, look at her pics and give myself a better hand job. Hell the AMP HJ's arebetter and cheaper. Even get a massage there.
[QUOTE=EsGarcea;5043123]Anyone have any details?
[URL]https://st-louis.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/my-time-is-valuable-and-limite/957532800013[/URL][/QUOTE]I actually texted her when she first posted asking for an outcall. Got some weird dramatic text back and just ended there. I alway go with my gut and decided not to pursue. My advice, save your money for someone verified.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist1234;5042287]She just put that in her ad recently because someone in the comments said she didn't suck dick.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification my fault.
[QUOTE=EsGarcea;4992836]Does any one have any info on this one?
[URL]http://st-louis.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/pretty-tight-and-horny-incall/447545081540[/URL][/QUOTE]Pics are accurate, service was absolutely horrible. Knew I was in trouble when the entire event was staged so she could still watch TV. Zero personal skills, practically zero effort. She wasn't even worth arguing with about it. After a bit I just said, this ain't going to work, got dressed and left. TOFTT and paid a heavy price. Total time inside her trailer, less than 10 min. Worst one I've experienced in quite a while.
[QUOTE=HeadHunter42;5043137]Well, I was an idiot. Had to try her out myself. After pic screening. She said she could do FS. Went for hh and dropped 160 to dine in and a shitty HJ. Did manage to get the head in I think 3 times. Finally got irritated and gave that up. I will just stay home next time. Save money, look at her pics and give myself a better hand job. Hell the AMP HJ's arebetter and cheaper. Even get a massage there.[/QUOTE]That's why we've warned everyone on here about Bree. The ONLY thing that girl has going for her is her appearance (very cute and petite) beyond that her service (or lack thereof) is simply dreadful-you really are better off just watching Pornhub and jerking yourself off, LOL.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist1234;5042290]She is on seeking arrangements just look for lily.[/QUOTE]So SA is seeking arrangements? Thanks.
Contacted this girl and asked her to send a pic for verification. She sent me a pic from shoulder down. Tits are youthful. Kitty is shaved. I didn't ask for a pic of her face though. She asked 160 for hhr to an out-call place. She doesn't do in-call. Does anyone have any experience with her?
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/cara-your-dream-come-true-669-261-6951/34306771[/URL]
[QUOTE=DVelvet69;5043349]That's why we've warned everyone on here about Bree. The ONLY thing that girl has going for her is her appearance (very cute and petite) beyond that her service (or lack thereof) is simply dreadful-you really are better off just watching Pornhub and jerking yourself off, LOL.[/QUOTE]How come many bros still fall into her nice body trap?
Never any reviews.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/55452443/[/URL]
[QUOTE=King50;5043684]Contacted this girl and asked her to send a pic for verification. She sent me a pic from shoulder down. Tits are youthful. Kitty is shaved. I didn't ask for a pic of her face though. She asked 160 for hhr to an out-call place. She doesn't do in-call. Does anyone have any experience with her?
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/cara-your-dream-come-true-669-261-6951/34306771[/URL][/QUOTE]I've seen her around as well. From what I can discern, this is an escort service here in STL. So what's knocking on your door won't be the girl in the pics. Might be a sexy youth or a fat ***** with a smoker voice.
[QUOTE=King50;5043685]How come many bros still fall into her nice body trap?[/QUOTE]My instincts tells me that girl prolly sees quite a few guys daily. So no matter how many reviews we post, there's going to be some suckers drawn in from her looks.
[QUOTE=EsGarcea;5043123]Anyone have any details?
[URL]https://st-louis.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/my-time-is-valuable-and-limite/957532800013[/URL][/QUOTE]Contact her last night, too many red flags. Wall of nonsense texts, refuse to send selfie, and The tone of the messages sound like a man. Be careful with one, guys.
[QUOTE=Qrout;5042666]I wonder how much of this has to do with ladies getting into the profession after starting out UTR on SA or dancing where they actually are getting that much. I've noticed a new crop of ladies with zero reviews asking for 170-200 for hhr and people on this forum pointing out that they started on SA. The thing I am wondering is if these ladies ever actually lower their prices or will they just eventually quit because they never figure out why they are not getting appointments. A lot of the new crop at Ana's are asking insane amounts and are not getting very many visitors. Since most of them share the same airbnb they are all telling each other that $500 - $600 for an hour of shitty FS is completely reasonable.[/QUOTE]This is so true they are crazy high don't know if there are guys actual paying that or do they eventually lower the price just glad this forum is here so we can share info.
[QUOTE=Manfree888;5043947]My instincts tells me that girl prolly sees quite a few guys daily. So no matter how many reviews we post, there's going to be some suckers drawn in from her looks.[/QUOTE]I'd honestly probably be one of the ones that fell for it, but I guess thankfully shrek's wife cock blocked me every time. And I refuse to send their pic verification they started.
[QUOTE=Manfree888;5043947]My instincts tells me that girl prolly sees quite a few guys daily. So no matter how many reviews we post, there's going to be some suckers drawn in from her looks.[/QUOTE]I figure that for every guy who posts on here about how awful Bree's performance is there are probably another 2-3 who have had the same bad experience-but simply don't bother reporting on it anywhere-or they are just so desperate, inexperienced and smitten by her appearance they are totally oblivious to just how lame her service actually is.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/55472028/[/URL]
I've seen this girls ads a few times and I'm definitely interested, but I was wondering if anyone had any personal experience with her?
[QUOTE=DVelvet69;5044376]I figure that for every guy who posts on here about how awful Bree's performance is there are probably another 2-3 who have had the same bad experience-but simply don't bother reporting on it anywhere-or they are just so desperate, inexperienced and smitten by her appearance they are totally oblivious to just how lame her service actually is.[/QUOTE]Will admit it was her looks. And have had a guy tell me she was a good time. Her phone went off 3 times in my 30 min. Figured what the hell I would give it a try. After pic sent, me telling her about reviews. She told me she could do FS for me. But that was a no go for sure when it came time. She is pretty damn good at getting in right position to prevent penetration. I gave it my best try in several pisition. But was not happening. She kept asking to peg me. I had to say hell no.
1 I'm not into that.
2 if I can't get in you your damn sure not me.
[QUOTE=HeadHunter42;5044626]Will admit it was her looks. And have had a guy tell me she was a good time. Her phone went off 3 times in my 30 min. Figured what the hell I would give it a try. After pic sent, me telling her about reviews. She told me she could do FS for me. But that was a no go for sure when it came time. She is pretty damn good at getting in right position to prevent penetration. I gave it my best try in several pisition. But was not happening. She kept asking to peg me. I had to say hell no.
1 I'm not into that.
2 if I can't get in you your damn sure not me.[/QUOTE]Based off this review, her ad and what I've read in this thread about her, I can only conclude the guys that she's seeing are getting pegged. That has to be the reason she's still in business. It's obvious that she doesn't want to get penetrated. From what I gather from HeadHunter's review, her plan is to get you there, make you fail at penetration, you figure she's so hot that you will let her peg you. There you go, no judgement.
[QUOTE=HeadHunter42;5044626]Will admit it was her looks. And have had a guy tell me she was a good time. Her phone went off 3 times in my 30 min. Figured what the hell I would give it a try. After pic sent, me telling her about reviews. She told me she could do FS for me. But that was a no go for sure when it came time. She is pretty damn good at getting in right position to prevent penetration. I gave it my best try in several pisition. But was not happening. She kept asking to peg me. I had to say hell no.
1 I'm not into that.
2 if I can't get in you your damn sure not me.[/QUOTE]It was her looks that lured all of us my friend, LOL, however when I saw Bree a few months back, horrible BBJ and shitty “no penetration” service aside, there was no talk about this pegging BS so that's actually something new with her.
The fact that she kept blocking you from actually penetrating her (you along with everyone else) but kept trying to get you to let her do that shit to you instead of her trying to make "you" happy is pretty telling of her arrogant "it's all about me" mindset toward her clients now and it's sounds like she is now more interested in ass fucking guys for her own twisted enjoyment than her getting fucked by guys. That also leads me to believe the whole "size" issue she always seems to have with everyone has always been more of an act than anything and just an excuse to get out of providing actual FS with anyone.
P.S.: I guess you could have flipped the script on her ass and asked her if she now offers anal instead of regular sex since she is so fixated on buttfucking-I'm sure her response would have been hilarious.
[QUOTE=Badboy2;5044834]Based off this review, her ad and what I've read in this thread about her, I can only conclude the guys that she's seeing are getting pegged. That has to be the reason she's still in business. It's obvious that she doesn't want to get penetrated. From what I gather from HeadHunter's review, her plan is to get you there, make you fail at penetration, you figure she's so hot that you will let her peg you. There you go, no judgement.[/QUOTE]Suggestion: The name of the provider should be attached so others can see the comments when doing a search on the name. Without the name, others will not see or benefit from your comments and insight.
[QUOTE=JonH4;5041437]Manfree points to a problem: "A major decline. In looks and hotness". Perhaps true for many of us, but even more disturbing, what about when an average looking girl sees no problem to asks for "$250 hhr but No CIM, No CIP, No BB, No Greek, No. I am looking for regulars. ".[/QUOTE]That's because young women have become delusional due to social media. The average girl gets more attention than any guy could possible get in his life. So a lot of these girls feel they are hotter than they really are. Go MGTOW. If you don't know what it is look it up. If you arent already married its the only way to go. I will date but NEVER marry or be in a long term. Period.
[QUOTE=DVelvet69;5044863]It was her looks that lured all of us my friend, LOL, however when I saw Bree a few months back, horrible BBJ and shitty no penetration service aside, there was no talk about this pegging BS so that's actually something new with her.
The fact that she kept blocking you from actually penetrating her (you along with everyone else) but kept trying to get you to let her do that shit to you instead of her trying to make "you" happy is pretty telling of her arrogant "it's all about me" mindset toward her clients now and it's sounds like she is now more interested in ass fucking guys for her own twisted enjoyment than her getting fucked by guys. That also leads me to believe the whole "size" issue she always seems to have with everyone has always been more of an act than anything and just an excuse to get out of providing actual FS with anyone.
P.S.: I guess you could have flipped the script on her ass and asked her if she now offers anal instead of regular sex since she is so fixated on buttfucking-I'm sure her response would have been hilarious.[/QUOTE]That's bad business. The well is going to run dry with that service. She is going to become another Kristina and get blackballed in all of the forums. Nobody will end up seeing her.
[QUOTE=JonH4;5044867]Suggestion: The name of the provider should be attached so others can see the comments when doing a search on the name. Without the name, others will not see or benefit from your comments and insight.[/QUOTE]Read the thread, it's not that hard. We're all talking about Bree.
[QUOTE=ScottMarley;5044536][URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/55472028/[/URL]
I've seen this girls ads a few times and I'm definitely interested, but I was wondering if anyone had any personal experience with her?[/QUOTE]Pics are of her with a lot of make-up. Looks rough in person. She has been way strung out the few times I've seen her. Nodding off and tweaking bad last time. But had signs of needle use. Actually came out of the bathroom smoking a pipe even. Service was ok, everything covered first time then BBBJ after that. And hard to get ahold of at times and will ghost on an occasion. But I would repeat if she was more reliable. Just a coin toss with her. Today may be great time next time just ok if she gets back to you.
I'm not sure what happened. For over 10 yrs seemed like every girl I met or tried had a great time. Over the last 2 years it has gone to shit. If a few of the girls made quick come back. They would get rich. Like AA Bree or many others. The demand and money is here. But the supply is lacking. These girls are getting away with it. Because of lack of options. Get a couple great provider's here and these others would be shut down. I have been told by 1 of the girls that left. It's because word got out that St Louis was bad for business. Guys ripping girls off, disrespectful guys, and cheap guys not wanting to pay. I don't think it will ever be the same.
[QUOTE=RogueOne1977;5044968]That's bad business. The well is going to run dry with that service. She is going to become another Kristina and get blackballed in all of the forums. Nobody will end up seeing her.[/QUOTE]I bet Kristina still gets plenty of service though.
[QUOTE=StlGamerDude;5045733]I bet Kristina still gets plenty of service though.[/QUOTE]Maybe. But she won't get regulars or repeat customers. Makes it more dangerous for them to have to see new people every time.
[QUOTE=JonH4;5044867]Suggestion: The name of the provider should be attached so others can see the comments when doing a search on the name. Without the name, others will not see or benefit from your comments and insight.[/QUOTE]"Or" perhaps you / they could just try clicking on "View Original Post" like everyone else does on here and see who everyone is talking about. It would take you only about 5 seconds of backtracking the thread to see the name "Bree" pop up and I'm sure it probably took you longer to type that post than it would have taken to just do that.
Stay safe out there. :-)
Hey guys I have a question there is a provider I really really want to see, the problem with it is I actually used to work with her. It's been a few years since I've seen her however. So if I text her should I say that we used to work together or just show up and go from there.
Bree was a top 10 GOAT provider. I savior my fond memories with pics that she posed for me in centerfold positions. No face shots but nice pics of her spreading herself. I wish she came out of retirement. The last 2-3 years I've typically stuck with regulars knowing I'll get the service I want at a very fair donation. I see new girls here and there but for the most part regulars. Maybe, I've become too used my regular rates and open menu? Years ago I had my routine of paying full price for 1-2 visits then offered a regular price for 2-4 times a month. However, GFE was mandatory. The only way to change these new girls expectations is to not use them. When business is slow they start to allow reality to set in. When mongers pay these prices for bottom of the line service they believe they can continue this way. If they are starving for business they will eventually come to the table needing to eat.
[QUOTE=HeadHunter42;5045638]I'm not sure what happened. For over 10 yrs seemed like every girl I met or tried had a great time. Over the last 2 years it has gone to shit. If a few of the girls made quick come back. They would get rich. Like AA Bree or many others. The demand and money is here. But the supply is lacking. These girls are getting away with it. Because of lack of options. Get a couple great provider's here and these others would be shut down. I have been told by 1 of the girls that left. It's because word got out that St Louis was bad for business. Guys ripping girls off, disrespectful guys, and cheap guys not wanting to pay. I don't think it will ever be the same.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StlGamerDude;5045733]I bet Kristina still gets plenty of service though.[/QUOTE]Actually I have not seen any ads for her on listcrawler for a while now-maybe she got the hint and quit or maybe she just left the area to start new and is now screwing over unsuspecting customers in some other city.
Who knows.
[QUOTE=SirChuck;5046425]Bree was a top 10 GOAT provider. I savior my fond memories with pics that she posed for me in centerfold positions. No face shots but nice pics of her spreading herself. I wish she came out of retirement. The last 2-3 years I've typically stuck with regulars knowing I'll get the service I want at a very fair donation. I see new girls here and there but for the most part regulars. Maybe, I've become too used my regular rates and open menu? Years ago I had my routine of paying full price for 1-2 visits then offered a regular price for 2-4 times a month. However, GFE was mandatory. The only way to change these new girls expectations is to not use them. When business is slow they start to allow reality to set in. When mongers pay these prices for bottom of the line service they believe they can continue this way. If they are starving for business they will eventually come to the table needing to eat.[/QUOTE]I just had one of my regulars increase her pricing by 100% - overnight. I didn't complain I just went elsewhere. Some of these girls are wagering that we won't find comparable service for a lower price. They are wrong. It might take some time, some effort and maybe some luck. As slim as the options appear to be at times there are always newer girls who getting into the business who have been reviewed here by experienced and dependable members. If we keep up the fight in rewarding the great women with our business and staying away from those who are just being outrageous, this pendulum will swing in our direction again. This board makes this more possible. We are the ones with the greenbacks in our pockets not them. We should be making the rules not them. If they increase the price by 100% and I see them less than half as often, or in my case. Never again. Just how far ahead are they on that business plan?
[QUOTE=Mopar86;5046194]Hey guys I have a question there is a provider I really really want to see, the problem with it is I actually used to work with her. It's been a few years since I've seen her however. So if I text her should I say that we used to work together or just show up and go from there.[/QUOTE]I'd just show up and go from there. You could just played it off as "I thought it was just someone who looked like you".
[QUOTE=Mopar86;5046194]Hey guys I have a question there is a provider I really really want to see, the problem with it is I actually used to work with her. It's been a few years since I've seen her however. So if I text her should I say that we used to work together or just show up and go from there.[/QUOTE]If I were you, I'd just text her, meet her and see where it goes. If she remembers you, just play it off, if not boom.