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[QUOTE=Riskychif;7285310]Hello I saw this post and wanted to check if anyone knows if she's good [URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-professional-masseuse-massage/7848824914.html[/URL][/QUOTE]LongwoodStitch just reviewed her. See post below yours. Sounds promising.
I think she used to post on MF under Malloy under something similar, anyway she is MILF age with a smoking hot body for her age. She has some different packages like massage, facial, body scrub etc.
Spanish speaker but you can get by with English. Regardless its a nice location a big office complex in south Orlando, a bit busy but you can park close and walk and blend in.
Anyway normal rubdown, kind of light, gets near the end and she basically says $500 to finish. WTF. Like I didn't even know what to say. I should have countered back at a benji.
So one and done for me. Who knows what you can negotiate here. Definitely cute as hell with great body. Been hobbying for years and in that situation never got a quote like that, my best feeling is she is just a prick tease and expects guys to say no. Good luck boyz.
[QUOTE=LongwoodStitch;7285028]Had a couple dreams over the last month and decided I'd share for anyone curious. Hopefully the links will work, if not feel free to message me privately.
Boston Pam:
What more can be said that hasn't already been said by many here? Excellent provider, very cheerful and talkative, her location is decreet enough and communication is never an issue. She really takes her time with the massage and caters to your needs, once she's comfortable with you the fun begins and you will leave feeling very relieved (YMMV). Amazing body as she is in the gym almost every other day and takes her health very seriously. You can find her on MF.
[URL]https://www.massagefinder.com/massage-therapists/47263/[/URL]
Kate:
Dreamed about Kate a few times over the last month and was able to get in touch with her at her new studio. Very welcoming and her English is perfect, she will tell you stories while your on your stomach and then match your attire on the flip. Very petite but she wears it well. Would definitely recommend if you get the chance before she disappears again. You'll have to go through the correct channels to get in touch with her as she no longer has any ads up.[/QUOTE]Have tried to reach Pamela but never any luck. Is she tough to schedule?
So Lilly. I would say the apartment is ok. With me she seemed out of it a little. Her feet could use some manicuring help. But! That's my take and maybe I saw things differently.
Fletch.
Set up a date with Salma, manager FOR Lavender Spa.
I can't find there advertisements listed any longer?
Anyhow, I set a time to meet Karen. She is a very pretty Guatemalan. Dark skin, but it a tan as very lighter on her pussy after she took off her thong. Not much english, very, very, minimum.
1. Took shower.
2. Layed on table.
3. She very gently rubbed my back and legs (like WTF) after about 5 minutes of her just singing and moving around. I was touching her legs and ass.
4. Flip she motions at my cock. Yes I say. So she starts playing with it. Goes and gets a towel and lube. Then goes down on me rolling a hat over jr.
5. After maybe 20 seconds she say doggie? So sure. Great ass. Bigger and firmer. And she is tiny like 4'10.
Well that went a little while, she flips into mish. I go to eat. NO NO NO EAT! WTH. OK so I slide in jr an go to pull her top down to see tatas. NO NO NO. SURGERY. DAMN. So jr is losing interest. I stop. She gets up and I'm just want a BJ and leave. But she HJ until I could blow. Clean up and out. Really disappointed because is is very pretty. But just a turn off. YMMV. $$ NEW GIRL EVERY WEEK according to Salma.
[QUOTE=PaulieW;7285625]Have tried to reach Pamela but never any luck. Is she tough to schedule?[/QUOTE]I have seen her twice in the last 60 days. Only had one issue and that was that she was booked the day I tried to see her.
That rack is worth the wait. Give her a try again. Just in case, avoid the "I've been trying to get a hold of you but you won't respond" routine. These gals have lives outside the biz.
Decided to see what's on craiglist and came upon Lilly. She looked cute from the pics so I hit her up. Surprisingly, she's located near the airport which is great for me. Off the bat, it is her in the pictures. She's very welcoming and has a ridiculous body. Once in person, I asked if FS was available and it was. I immediately went for it and all I have to say is wow. In clothes, she's a stunner. Naked, she's absolutely jaw dropping stunning. She's half white and half hispanic and the hispanic genes definitely show from her backside. I'm still in awe if how good she looks. Right when she undressed, I almost lost it. Please treat this one right and donlt play games with her. She's a sweetheart and definitely a gem.
[URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-professional-masseuse-massage/7848824914.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Libertad86;7284948]So he is charging top $ to bang his trans box? Without telling people he is trans? Yikes.[/QUOTE]She has lots of good reviews. Seems that either guys had no idea so she is done right or if they did, she was still good enough and they didn't care.
I wasn't trashing her and I don't think Fletcher was either. Just wanted to let guys know in case it really bothered someone and they freaked out and maybe hurt her or it messed with their heads too much.
[QUOTE=PaulieW;7285625]Have tried to reach Pamela but never any luck. Is she tough to schedule?[/QUOTE]Got to call.
[QUOTE=LongwoodStitch;7285028]Had a couple dreams over the last month and decided I'd share for anyone curious. Hopefully the links will work, if not feel free to message me privately.
Boston Pam:
What more can be said that hasn't already been said by many here? Excellent provider, very cheerful and talkative, her location is decreet enough and communication is never an issue. She really takes her time with the massage and caters to your needs, once she's comfortable with you the fun begins and you will leave feeling very relieved (YMMV). Amazing body as she is in the gym almost every other day and takes her health very seriously. You can find her on MF.
[URL]https://www.massagefinder.com/massage-therapists/47263/[/URL]
Kate:
Dreamed about Kate a few times over the last month and was able to get in touch with her at her new studio. Very welcoming and her English is perfect, she will tell you stories while your on your stomach and then match your attire on the flip. Very petite but she wears it well. Would definitely recommend if you get the chance before she disappears again. You'll have to go through the correct channels to get in touch with her as she no longer has any ads up.
Heidi:
I dream of Heidi often as she is one of my favorites. The conversations are always engaging and she has such a charismatic personality that it's really hard not to get along with her. Her location is in the same office as some other providers but still discreet. The massage is always more of a sensual rub down paying attention to all areas even before the flip (YMMV). On the flip the clothes come off leaving just a thong but that doesn't stay on for long either. Great hands and always attentive to your needs, would highly recommend for anyone just starting out. She advertises on MF.
[URL]https://www.massagefinder.com/massage-therapists/38978/[/URL]
Lilly:
One of the newer providers advertising on CL. The location as isn't in a gated community but safe enough as has been mentioned before. Petite with a natural bubble butt and large enhancements up top, the massage is more of a quick rub down while she shakes her ass for you to see before the flip. Once you flip she straddles you and continues until you're relieved. Rates are a bit high for L1, but if you have the coins you should give her a chance.
[URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-professional-masseuse-massage/7848824914.html[/URL]
Selma:
Another of the more recent advertisers on CL, located in a shared building downtown. Beautiful tan skin with a great ass and even better chest. This massage is different as she first will ask you what is your favorite color to change the mood lighting and make you more comfortable. Once you're undressed and on the table she will apply detox pads to your feet and begin working the massage from head to toe making sure not to miss a single area. On the flip she even massages your scalp and beard (If you have one) and then continues all the way down to your feet but gracefully passing over Jr. Once this is done she will make sure Jr is well taken care of, even stripping down allowing you to take in the sights and roam if you want (YMMV). Very reasonable rates for hhr and hr plus tip.
[URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-healing-touch-by-selma/7848690689.html[/URL][/QUOTE]This is a good group of providers, I've seen all but Lilly. The review may be a little generous on looks as they're older but I agree they are all chill and will do a very good L1++, YMMV. Prices are good too, they're from the stated fee, non negotiation school, just tip what you think. Good massage and fun with an older woman.
[QUOTE=IrwinFletcher1;7285647]So Lilly. I would say the apartment is ok. With me she seemed out of it a little. Her feet could use some manicuring help. But! That's my take and maybe I saw things differently..[/QUOTE]I would agree, she seemed a bit out of it and she was trying to multitask.
Was able to see Pam and the session was great. She is very nice and the rub was done like a real professional would. On the flip, she maintained the same sensuality and took good care of JR. The studio is easy to find and clean. I highly recommend her.
[QUOTE=ThaaAtOne;7282338]Def not Persian princess from cuddle sites.
I'll echo what massagee mentioned. The spot is located in the nicer part of winter park. Beautiful homes in proximity & , located in a well off neighborhood. Went about a week ago. Traffic will raise eyebrows and will become a nuisance for neighbors. Go sooner rather than before uncle gets involved.
Sexy af latin girl. I didn't get the girl in the MF ad, but I also wasn't complaining either.[/QUOTE]It definitely isn't Oriana but the girl is Andrea who is from Argentina. Not sure if there actually is a rotation of girls but she will be here until Friday. No links or anything but she used to be on MF in Miami but she said her page got blocked. I haven't seen anyone else give an L3 review but could be YMMV upgrades were L1- L2- L3- Decent massage with some teasing. I went L3 but it was after strong persuasion with her tits in my mouth LOL. GFE was on point and lots of eye contact. She gots some beautiful blue eyes. BBBJ skills were 9 out of 10. Would definitely repeat.
[QUOTE=PaulieW;7287233]Was able to see Pam and the session was great. She is very nice and the rub was done like a real professional would. On the flip, she maintained the same sensuality and took good care of JR. The studio is easy to find and clean. I highly recommend her.[/QUOTE]Can I ask? How much was the total damage?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=WhoreMaster73;7288197]Can I ask? How much was the total damage?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Her fee is $200 and she doesn't ask for a tip with L1 included. I did just because I do but you would be fine at $200. Good massage too and the whole hour.
[QUOTE=VeronicaX;7286276]Decided to see what's on craiglist and came upon Lilly. She looked cute from the pics so I hit her up. Surprisingly, she's located near the airport which is great for me. Off the bat, it is her in the pictures. She's very welcoming and has a ridiculous body. Once in person, I asked if FS was available and it was. I immediately went for it and all I have to say is wow. In clothes, she's a stunner. Naked, she's absolutely jaw dropping stunning. She's half white and half hispanic and the hispanic genes definitely show from her backside. I'm still in awe if how good she looks. Right when she undressed, I almost lost it. Please treat this one right and donlt play games with her. She's a sweetheart and definitely a gem.
[URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-professional-masseuse-massage/7848824914.html[/URL][/QUOTE]How were her skills? And what's the damage for L3?
Thanks to Willie24 I was able to meet up with Kavvy earlier this week when she had a AirBnB in Winter Park.
We were actually supposed to meet her the first time she was out this way when she had one in Parramore. When I got there there was a White Charger in the driveway parked behind her SUV. I thought maybe her last client was running a little behind so I went around the block. When I got back it was still there, so I texted her and made another lap. Well, if you know anything about that neighborhood it is on the rough side. Here I am lapping this sketchy neighborhood as a well dressed dude in a luxury ride. Yeah, it looked like I was trying to score. After the 3rd lap OPD started following me. So I took that as the cue to get out of there so I went over to the 7-11 over on Magnolia and SR50 to figure out my next move.
I grabbed a drink and when I got back to the car it was about 40 min after the appointment should have started. She texted me then. Her previous client asked to extend to 90 min and she lost track of when my appointment time was. The way she handled the situation showed so much class. She let me know the situation then followed up with a phone call. She explained what happened, asked how I was doing, then made an offer to make it up to me that I very much appreciated. She asked me about where she should get her next AirBnB and suggested Winter Park. The place she found was semi-commercial, but super convenient. Close to I-4 and all of Winter Park's happenings at the same time. Very nice on the inside as well and I felt comfortable parking there. Hopefully she'll be able to book it again.
So when I was finally able to make it over to her location, I pulled up and got out of the car. She opened the door and was there looking all hot and sexxxy in her white leotard. The pictures posted of her don't do her justice she was way more attractive than I was expecting and she was wonderful to spend time with. The massage felt great, well worth it just for that, and the fun stuff was awesome. I had gone way too long between releases and sometimes I get the opposite than expected effect from that move. So she worked on that for over 25 minutes before I reached an explosive O and made a huge mess! She helped me clean up and was a joy to spend the rest of the time with.
Unfortunately I think I'll be out of state when she is in Orlando next so I'll go see her next time she has an AirBnB over in Brevard. She is well worth the drive over there! An absolutely wonderful lady that you should definitely go visit, especially when she is over our way!
Saw heidi recently. Comms are spotty as usual but she delivers great service as always. Massage is decent and I just love her thick MILF body.
[QUOTE=AbcBruce;7292309]Saw heidi recently. Comms are spotty as usual but she delivers great service as always. Massage is decent and I just love her thick MILF body.[/QUOTE]Spotty is an understatement. I have tried to reach her several times over a year.
Got hold of her couple times but still couldn't schedule. I have given up!
Great massage. I would repeat for massage only any day. L1, L2 and L3 available for additional $, $.5 and $$.
Yes, $$$ in addition to the $ massage that will bring you to $$.
I opted out because I can find much better value for that. Legit massage + L1 could be a good option if you are looking for that.
I would rather get $ hr massage from Liz and then $ qv with all other talent we have in our beautiful city.
Her personality is nice and not pushy at all.
[URL]https://www.massagefinder.com/massage-therapists/49418/[/URL]
I wanted to start my trip out well so I contacted Julia for an hour massage I know her prices went up but she did discount it some for me cause I have seen her several times and even got an haircut from her last October. I like her she scratches a particular itch and for the most part roaming is not allowed but she has made concessions for me in the past but I noticed she kinda positions herself so it's a little harder to try but I always asked her politely and sometimes it was ok. Wasn't worried about it on this trip communication is always top notch with her along with safety and I like her rub down her finish is great. She cleaned me up before I got off the table I got a small peck on the lips she said shower papi damn that sounded good coming from a brazilian she ran the water for me which was nice I got another peck on the lips as I left YMMV but I enjoyed my time with her. That's all for me stay safe take care and I'll catch you next time.
[QUOTE=NavLa;7293439]Spotty is an understatement. I have tried to reach her several times over a year.
Got hold of her couple times but still couldn't schedule. I have given up![/QUOTE]Keep trying. Just never works last minute.
Just had a session with this lovely lady. I always have a good time with her. Curvy woman and very sexy. Treat her right and she will reciprocate. Communication has been an issue before but she tries to answer or reply to every text. Have patient. You can find her ad on AF. Be safe gentlemen.
[URL]https://www.massagefinder.com/massage-therapists/50353/[/URL]
Tried to reach a few ladies last few days serenity, Hanna, Selma and Italian princess but unfortunately they haven't returned any messages so I tried Isa she answered we set up meeting same day. The massage was very close to what Rosie gives very similar also Isa BBL and chest reminds me of Rosie only difference is Isa is younger. $ for the hour and $ for top off pants down L1 technique was good and her body is nice she was pleasant we used phone to communicate some, she taught me a few new words and I taught her some as well. Overall a good session and I would repeat maybe the others will respond before I leave. That's all for me stay safe take care and I'll catch you next time.
[QUOTE=NavLa;7293453]Great massage. I would repeat for massage only any day. L1, L2 and L3 available for additional $, $.5 and $$.
Yes, $$$ in addition to the $ massage that will bring you to $$.
I opted out because I can find much better value for that. Legit massage + L1 could be a good option if you are looking for that.
I would rather get $ hr massage from Liz and then $ qv with all other talent we have in our beautiful city.
Her personality is nice and not pushy at all.[/QUOTE]Sounds like she's upped her rate for L3, it was $$. 5 but now 3 x $ based on this. I did take the hit on L3 and it was a great time, she does get into it, DFK, sloppy bbj and ultra wet kitty. I would see her more if not for that massive premium. For that rate this is as good of service you can have a few times.
As mentioned here though, no pushy if you don't want to. She's a MILF type Venezuelan chick, man made hard top but natural bottom.
[QUOTE=SeroBliss;7295172][URL]https://www.massagefinder.com/massage-therapists/50353/[/URL]
Tried to reach a few ladies last few days serenity, Hanna, Selma and Italian princess but unfortunately they haven't returned any messages so I tried Isa she answered we set up meeting same day. The massage was very close to what Rosie gives very similar also Isa BBL and chest reminds me of Rosie only difference is Isa is younger. $ for the hour and $ for top off pants down L1 technique was good and her body is nice she was pleasant we used phone to communicate some, she taught me a few new words and I taught her some as well. Overall a good session and I would repeat maybe the others will respond before I leave. That's all for me stay safe take care and I'll catch you next time.[/QUOTE]It is now 2 benjamins for a L1 this is getting out of control!
[QUOTE=SpeedRacerV;7295350]It is now 2 benjamins for a L1 this is getting out of control![/QUOTE]Agreed, personally would rather be pounding some pussy for $$.
[URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-massage-therapy/7851723544.html[/URL]
Finally got an appointment with Serenity had a scheduling mix up so I had to go back but she was friendly and accommodating her massage is really good I'd go alone just for it cupping hot stones she's very attractive and gives a firm massage. On flip massaged head neck chest and stomach and legs Jr seemed to like the stomach legs massage the best she immediately took care of him and cleaned me up L1 with roaming allowed. I will definitely repeat especially since massage was top notch. That's all for me stay safe take care and I'll catch you next time.
What was the damage?
[QUOTE=SeroBliss;7296333][URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-massage-therapy/7851723544.html[/URL]
Finally got an appointment with Serenity had a scheduling mix up so I had to go back but she was friendly and accommodating her massage is really good I'd go alone just for it cupping hot stones she's very attractive and gives a firm massage. On flip massaged head neck chest and stomach and legs Jr seemed to like the stomach legs massage the best she immediately took care of him and cleaned me up L1 with roaming allowed. I will definitely repeat especially since massage was top notch. That's all for me stay safe take care and I'll catch you next time.[/QUOTE]
In terms of actual massage, she is great. Liz will put any girl to shame and the cost admission is beyond reasonable. Sad to hear about the bump in pricing but I've seen her multiple times and enjoyed all 3 of her levels. Most def puts is a top tier compared to many others that we regularly see being reviewed. Try it for yourself, even if it's L1.
[QUOTE=Elysium;7295347]Sounds like she's upped her rate for L3, it was $$. 5 but now 3 x $ based on this. I did take the hit on L3 and it was a great time, she does get into it, DFK, sloppy bbj and ultra wet kitty. I would see her more if not for that massive premium. For that rate this is as good of service you can have a few times.
As mentioned here though, no pushy if you don't want to. She's a MILF type Venezuelan chick, man made hard top but natural bottom.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NavLa;7293453]Great massage. I would repeat for massage only any day. L1, L2 and L3 available for additional $, $.5 and $$.
Yes, $$$ in addition to the $ massage that will bring you to $$.
I opted out because I can find much better value for that. Legit massage + L1 could be a good option if you are looking for that.
I would rather get $ hr massage from Liz and then $ qv with all other talent we have in our beautiful city.
Her personality is nice and not pushy at all.[/QUOTE]
Late post of Lily saw her last Friday and comms were pretty good she said she had upgrades on the phone but would not disclose them until in person. She said her rates were 120/180 so wasn't sure what I was getting my self into with upgrades previous reports say expensive I was a little taken back when she said she had full service for 380 I'm like what the hell GPS much. Got her down to 220 for massage with FS. She was completely nude for the massage and it was decent didn't douse me with too much oil and had some decent pressure. She was fun shaking her ass in my face as she passed let me do a little DATO but she says she doesn't like DATY which is a shame she said I could do it but it's not her thing LOL. When it was time to flip she immediately grabbed a cover and gave jr a decent CBJ which is not my thing LOL. After a little of that I asked to stand up and she laid on her back for standing mish and flipped for standing doggie all in all was a decent experience I don't think I'll go back though cause she is very far from me and it kinda sucks she only has the small massage table and nothing else to work with in the room I had to put my clothes on top of my flip flops LOL.
[URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-professional-masseuse-massage/7848824914.html[/URL]
Have fun boys.
Porkchopp.
[QUOTE=ThaaAtOne;7296824]In terms of actual massage, she is great. Liz will put any girl to shame and the cost admission is beyond reasonable. Sad to hear about the bump in pricing but I've seen her multiple times and enjoyed all 3 of her levels. Most def puts is a top tier compared to many others that we regularly see being reviewed. Try it for yourself, even if it's L1.[/QUOTE]Was trying to find Liz's ad, any links out there?
[QUOTE=NavLa;7293453]Great massage. I would repeat for massage only any day. L1, L2 and L3 available for additional $, $.5 and $$.
Yes, $$$ in addition to the $ massage that will bring you to $$.
I opted out because I can find much better value for that. Legit massage + L1 could be a good option if you are looking for that.
I would rather get $ hr massage from Liz and then $ qv with all other talent we have in our beautiful city.
Her personality is nice and not pushy at all.[/QUOTE]Forgive me for being dense but I have a question about the following sentence from the above-described review: "Yes, $$$ in addition to the $ massage that will bring you to $$".
I am reading this as $300 in addition to the $100 massage that will bring you to $200.
Was that a typo and should the total for L3 be $400 instead of the stated $200? Am I missing something? Thanks for any clarifications.
[QUOTE=ThaaAtOne;7296824]In terms of actual massage, she is great. Liz will put any girl to shame and the cost admission is beyond reasonable. Sad to hear about the bump in pricing but I've seen her multiple times and enjoyed all 3 of her levels. Most def puts is a top tier compared to many others that we regularly see being reviewed. Try it for yourself, even if it's L1.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I missed it, but I searched fairly well. Any link on her?
[QUOTE=NavLa;7293453]Great massage. I would repeat for massage only any day. L1, L2 and L3 available for additional $, $.5 and $$.
Yes, $$$ in addition to the $ massage that will bring you to $$.
I opted out because I can find much better value for that. Legit massage + L1 could be a good option if you are looking for that.
I would rather get $ hr massage from Liz and then $ qv with all other talent we have in our beautiful city.
Her personality is nice and not pushy at all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DickJackman;7297037]Forgive me for being dense but I have a question about the following sentence from the above-described review: "Yes, $$$ in addition to the $ massage that will bring you to $$".
I am reading this as $300 in addition to the $100 massage that will bring you to $200.
Was that a typo and should the total for L3 be $400 instead of the stated $200? Am I missing something? Thanks for any clarifications.[/QUOTE]And anyone got an ad? Or pics? Can't search the 3 letter name, went back a few pages and didn't find either a link or pics. Anybody got that info to post? Thanks!
[QUOTE=Sch05;7297049]Sorry if I missed it, but I searched fairly well. Any link on her?[/QUOTE]Yeah, what he said!
Different girl there this week. From Argentina. Very sweet and attractive. Massage was as close to a 1 as you could get. Really bad and short. Played with jr between my legs and quickly asked about the flip. Too came off and tits are amazing. Put my hand on them. L1 was fine. Got the job done but nothing extraordinary. Then we were done. Didn't even clean me up.
If you get off on a really beautiful girl with great tits, go see her. If not, there is better use of your $$.
[QUOTE=DickJackman;7297037]Forgive me for being dense but I have a question about the following sentence from the above-described review: "Yes, $$$ in addition to the $ massage that will bring you to $$".
I am reading this as $300 in addition to the $100 massage that will bring you to $200.
Was that a typo and should the total for L3 be $400 instead of the stated $200? Am I missing something? Thanks for any clarifications.[/QUOTE]No commas and symbols makes for confusion.
No it's a great massage for 100, HJ add 100 =200 for massage and he.
Total 250 for massage and BBJ.
Total 300 for massage and cfs.
[URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-massage-therapy-college-park/7851643315.html[/URL]
Thank me later. She stays busy. For those who post about getting a bad ass massage with a sensual HE. Liz is your girl. You'll be addicted. PS - she's a older milf type. But has a great body. But def trumps any of the other girls - Hanna, serenity, maria etc etc
[QUOTE=ThaaAtOne;7297122][URL]https://orlando.craigslist.org/hws/d/orlando-massage-therapy-college-park/7851643315.html[/URL]
Thank me later. She stays busy. For those who post about getting a bad ass massage with a sensual HE. Liz is your girl. You'll be addicted.[/QUOTE]I've commented a few times on this one. Again, she is a great time, but those prices are quite a bit exorbitant. But yes, she does stay busy so I'm sure she has plenty in the piggy bank now. HOpefully her bank doesn't report her to the IRS LOL.
$ for HR massage.
$ for L1.
$$ for L2 which is very sloppy and wet.
And $ $ $ for L3.