"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;5062815]That was years ago, the game is much different today.[/QUOTE]Once again, the experience in the sugar dating scene is highly dependent on your preference in sugar babies. If you don't mind the "semi pro" sb's then you really can have a pretty simple transactional experience without all the drama and bs. The ones that are harder to get and require more time and effort are the younger new babies. In my experience, the new young ones need the arrangement t feel more like a relationship which means you're going to hear all about their personal lives and the drama that typical 18-22 yo's deal with on a daily basis. There is a lot more work (read headache) involved in consistently getting them to the fc. For me personally, the chase is half the fun as long as I always see the target in the distance. My biggest gripe is the ones that pretend they are really looking for a sd and spend days / weeks talking to you only to disappear without any explanation.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;5063074]Once again, the experience in the sugar dating scene is highly dependent on your preference in sugar babies. If you don't mind the "semi pro" sb's then you really can have a pretty simple transactional experience without all the drama and bs. The ones that are harder to get and require more time and effort are the younger new babies. In my experience, the new young ones need the arrangement t feel more like a relationship which means you're going to hear all about their personal lives and the drama that typical 18-22 yo's deal with on a daily basis. There is a lot more work (read headache) involved in consistently getting them to the fc. For me personally, the chase is half the fun as long as I always see the target in the distance. My biggest gripe is the ones that pretend they are really looking for a sd and spend days / weeks talking to you only to disappear without any explanation.[/QUOTE]More dependent on your approach as a consumer. The younger new babies are easy for me to get to the FC. But unlike many guys here, this is solely about sex to me. I couldn't care less about the girls, their problems, or their lives outside of my FC. That vibe comes through, and I don't hear much about their problems (although they clearly are pretty comfortable with me.) I don't do dates before the FC, except for the occasional coffee with a really green 18 yo. Never done a dinner, never will.

SB's are just h*okers that want to maintain the fiction they aren't. As long as they can maintain that delusion, they are usually happy to behave pretty much exactly like ho*kers.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;5063074]Once again, the experience in the sugar dating scene is highly dependent on your preference in sugar babies. If you don't mind the "semi pro" sb's then you really can have a pretty simple transactional experience without all the drama and bs. The ones that are harder to get and require more time and effort are the younger new babies. In my experience, the new young ones need the arrangement t feel more like a relationship which means you're going to hear all about their personal lives and the drama that typical 18-22 yo's deal with on a daily basis. There is a lot more work (read headache) involved in consistently getting them to the fc. For me personally, the chase is half the fun as long as I always see the target in the distance. My biggest gripe is the ones that pretend they are really looking for a sd and spend days / weeks talking to you only to disappear without any explanation.[/QUOTE]Again, It's highly dependent on YOU.

I'm not on there looking for semi pro's at all. I also don't seem to have the same workload or issues getting 18-22 why / o, 9's and 10's that are new or very low volume to the FC that is constantly spoken about on here. In 2020, if they're on the site then they know what it entails but they're always looking for an easy buck without spreading their legs. If they're pretending with you then they probably think they can turn you into an easy ATM run somewhere down the line.

I look at it differently. I see it like when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

If you approach profiles like hookers, that is all you will find. Women looking for more of a relationship will be scared off. If approach profiles like a normal dating relationship, women looking for a sugar relationship will be all you find and you will scare away the hookers.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5063117]More dependent on your approach as a consumer. The younger new babies are easy for me to get to the FC. But unlike many guys here, this is solely about sex to me. I couldn't care less about the girls, their problems, or their lives outside of my FC. That vibe comes through, and I don't hear much about their problems (although they clearly are pretty comfortable with me.) I don't do dates before the FC, except for the occasional coffee with a really green 18 yo. Never done a dinner, never will.

SB's are just h*okers that want to maintain the fiction they aren't. As long as they can maintain that delusion, they are usually happy to behave pretty much exactly like ho*kers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;5063349]Again, It's highly dependent on YOU.

I'm not on there looking for semi pro's at all. I also don't seem to have the same workload or issues getting 18-22 why / o, 9's and 10's that are new or very low volume to the FC that is constantly spoken about on here. In 2020, if they're on the site then they know what it entails but they're always looking for an easy buck without spreading their legs. If they're pretending with you then they probably think they can turn you into an easy ATM run somewhere down the line.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm just more particular and our ideas of what's a 9 or 10 are different. I'm a relatively decent looking and in shape guy and have no problem throwing more money at these girls than they probably deserve yet it's still virtually impossible to get them to commit to FC.

My search criteria is
18-22
White or Asian
Slim or Athletic
Up to 250 miles from my location.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;5063432]Maybe I'm just more particular and our ideas of what's a 9 or 10 are different. I'm a relatively decent looking and in shape guy and have no problem throwing more money at these girls than they probably deserve yet it's still virtually impossible to get them to commit to FC.

My search criteria is
18-22
White or Asian
Slim or Athletic
Up to 250 miles from my location.[/QUOTE]Again, approach and overall vibe matter to that age range. Our search parameters aren't too different, I'm just saying all of this is dependent on You and how they perceive you.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;5063383]I look at it differently. I see it like when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

If you approach profiles like hookers, that is all you will find. Women looking for more of a relationship will be scared off. If approach profiles like a normal dating relationship, women looking for a sugar relationship will be all you find and you will scare away the hookers.[/QUOTE]A "sugar relationship" is just a more inconvenient way to bang the same hooker repeatedly. Be honest, they are hookers.

That's we are having this discussion on a website called USASEXGUIDE.

On SA there are girls that are scammers and girls that Know and accept sex is involved.

Of those that know sex is involved there are:

Girls that need money and will go straight to the fc. These are pros.

Girls that extra money will be helpful. Pretty easy to get to the fc. You can't approach them like Pros, its a bit like regular dating but instead of a few dates to get in bed you are getting in bed early on the first date even if its just a coffee date.

Then there are girls whose major motivation is they want to be bad. Money is a part of it, but not the major driver. So me want to be a hooker in private. Some want an ongoing thing, they get to be bad, but still in their comfort zone.

Figure out what you want and be honest about it. Do you want to pump and dump. There are girls there for that. Want a mistress you only talk to for sex. There are girls on there for that. Want to take a girl under your wing while you have a sexual relationship, there are girls on there for that.

The more complex relationship, the more time and effort you will need to out in.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5063506]A "sugar relationship" is just a more inconvenient way to bang the same hooker repeatedly. Be honest, they are hookers.

That's we are having this discussion on a website called USASEXGUIDE.[/QUOTE]He's not wrong.

I agree. Not an unexpected reply on this board. LOL.

I have no objection to hookers. I only object to some people scaring many women away by treating them all like hookers. They may all be hookers, but many don't think they are and can't be treated like one.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5063506]A "sugar relationship" is just a more inconvenient way to bang the same hooker repeatedly. Be honest, they are hookers.

That's we are having this discussion on a website called USASEXGUIDE.[/QUOTE]

I agree they are hookers, but a big group of these girls lie to themselves that they are not. Normally these are the girls just looking for 1 SD. I say half of my SBs fall into this category. I have one SB right now telling her friends that I'm her BF, and that she is just dating a older guy. I have no problem playing into the lie. I find that I enjoy the sex and time with the SB more, if she is having fun too. We're all fishing in the same lake. Each of us has their own preferences on fishing lure, and how we fish. At the end of the day we'll all trying to catch fish (hookers). I have no problems about how any of you guys treat these girls as long as it isn't violent, and you pay your SB what you agree. I'm for sustainable fishing, LOL.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;5064301]I agree. Not an unexpected reply on this board. LOL.

I have no objection to hookers. I only object to some people scaring many women away by treating them all like hookers. They may all be hookers, but many don't think they are and can't be treated like one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5063506]A "sugar relationship" is just a more inconvenient way to bang the same hooker repeatedly. Be honest, they are hookers.

That's we are having this discussion on a website called USASEXGUIDE.[/QUOTE]Are the still hookers if someone writes them a bad check? They are tech not getting paid for sex at that point.

She still a hooker, if she was looking to get any financial benefit. Just means the John was causing problems. Which isn't cool with me. Anything that can lead to LE focusing on us is a negative for the whole community. Don't want LE to setup a SA account. Like they do on craigslist and other escort sites.

[QUOTE=Zerry;5064449]Are the still hookers if someone writes them a bad check? They are tech not getting paid for sex at that point.[/QUOTE]

Any of you gents met with this one? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1411278d-f8c5-4715-9c4c-7ed9d846cc4e?&locale=en_US[/URL].

I like my SB's young but if I tried something different this would be it.

Concerning the general topic recently on this thread, there's a spectrum of girls on SA and related sites. BTW, sugar relationships have been around forever, we just now have a better way to meet up w / each other. I've been told by a few POTs that their first arrangement was from some guy approaching them, just out, on the street, etc. That's more hutzpah than I have, but then I am also married, so have to be careful about this stuff. Anyway, I am sure there are flat out hookers on SA, just as there are women who are really looking for relationships, or even just classy guys to hang with (mostly the middle-aged gals).

Anyway, I am all in favor of keeping (not LE) but legislators, etc. , out of the hair or Mr. Brandon Dude who started SA. We don't want it to go the way of back page and CL. That was because those were too blatant about being sites for connecting with hookers you'd otherwise find walking streets. I am NOT interested in anything like that, I have found several SBs from the site that weren't seeing others and truly were interested in (some) relationship elements, without the commitment of a real BF. I've also run into a few who needed their daddy kinks fulfilled. All great. If SA were to go away, there likely would be some replacement for it, but it is still far superior to the other sites out there now.

While those of you who just want to rent a girl for 20 minutes can find that from many different websites, I can only find what I want on SA. I just try to encourage people not to screw things up for those of us who are more dependent on SA. If there's someone too blatant on the site, don't message them, first, and consider reporting them. However, there are a few cases recently where people have themselves gotten banned for how they interacted with a POT, and things got twisted around. It is REALLY a pain to get banned, it can be nearly impossible to get back on the site, so avoiding this is imperative. Just blocking blatant prostitutes is safer.