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Either this chick has two profiles or the scammer is getting lazy using pics of the same lady for two different locations. I doubt she's real. If she is real, she's a full time pro.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2fa1f2af-a105-4c89-a276-37ea4369c957[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf910c38-4b31-4a8f-9e47-65eb50fe24c1[/URL]
This lady was too easy to setup. So my escort radar was engaged. Then the day of the meet and greet, she wants to go directly to the hotel as her time was short that day. Yep. She's a pro. I went anyway, but met her in the parking lot in case the pics were way old to prevent Fatfishing. It was her. She's only slightly thicker than her pics. Yes, it was an escort experience as I expected. I just wanted to get the poison out. She only stayed 45 minutes. 1 pop. I won't repeat. Maybe other gents will have a more enjoyable result with her.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf24c968-bbbd-4789-bb8f-839929921fe8[/URL]
This lady wants 1. 5 k ppm or 6 k a month. I told her her previous guy was a gem and she should have never let him go. Next.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2a9ebf48-5af7-4b76-ad1c-e1e5573fc2e0
[QUOTE=HenryT458;6494506]This lady wants 1. 5 k ppm or 6 k a month. I told her her previous guy was a gem and she should have never let him go. Next.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2a9ebf48-5af7-4b76-ad1c-e1e5573fc2e0[/QUOTE]Jesus. Amy Anderssen, a bonafide porn start who still looks amazing (this girl has no chest at all) and isn't even past her 30's yet, only asks for 8 bennis. Sure that's for one hour but honestly, do you need that much more time to get, at best, 2 nuts off with, I will repeat, an actual porn star?
[QUOTE=Skyguy2;6493147]I hate to beat a dead horse and jump on the "ridiculous expectations" bandwagon, but I genuinely hope I'm not the only one out there giving some of these ladies with unrealistic numbers a reality check. I've fished on both SA and SB and found similar levels of ridiculousness on both recently. Here are but a couple of the latest examples:
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/3cceb2c0c979bd7c[/URL]
This first one (little brunette) caught my eye because she is the type (physically) I generally go for. But when she said she was only available from 3-7 on weekdays and "usually gets" 600 ppm, I actually laughed. Loudly.
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/4d80c051909eb8b4[/URL]
This second one looked nice with the cleavage pics, but when you see her face in the profile video, and she says "my previous arrangements decided on 4-500 ppm" . I call bullshit..[/QUOTE]Of course these women throw out numbers from 400-600. These are manageable starting points in my mind. I'm used to 250-500 (but never 500 on an unknown). If I'm willing to pay 400. I don't tell them that if they ask me to give a number 1st just like they won't tell you how low they will go when giving a number 1st. In my experience 500 means, I'll take 400 and 600 means I'll take 500.400 often means 350 and 300 if I really like you. 1 K means, I'm too lazy to even continue that conversation and she can move to the next target.
[QUOTE=Skyguy2;6493147]I hate to beat a dead horse and jump on the "ridiculous expectations" bandwagon, but I genuinely hope I'm not the only one out there giving some of these ladies with unrealistic numbers a reality check. I've fished on both SA and SB and found similar levels of ridiculousness on both recently. Here are but a couple of the latest examples:
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/3cceb2c0c979bd7c[/URL]
This first one (little brunette) caught my eye because she is the type (physically) I generally go for. But when she said she was only available from 3-7 on weekdays and "usually gets" 600 ppm, I actually laughed. Loudly.
[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/4d80c051909eb8b4[/URL]
This second one looked nice with the cleavage pics, but when you see her face in the profile video, and she says "my previous arrangements decided on 4-500 ppm" . I call bullshit.
I understand there is a huge difference between SW's, escorts, and true SB's. I've had very successful (long and short term) SB arrangements in the past. But these girls need to get off the Reddit Kool-Aid and realize what they are offering and expecting are worlds apart right now.
Rant over.[/QUOTE]Standard PPMs are at least 300 these days. You may be able to shell out less than that but don't hold your breath.
I've noticed that before covid you had a solid chance of meeting up at a bar or cafe and planning to go back to your place without negotiating on a specific number for PPM. Nowadays, stating what your PPM is over text is required. In fact, giving estimated ranges of PPM is no longer accepted. In short, girls will not meet you unless you tell them specifically over text your exact dollar amount PPM. Most of the time there is no way to budge off this, you either give the exact number or they won't meet.
With that being said, anything lower than a 300 PPM offering gets you an immediate response of "sorry this isn't going to work. I wish you luck, good bye!
You could try to finesse your way into giving a lower PPM by drawing it out over text and using advanced negotiation tactics. You would have to start at the low end of her PPM scale and then try to knock the number down from there through negotiation. Not easy to do at all through text and most of the time it doesn't work, very low success rate.
To get a sure fire result and skip through all of this mess, you'd have to be willing to offer 400 or 500 PPM as a baseline for all girls. This is something I highly highly do not recommend in doing. For various reasons. The first is that the experience you will get will most likely not be worth it. And the second is that you are ramping up market rates in your area significantly, and causing more damage to the bowl in your area as a whole. If all the guys in the area keep prices low, then that will help all of us in the long run, because the SBs can do nothing about it. It's only when the whales decide to start dumping way too much money down which leads to problems.
My prediction is that ever since seeking has gotten harder and harder in the last few years, the guys that have money and are uber rich (most likely not browsing this forum) have decided to increase their PPMs by a LOT. These whales are noticing that the competition is getting fierce, so their response is to double and triple up their PPMs. Which is why you will see some of these girls claiming that they're getting much higher PPMs than before, such as 600-800+.
So to summarize: the girls are increasing PPMs due to inflation and other factors, competition for these girls gets fiercer on seeking, the guys are responding by shelling out higher and higher PPM, this reinforces the high prices.
Even if most guys do not increase their PPMs, all it takes is a few whales to give some of the more desirable girls these very high PPMs. These more desirable girls then post and brag about it on social media such as reddit and tik tok, and suddenly now all of the average girls are brain washed into thinking they can get these higher PPMs too. And that's how you end up in the situation we are in now where every girl is asking for high PPM.
In short, the situation is not good and I don't see it improving. In fact quite the opposite, I see things and I see seeking getting worse as time goes on.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6495160]Standard PPMs are at least 300 these days. You may be able to shell out less than that but don't hold your breath.
I've noticed that before covid you had a solid chance of meeting up at a bar or cafe and planning to go back to your place without negotiating on a specific number for PPM. Nowadays, stating what your PPM is over text is required. In fact, giving estimated ranges of PPM is no longer accepted. In short, girls will not meet you unless you tell them specifically over text your exact dollar amount PPM. Most of the time there is no way to budge off this, you either give the exact number or they won't meet.
With that being said, anything lower than a 300 PPM offering gets you an immediate response of "sorry this isn't going to work. I wish you luck, good bye!
You could try to finesse your way into giving a lower PPM by drawing it out over text and using advanced negotiation tactics. You would have to start at the low end of her PPM scale and then try to knock the number down from there through negotiation. Not easy to do at all through text and most of the time it doesn't work, very low success rate.
To get a sure fire result and skip through all of this mess, you'd have to be willing to offer 400 or 500 PPM as a baseline for all girls. This is something I highly highly do not recommend in doing. For various reasons. The first is that the experience you will get will most likely not be worth it. And the second is that you are ramping up market rates in your area significantly, and causing more damage to the bowl in your area as a whole. If all the guys in the area keep prices low, then that will help all of us in the long run, because the SBs can do nothing about it. It's only when the whales decide to start dumping way too much money down which leads to problems.
My prediction is that ever since seeking has gotten harder and harder in the last few years, the guys that have money and are uber rich (most likely not browsing this forum) have decided to increase their PPMs by a LOT. These whales are noticing that the competition is getting fierce, so their response is to double and triple up their PPMs. Which is why you will see some of these girls claiming that they're getting much higher PPMs than before, such as 600-800+.
So to summarize: the girls are increasing PPMs due to inflation and other factors, competition for these girls gets fiercer on seeking, the guys are responding by shelling out higher and higher PPM, this reinforces the high prices.
Even if most guys do not increase their PPMs, all it takes is a few whales to give some of the more desirable girls these very high PPMs. These more desirable girls then post and brag about it on social media such as reddit and tik tok, and suddenly now all of the average girls are brain washed into thinking they can get these higher PPMs too. And that's how you end up in the situation we are in now where every girl is asking for high PPM.
In short, the situation is not good and I don't see it improving. In fact quite the opposite, I see things and I see seeking getting worse as time goes on.[/QUOTE]I've talked about this in the past in other threads but essentially, the stock market went bonkers over the pandemic and the fed injected a ton of liquidity into the market before and during the pandemic which is why you have all these dystopian distortions.
The boomers with $$ are ruining it for everyone else.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6495160]Standard PPMs are at least 300 these days. You may be able to shell out less than that but don't hold your breath.
I've noticed that before covid you had a solid chance of meeting up at a bar or cafe and planning to go back to your place without negotiating on a specific number for PPM. Nowadays, stating what your PPM is over text is required. In fact, giving estimated ranges of PPM is no longer accepted. In short, girls will not meet you unless you tell them specifically over text your exact dollar amount PPM. Most of the time there is no way to budge off this, you either give the exact number or they won't meet.
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To get a sure fire result and skip through all of this mess, you'd have to be willing to offer 400 or 500 PPM as a baseline for all girls...
My prediction is that ever since seeking has gotten harder and harder in the last few years, the guys that have money and are uber rich (most likely not browsing this forum) have decided to increase their PPMs by a LOT. These whales are noticing that the competition is getting fierce, so their response is to double and triple up their PPMs. Which is why you will see some of these girls claiming that they're getting much higher PPMs than before, such as 600-800+.[/QUOTE]I've been in this game (quietly) for years. I'm not above investing 3-400 in a quality girl (ppm) that truly knows what a SB is. But there's no way in hell I'm donating 6-700 to an unknown entity let alone 4-500 for a below average looking one. I'll keep playing the game and fighting the good fight. At least until I get bored and retire LOL.
Next case in point. Cute but too thick to be expecting 700 ppm:
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7bb081a5-a553-40f4-ac32-6535e02dfbe1[/URL]
I met her maybe 2 years ago and I was newish for S. A. She a SW by the looks of things I could not find anything at the time. Running her number or scanning other sites. She had her own room in Camden on a busy street with row homes. She was about 2. 0 or 2 5 for what she wanted. Looks alot rougher than her pics and that was 2 years ago. Definitely rap it up. I still went forward even though everything was sus and there were some young dudes hanging outside. So in the middle of it all. Someone bangs on the door. Another girl pops in and says Joe schmoe left his tools and is coming to get them. Now it definitely sounds like a scam. So I got dressed and was out the door. She did run after me and said she wanted to finish and was very sorry. She did seem legit. But my momentum was gone she even texted me again. But she was definitely not up to what I am looking for in terms of someone that was posing as a non pro. Maybe she is legit now. But I wouldn't trust it.
Just some more advice on these inflated prices. You guys can definitely get these girls for 3 and under. First the economiy pulling back. You have to reflect to them that you are a safe individual and not some perv. If you are acting all rich and shit. Yeah, I would charge you up, too. If you pester them and act all desperate. Yeah, you are going to get charged up. Take your time. Have some small talk ask them how are you doing and don't jump into the sex talk right away. Jeeze these girl are people too. Now I don't screw around either. I probably blocked more girls than they have me. That's another reason why I don't have links. If the arrangement didn't work or they flaked I block them or they have GPS. So when you block these high end girls they start to think. Maybe I was just lucky or maybe I am alittle high. Have some back bone guys. If a large amount of dudes start standing their ground some will come back to earth. I am not even active on seeking I have over 40 messages, and that was about a month. LOL yeah 95 percent are time wasters, scammers and GPS. But when I activate my account I am sure I will have no problem pulling a few decent girls for 3 or under. I do understand some of you guys don't have time for all that and just want to get it on. I think some of my appeal to all this is I am pulling average young girls that you would see in the store or walking down the street. I would say dam I would like some of that. The funny thing BC of SB sites you can, you meet them and 30 minutes later you are, give them a few Benz But if you did that outside to random girls and you didn't present yourself right. You might be talking to the popo.
When I was buying my 1st car in the late 80's early 90's for about 15 K new, a good escort cost 150-200. Almost 30 years later, I just can find the energy to complain that a SB wants 300-500. Of course I have met talked to more women above that range than below it. I'm still amazed when a non druggie or non SW is offering services at escort prices from 30 years ago. I think our complaints on prices speak to the stagnation of the middle class. Many professionals in the industries like tech make 4 to 5 times what they made in the 90's. So I totally understand both sides of this argument.
So I signed up for SB about two weeks ago and bought some credits. I quickly established communications with several women and a few seemed promising. We had nice chats, agreed to meeting, I proposed PPM of $200 and they agreed and said they would like to meet. I proposed several days / or evenings and at that point, the conversations tend to drop, but lo and behold, another new "friend" shows up on SB wanting to get together and the process starts over. Not sure if I'm imagining it, or do they have really good AI bots that carry on conversations really well to get you to keep clicking?
Seems like there's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear. (sorry Steve Stills!
Anyone else see this? Or am I too paranoid from reading too much into it?
[QUOTE=HolySheite;6495818]So I signed up for SB about two weeks ago and bought some credits. I quickly established communications with several women and a few seemed promising. We had nice chats, agreed to meeting, I proposed PPM of $200 and they agreed and said they would like to meet. I proposed several days / or evenings and at that point, the conversations tend to drop, but lo and behold, another new "friend" shows up on SB wanting to get together and the process starts over. Not sure if I'm imagining it, or do they have really good AI bots that carry on conversations really well to get you to keep clicking?
Seems like there's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear. (sorry Steve Stills!
Anyone else see this? Or am I too paranoid from reading too much into it?[/QUOTE]Delete your account right now. Trust me, all you'll be doing is wasting money on the sites that make you pay for those fucking moronic credits. Regardless of it's just flakes or scammers or bots, they want to slowly leech money away from you via the micro transaction method that free to play video games use. Go on subscription based ones instead.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fb358180-d6be-456c-8bac-dc086ebd8af1[/URL]
This one IS real but she immediately starts with the sob stories. "Cash app me please, I need money for gas / food / bills" I know she isn't a fake because I had her do a verification pic but she figures she'll convince guys with her pics and just wants to get what she can then ditch. She was also going by Sadiexoxo but that account was closed so already a red flag.
On that note, what do the rest of you guys do with girls you do like mostly, but who want you to always send them money because of them being so poor? I was seeing one woman but she started to keep asking for more and more help without an actual meet. Sure we did still meet but every few days it was "I need money for food" or "My phone is going to turn off I need a little help for paying the bill" Usually 40-60 which isn't a lot but it started to get really annoying. How do you guys handle that?
I saw the first one in black top and colored panties. Sydney.
Met her over 2 years ago. Wouldn't let me finish in her mouth and no bare sex.
Recently we reconnected.
And now I recall why I let her go.
She's unreliable to start.
Was supposed to meet on a Monday night at my house 8 pm.
Messaged her multiple times that night with no reply.
Finally at 10 pm she lets me know something came up.
Same shit on Tuesday.
Wednesday asks to meet at 6 pm.
I said yes but please shower and groom before you come.
Ends up texting me at 8 pm that she's on her way.
I asked did she shower? She tells me in the morning.
Fuck!! I should have cancelled.
She shows up looking like she just rolled out of bed.
Sweatpants. Tube socks. Hair tied up.
Brings her backpack in and plugs in her laptop.
Goes into the bathroom and grabs a washcloth to clean herself.
At this point I can't turn back.
$200. Bbj and BBFS.
I had to show proof of an std test and vasectomy to get that.
15 min later she's on her way home.
I text her the next day telling her I'm not interested in seeing her again.
She had the nerve to say she isn't either because I'm cheap and she normally gets $400-500.
I said WTF. You Show up unshowered and look like you just woke up.
Cancelled 2 Nights and then show up over 2 hrs late the 3rd night.
I tell her every woman I've met showered and groomed before coming.
I would definitely avoid her. I don't know who the fuck is crazy enough pay her $400.
This is why my first meet is always limited to $100 BJ or $200 BBFS for a quick meet.
Call me cheap but I'm not wasting $500 on an unknown encounter.
[QUOTE=JDRedBull;6490602]A friend of mine. Or my friend had a dream. LOL.
Let's just say someone I might know told me he sticks to 150 to 250.
Now he sent me some pics to back it up. Granted these aren't all day meetings. Maybe an hour. One event, for multiple events in one day maybe more. No dinners etc. He stills sees some of them. So no links sorry, but if you been with them I am sure you might know them.
Girls aren't 10's. Maybe 6's and 7's. Some are alittle chunky, but he does like big breast. For One or two of the girls the meeting didn't happen, but the amount was agreed on. My friend is 50 plus years old over 6 ft fit. Nothing special.
Now to help keep things in check. My friend and I were told by a few of the girls on one of these S D sites. Now they said this BC they were mad that I didn't agree to there numbers. But I keep this in my head while chatting with them. "What normal man pays for sex". I say to myself and them. Which she is kind of right. I just say what's it worth. Hmm. Well, a girl that's at least half my age. Average to good looking. Does almost everything I want sexually and I don't need to take them anywere. Yeah that's probably good for couple Benz. Definitely not 400 or 500. I am middle-class at best. I tell myself if I would have put that extra 200 to 300 which adds up to alot in a month into the stock market or even gold, bitcoin etc. I would be up alot more. Now if you have cash to burn. Great. My friend and I are are just trying to keep the numbers at a reasonable level. But to each is own. My friend and I may do 3. For the first meet. On going NO.
Also please get yourself check out.
Trick is floating around and guys can have zero symptoms. If you go bare. It's probably better to pull out then to leave your stuff in them, so you don't have stuff swimming back in you. Take a piss and wash your junk.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KCesar68;6496980]Delete your account right now. Trust me, all you'll be doing is wasting money on the sites that make you pay for those fucking moronic credits. Regardless of it's just flakes or scammers or bots, they want to slowly leech money away from you via the micro transaction method that free to play video games use. Go on subscription based ones instead.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fb358180-d6be-456c-8bac-dc086ebd8af1[/URL]
This one IS real but she immediately starts with the sob stories. "Cash app me please, I need money for gas / food / bills" I know she isn't a fake because I had her do a verification pic but she figures she'll convince guys with her pics and just wants to get what she can then ditch. She was also going by Sadiexoxo but that account was closed so already a red flag.
On that note, what do the rest of you guys do with girls you do like mostly, but who want you to always send them money because of them being so poor? I was seeing one woman but she started to keep asking for more and more help without an actual meet. Sure we did still meet but every few days it was "I need money for food" or "My phone is going to turn off I need a little help for paying the bill" Usually 40-60 which isn't a lot but it started to get really annoying. How do you guys handle that?[/QUOTE]I learned a long time ago to never deal with desperate people! If they care that much about the money or some substance, they'll do anything to get it, even put your safety at risk!
[QUOTE=KCesar68;6496980]Delete your account right now. Trust me, all you'll be doing is wasting money on the sites that make you pay for those fucking moronic credits. Regardless of it's just flakes or scammers or bots, they want to slowly leech money away from you via the micro transaction method that free to play video games use. Go on subscription based ones instead.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fb358180-d6be-456c-8bac-dc086ebd8af1[/URL]
This one IS real but she immediately starts with the sob stories. "Cash app me please, I need money for gas / food / bills" I know she isn't a fake because I had her do a verification pic but she figures she'll convince guys with her pics and just wants to get what she can then ditch. She was also going by Sadiexoxo but that account was closed so already a red flag.
On that note, what do the rest of you guys do with girls you do like mostly, but who want you to always send them money because of them being so poor? I was seeing one woman but she started to keep asking for more and more help without an actual meet. Sure we did still meet but every few days it was "I need money for food" or "My phone is going to turn off I need a little help for paying the bill" Usually 40-60 which isn't a lot but it started to get really annoying. How do you guys handle that?[/QUOTE]I learned a long time ago to never deal with desperate people! If they care that much about the money or some substance, they'll do anything to get it, even put your safety at risk!