The Massholes

[QUOTE=Yellowfever023;2257806]What I was told was the same story Yard heard and I heard it from the same girl. This girl told me what happened on her orientation day when she did a ride along with you, Kat and Freya, witnessing Kat injecting her medication etc. Yard and I compared notes and her story was very consistent leading me to believe her story was accurate. She made it very clear that you were in charge and were aggressively recruiting her. I have smelled lots of BS in my life and this girls story passed the sniff test with flying colors. I have no doubt Kat was involved in the recruiting of girls as I am sure one girl making the sales pitch to another girl is a much easier than getting the pitch from a guy but I feel that was the extent of Kat's managerial duties.

I also met another girl at a strip club in Prov and I ended up meeting with her outside the club and we got talking, turns out she was a prior employee of RT and she described the same management structure as the other girl and the IV drug use by Kat and all the other street recruits. I don't remember the exact details but she also told me you had threatened to take her to court for something to do with the agency (I would have loved to have heard the courtroom testimony). The bottom line here is that all the girls who worked for either RT or GG were all drug addicts and Kat was just a front for the agencies.[/QUOTE]The only legal action I know of was a copyright violation case, I'd assume that was the stripper. If the other girl is who I think it was, she was rather upset when Kat told her that there wasn't as much demand for black girls. She was a friend of Freya's if I recall correctly, so Kat told her she would still put her on though if she wanted, but couldn't make any guarantees.

[QUOTE=Yardape08;2257803]Again that's not what I heard. After I had written a review here with one of the Royal Touch girls who I had seen outside the agency she specifically mentioned "He" threatened to take me to court because she wasn't allowed to see anyone independently. The poor girl was visibly shaken. I laughed and told her she had nothing to worry about. Then Nyx trashed her about her drug use on the board here and she told me "funny she would say that because she shoots up too and in fact we've shot up together". She told me she actually liked Nyx very much even after all that had been threatened. So you can say she had an axe to grind but she didn't seem at all disingenuous to me.

The one time I did use the agency when I called to set up the appointment a male answered and booked me I suspect that was you. And I'm sure you also drove her to my place. She was constantly looking at the clock and when I asked her about it she said she was warned to try and make the clients get off as quick as possible and get out of there. This girl was visibly nervous and appeared intimidated by you and Nyx.

Another girl who was a friend of Freya clearly said that you were the one in charge. Although she was heavily recruited and pestered by you she never ended up working there. She was the one who drove around with you, Freya and Nyx to get a feel for the game. She didn't appear to have an axe to grind but rather was just making comments about her observations including Nyx shooting up next to her in the backseat of your car.

There was a 4th girl who I saw independently who used to work for Royal Touch. She mentioned you hassling her to take new pictures and also was emphatic that it was you who was in charge.

You may deny it but I'm on board with PW's it walks like a duck theory.[/QUOTE]Answering phones wasn't my job, I may or may not have driven her (there were two other drivers). I know that Nyx did have all the girls sign contracts, which one of her attorney friends drew up for her. I had to sign a contract too for my photography services, as well as a non-disclosure agreement since I was privy to personal information because of my need to comply with 18 USC §§ 2257. My job was to keep pictures updated, and some girls weren't very good at keeping their scheduled shoots. So there were certainly times that I'd had to "hassle" them about it. Nyx was very emphatic about having all the girls have new pics at least every three months, and I was the one who had to listen to her complain if it wasn't done. Some girls may have had a false impression of things, because they often had more contact with me than they did with her (between me doing shoots and driving). Many of them wouldn't see Nyx for weeks at a time, and I often had to relay messages to them from her. But the core girls who were around for years had no doubt who was running things.

[QUOTE=HoHunter328;2257714]You of course conveniently neglected to mention that the reason she took a little vacation (she was only gone for a weekend) was because you called Uncle LEO on her.[/QUOTE]Your the one who turned in Cassidy T Devil? Looking back at your post 90 % were about her. The other 10 % were Admin deleted. And you have video of her too? Your a dangerous person.

[QUOTE=SouthsideMike;2257937]Your the one who turned in Cassidy T Devil? Looking back at your post 90 % were about her. The other 10 % were Admin deleted. And you have video of her too? Your a dangerous person.[/QUOTE]Southside Mike, I am not sure where you're getting your info but if its from Ho Hunter I seriously question your intelligence. I know Cassidy and never ever would I turn her into uncle LEO. I never ever anywhere ever in any of my posts or anywhere else indicated I have any videos of her. As for Ho Hunters accusations they are completely 100% false. Jack has stated she was gone for a weekend? False she was sectioned voluntarily by the courts to WATC and if you know anything about this you know they don't keep you for the weekend. If you'd like to verify this I can give you her moms number as she took her to the court to do it. She was out for a couple of weeks tops when her mother just sectioned her again. She has been there since last Friday and just finished detoxing. She could be there for up to 90 days at this point. Again if you'd like to verify I can give you her mothers number. She will also tell you I never called uncle LEO on her. Never happened. I am wondering given the amount of time she has been locked up Jack could possibly be seeing her multiple times a week as he has asserted? He also indicated she was a casual drug user? Curious if that's the case why would she need to be sectioned? Why also when I bring these things up in this forum my posts disappear and are never posted yet you can misquote one of my statements in a post that was never posted? Curious.

[QUOTE=HoHunter328;2257872]The only legal action I know of was a copyright violation case, I'd assume that was the stripper. If the other girl is who I think it was, she was rather upset when Kat told her that there wasn't as much demand for black girls. She was a friend of Freya's if I recall correctly, so Kat told her she would still put her on though if she wanted, but couldn't make any guarantees.[/QUOTE]There is no demand for black girls? Come on, now you are insulting my intelligence along with every member of this site. I am not saying every monger is into black girls but I feel comfortable saying there is a demand for black girls especially when they are attractive and polite, I think the heroin was clouding Kat's judgment. Could it be that this black girl realized she was not going to make any money with your agency due to your driving and agency fee's? Not to mention she was just out of rehab and did not want to be exposed to the drug use. As far as the stripper goes I don't remember her saying anything about copyright infringement, it had something to do with her seeing a customer without your agency get a cut (again I would have loved to hear that court testimony).

Both of these girls are very down to earth and had no reason to lie to me, What would they have to gain from lying to me? As far as I am concerned I agree with Yard and PW.

Quack Quack.

[QUOTE=Yellowfever023;2258109]There is no demand for black girls? Come on, now you are insulting my intelligence along with every member of this site. I am not saying every monger is into black girls but I feel comfortable saying there is a demand for black girls especially when they are attractive and polite, I think the heroin was clouding Kat's judgment. Could it be that this black girl realized she was not going to make any money with your agency due to your driving and agency fee's? Not to mention she was just out of rehab and did not want to be exposed to the drug use. As far as the stripper goes I don't remember her saying anything about copyright infringement, it had something to do with her seeing a customer without your agency get a cut (again I would have loved to hear that court testimony).

Both of these girls are very down to earth and had no reason to lie to me, What would they have to gain from lying to me? As far as I am concerned I agree with Yard and PW.

Quack Quack.[/QUOTE]She didn't say [I]any[/I] demand, she said [I]less[/I] demand. She'd had two other black girls working for her previously, both attractive (see attached pics), but both got significantly less business than the other girls and left within a month.

If it wasn't the copyright case, then I have no idea. The one I'm thinking of was fired by Kat for stealing a watch from a client, and then tried to use the RT pictures with the number cropped off to advertise on her own. I know she was a stripper, so naturally I assumed it was her you were referring to.

As far as Kat's contracts with the girls, remember that escorting is legal, that's why there's ads for it in newspapers, yellow pages, and online. I never read the girls contract, but I was told there was a clause prohibiting any communication with clients outside of the agency which included a monetary penalty for violation. The girls had to sign and have it notarized before she would give them any work.

A better question is what do I have to gain by lying? The facts are that Kat is gone, and the agency closed when she retired. I'm still here though, so if I were running things wouldn't the agency still be here as well? It's not like the girls weren't still there. Freya went independent, Aurora went to work for RSG, Venus went independent briefly then retired as well, Luna is still around somewhere (she calls me once in a while), Maeve is still around and independent under a different name, Syn went independent then disappeared.

[QUOTE=Bozscaggs;2257899]That's some new news.[/QUOTE]So just posting to post senior. I have given a lot of good reports, TOFTT last time. Would like to see something of value from you.

[QUOTE=TDevil;2258007]Southside Mike, I am not sure where you're getting your info but if its from Ho Hunter I seriously question your intelligence. I know Cassidy and never ever would I turn her into uncle LEO. I never ever anywhere ever in any of my posts or anywhere else indicated I have any videos of her. As for Ho Hunters accusations they are completely 100% false. Jack has stated she was gone for a weekend? False she was sectioned voluntarily by the courts to WATC and if you know anything about this you know they don't keep you for the weekend. If you'd like to verify this I can give you her moms number as she took her to the court to do it. She was out for a couple of weeks tops when her mother just sectioned her again. She has been there since last Friday and just finished detoxing. She could be there for up to 90 days at this point. Again if you'd like to verify I can give you her mothers number. She will also tell you I never called uncle LEO on her. Never happened. I am wondering given the amount of time she has been locked up Jack could possibly be seeing her multiple times a week as he has asserted? He also indicated she was a casual drug user? Curious if that's the case why would she need to be sectioned? Why also when I bring these things up in this forum my posts disappear and are never posted yet you can misquote one of my statements in a post that was never posted? Curious.[/QUOTE]I'm curious. Why do you have such a fixation to harass and discredit her then? And video? That's a disturbing statement in itself. Wail away. Your post won't get deleted here.

[QUOTE=SouthsideMike;2258128]I'm curious. Why do you have such a fixation to harass and discredit her then? And video? That's a disturbing statement in itself. Wail away. Your post won't get deleted here.[/QUOTE]Mike,

I have no fixation with discrediting or Harass her. The reviews were an honest account of my experiences with her. She knows about them and we have talked at great lengths about them. Most of the ones that were pulled down were at my request to the moderator due to conversations I had with her. My reasons for them are between her and I. No I am not her pimp. Never have been never will be. Our relationship is purely between her and I. As for The video, there is a video of her nodding off in broad daylight in a door way. I didn't take it nor do I poses a copy. It was posted on face book in a private group. I was directed to it by a mutual friend and have seen it. Again I did not shoot the video or post it. That being said my intentions have never been to hurt her only to see her get the help she needs. I am in close contact with her family and her. She's a hard core addict who is sick both physically and emotionally. She was on a downward spiral and needed serious help. Hopefully she will stick with a program and never ever be back on the streets again. As for Jack he is what he is. A bottom feeding parasite. He is nothing more than a pimp who tried his damnedest to recruit her off the street. He can throw out little curve balls like saying I called uncle LEO on her to divert attention from himself and the real truth. That truth being that he is nothing more than a pimp profiting from the ills of these young girls. I don't begrudge anyone in the hobby or the girls who provide a service to them. What happens between to consenting adults of sound mind is no business of mine. However, its guys like Jack aka Ho Hunter that make me sick. He is an opportunistic leach feeding off of the weakest of society. I hope this answers all of you questions.

[QUOTE=HappyDave;2258127]So just posting to post senior. I have given a lot of good reports, TOFTT last time. Would like to see something of value from you.[/QUOTE]LOL got to love those people. Sadly even if he's senior people wI'll remember he hasn't contributed.

[QUOTE=TDevil;2258319]Mike,

I have no fixation with discrediting or Harass her. The reviews were an honest account of my experiences with her. She knows about them and we have talked at great lengths about them. Most of the ones that were pulled down were at my request to the moderator due to conversations I had with her. My reasons for them are between her and I. No I am not her pimp. Never have been never will be. Our relationship is purely between her and I. As for The video, there is a video of her nodding off in broad daylight in a door way. I didn't take it nor do I poses a copy. It was posted on face book in a private group. I was directed to it by a mutual friend and have seen it. Again I did not shoot the video or post it. That being said my intentions have never been to hurt her only to see her get the help she needs. I am in close contact with her family and her. She's a hard core addict who is sick both physically and emotionally. She was on a downward spiral and needed serious help. Hopefully she will stick with a program and never ever be back on the streets again. As for Jack he is what he is. A bottom feeding parasite. He is nothing more than a pimp who tried his damnedest to recruit her off the street. He can throw out little curve balls like saying I called uncle LEO on her to divert attention from himself and the real truth. That truth being that he is nothing more than a pimp profiting from the ills of these young girls. I don't begrudge anyone in the hobby or the girls who provide a service to them. What happens between to consenting adults of sound mind is no business of mine. However, its guys like Jack aka Ho Hunter that make me sick. He is an opportunistic leach feeding off of the weakest of society. I hope this answers all of you questions.[/QUOTE]That's certainly not what she told me about you. The fact is that you were jealous, and did everything you could to keep others from seeing her. When that failed, you called Uncle LEO. If you couldn't have her, then no one could.

While it pains me to defend you in any way, I can confirm that the video in question was not your doing. It was someone she had gone to school with.

There's a lot more I could say on this topic, but not without betraying her confidence in me. So unfortunately I have to remain silent.

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[QUOTE=SouthsideMike;2258128]I'm curious. Why do you have such a fixation to harass and discredit her then? And video? That's a disturbing statement in itself. Wail away. Your post won't get deleted here.[/QUOTE]Mike,

So much for not being deleted. I threatened no one. Period. Interesting when someone questions the great Ho Hunter with facts that can't be refuted its deleted and threatened with banishment. Even in the Masshole thread.

[QUOTE=TDevil;2258729]Mike,

So much for not being deleted. I threatened no one. Period. Interesting when someone questions the great Ho Hunter with facts that can't be refuted its deleted and threatened with banishment. Even in the Masshole thread.[/QUOTE][BLUE]You are correct, you didn't directly threaten him personally, you tried to dance around the idea of saying that somebody you knew would cause another member physical harm. If I say "keep doing this behavior and I will come to Boston and kick your ass." That would be a direct threat. If I said "If you keep doing this then member X would love to see you in person." That would be threatening behavior, I admit, it's a step up from threatening you directly but it's still a threat of bodily harm and not allowed on this forum. If I read it wrong, drop me a PM and explain it.

The purpose of threads like this is to call other guys assholes, you know, keyboard warrior stuff. You crossed the line by taking it into reality.

I could give a fuck less who the other guy is, I have no favorites on this forum. I will admit that I think Bacon Bites writes the most original insults but I'd still throw a flag at him if he said the same thing to you.

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[QUOTE=Admin2;2258851][BLUE]You are correct, you didn't directly threaten him personally, you tried to dance around the idea of saying that somebody you knew would cause another member physical harm. If I say "keep doing this behavior and I will come to Boston and kick your ass." That would be a direct threat. If I said "If you keep doing this then member X would love to see you in person." That would be threatening behavior, I admit, it's a step up from threatening you directly but it's still a threat of bodily harm and not allowed on this forum. If I read it wrong, drop me a PM and explain it.

The purpose of threads like this is to call other guys assholes, you know, keyboard warrior stuff. You crossed the line by taking it into reality.

I could give a fuck less who the other guy is, I have no favorites on this forum. I will admit that I think Bacon Bites writes the most original insults but I'd still throw a flag at him if he said the same thing to you.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I am sorry I misunderstood I thought this was the unrestricted MassHole thread? There was no veiled or unveiled threat all I said was someone wanted to meet the guy. I didn't threaten him. For all anyone knew the could have wanted to have tea with the guy. That said if it got your panties in a bunch you didn't need to remove the entire post. The last line was the only line which could have possible been misunderstood by anyone with a limited intellect. All you had to do was redact or edit as anyone else would have done. By deleting the entire post it appears you are protecting the person or in this case scumbag it was directed at. You loose all credibility by doing so in a supposedly un-restricted thread.