15th Ave Bookstore

[QUOTE=Lizco; 1279226]Hey!

James, I thought we had some respect here! I am NOT a piece of meat, and that statement was rude!

Why? Comments like that will get me to not to post any where and be very selective on who I will play with if at all. If you know that I am just that then you also know that I expect respect and that wasn't very respectful.[/QUOTE]Yeah James gave me some grief too back in post 1932.

Keep him in mind next time you go there to play.

He's one guy who should be sitting on the bench while RESPECTFUL guys get to play.

I will have some free time Wed afternoon around 4pm. Is there ever anything happening at that time of day. Any couples planning on being there?

I'll be there around 930 Saturday night.

Show up clean with your polite manners and you might be able to have some fun!

See everyone then.

Liz

[QUOTE=Lizco; 1279226]Hey!

James, I thought we had some respect here! I am NOT a piece of meat, and that statement was rude!

Why? Comments like that will get me to not to post any where and be very selective on who I will play with if at all. If you know that I am just that then you also know that I expect respect and that wasn't very respectful.[/QUOTE]OK. If you feel my words were rude and disrespectful and if it makes you feel any better I'll give you an apology. I found your indignation a little naïve, and I was surprised as you had struck me as being more sophisticated. Then I took a step back, realizing that not only was I looking at this from a male perspective rather than that of a female, but, more importantly, the perspective of a female that needs to be serenaded into the right 'mood' before she will play. Now, as I think about how egotistical your behavior has started to become over the last few months, I'm starting to question whether I credited you with too much sophistication to begin with. So let me offer you a reality check and a personal perspective. Take from either, or both, what you want, or nothing at all.

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First, a reality check. A very large percentage (probably the great majority) of all the men that play with you simply see you has a piece of meat. They won't say it to your face (they are sophisticated enough to know that won't get them between your legs) , nor will they post such comments here (they're more polite than I'll ever be) , but that is what they are thinking. These comments are made in a more general sense of the women that play at an ABS rather than you specifically. You don't hear these comments, nor will you. They are made quietly between the men in the corridors waiting in line for a fuck, or in huddled groups outside catching a smoke. Rarely are they ever made online. Occasionally someone comments about 'meating' one of the females. Believe me, such are not simple typos. My description of you being 'a nice piece of meat hanging on the butcher's rack' is how many of the male players perceive you. Could it be said that comments of this nature rude? Yes. That they are disrespectful? Yes. Does it say less of you? No. Does it say less of the people that think that way? Arguably. But be under no illusion. That is the perception and unspoken mindset of many of the guys. And as I said, this is directed at all women at an ABS, and not you specifically. However, you want to stomp your foot on the ground and threaten to be more selective with whom you play simply because I have articulated in words the thoughts of many of the guys. Well that brings me to my second point. And as I said, this is just a personal perspective.

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Your behavior of late has started to resemble that of a prima donna. I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt but when I read comments like those that you made in a posting in Dr. Emilio Lizardo's Journal describing one of your visits to 15th Ave as follows: 'I arrived around 9:00pm, & before even going back to the parking lot I could tell it was full as cars were parked up front. Was a little worried that word of my arrival got out and this was the crowd for the evening. I was happy to hear that there was a bachelor party in the adjoining premises; ' and some of the recent comments that you have made in this forum (more specifically those commenting upon or alluding to your many satisfied 'fans') along with observing some of your recent behavior at 15th Ave, it becomes rather difficult not to start forming that opinion. Of course, you are completely within your rights to conduct yourself in any manner that you see fit and demand whatever behavior you want from those with whom you play. But there is a tipping point where playing with you becomes more unpleasant than pleasant, correlative with how much of the experience is about you verses the people with whom you play.

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Normally I see this type of behavior develop on the male side of a couple rather than the female side. Some may still remember Tall Mike and Angel (the Filipino girl – not the current Angel of CT's fame). Tall Mike got off watching Angel suck and fuck and for a while there it was fun, but increasingly Tall Mike started getting off more on dictating how the guys should play with Angel than watching Angel get the guys off, and there was a tipping point where they just weren't fun anymore as a couple. As I understand it (and this is only a rumor) , the management at 15th Ave told them to leave and never come back, though (and again only rumor) , this had more to do with them fucking guys in the car park than Tall Mike's degenerating attitude. However, I think that it is fair to say Tall Mike has not been missed, although Angel certainly has been. (Always wondered what happened to Tall Mike. Never seen him at CT's and there aren't too many places locally that a guy can take a girl to watch other guys fuck her.)

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Finally, perhaps if you weren't becoming such a damn prima donna demanding that everyone 'respect' you, you might appreciate being described as 'a nice piece of meat hanging on the butcher's rack' is actually more complementary than derogatory within the lexicon of the guys frequenting adult bookstores. Anyway, just a personal perspective; take it, leave it, or toss it to the dogs.

[QUOTE=Jacbnimbie; 1279589]Yeah James gave me some grief too back in post 1932.

Keep him in mind next time you go there to play.

He's one guy who should be sitting on the bench while RESPECTFUL guys get to play.[/QUOTE]So what was the meanie thing I said to you in Post 1932? Oh Yeah! That's right. I suggested (actually quite politely – how utterly uncharacteristic of me) that you might want to practice up on your comprehension skills. Hang about. That's not what I said. I suggested that you might not have properly articulated what you were trying to say but you might want to consider how other readers might have misconstrued your comments. Hang about again. Maybe that is comprehension skills after all. Or is it expressive skills as well? Oh dear, I am so confused now. Clearly I am not nearly as nimble on these matters as you are. So refresh my memory, sweetheart. What is your favorite nail Polish color, again?

[Jackson, for the love of fucken God! The auto-fix feature of your software is finding increasingly more labyrinthine ways to contort the written word out of context. It decides to capitalize 'Polish. ' The intended context of the noun is 'a substance used to give smoothness or gloss, ' not 'a Slavic language, the principal language of Poland; ' or an adjective 'of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Poland, its inhabitants, or their language. ']

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Hi JamesDownstin,

No fucking way do I ever turn off the "Text Cleanup Script". It literally saves me 4 hours a day, every day of the year.

Besides, I think that those few anomalies that the TCS does have (like proper casing the name of the citizens of Poland) is a small thing to accept in exchange for reading posts with correct spacing between sentences and paragraphs, with sentences beginning with capital letters, with proper nouns in proper case, and with no strings of multiple punctuation marks, no chat room slang, no commonly misspelled words, etc, etc, etc.

Get it?

BTW, if you would just switch IE's compatibility mode, would wouldn't have the problem you are apparent experiencing with the paragraph spacing. That is, unless your intent is only to break my balls complaining about something that you can fix yourself.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=JamesDownstin; 1282762]OK. If you feel my words were rude and disrespectful and if it makes you feel any better I'll give you an apology. I found your indignation a little naïve, and I was surprised as you had struck me as being more sophisticated. Then I took a step back, realizing that not only was I looking at this from a male perspective rather than that of a female, but, more importantly, the perspective of a female that needs to be serenaded into the right 'mood' before she will play. Now, as I think about how egotistical your behavior has started to become over the last few months, I'm starting to question whether I credited you with too much sophistication to begin with. So let me offer you a reality check and a personal perspective. Take from either, or both, what you want, or nothing at all.

[NEW PARAGRAPH]

First, a reality check. A very large percentage (probably the great majority) of all the men that play with you simply see you has a piece of meat. They won't say it to your face (they are sophisticated enough to know that won't get them between your legs) , nor will they post such comments here (they're more polite than I'll ever be) , but that is what they are thinking. These comments are made in a more general sense of the women that play at an ABS rather than you specifically. You don't hear these comments, nor will you. They are made quietly between the men in the corridors waiting in line for a fuck, or in huddled groups outside catching a smoke. Rarely are they ever made online. Occasionally someone comments about 'meating' one of the females. Believe me, such are not simple typos. My description of you being 'a nice piece of meat hanging on the butcher's rack' is how many of the male players perceive you. Could it be said that comments of this nature rude? Yes. That they are disrespectful? Yes. Does it say less of you? No. Does it say less of the people that think that way? Arguably. But be under no illusion. That is the perception and unspoken mindset of many of the guys. And as I said, this is directed at all women at an ABS, and not you specifically. However, you want to stomp your foot on the ground and threaten to be more selective with whom you play simply because I have articulated in words the thoughts of many of the guys. Well that brings me to my second point. And as I said, this is just a personal perspective.

[NEW PARAGRAPH]

Your behavior of late has started to resemble that of a prima donna. I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt but when I read comments like those that you made in a posting in Dr. Emilio Lizardo's Journal describing one of your visits to 15th Ave as follows: 'I arrived around 9:00pm, & before even going back to the parking lot I could tell it was full as cars were parked up front. Was a little worried that word of my arrival got out and this was the crowd for the evening. I was happy to hear that there was a bachelor party in the adjoining premises; ' and some of the recent comments that you have made in this forum (more specifically those commenting upon or alluding to your many satisfied 'fans') along with observing some of your recent behavior at 15th Ave, it becomes rather difficult not to start forming that opinion. Of course, you are completely within your rights to conduct yourself in any manner that you see fit and demand whatever behavior you want from those with whom you play. But there is a tipping point where playing with you becomes more unpleasant than pleasant, correlative with how much of the experience is about you verses the people with whom you play.

[NEW PARAGRAPH]

Normally I see this type of behavior develop on the male side of a couple rather than the female side. Some may still remember Tall Mike and Angel (the Filipino girl – not the current Angel of CT's fame). Tall Mike got off watching Angel suck and fuck and for a while there it was fun, but increasingly Tall Mike started getting off more on dictating how the guys should play with Angel than watching Angel get the guys off, and there was a tipping point where they just weren't fun anymore as a couple. As I understand it (and this is only a rumor) , the management at 15th Ave told them to leave and never come back, though (and again only rumor) , this had more to do with them fucking guys in the car park than Tall Mike's degenerating attitude. However, I think that it is fair to say Tall Mike has not been missed, although Angel certainly has been. (Always wondered what happened to Tall Mike. Never seen him at CT's and there aren't too many places locally that a guy can take a girl to watch other guys fuck her.)

[NEW PARAGRAPH]

Finally, perhaps if you weren't becoming such a damn prima donna demanding that everyone 'respect' you, you might appreciate being described as 'a nice piece of meat hanging on the butcher's rack' is actually more complementary than derogatory within the lexicon of the guys frequenting adult bookstores. Anyway, just a personal perspective; take it, leave it, or toss it to the dogs.[/QUOTE]James, I apologize now on this public forum if you think I am becoming a prima dona. Not my intentions at all. Never will be and I have asked for an idea on what behavior you have witnessed that makes you form that opinion. Yes I ask for men to show up polite, meaning. Just respect some of the boundaries that are set. I have VERY limited ones and yes it upsets me when I am playing with all comers and someone continues to cross the line after being asked not to.

SO to James and all you lovely men on this forum. Whatever this behavior I seemed to have acquired I apologize. PLEASE PM me anything you see I am doing wrong.

[QUOTE=Lizco;1283108]SO to James and all you lovely men on this forum. Whatever this behavior I seemed to have acquired I apologize. PLEASE PM me anything you see I am doing wrong.[/QUOTE]Lizco.

You are one hot babe and you are there to have fun. Just like me. I know there is a whole spectrum of opinions and personalities that go there, but I am not one of those that goes there to degrade women just to make myself feel better.

I would not listen to one bleep out of James.

If there was a book written "what men know about men", you would find out some things right away about James.

1. Pretends to know everything and has the need to comment on everyone, specifically when he demeans them = little weenie.

2. Laughs at others choices on how and where to have sex, whom they have sex with, how sexually attractive they are or are not = limp weenie.

So James can be picked out in a crowd fairly easily. Little weenie + limp weenie.

You go girl and maybe our paths will cross again!

[QUOTE=HungHardRon; 1283416]Lizco.

You are one hot babe and you are there to have fun. Just like me. I know there is a whole spectrum of opinions and personalities that go there, but I am not one of those that goes there to degrade women just to make myself feel better.

I would not listen to one bleep out of James.

If there was a book written "what men know about men", you would find out some things right away about James.

1. Pretends to know everything and has the need to comment on everyone, specifically when he demeans them = little weenie.

2. Laughs at others choices on how and where to have sex, whom they have sex with, how sexually attractive they are or are not = limp weenie.

So James can be picked out in a crowd fairly easily. Little weenie + limp weenie.

You go girl and maybe our paths will cross again![/QUOTE]Well said.

That weenie even gave Jackson some grief on how the software works.

Which is something no one else ever complained about.

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Hi JamesDownstin,

No fucking way do I ever turn off the "Text Cleanup Script". It literally saves me 4 hours a day, every day of the year.

Besides, I think that those few anomalies that the TCS does have (like proper casing the name of the citizens of Poland) is a small thing to accept in exchange for reading posts with correct spacing between sentences and paragraphs, with sentences beginning with capital letters, with proper nouns in proper case, and with no strings of multiple punctuation marks, no chat room slang, no commonly misspelled words, etc, etc, etc.

Get it?

BTW, if you would just switch IE's compatibility mode, would wouldn't have the problem you are apparent experiencing with the paragraph spacing. That is, unless your intent is only to break my balls complaining about something that you can fix yourself.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]Actually it wasn't my intent to break your balls complaining about something that I could easily fix myself. I just hadn't given a moment of thought to the possibility that it might be. Some time ago you performed an upgrade of your web site software. Prior to that upgrade I had little complaint about your Text Cleanup Script. For the most part it did not mess up my postings too much.

After the upgrade it started making annoying little 'corrections' like trying to fix contractions and messing up the sentence structure by removing periods and adding capitalization in mid-sentence all because its creator had set it loose with a few simple rules, that it executed dutifully, but too few to be executed properly.

So when it started deleting paragraph spacing and the like, I just assumed that this was all simply part and parcel of this latest set of enhancements. It never occurred to me that I might be able to fix the problem by changing compatibility mode. Actually, in all my web browsing I've never had to change the compatibility mode on my browser when visiting a site and completely forgot that this feature was there. That suggests either I don't surf a lot of sites, or most sites quickly update their software to accommodate the new technologies. This is the first site where I have had to do this, and more importantly, do this after (what I assume) was an attempt at an upgrade.

I do get that we are both somewhat anal in our standards for the proper use of rules of English grammar, with the only notable difference being that I only obsess with my postings whereas you obsess with all the postings. But this is your site and you are well within your rights to do so. Personally, if this was my site I'the just be grateful the site received any postings and not obsess with the grammar.

And while on the subject of discussing correcting grammar. Too bad your little script can't also fix asinine comments.

I see that HungHardRon and Jacbnimbie are holding hands and shouting across the playground that there are deficiencies regarding my genitalia. Normally I would respond directly (having criticized others for not doing likewise) but there comes a point where the comments are just too juvenile to be dignified with a response.

My girl and I are interested in coming down, what days are the most active?

Also, how strict is the age limit? (she's 19).

[QUOTE=RhymesWithRunt; 1287596]My girl and I are interested in coming down, what days are the most active?

Also, how strict is the age limit? (she's 19).[/QUOTE]Friday & Saturday nights would be the best. Sorry, the age limit is 21. I suspect that the store will quite strict with enforcing it, given all the attention that it received in the past. You could try CT's out at Gary.

[QUOTE=RhymesWithRunt; 1287596]My girl and I are interested in coming down, what days are the most active?

Also, how strict is the age limit? (she's 19).[/QUOTE]Their sign on the door says must be 21 or older.

While 18 is the legal age limit for adult businesses all businesses have the right to set the age above 18 for entering.

Because of the Fox News situation I would be surprised if they start lowering their own set age limit.

Making waves only makes it harder on the rest of us.

The last thing this place needs is for more drama.

JamesDowntstin is an [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. This is my first post and I've enjoyed going to 15th and reading USA for some time. It's been awhile since I've been there and have not met Lizco. He should not be critical of the ladies who play at the bookstore. Having sex at the store is a privilege not a right. Just because you pay a fee does not entitle you to anything. Every swingers club will make that statement. Public statements like this deter ladies such a Femcar from showing up. You should take your frustrations out on someone else, not someone like Lizco.

[QUOTE=Lizco; 1283108]James, I apologize now on this public forum if you think I am becoming a prima dona. Not my intentions at all. Never will be and I have asked for an idea on what behavior you have witnessed that makes you form that opinion. Yes I ask for men to show up polite, meaning. Just respect some of the boundaries that are set. I have VERY limited ones and yes it upsets me when I am playing with all comers and someone continues to cross the line after being asked not to.

SO to James and all you lovely men on this forum. Whatever this behavior I seemed to have acquired I apologize. PLEASE PM me anything you see I am doing wrong.[/QUOTE]

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Hello, all,

I was wondering if any of you knew of a place in the far southwest burbs that is similar to 15th. I am looking in the Joliet, New Lenox, Romeoville area. My wife is finally getting a little horny, and I am hoping to capitalize on her horny state.

Thank you,

Amonra

[QUOTE=AmonRa; 1292425]Hello, all,

I was wondering if any of you knew of a place in the far southwest burbs that is similar to 15th. I am looking in the Joliet, New Lenox, Romeoville area. My wife is finally getting a little horny, and I am hoping to capitalize on her horny state.

Thank you,

Amonra[/QUOTE]15th is the closest you will find, the rest from my understanding are in Central / Southern Illinois.