[QUOTE=AmpExplorer;4163329]Story breaking today Robert Kraft.
Wow a guy so wealthy couldn't find a more discrete way to do his thing.[/QUOTE]With his cash he should be on SA getting the gold plated pussy.
[QUOTE=AmpExplorer;4163329]Story breaking today Robert Kraft.
Wow a guy so wealthy couldn't find a more discrete way to do his thing.[/QUOTE]With his cash he should be on SA getting the gold plated pussy.
[QUOTE=JmspTool;4163727]The real question is how do we protect ourselves from the hidden cameras? Did the shop close down and the police went in over night to install the cameras? Any easy way to detect hidden cameras? I know they sell Wands that detect Rf signals but wanding the room trying to find a camera will prob make the provider nervous.[/QUOTE]What I am curious about is if you are on camera, but never discussed anything with the woman, and just tip at the end, do they have a case?
Of course I am sure they can still arrest you and put you in the paper.
[QUOTE=Joe1223;4163944]With his cash he should be on SA getting the gold plated pussy.[/QUOTE]Yes. And his name will be out there in three months with SBs #me2 him for the rest of his life.
[QUOTE=Sounds;4164135]What I am curious about is if you are on camera, but never discussed anything with the woman, and just tip at the end, do they have a case?
Of course I am sure they can still arrest you and put you in the paper.[/QUOTE]For what? Getting a massage is not only legal it's good for you. Muscles need therapy to heal. People tip masseuses for doing a good job- just like a waitress, concierge, pizza delivery guy, etc. Anything else that happens between 2 consenting adults- happens. You tip for the massage- nothing else. This is pure BS and a money grab!
Not as well known but similar dough.
[URL]https://patch.com/massachusetts/waltham/john-childs-jw-childs-charged-florida-prostitution-sting[/URL]
[QUOTE=AmpExplorer;4163329]Story breaking today Robert Kraft.
Wow a guy so wealthy couldn't find a more discrete way to do his thing.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't sound right. No mention of search warrants. The cameras were set up under the ruse of a bomb threat. The rights of the workers who are in a private environment where it would be reasonably expected for patrons to be in states on undress do not seem to be protected. You are never asked as a patron to show I'd. Seems like a very public shakedown where the police are counting on those named to plea out to avoid shame.
[QUOTE=BostonMan781;4164420]This is a federal changeover going on instead of providers the government is going after Johns. You can see this across many cities the past year or so.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oeddeo;4163417]So it looks like LE decided instead of shutting down the mp they would install hidden cameras and go after the regulars. This whole story is fucked up. You would think in a state where murder is legal under stand your ground the police would have more important things too worry about. Legalize it already![/QUOTE]And if sex trafficking is the real issue, why does LE allow the trafficking to continue just to nab a the johns?
And if these women are being trafficked, who was allowing the cameras, the traffickers? So the police are actually colluding with the traffickers to ensnare the johns.
This is like working with the drug trafficker to arrest his customers.
This stinks.
[blue]Why is anybody surprised, this happened in the country that still classifies weed as a schedule 1 narcotic.
"Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:
heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote"
[url]https://www.dea.gov/drug-scheduling[/url]
Fucking theocracy.
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[QUOTE=JmspTool;4163384]One of the articles said they have him on camera doing a sex act as well. How did they get the camera in the place? Did the place have them already or did the police install them. I'm assuming the police installed them somehow. I always thought spas would be the safest but they are claiming hundreds of arrests soon.[/QUOTE]My understanding is they obtained a warrant. Then LE could have gone in at night to install them. Or LE could have posed as customers, installed cameras while changing, gotten a massage, and either left happy, which becomes evidence or declined services. Don't forget, LE can buy and sell drugs to make a case.
[QUOTE=Energizerbunne;4167211]My understanding is they obtained a warrant. Then LE could have gone in at night to install them. Or LE could have posed as customers, installed cameras while changing, gotten a massage, and either left happy, which becomes evidence or declined services. Don't forget, LE can buy and sell drugs to make a case.[/QUOTE]Posted somewhere else on the board, LEO called in a bomb scare for the AMP. Then went in to "search" for the bomb. Installed cameras during the search.
[QUOTE=Sounds;4167284]Posted somewhere else on the board, LEO called in a bomb scare for the AMP. Then went in to "search" for the bomb. Installed cameras during the search.[/QUOTE]They have posted a copy of the 16 page dectevtive report. Lists step by step approach to the investigation. Plus minute to minute activity the occurred in the rooms.
I can't believe all these rich guys go to AMPs.
[URL]https://sports.yahoo.com/johnny-delprete-boyfriend-lpga-star-jessica-korda-arrested-florida-prostitution-sting-robert-kraft-224726267.html[/URL]
And thanks to Kraft's bust, we have keep an eye out for extra unwanted local attention. Just when things seemed to be calming down for AMPs a bit, articles like this start to appear with details of rubmaps, city X guides and Erotic Monkey.
[URL]https://patch.com/massachusetts/woburn/massachusetts-strip-mall-brothels-flourish[/URL]
Also it is total BS to frame the johns in the name of saving sex trafficked workers. Like to hear how they justify not just closing the place down and subjecting the "victims" to what looks like five more days of "abuse" to bust some Johns. [URL]https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf[/URL].
Looks like Wang and Mingbi would have been the favorites with UTC access, prostate massage and even some DATY. No one mention of full service, just handy's and a few BJs. And as far a Kraft goes, he probably just got a handy finish. Oooooooo such a big fucking crime. Now, I've gone to AMPs before and every encounter I've had has always seemed mutual. Granted it is possible that the smile and willingness could have been backed up by some shady trafficking, but I never got that vibe and always was polite and on a first visit let them completely dictate what is offered or not.
It is time for change. Every other country allows this type of activity legally. Why can't the best country in the world allow it. It is a complete of tax payer dollars to go after providers and men for this activity. Instead wasting money, it should be taxed as a revenue stream for states and our government. Not only that, it will reduce trafficking. I don't understand why our society is so negative towards this activity. We need more common sense in our government.
With all that being said, I will mostly not visit any AMP in the near future. Just too much attention which is unfortunate. Too all my friends, stay safe and get a good lawyer.
Saw this link posted on Tampa Board. Link is to Police Report with attached Affidavit. Interesting reading.
[QUOTE=MagicHands2;4166890]Spotted this on a Detroit thread:
[URL]https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf[/URL]
Stay safe out there, MH2.[/QUOTE]
Is it really "trafficking"? Or is it a buzzword that lefty do gooders use to stop prostitution using any means and to play on the public's emotions?
I've been using AMPs for years and never once thought I was using "trafficked" slave girls.
[QUOTE=LustyB;4168625]Is it really "trafficking"? Or is it a buzzword that lefty do gooders use to stop prostitution using any means and to play on the public's emotions?
I've been using AMPs for years and never once thought I was using "trafficked" slave girls.[/QUOTE]I honestly believe the woman are prostitutes in their home country and when they find out how much money they can make they decide to do the massage parlor scene. Of course when the police ask the girls they will play innocent but I do believe a vast majority of them are willing. The simple soulution is to legalize it.
Just heard this on Sport Hub and found the Kraft affidavits online. So, Kraft went in on the 19th got a handy. THEN he got pulled over in a Bentley on his way out of the massage parlor and got positively ID'd via his drivers license. THEN he went back for 2nd handy / possible BJ the next god damn day. Wow, noob move. If you get pulled over leaving a parlor for even a traffic stop, that should raise a red flag.
[blue]Why are you posting the phone number of a brother monger who had the bad luck to get caught up in a sweep?
Do you think that couldn't happen to you? If it did would you be ok with people posting your arrest documents including your phone number and address on the forum?
Why is he different because he's rich?
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[QUOTE=LustyB;4168625]Is it really "trafficking"? Or is it a buzzword that lefty do gooders use to stop prostitution using any means and to play on the public's emotions?
I've been using AMPs for years and never once thought I was using "trafficked" slave girls.[/QUOTE]It's really bullshit. It's a myth that is repeated, accepted, and never challenged. I think the myth was born way back in the 1800's and never went away. Google 'yellow fever'. It was even mentioned in President Grant's state of the union back in the day. It's kept alive and continues to grow through the work of sex hating feminist academics and sociologists, who have considerable influence on public policy and media opinion.
I was really concerned about visiting AMPs for a long time. Little by little, through reading, educating myself, and direct experiences, I realized that the situation of women who work in MPs and in prostitution in general has been sensationalized to the point of ridiculousness. What made me conclude once and for all that it is bullshit was a few years ago when I became friends with a Chinese massage girl. I went to dinners, bars, museums, shopping, etc with her and her friends who also work as prostitutes in massage parlors. I learned about her life and how she came into her occupation. I went 'behind the scenes' at MPs where she worked and helped drive her to prospective parlors where she was interested in working. I've hung out in the back rooms of MPs with girls while they wait for customers, etc, stayed after hours, etc, etc.
Now, it's completely true that there is immigration fraud going on, that there is sex exchanged for money (we all knew that), and that it's par for the course for girls to sleep in the MPs while they work there (they absolutely aren't forced to stay, however). These three ingredients are so ripe for sensationalism that we get the human trafficking outrage that we are now all familiar with.
Lay low for a while in regards to AMPs only? Or, disregard ever being filmed as highly improbable?
Is this a flaky FL law thing that would allow video cameras to be placed during a fake fire alarm?? Or can that happen anywhere? The point about leaving these alleged victims in "danger" for another five days (or whatever) to get video evidence does seem like an important consideration for a judge issuing a warrant.
Personally, I am thinking for a couple of months I will just frequent shops that DON'T have obvious high turnover. And see how LEO in the MA area proceed with this new "public awareness" and "pressure".
Your thoughts?
[QUOTE=Zimmm33;4168929]Lay low for a while in regards to AMPs only? Or, disregard ever being filmed as highly improbable?
Is this a flaky FL law thing that would allow video cameras to be placed during a fake fire alarm?? Or can that happen anywhere? The point about leaving these alleged victims in "danger" for another five days (or whatever) to get video evidence does seem like an important consideration for a judge issuing a warrant.
Personally, I am thinking for a couple of months I will just frequent shops that DON'T have obvious high turnover. And see how LEO in the MA area proceed with this new "public awareness" and "pressure".
Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]I am thinking the cameras were placed because they knew they could get Kraft and sensationalize things. Just have to make sure you don't go to a place that may have well known folks going. ;)
I will probably avoid the AMPs for now. Spend time at some good strip clubs. Eventually will park far away and take a roundabout way back to my car when I return. Plus is will get some exercise in.
[QUOTE=IAmAzn;4168488]It is time for change. Every other country allows this type of activity legally. Why can't the best country in the world allow it. It is a complete of tax payer dollars to go after providers and men for this activity. Instead wasting money, it should be taxed as a revenue stream for states and our government. Not only that, it will reduce trafficking. I don't understand why our society is so negative towards this activity. We need more common sense in our government.
With all that being said, I will mostly not visit any AMP in the near future. Just too much attention which is unfortunate. Too all my friends, stay safe and get a good lawyer.[/QUOTE]Wishful thinking on our part that it is time for a change. Some other countries allow it to varying degrees, not all. Why is because there is an unlikely alliance between the right, (moral Puritans) and left (any and all sexual activity between 2 consenting adults involving money is absolute sexual slavery, human trafficking, rape, etc.) Listen to all the reactions to the Kraft incident, (horrible, disgusting, etc.) on the media. Even though it should be time for a change, we're not there yet, and won't be any time soon.
[QUOTE=Aluver;4168806]Just heard this on Sport Hub and found the Kraft affidavits online. So, Kraft went in on the 19th got a handy. THEN he got pulled over in a Bentley on his way out of the massage parlor and got positively ID'd via his drivers license. THEN he went back for 2nd handy / possible BJ the next god damn day. Wow, noob move. If you get pulled over leaving a parlor for even a traffic stop, that should raise a red flag.[/QUOTE]So he was pulled over as a passenger for legit reason for the traffic stop. The officer ask for his I'd as a passenger and they went on there way. And next day he goes back?! Crazy.
[QUOTE=IAmAzn;4168488]It is time for change. Every other country allows this type of activity legally. Why can't the best country in the world allow it. It is a complete of tax payer dollars to go after providers and men for this activity. Instead wasting money, it should be taxed as a revenue stream for states and our government. Not only that, it will reduce trafficking. I don't understand why our society is so negative towards this activity. We need more common sense in our government.
With all that being said, I will mostly not visit any AMP in the near future. Just too much attention which is unfortunate. Too all my friends, stay safe and get a good lawyer.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. I started a post on this very topic a few weeks ago on the SW thread. Every other developed country except America has legalized prostitution. Why? Because it makes sense on every level. It empowers, not demeans women, it reduces, not increases the market for trafficking and underage sex, it reduces, not increases drug addiction among providers, it is safer for men and women in crime and the spread of STD's, it generates huge amounts of tax revenue, it frees law enforcement to focus on real crime and it keeps government out of a victimless transaction between consenting adults. Any if us who have traveled abroad know all of this.
There is nothing that Robert Kraft should be embarrassed about. He's a decent man, that has given millions to worthy charities, and he's created the best franchise in the NFL. Way better than Jim Irsay, driving heavily under the influence, and a dead mistress some where along the way, The only embarrassment here is that the USA remains the only developed country still living in the dark ages when it comes to the most natural act between two consenting adults.
[QUOTE=LustyB;4168625]Is it really "trafficking"? Or is it a buzzword that lefty do gooders use to stop prostitution using any means and to play on the public's emotions?
I've been using AMPs for years and never once thought I was using "trafficked" slave girls.[/QUOTE]It's definitely misused as a tool or buzzword to justify prostitution arrests. If their goal was to save these women from trafficking, then they should have taken some kind of action as early as possible, not install cameras and wait what, six weeks, allowing them to allegedly be trafficked before taking action. This was done to prosecute men, not save women.
As far as local AMPs go, ask them where they live and you'll hear that they're mostly locals. Ask them if they're doing this by choice and I'll bet they say yes.
[QUOTE=Spaz2580;4166247]That woman got a lot of money from the businessman but got greedy and asked for more. 280 k total. She should've stopped after the initial shakedown. The businessman eventually went to the police.
Kraft went to a place in Florida that had a table shower. Those places are usually more FS. Maybe he got that instead of just a handshake. Wrong place wrong time. His image is gone / tainted now.[/QUOTE]Some news outlets have said oral and manual in reference to Kraft over the past couple of days, but today the NYT reported that the video appears to show him getting two hjs. Also, that one visit was just 13 minutes. Sure doesn't sound like he was in for FS.
[QUOTE=GlennQ;4169205]Couldn't agree more. I started a post on this very topic a few weeks ago on the SW thread. Every other developed country except America has legalized prostitution. Why? Because it makes sense on every level. It empowers, not demeans women, it reduces, not increases the market for trafficking and underage sex, it reduces, not increases drug addiction among providers, it is safer for men and women in crime and the spread of STD's, it generates huge amounts of tax revenue, it frees law enforcement to focus on real crime and it keeps government out of a victimless transaction between consenting adults. Any if us who have traveled abroad know all of this.
[/QUOTE]The forces against this have produced a trump card (no pun) which is the trafficking argument. It will immediately shut down any conversation about changing things.
I see that the Jupiter Police are already walking the "trafficking" thing back. I think they may have overshot this one. If you've used AMPs, you know damn well the majority of these girls are from NYC and doing it for casino money, and the most they will offer is a HJ. Maybe somebody with the resources to fight this like Kraft will expose the trafficking myth and maybe they won't be so quick to label these girls as "victims".
[QUOTE=punteruk;4170060]The forces against this have produced a trump card (no pun) which is the trafficking argument. It will immediately shut down any conversation about changing things.
I see that the Jupiter Police are already walking the "trafficking" thing back. I think they may have overshot this one. If you've used AMPs, you know damn well the majority of these girls are from NYC and doing it for casino money, and the most they will offer is a HJ. Maybe somebody with the resources to fight this like Kraft will expose the trafficking myth and maybe they won't be so quick to label these girls as "victims".[/QUOTE]I hear you. We all know that using trafficking as the reason to crack down on prostitution is the same as claiming marijuana is a gateway drug. It's just another deceptive argument perpetrated by all sides of the American political spectrum who can't face the real facts or come up with a legitimate defense of laws that do far more harm than good.
Instead of listening to the hysterical and uninformed, maybe we should listen to the experts who've actually conducted some real research and formulation of thoughtful policy:
[URL]https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/decreasing-human-trafficking-through-sex-work-decriminalization/2017-01[/URL]
(you know, like the AMA, Amnesty International, the WHO, the UN, and the rest of these rogue organizations dedicated to the subjugation and exploitation of women).
I know it's an uphill battle but at least the Robert Kraft incident has many of us, including some in the MSM, discussing the real elephant, and the real solution in the room:
[URL]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-smerconish-questions-waste-of-police-resources-in-bob-kraft-arrest/[/URL]
Not sure how else to amplify the facts and message so any thoughts are welcome. P.S. , be safe and happy hunting.
[QUOTE=GlennQ;4170208]I hear you. We all know that using trafficking as the reason to crack down on prostitution is the same as claiming marijuana is a gateway drug. It's just another deceptive argument perpetrated by all sides of the American political spectrum who can't face the real facts or come up with a legitimate defense of laws that do far more harm than good.
Instead of listening to the hysterical and uninformed, maybe we should listen to the experts who've actually conducted some real research and formulation of thoughtful policy:
[URL]https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/decreasing-human-trafficking-through-sex-work-decriminalization/2017-01[/URL]
(you know, like the AMA, Amnesty International, the WHO, the UN, and the rest of these rogue organizations dedicated to the subjugation and exploitation of women).
I know it's an uphill battle but at least the Robert Kraft incident has many of us, including some in the MSM, discussing the real elephant, and the real solution in the room:
[URL]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-smerconish-questions-waste-of-police-resources-in-bob-kraft-arrest/[/URL]
Not sure how else to amplify the facts and message so any thoughts are welcome. P.S. , be safe and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]The only reason law enforcement is all over us mongers is because they can get away with. By going to these places we are not guilty of trafficking these women but we are guilty of participating in trafficking by supporting them with $$.
What bugs me the most about the recent events:
1. Trafficking actually happens in this industry, but I don't think anyone has ever proven that it's a widespread problem. So when they find actual trafficking going on, they need to shut that shit down quick and make an example of the people responsible. Calling every AMP sting a trafficking operation is ridiculous and serves no purpose. It's PR and legal jumbo that I feel is ultimately harmful.
2. If they actually thought human trafficking was going on at this spa in Florida, why the hell were the cops sitting on their asses for a week while innocent women were being raped? Because if it actually was trafficking, that's what would be happening. The police knew this was just an AMP takedown. Someone got their panties in a twist and demanded action, or someone wanted a raise, or PR, or someone is running for office, or someone wanted to embarrass one of the clients in particular.
Anyway that's my feeling on that.
Glenn Q, your "Ethics" article was on point. An analogy is the trafficking of Maijuana, it is now legal in alot of states, taxed and regulated, no more "war on drugs". The majority of women I have encountered in the "Massage Trade" are in their 40's, are here legally and love the money they get. Treat the problem don't put them out of business.
I was listening to the radio today and Atty. Gen. Maura Healey was on. She talked a lot about stopping sex trafficking and how they are moving away from prosecuting the "victims" and focusing their attention the "supply side" and go after the Johns. She also had a lot of nonsense facts about how they are all trafficked, pimped, and how young a lot of these girls are in the AMP's. Really? Where? The next girl I meet in an AMP that is under 25, will be my first. Seriously though, this is going to get more dangerous. The Kraft situation worked perfect for them, this is what they want. LEO wants to humiliate us until we stop going. I don't know about MA law vs. FL law but I would bet they will be trying the same tactics here soon.
DP.
[QUOTE=Dickpalmer;4170931]I was listening to the radio today and Atty. Gen. Maura Healey was on. She talked a lot about stopping sex trafficking and how they are moving away from prosecuting the "victims" and focusing their attention the "supply side" and go after the Johns. She also had a lot of nonsense facts about how they are all trafficked, pimped, and how young a lot of these girls are in the AMP's. Really? Where? The next girl I meet in an AMP that is under 25, will be my first. Seriously though, this is going to get more dangerous. The Kraft situation worked perfect for them, this is what they want. LEO wants to humiliate us until we stop going. I don't know about MA law vs. FL law but I would bet they will be trying the same tactics here soon.
DP.[/QUOTE]But would LOVE for them to go after all of the trafficked victims at nail salons, dry cleaners and bodegas. Shit, I would guess that there are more Vietnamese women trafficked in nail salons in Springfield alone than all of the employees of AMPs in the entire state!
Turns out a Mamasan who was busted in Oxford in 2013 had moved and set up shop in Florida. So, connecting the dots, Kraft probably went to (or more likely frequented) the Oxford place and knew the mamasan and that's why he was patronizing her place down in Florida. Going to get ugly up here soon if this is the case as the local political types and LE will want to puff out their righteousness feathers again.
[URL]https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20190227/woman-who-ran-massage-parlor-in-central-massachusetts-arrested-in-2012-now-involved-in-kraft-florida-scandal[/URL]
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/02/27/robert-kraft-affidavit-details-threesome-sandwich-indictment-police-report-column/2982383002/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Aluver;4171294]Turns out a Mamasan who was busted in Oxford in 2013 had moved and set up shop in Florida. So, connecting the dots, Kraft probably went to (or more likely frequented) the Oxford place and knew the mamasan and that's why he was patronizing her place down in Florida. Going to get ugly up here soon if this is the case as the local political types and LE will want to puff out their righteousness feathers again.
[URL]https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20190227/woman-who-ran-massage-parlor-in-central-massachusetts-arrested-in-2012-now-involved-in-kraft-florida-scandal[/URL][/QUOTE]This article from 2013 proves the point. The police were using the "trafficking" cudgel as much as possible. The "trafficker" went to trial, and for these supposed crimes got six months probation. No follow-up was ever done to explain how the trafficking charges were dropped. None of the "victims" were ever located. Total BS. And it's working again.
A couple of weeks ago, I noticed a new note taped on the wall of my room at 1060 that stated, in both Chinese and English, that all employees are free to come and go, etc. This was well before the FL news broke out. And I'm certain it wasn't there not that long ago. Somehow that AMP was hip to the fact this is a topic of interest to the authorities. By the casual grammar on the note, I'd say it was written in-house without professional help.
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[QUOTE=OxyMoron;4171592]I don't know about any of you out there but the Kraft story has provoked some very uncomfortable conversations for me. My wife and I were just visiting her cousin in Florida very near where he was busted, so it was a hot topic around the dinner table for all the time we were there. I tried my best to sound as ignorant as they were about such things, but it was hard to respond to my wife's speculation about how all these rich men found out which massage parlors offer extras. She said, "Mar-a-Lago -I'll bet they are all members there and this is where they compare notes about places to go. " I'm thinking, "You don't need to pay tens of thousands in club fees to find out where to get a helping hand. " But I just kept my mouth shut.
OM.[/QUOTE]I have wondered how many guys have used the wives "ignorance" to tell them they were actually going to one of these places for a massage. "drop me off while you go shopping".
His driver dropped him off in the White Bentley on Saturday. On Sunday it was the Blue Bentley. Guess he thought they wouldn't notice.
[QUOTE=Aluver;4168806]Just heard this on Sport Hub and found the Kraft affidavits online. So, Kraft went in on the 19th got a handy. THEN he got pulled over in a Bentley on his way out of the massage parlor and got positively ID'd via his drivers license. THEN he went back for 2nd handy / possible BJ the next god damn day. Wow, noob move. If you get pulled over leaving a parlor for even a traffic stop, that should raise a red flag.
[blue]Why are you posting the phone number of a brother monger who had the bad luck to get caught up in a sweep?
Do you think that couldn't happen to you? If it did would you be ok with people posting your arrest documents including your phone number and address on the forum?
Why is he different because he's rich?
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