"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Greeting all, thanks for the great thread. Inspired by the members here, I joined a site to meet SBs. It is not one mentioned often (or at all here) but seems exactly like the ones you all use. I made contact with one who lives about 45 minutes away. There are not a lot of quality SBs on this site in my area. Anyhow, after sending the mandatory pic (I get that request 100% of the time) we agreed to meet for a "get to know you" session. When I indicated I was pretty sure I did not need the "get to know you part" as she looked hot in her pics, so told me we should still meet up because she wanted to be sure, (in hindsight I think to be sure I was not LE more than anything else). She also told me how much cash to bring if I wanted to have fun that night ($$$). I was unsure because when I did the math, hotel room plus drinks plus her requested amount is a lot more than I wanted to spend. Frankly, that amount is escort territory. But I decided I could always bail and made the drive. Well when she showed up, this girl was way hotter than her pics. A solid 8. 5, maybe higher with an absolutely gorgeous face and a great little petite body. My little head did all the thinking from then on out, and after spending some time having a drink, we went back to her place. While she did not rush me, there was a time constraint (hers not mine) and she was very safety conscious as well, meaning CBJ. Not too thrilling for me, and I think she knew it because we switch to something else after about 30 seconds of that. Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time". Now some additional facts for your consideration:

1) Age is 21.

2) She dances, but apparently its only once in a while. Maybe one night a month at most. Does not dance where she lives, but closer to me actually.

3) Has a full time job and says she goes to school. Her Facebook page verifies that (which I located through her email. Thanks to whoever gave that tip.)

4) She says she only wants one SD, and is up for meeting as often as I would like (but at her rate for me that will not be often). This was verified to some extent by the fact that she has not logged on to the SD site since our meeting.

5) She says once she gets to know me she will be comfortable with BBBJ.

6) I don't think she is a pro. For instance she did not have condoms. We were going to stop at the store, but luckily, I found a couple in my car.

7) I really cannot overstate how hot she is. When she stripped down in her bedroom, it took my breath away. Sexy underwear to boot.

8) For the most part really seemed to have her sh*t together, especially given the curveballs life has thrown her.

9) Claims she is not dating anyone for personal reasons (last bf was a real loser apparently)

So first off, did I overpay? It have read this whole thread, and I really have not gotten a sense of what everyone else is paying. I think I am probably on the high end. Especially in light of CBJ. But I keep trying to remind myself that its not an escort situation. I am actually looking for someone to see regularly, so that may be worth a little more.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm!

So had to drop TB#1, she was all about money. I did a quick test to see if she knew how to appreciate a SD and she failed. Gave her a little in advance, and before that money got cold, literally less that 24 hours, she was asking for more. Asking to work off more before she had even worked of the pre-payment. It's a shame, she had such potential. Overall I paid for much less than I received. And if I were stupid, she would have taken me for much more.

TB#2 is coming along great. Had 3rd date, not "taste of heaven" yet. But the investment is paying off. Have agreed to a monthly amount that is too low to mention in the forum, because some jealous newbie would give me grief over it. One low monthly amount and all the younger pu$$y that I can handle (based on hotel rates of course).

TB#3 I passed on her. She just seem a bit out of my range at the moment.

TB#4 had some moral rule against giving up the goods on the first date, which I knew was a lie. She just wasn't quite ready to cheat on her hubby and it showed. I tried to press the issue, but being the nice guy that I am, I never force. So as I expected, after she drove back, the contact has been limited and looks like that's money wasted. At least it was a small amount $. But she has not answered a call in the last 3 days, so that's young pu$$y that I'll not get to taste.

TB #5 will be part of an August trip. Again, paying for flight and hotel, but she doesn't want any sugar either, as long as I cover the weekend, wine and dine I can get all the young pu$$y I can handle. She's 32. This will be 2 nights and 1 day of hotel heaven.. Total price before meals will be $350. Not a bad deal at all.

TB #7 will be here this month for hot TiggerChamber session, looks like 4 to 5 hours of the TiggerBounce!. She's 23, and just wants to have fun, no sugar required. By the time I pay for the flight ($150) and room ($100) , I'm paying normal rates anyway. I'm really looking forward to this one. She will be the youngest.

So I lost 2, passed on 1, 1 main SB (TB#2) and 2 of the 3 travelers are on the way within 40 days. All this was done with SDDie. It's a no frills site, but very effective.

All in all mongers, remember that sometimes you have to take a risk (money wise), but even in risk set your boundary and set you walk away amount.

Happy Hunting.

BigTigg

Norm.

I'm knew to this myself. $$$ is a little high, but if she's that hot, then you are doing fine. Especially since you did not have to pay for a hotel. That makes up the difference big time. If I were you and you could afford $250 3 to 4 times a month. I'd negotiate a monthly rate and try to stay in the $500-$600 range. And negotiate that with a minimum amount of meetings. Yes it's not the same amount per meeting, but it's consistent and should be appreciated for that. Again I'm new, but that's my. 02 cents.

[QUOTE=Norm Gerd; 1235381]Greeting all, thanks for the great thread. Inspired by the members here, I joined a site to meet SBs. It is not one mentioned often (or at all here) but seems exactly like the ones you all use. I made contact with one who lives about 45 minutes away. There are not a lot of quality SBs on this site in my area. Anyhow, after sending the mandatory pic (I get that request 100% of the time) we agreed to meet for a "get to know you" session. When I indicated I was pretty sure I did not need the "get to know you part" as she looked hot in her pics, so told me we should still meet up because she wanted to be sure, (in hindsight I think to be sure I was not LE more than anything else). She also told me how much cash to bring if I wanted to have fun that night ($$$). I was unsure because when I did the math, hotel room plus drinks plus her requested amount is a lot more than I wanted to spend. Frankly, that amount is escort territory. But I decided I could always bail and made the drive. Well when she showed up, this girl was way hotter than her pics. A solid 8. 5, maybe higher with an absolutely gorgeous face and a great little petite body. My little head did all the thinking from then on out, and after spending some time having a drink, we went back to her place. While she did not rush me, there was a time constraint (hers not mine) and she was very safety conscious as well, meaning CBJ. Not too thrilling for me, and I think she knew it because we switch to something else after about 30 seconds of that. Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time". Now some additional facts for your consideration:

1) Age is 21.

2) She dances, but apparently its only once in a while. Maybe one night a month at most. Does not dance where she lives, but closer to me actually.

3) Has a full time job and says she goes to school. Her Facebook page verifies that (which I located through her email. Thanks to whoever gave that tip.)

4) She says she only wants one SD, and is up for meeting as often as I would like (but at her rate for me that will not be often). This was verified to some extent by the fact that she has not logged on to the SD site since our meeting.

5) She says once she gets to know me she will be comfortable with BBBJ.

6) I don't think she is a pro. For instance she did not have condoms. We were going to stop at the store, but luckily, I found a couple in my car.

7) I really cannot overstate how hot she is. When she stripped down in her bedroom, it took my breath away. Sexy underwear to boot.

8) For the most part really seemed to have her sh*t together, especially given the curveballs life has thrown her.

9) Claims she is not dating anyone for personal reasons (last bf was a real loser apparently)

So first off, did I overpay? It have read this whole thread, and I really have not gotten a sense of what everyone else is paying. I think I am probably on the high end. Especially in light of CBJ. But I keep trying to remind myself that its not an escort situation. I am actually looking for someone to see regularly, so that may be worth a little more.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm![/QUOTE]

"Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time".

Yes, this is the sound of a pro. I've been given this line by a pro in Las Vegas who I no longer see. It's equivalent to an upsell.

Unless she overwhelms in performance and personality (along with the looks) , move on.

[QUOTE=Norm Gerd; 1235381]So first off, did I overpay? It have read this whole thread, and I really have not gotten a sense of what everyone else is paying. I think I am probably on the high end. Especially in light of CBJ. But I keep trying to remind myself that its not an escort situation. I am actually looking for someone to see regularly, so that may be worth a little more.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm![/QUOTE]Your baby sounds hot as hell so congratulations and good future fucking. Dancers have those firm bodies. I probably overpay for my sbs because I want them to look forward to seeing me again, old, fat and bald as I may be. I've only discussed sugar in advance with a few sbs. I just put what I feel like giving them in their purse at the end of the session. If I like her and want to see her again I give her about what I'd give a higher end escort. I'm sure I could get laid for less by some SW but I'm not interested.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1235596]So had to drop TB#1, she was all about money. I did a quick test to see if she knew how to appreciate a SD and she failed. Gave her a little in advance, and before that money got cold, literally less that 24 hours, she was asking for more. Asking to work off more before she had even worked of the pre-payment. It's a shame, she had such potential. Overall I paid for much less than I received. And if I were stupid, she would have taken me for much more.[/QUOTE]Although many of us have sugared up a baby in advance, including me, the general opinion of the practice is that it's risky, as your experience indicates. I won't do it anymore.

[QUOTE]TB#2 is coming along great. Had 3rd date, not "taste of heaven" yet. But the investment is paying off. Have agreed to a monthly amount that is too low to mention in the forum, because some jealous newbie would give me grief over it. One low monthly amount and all the younger pu$$y that I can handle (based on hotel rates of course).[/QUOTE]I'll be interested to see how this turns out for you BT. I found that when a babe seems like she's available for a discount, she may not show up at all. Let us know what happens. If you are successful, you'll get our congratulations. If you fail, we appreciate learning from you and nobody who's a regular on this thread hassles a fellow sb monger who discloses failure so other mongers may learn.

[QUOTE]TB #5 will be part of an August trip. Again, paying for flight and hotel, but she doesn't want any sugar either, as long as I cover the weekend, wine and dine I can get all the young pu$$why I can handle. She's 32. This will be 2 nights and 1 day of hotel heaven. Total price before meals will be $350. Not a bad deal at all.

TB #7 will be here this month for hot TiggerChamber session, looks like 4 to 5 hours of the TiggerBounce. She's 23, and just wants to have fun, no sugar required. By the time I pay for the flight ($150) and room ($100) , I'm paying normal rates anyway. I'm really looking forward to this one. She will be the youngest.[/QUOTE]Good luck BT. If you pull these off, you will be some kind of champion of a new style of sb negotiation. Let us know how these work out so we can learn from your experience, which is what this thread is all about.

[QUOTE=Norm Gerd;1235381]My little head did all the thinking from then on out, and after spending some time having a drink, we went back to her place. While she did not rush me, there was a time constraint (hers not mine) and she was very safety conscious as well, meaning CBJ. Not too thrilling for me, and I think she knew it because we switch to something else after about 30 seconds of that. Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time".[/QUOTE]Inmo, this could possibly be a sign of a pro, but just as likely an amateur nervous about getting a strange guy's semen down her throat or up her pussy. The fact you had a drink with her first and went to her place suggest a non-pro to me.

[QUOTE]Now some additional facts for your consideration:

1) Age is 21.

2) She dances, but apparently its only once in a while. Maybe one night a month at most. Does not dance where she lives, but closer to me actually.

3) Has a full time job and says she goes to school. Her Facebook page verifies that (which I located through her email. Thanks to whoever gave that tip.)

4) She says she only wants one SD, and is up for meeting as often as I would like (but at her rate for me that will not be often). This was verified to some extent by the fact that she has not logged on to the SD site since our meeting.

5) She says once she gets to know me she will be comfortable with BBBJ.

6) I don't think she is a pro. For instance she did not have condoms. We were going to stop at the store, but luckily, I found a couple in my car.[/QUOTE]All of the above suggest non-pro to me.

[QUOTE]Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.[/QUOTE]Norm, this girl is hot and you want badly to fuck her again. You don't want to spend too much. If she's not a pro she will be nervous about calling you up. She may do it, but why wait? I think if I were you I'd call her up and ask to get together but avoid discussing sugar. At the end of the session, give her the amount you want to. If she questions it, just say its what you can afford if you are going to see her regularly. If she wants one sd, you have given her that option. In addition, you have fucked her again. If she says its not enough, you can let her walk away and call her up later to try to change her mind. Anyway, that's my view.

We discussed earlier on this thread that sb's are running an auction market. She has no reason to accept a low bid for access to her pussy when a higher bid is available. This is unlike escorts who have a business reputation to maintain.

The fact is a hot sb can get fucked by the first man she meets when she walks out the door if she wants to. A MILF might have to walk all the way to the corner before she finds a horny guy to fuck her but it won't take long.

If you negotiate too good a deal with an sb, she will break it.

I think its better not to discuss sugar in advance with sbs. At the end of the session, slip some sugar into her purse. If you want to see her again, give her a premium. If you don't care, just give what you think is fair and what will keep her off your back. (See Golfcart's previous posts for how to handle sugar in a classy way, for those who are interested.)

(All "tech advisories" are strictly just my opinion, no offense intended to those with other views.)

Norm found her on a SB site. She was up front about her donation (escort higher end) (more than Norm's comfort level). They met, she was Grade A Prime and Norm got laid, but he has questions. She was short on time and will make it up to Norm next time. She didn't bring the condom. She said she not dating and is looking for just one Norm.

Norm, my observations:

She sounds like a girl who is looking to cover her rent or car payment. I speculate she may have a friend who is an internet escort and is aware of the side effects of that life which she wants to avoid. A lot of this goes on. She sounds smart for 21.

I almost always see a girl a second time at least. More often than not the second time confirms the first.

No matter how good, how exciting, things settle in and eventually it gets old where the only hold is sex.

She's not what Norm is looking for and Norm is not what she is looking for. There is no future unless the parties accommodate each other naturally without working at it and the culture must be a good fit. The culture was right but she was short on time their first time (Norm that is a real bad sign) and more money than Norm had in mind (a real bad sign). This is not the parties accommodating each other naturally without working at it. I've never seen extra time except in the early stages.

So Norm, call it a day. Do not call to explain. She will get it.

If you must, being so hot and all, okay, see her once more, then call it a day. At the set up make sure she has the time available. This is not negotiable. Give her what you gave her last time. You set that tone. Anything less would be power and control. But there is no point in meeting if there is power and control by her over her time. Say nothing about this being the end. If there is any clock watching the second time that things are being cut short, leave on the spot [I]before the blessed event happens[/I] and say nothing, and do not leave her any money.

Ah, it's a wonderful hobby.

Golf is experienced and has made many informative observations on this thread and elsewhere. I know a few things myself. In this case, I think he and I differ in our views. I think there is still hope you will get what you want as long as you avoid talking about money. Golf seems dubious that this is the girl for you.

In any case, Norm, let us know what happens and GOOD LUCK!

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1235596]TB #5 will be part of an August trip. Again, paying for flight and hotel, but she doesn't want any sugar either, as long as I cover the weekend, wine and dine I can get all the young pu$$why I can handle. She's 32. This will be 2 nights and 1 day of hotel heaven. Total price before meals will be $350. Not a bad deal at all.

TB #7 will be here this month for hot TiggerChamber session, looks like 4 to 5 hours of the TiggerBounce. She's 23, and just wants to have fun, no sugar required. By the time I pay for the flight ($150) and room ($100) , I'm paying normal rates anyway. I'm really looking forward to this one. She will be the youngest.[/QUOTE]Even though neither one of TB5 or 7 are saying that they are looking for sugar, (just wine, dine and dick) I would recommend sending them home with some foldin money in their purse anyway. In the interest of nurturing a longer term meets with either of these gals, I would make sure that you did more than they expected. A weekend away is a pretty sweet gig but you don't want them coming up with sb remorse after the trip. Hence the suggestion of a few Franklin's anyway, so that they can later splurge on something and remember where it came from. All assuming that at the end of the w / e you wish for there to be more of the same with the lady.

Norm, you're getting great advice from two wise and experienced sds here, even though they differ slightly.

I had a similiar situation early on in my sd "career". A young, very pretty, petite sb and I met up for the meet and greet. The first meeting was lunch and drinks only. We did communicate online and set up a for real meeting a couple weeks later. While a knockout, the sex wasn't off the charts but pretty decent. I slipped what I thought was an appropriate amount of sugar in her back jeans pocket as she left. Well we chat more online and she's having trouble making her car payment, so I agree to meet her halfway to advance her some sugar. Somewhere in the process she mentioned what I had given her before and evidently she was disappointed in the amount. She threw a number out there that, while not extreme, was what I considered way too rich for a fairly short visit, one and done. Since I had advanced her the sugar, we did meet one more time and the sex was worse than the first time. I ended up being out more than my norm, but I also discovered I didn't want to fuck her again. Remember she was young, tight, and pretty. Anyways, there it is and it's worth what you paid for it.

She and one other sb are probably the reasons I've concentrated on MILF's for the past year +, but you guys have given me hope that the young ones can be wild and fun. I just haven't had that experience yet.

Oh and to answer a previous question about MILF's getting as wet as the young things, I can assure you that they can flood the place with the right inspiration. It's pretty satisfying to see a sb wiping her inner legs with a towel after you've just made out with her and sucked on her tits before the main event. A 43 yo MILF BTW so it is definitely possible. I've had 3 MILF's that get among the wettest women this old monger has ever been with.

$ is always the kicker in this process, isn't it? I think we tend to overpay more often than not. This uncertainty going in to a meet with a SB is exciting but disturbing. At least escorts make it clear up front what the sugar and the time period are and hotel is usually included. Therefore I believe your SB who had the exact $ amount and time up front has escorting experience. She may not want to get on the treadmill with multiple guys and is trying to milk one guy (that would be you) for a bigger hit.

IMHO :

$ 300 / hour is a high local escort rate and you should view your SB as just that.an escort. Also keep in mind the cost of hotel, flowers, and other sundries bring the total up. If her needs are simple and she is not greedy then you might be her single client for a while but if she is watching the clock that also confirms her E status. I believe SBs should have minimal time constraints and the fee should be for multiple hours / overnight. If they work strictly on the clock it is escortish. My escort friends charge $800 to 2500 / overnight. I have never been that desperate (or rich) enough to be tempted. One of my SBs charged $100 / session which frequently included an all nighter. She had children and her availablity was spotty and unreliable, but the price was right and she was a pretty good lay.

$300 is usury and gets into that GP Syndrome. I have never fucked a $300 pussy that felt better than a $200 one.

$200. 250 is probably average and reasonable for this area, particularly if time is very flexible. Keep in mind the hotel and sundry cost which brings the grand total to $200-250 plus $100 ($300. 350 / fuck)

< $200 = our goal! With room and all we are still looking at $250 to $300 / fuck. This is all for the uber GFE experience, since escorts can be enjoyed for less. I see some of the ladies on the E sites I mentioned to some of you who charge $300 plus / hour. Good for them if they are getting it but Ican't go there regularly.

My experience: I have a College girl SB SO currently and am loving the relationship. I am by nature a multifucker but am still digging this HYB. She is emptying my sperm ducts and wallet on a 2 to 3 X weekly basis. We negociated the price after she opened the bidding. She did say what she would like to get, so I know her number was based on her projected budget and not escort savvy. The price was basically $175 / all night plus hotel etc. I actually gave her a raise without being asked because I want her to be happy with me. She fucks me to sleep, wakes me up on top of me, and wants to be serviced in the AM. As an older guy I could not keep up with her on a daily basis, so we are doing OK. In the end though I am looking at spending $25000 / year if we stay together. It is cheaper than a wife though, although I have one of those too. This is an expensive hobby men, but I am preaching to the choir. I also know nothing lasts for ever and that I will be back in the pool of horny dudes looking for love with the rest of you.

My recommendation : Let's keep the price down so these ladies don't get GP Syndrome. If you throw a generous tip in their pocketbook at the end of a session, you will never be able to go back because you have set the standard and they know their pussy was worth that to you. I suggest $100 to 200 starting tip. They will fish for more but do you really want to spend a total of $300 to 400 / fuck? I would also recommend demanding an extended session for the $ so that their pussies are not priced at an hourly rate. Again, you can go to your favorite escort for an hour (or 1/2 hour) for less. Let's set high standards for us local Mongers and demand quality for our money! Rah! Rah!

[QUOTE=Magic Rat;1235901]Oh and to answer a previous question about MILF's getting as wet as the young things, I can assure you that they can flood the place with the right inspiration. It's pretty satisfying to see a sb wiping her inner legs with a towel after you've just made out with her and sucked on her tits before the main event. A 43 yo MILF BTW so it is definitely possible. I've had 3 MILF's that get among the wettest women this old monger has ever been with.[/QUOTE]Well, Rat, the consensus seems to be that MILFs get just as wet or wetter than HYBs. My assumption may have been wrong, thinking that HYBs are wetter. It wouldn't be my first mistake.

Also, Norm, Golf has a point.

You are less likely to get backblast if you meet her $ expectations. So, I'll modify my suggested approach somewhat but still try to get you back inside the pussy you clearly crave.

Try to avoid sugar talk. If you have to do it, be honest and tell her what your budget is. If you avoid sugar talk until the end of the session, and you think she expects the same amount as before, offer the reduced amount, as I said, but tell her that you want to see her regularly for the reduced amount. If she balks, tell her you'll pay the amount she got the first time, but it will be the last time you see her. If you are willing to risk not fucking her again you can tell her all this upfront and save your money if she declines. Just my opinion.

As before, good luck.

Only four of the 80+ women who've allowed Mr Johnson full access to their vaginas have squirted.

Their ages at the time were: 23, 28, 30 and 32.

In three of the four cases, Mr Johnson caused the squirt. The other case was digital.

The oldest two were sbs, the youngest was a stripper and the 28 year old was my girlfriend (long time ago).

Some say you can make any woman squirt with the right tech, but that's not been my experience.

None was a MILF, but only one was definitely a HYB.

In my case, squirters are averaging 1 out of every 20 girls I have fucked and in each case it only happened once.

I'd be interested in others' experience with this wonderful phenomenon.

I believe all women have the ability to squirt. My research shows that the ability depends on a totally relaxed girl who is not afraid of the intensity of that type of orgasm. I would say that Lit is correct for a new partner@10 %. After you get to trust each other then I have had about 30% squirt. My favorite escort has multiple o's but can not tolerate the intensity of manual stimulation so some girls, even experienced ones, don't want to do it. Most all of my squirters have been manual. Maybe my dick isn't long enough to hit the G spot well enough.

The problem with fling is they cross advertise their site. I have met about 9 women from there and most of them said they joined richmen. Com which also advertises them on fling as well. So they are unaware of this most of the time being the reason why they are not looking for sex. 80% of the women are not real, and the others are overweight or looking for love.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1221366]Dot com- I had one MILF success, but has generally been a bust. Most of the girls seem to be young. 18. 24 yr old. And very few will even answer my query. Even with a good pic posted. Some of the pics are TGTBT and are probably shills $$ does not seem to be the predominant motivation although I'm sure they wouldn't turn down a gift. I think I am too old for this crowd.

My MILF was upper 30's. Prob more like early 40's, beautiful face, chubby body. I'd say she is a 9 face. 5 body. 9 personality. 9 performance. If she lost her baby weight she'd be a 9 across the board. We spent two night together and she was a horndog. And I fucked her brains out. But. After our last night together. She bolted, saying that she was reevaluating her situation (marriage, kids, etc) However, she is still on there anonymously and says she likes young stuff. So who knows? If you are under 40 and run across her she might give you a run.

There is another crossover on Fling who is also on SD, and I can't get her to bite. We have talked back and forth but she is on both sites constantly and says she is a nympho and is a MILF type. Looks pretty hot.

One girl answered me hotly when I offered her some help and said she is not about sex. Really? On a site named Fling? WTF do they think a fling is?[/QUOTE]

I've had one MILF squirt and it was a huge turnon. It happened both during fucking and with a dildo. With the dildo, when she pulled it out, she squirted about 2-3 feet over and over again until she stopped because she said she was about to pass out. How I miss her!

I disagree you / anyone can make "any" woman squirt. Those that make that claim using various techniques really just made the woman urinate. There's a difference in the type of fluid they ejaculate. How they react during and after is what tells the tale. For the most part, women that know they have this capability also know how to make it happen. Even for those that can there's no promise it happens on every rodeo.

Pay close attention to the second and third paragraphs here:

[url]http://www.sexinfo101.com/pw_femaleejaculation.shtml[/url]

[QUOTE=Literal2;1236016]Some say you can make any woman squirt with the right tech, but that's not been my experience.[/QUOTE]

I've never experienced squirting myself and somewhat doubt it is what guys claim it to be. I'll take a look at [url]http://www.sexinfo101.com/pw_femaleejaculation.shtml[/url] and thanks Richmond Fotog for the link. I have a good friend who is an OBGYN MD. Maybe I should ask him if there is a medical explanation. Any OBGYN MDs on the Board?

But I have experienced something with two different women I've never seen mentioned on any board. Both had high sex drives and did this all the time. Their vaginas 'crawled' like a snake from deep inside to the front. While it was happening one of them 'quivered' all over, and 'quivered' is the right description, just like a bowl full of jelly. Not shaking like a cold chill, quivered/jelly. Both were MILFs. So much for the HYB's.

The website reference re female ejaculation is interesting. As the comments on the website show, there is a lot of confusion about the subject. Many women seem to be embarrassed by it when it happens, but many men like it.

In my case there were three different types of squirts.

23 year old stripper. Riding me cg, she released a flood which covered my abdomen and thighs and soaked the sheets.

28 year old GF. Under me mish, she also released a flood soaking the sheets.

30 year old sb. The only digital release, knew exactly what she wanted and, after a conventional climax from oral, she lay on her back knees up and continued begging for finger thrusting along the g-spot and pubic bone and coached me thru it until a little spurt of liquid burbled up and she was satisfied.

32 year old sb. Riding me cg she ground against me harder and harder, moaning louder and louder, leaning way back, she finally shrieked and released a long powerful streaming squirt along the length of my body which hit me in the face."Oh!" she said."I'm so sorry!" I tasted some of it inadvertently and it was odorless, clear and not unpleasant.

The biggest confusion and speculations I've heard is whether it's real, fake or a girl simply losing control of her bladder during an orgasm. The porn industry tapped into that awhile back by over-saturating a girl with liquids and diuretics then nailing her with a Magic Wand, Electro-Stim or even a Drilldo.

So, on your next SB date give her about 6 beers and a Magic Wand. I can almost guarantee you will have a water fountain if "water sports" is your thing.

I do know several girls that are real, natural squirters, but the fluid is milky in appearance and comes from G-spot stimulation. Their orgasms are generally very intense and they're very sensitive afterwards.

Additional reading (which may take awhile) :

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation[/url]

If all else fails, go down to Taboo and talk to Alison. She's got a few things in the store that can help out. She can get anything you want. She's currently educating men on the "P-spot." You may find that interesting, too.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1236736]The website reference re female ejaculation is interesting. As the comments on the website show, there is a lot of confusion about the subject. Many women seem to be embarrassed by it when it happens, but many men like it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog; 1236750]So, on your next SB date give her about 6 beers and a Magic Wand. I can almost guarantee you will have a water fountain if "water sports" is your thing.

I do know several girls that are real, natural squirters, but the fluid is milky in appearance and comes from G-spot stimulation. Their orgasms are generally very intense and they're very sensitive afterwards.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. Well, could be, I suppose. Has anyone ever filmed the natural squirt as you describe it?

[QUOTE=Literal2;1236776]Hmmm. Well, could be, I suppose. Has anyone ever filmed the natural squirt as you describe it?[/QUOTE]Thanks for referring me back to the wiki article I referred you to six months ago, Fotog.

Here's a quote from the article about the confusion you describe.

[I]The location of the Skene's gland is the general area of the vulva, glands located on the anterior wall of the vagina around the lower end of the urethra. Some believe that the Skene's glands are the source of female ejaculation. In 2002, Emanuele Jannini of L'Aquila University in Italy showed that there may be an explanation both for the phenomenon and for the frequent denials of its existence. Skene's glands have highly variable anatomy, and in some extreme cases they appear to be absent entirely. If Skene's glands are the cause of female ejaculation and G-Spot-orgasms, this may explain the absence in many women.

It has been demonstrated that a large amount of lubricating fluid ***can be secreted from this gland when stimulated from inside the vagina. Some reports indicate that embarrassment regarding female ejaculation, and the mistaken notion that the substance is urine, can lead to purposeful suppression of sexual climax, leading women to seek medical advice and even undergo surgery to "stop the urine". [/I]

Your post describing "milky" fluid probably describes vaginal lubricative fluid which "contains water, pyridine, squalene, urea, acetic acid, lactic acid, complex alcohols and glycols, ketones, and aldehydes."

Sounds pretty tasty to me.

Hi,

I wanted to thank everyone for their input. Just to clarify a few things, she set the amount. She actually indicated she was willing to haggle a little, but A) I did not want to come off as cheap (I am supposed to be a sugar daddy after all) and B) I was concerned that negotiating would diminish the service and lastly C) I did not want it to be all about the money. Of course, for her, it did turn out to be mostly the money, as we got down to business, she asked me if I had it, but did not ask for it up front. Many of you rent rooms, and that has got to cost at least $50 for a crappy motel, and $100 for somewhere nice, so I also figured I was saving that. Plus, I think she is willing to come to me in the future, which will make things easier since it is a drive to her town. She still has not been back on the SD website, which I take as a positive sign she is not a pro. As to how she came to that amount, I am guessing that since she has danced, she has a inkling of the going rates. During our meet for a drink, the subject of working girls came up in an unrelated fashion, and she was very uncomfortable with the topic. I honestly think she does not see herself as a pro.

As for what I have decided to do, I have refrained from further contact so far this week. As we were parting, she mentioned getting together in a week or two. I told her it would depends on my funds. I don't know if she is waiting on me to contact her or not. Again, she has not logged on to look for anyone else, or even check her mail (I am sure she has plenty). According to her, I was the first guy she met off the site. I do believe that. She was extremely nervous when we met.

So I would see her again, but for now I have decided to pursue more leads on the site, and currently am scheduled to meet another potential SB on Saturday for coffee. We have not discussed any $, and we have not traded pictures. She claims to have been a model, and her description says she is thin. I am also talking to a SB from a free SD website and we are heading in the direction of making a plan to meet. I think this is the best course because NB#1 is sooooo my type (and so freaking hot) I could see getting entangled. So I am breaking from the way I would normally act, and ignoring her. I hope it works. LOL.

I will let you all know how it turns out.

Norm!

Has anyone been successful in keeping a salaried lover?

I am constantly striving for a regular relationship that is a "deal " for both partners and that gets away from the piecework routine. My SB is paid by the encounter at present, and I can and want to see her more than I should spend. I will bring up the possibility of a set monthly rate with her for an open ended number of visits. Basically, she wins because she gets a regular salary she can count on and I do also because each visit is less expensive. I'll let you know if she bites.

One big problem are Hotel rooms, which take 1/3 of the fee. I recommend looking for a SB who has her own pad so she will end up with more and you will pay less.

One idea I am toying with is to pay her a salary out of (my own) company funds adding her to the payroll as a personal assistant.very personal for sure. It will be deductable to me and she will be able to have a salary for credit purposes. She will also have taxes to pay but not bad for a 20 something Yr old college girl. Any of you accountants or lawyers out there have any thoughts on the subject?

" Hmmm. Well, could be, I suppose. Has anyone ever filmed the natural squirt as you describe it?" .Literal 2011

There are numerous vignettes on the sites youporn. Com and redtube. Com of wildly squirting girls. Also if you haven't seen it [url]www.heaven666.org[/url] Is pretty outrageous and has some squirting footage

[QUOTE=Literal2;1236776]Has anyone ever filmed the natural squirt as you describe it?[/QUOTE]Is Cytheria. If you have never seen her before, watch this; she squirts like a fire hose. And often. She wins squirting contest after contest.

3 min free video: [url]http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=752df39a91381149962d[/url]

[QUOTE=Hernando;1236795]One idea I am toying with is to pay her a salary out of (my own) company funds adding her to the payroll as a personal assistant.very personal for sure. It will be deductable to me and she will be able to have a salary for credit purposes. She will also have taxes to pay but not bad for a 20 something Yr old college girl. Any of you accountants or lawyers out there have any thoughts on the subject?[/QUOTE]Not an Atty but I do have a fair amount of legal dealings on a regular basis, for a non-Atty. Lets just say that my brain is hard wired toward all things legal.

Let me play Devil's Advocate here and outline some issues:

Putting someone on your payroll. They become a legal employee. Workers comp. Fed'l and State Unemployment, potential of a sexual harrassment suit. And on and on. Sound like a deal so far?

How do you defend that you were plunking one of the staff? What is her job description? What about other employees that see someone getting paid and promoted and never shows for work, and all she does is service the boss and gets a check. You see the potential problems.

So go ahead and pay her a set amount each week, and go ahead and bonus yourself the gross of that amount of funds, for a net that you will pay miss sb. You will be making a much better decision in doing so. Yes, it will cost you some taxes but at least this way you pretty much know your downside. As the old saying goes. Never get your Pu$$why and you paycheck at the same address. And you will want to keep those two separate in your case Nando.

[QUOTE=Varoom; 1236942]Not an Atty but I do have a fair amount of legal dealings on a regular basis, for a non-Atty. Lets just say that my brain is hard wired toward all things legal.

Let me play Devil's Advocate here and outline some issues:

Putting someone on your payroll. They become a legal employee. Workers comp. Fed'l and State Unemployment, potential of a sexual harrassment suit. And on and on. Sound like a deal so far?

How do you defend that you were plunking one of the staff? What is her job description? What about other employees that see someone getting paid and promoted and never shows for work, and all she does is service the boss and gets a check. You see the potential problems.

So go ahead and pay her a set amount each week, and go ahead and bonus yourself the gross of that amount of funds, for a net that you will pay miss sb. You will be making a much better decision in doing so. Yes, it will cost you some taxes but at least this way you pretty much know your downside. As the old saying goes. Never get your Pu$$why and you paycheck at the same address. And you will want to keep those two separate in your case Nando.[/QUOTE]Varoom is exactly right Hernando. Putting a SB on the payroll is a very bad path to go down. It *will* come back to bite you in the ass.

[QUOTE=Norm Gerd;1236783]Of course, for her, it did turn out to be mostly the money, as we got down to business, she asked me if I had it, but did not ask for it up front.[/QUOTE]Its hard to criticize the girls for checking when there are a few bad apple mongers out there who cheat them. Two sbs told me about guys giving them fake bank checks. One girl tried to cash the check at a bank and LE was all over her ass in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE]I honestly think she does not see herself as a pro.[/QUOTE]Your sb doesn't sound like a pro to me.

[QUOTE]NB#1 is sooooo my type (and so freaking hot) I could see getting entangled. So I am breaking from the way I would normally act, and ignoring her. I hope it works. LOL.[/QUOTE]I hope it works out for you too. Entanglement is a serious risk when you fuck amateurs. It does seem to be less of a risk the more sbs you fuck. Just my view. Thanks for the useful posts.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1236795]Has anyone been successful in keeping a salaried lover?

I am constantly striving for a regular relationship that is a "deal " for both partners and that gets away from the piecework routine. My SB is paid by the encounter at present, and I can and want to see her more than I should spend. I will bring up the possibility of a set monthly rate with her for an open ended number of visits. Basically, she wins because she gets a regular salary she can count on and I do also because each visit is less expensive. I'll let you know if she bites.

One big problem are Hotel rooms, which take 1/3 of the fee. I recommend looking for a SB who has her own pad so she will end up with more and you will pay less.

One idea I am toying with is to pay her a salary out of (my own) company funds adding her to the payroll as a personal assistant. Very personal for sure. It will be deductable to me and she will be able to have a salary for credit purposes. She will also have taxes to pay but not bad for a 20 something Yr old college girl. Any of you accountants or lawyers out there have any thoughts on the subject?[/QUOTE]Nando, I agree with Spit and Vroom on this one. I think its a bad idea to make her an employee for the reasons they stated.

BTW, re your comment your dick may be too short to make them squirt. Maybe that's because with the volume you process you've worn the poor little bugger down to a nub.

OK, Squirt Mongers: where's the stuff come from? A or B?

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[QUOTE=Literal2; 1237230]OK, Squirt Mongers: where's the stuff come from? A or B?

[ATTACH=CONFIG]137574[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]A. Based on personal experience of sucking on A, while the thing went off w / o warning.

Wow, what a face full of salty sweet discharge. Nearly blinded by the goodness.

[QUOTE=Varoom; 1236809]Is Cytheria. If you have never seen her before, watch this; she squirts like a fire hose. And often. She wins squirting contest after contest.

3 min free video:

[url]http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=752df39a91381149962d[/url][/QUOTE]99% of what you see in porn vids is just pissing.

I've had (created, actually) a number of squirters, and they looked nothing like the porn fakers. It takes intense g-spot stimulation by someone else (curled fingers to go all the way in and then pull down and back) , and a straight vibrator won't do it.

The volume of liquid is all wrong, and the physical response is all wrong.

None of them were capable of talking and making kissy duckface for the camera as they neared and experienced squirting orgasms. Their bodies would almost lock-up flat on the bed, and they'd convulse or even jackknife while making unintelligible sounds. Afterwards, a few minutes in the fetal position was common.

I agree that a very high percentage of these vid clips are fake. I stated earlier how the porn business eludes people. It's like everything else in the porn business, it's adult entertainment that that's very much fiction.

To me these "squirting contests" are nothing more than a pissing match among the contestants.

I have actually seen girls use a Magic Wand or one with some of the attachments, but a good G-spot vibrator works."Lelo" makes one of the best for this. I have seen a couple of girls squirt from riding a Sybian with a G-spot attachment. She appeared as though she was having an epileptic seizure.

The call it "squirting" and female ejaculation for a reason. The girls I have seen do this are real and natural. It's a "squirt" of a milky white to clear substance. As I said previously, the orgasms are very intense and they were pretty much wiped out afterwards.

[QUOTE=Bunker Buster; 1237424]99% of what you see in porn vids is just pissing.

I've had (created, actually) a number of squirters, and they looked nothing like the porn fakers. It takes intense g-spot stimulation by someone else (curled fingers to go all the way in and then pull down and back) , and a straight vibrator won't do it.

The volume of liquid is all wrong, and the physical response is all wrong.

None of them were capable of talking and making kissy duckface for the camera as they neared and experienced squirting orgasms. Their bodies would almost lock-up flat on the bed, and they'd convulse or even jackknife while making unintelligible sounds. Afterwards, a few minutes in the fetal position was common.[/QUOTE]

This will give you a better clue.

You should see one in a 24 megapixel, 5000+ pixels :cool:

[QUOTE=Literal2;1237230]OK, Squirt Mongers: where's the stuff come from?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog; 1237529]This will give you a better clue.

You should see one in a 24 megapixel. 5000+ pixels :cool:[/QUOTE]Cough, cough * well, I have to evaluate this. Vewwy innerwesting.

Cytheria has been outed by people in the adult entertainment field as just being a good fake.

The secret formula to Cyntheria, Tucci, Sierra and others squirting across the room and supposedly produce quarts of orgasmic fluids / water (impossible for a human) , is to simply use an enema bag of water and force the water out during a fake orgasm. That's evident in the clip. You can actually tell it's just water by looking at the camera lens and if you watch the clip close enough you can spot where they stopped the video to reload.

Cytheria was on with Howard Stern doing her "trick" when they laughed at her and an OB / GYN labeled her as a "good fake."

Here's another method:

[url]http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=12950[/url]

[QUOTE=Varoom; 1236809]Is Cytheria. If you have never seen her before, watch this; she squirts like a fire hose. And often. She wins squirting contest after contest.

3 min free video:

[url]http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=752df39a91381149962d[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Varoom; 1237288]A. Based on personal experience of sucking on A, while the thing went off w / o warning.

Wow, what a face full of salty sweet discharge. Nearly blinded by the goodness.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Now we know our monger kits should include lube, condoms, vitamin V AND goggles.