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[QUOTE=Agent61]Most of the time, when doing any kind of bear back action, bacteria is the main threat.
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Also, if you can eat 2-3 cloves of raw garlic after a possible exposure, the discharge in your urinary stream will take on a whole new antiseptic property, which usually neutralizes foreign bacteria in the urethra.[/QUOTE]
you will have even more protection (e.g. stinky mouth = no action) :)
[QUOTE=John Dough]Traditional condoms cover the penis only but not the pubic area, so can not effectively isolate the body fluids. This condom has an attached skirt at the base to also prevent HPV and other skin to skin transmitted STDs.
[url]http://www.goldcannon.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Unfortunately these condoms are made in China. Which means they are made of melamine and pig shit. Seriously though, most of my experiences have been the massage HJ type, occasionally I have partaken in FS. In my opinion most of the time you get more out of the massage and HJ, or Russian if it is on the menu, than the FS. Take apartments for example, usually its a 5 min lame ass massage followed by them snapping on a condom that feels like it is made out of industrial grade rubber. I wonder were they get their condoms from, they appear extremely sturdy but quite insulating when comes to feeling anything. I think I could touch the third rail of an L platform with my wang wearing their condoms and not get electrocuted.
Anyway the bottom line is if you are going to participate in either FS or oral, covered is a necessity. Even if there is only a slight chance of getting something, who needs the worries, embarrassment or anxiety afterward. Sometimes your mine can play tricks on you. A mild allergic reaction to a new soap or muscle pull after uncovered oral, becomes an std in your mind.
P.S.
To the person who in the past on another string posted about how he believes he got HPV or Chlamydia from a massage/HJ, please save it. A HJ is about as safe as you can get while still being in the same room with the women. Unless she has swine flu that is.
Fellas. IMHO.
DO have to comment.
"Sometimes your mine can play tricks on you. A mild allergic reaction to a new soap or muscle pull after uncovered oral, becomes an std in your mind. "
This is true; concur; garlic? Sounds like old wives' tale. Imagine the "air freshener" results! Maybe one of us would find the time to definitely look that up. Though that posting about the "hat". Columbia U; would contact Columbia to validate (sry; am science person)
Do NOT agree w/ CJW "Still feel anxious?. Go fuck a ho bareback to take the edge off. "
ALWAYS be safe! Is plum stupid not to! Jeez.
[QUOTE=Dbldowndon]Friends, Less than three weeks ago I had completely covered sex with a provider. I am 90% sure i have herpes. Went to one of the anonymous test places ($373) and results were negative for gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia. I feel like crap and my dick is in Pain. There were no nodules (small and easy to miss) until today at the base of my penis.
My first plea is how to tell my wife of 37 years. She HATES people who cheat and if she doesn't kill me (no joke), she will clean me out. I have recently lost my job and will be on the streets.
Second of all, what can I do for this God-awful pain? I have been told by the "counselor" at the test place that I may have a sore inside the urethra.
Having dark thought of suicide.
This provider was chosen because she does EVERYTHING covered. I have only once seen a provider before, and now this.
Looking for help here...[/QUOTE]You didn't think in your wildest imaginations or nightmares that I would ever find this forum or your post about this shit right here. LOL
Never underestimate the power of the internet or my late night cruising the web and found this. LOL
This in my HO opinion was a very sneaky back alley way of dealing with this.
The mere fact that you came to this site thinking I would never find it and you posted your cry and plea for help is laughable. You are a emotional junkie *****. And the emails I have will prove it!
I can only assume that in your effort for advice here when the gents emailed you about who it was you gave it up, named me.
And if not well here I am, it was me he is referring to. I am outting myself here and have no worries about it. This was pathetic from the jump.
My name is Sherry and I am a long time provider, over 20 years. I was at one point a SW here in pdx. Did the travel thing and have been in many different states. Citys, never once did I ever get a std from a client or give one to them. Everything is covered at all times. I don't even like to give HJ's without a cover. I do not comprimise my health for a few extra dollars. Meaning never do I ever give bb anything.
I know why you got scared and as the title says: Tell the whole story or I will.
The reason I believe you think you may have got something from me is when we did try to do FS after you inserted and started to pull out the rubber slide off inside of me and stayed there until I pulled it out of my pussy. Your penis was completely out and far away from my pussy when you noticed the slip of the cover. At no time did your penis ever make contact with my pussy without the cover on.
And for those of you who might think that because the condom slide off inside of my tight pussy he now has the reason to think I gave him something, LOL think again. Like I said at no time did his ding-a-ling touch my nana uncovered.
I suppose he also would assume that because of my prior history of being a SW that makes me more likely of a std poster child? LOL
Ohhhh you handled this poorly Don.
[QUOTE=Dbldowndon]Crazy Jim Wood ~ I emailed her first off and she went ballistic! I was very nice and suggested she get tested. She said she does and "just because you had a drip, you're freaking out." No drip. Told her the three other tests were negative.
Still no report back.[/QUOTE]The one with small kine tattoos on arms and back. If so, yeah fast drinker. Don,
Your attempt to gain sympathy here is so pathetic. I didn't go ballistic. I told you the truth. Harse truth but, the truth.
I have read these posts by you and the responses. Gee Don it seems as though your fellow pooners are repeating the same exact statements as I did when you first tried to put the blame on me for your penis issues.
Everything is in email of our conversations on this subject.
The suicide threat made by you in your initial email telling me you thought you had a std is what started this whole scene off on the wrong foot with me. I don't do suicide threats for guilt!
Because you weren't gaining sympathy from me and your overwhelming feelings of guilt lead you here? Ok whatever dude.
I see a few men have stated almost "verbatum" of what I had said to you in our emails.
It is nice for others to have the whole story and not half. Coward. You came here to report this because you never thought I would be able to refute what you are saying. LOL think again.
Most STD's can be treated medically.There are even medications for herpes. My fiancee is Korean & in the past worked at AMP's for 14 yrs . She was successfully treated for most including syphylis.
Be safe.
First: I do not have an STD.
Second: I NEVER mentioned a name to anybody.
I most sincerely apologize for the drama I brought to the board and to this woman. When a doctor told me that I more than likely had an STD of some sort, I panicked, plain and simple. This was compounded by the fact that I had incredible genital pain. When firsts tests came back negative, he even had me retested. Scared shitless, I made horrid decisions. I am truly sorry.
After seeing three doctors and having thousands of dollars worth of tests, it was discovered that I have nerve damage that affects my genitals. The pain mimics that of some STDs, but one doctor told me that reason he knew I didn't was an STD was that the pain lasted so long. Only recently has it started to subside.
It's humiliating and humbling that so many people have heard from me at my very worst.
Once more, I apologize; especially to Cherryxoxoxo.
[QUOTE=Agent61]You're going to marry Korean a girl who worked as a Full Service massage provider for 14 years.[/QUOTE]Agent61,
I'm not offended. People change. My fiancee is no longer working in an AMP. In fact if she had not been honest and told me I likely would never have known. Unless some one else in her past appeared one day and told me. I know her as a successful local Korean business woman. What she did once, even if it was many years of full service & BBBJ's, is not what she does now. Actually she's very conservative. My friend and soon to be wife has told me of several of her "friends" from the past, some whom worked as long as her, who subsequently married American's with no mention of what they did before. The guys have know idea. In fact I've begun to realize that many divorced from American Korean females in their late 30's or in their 40's (especially one's formerly married to ex-GI's)have likely at one time or another worked at an AMP. Also I'm very happy to hear that Dbldowndon does not have a serious STD. The diagnosis sounds unusual. Possible reactivation herpes zoster was what I was thinking but if all is well I am happy for him. To all stay safe. You may never know that the woman you are with has been with several thousand other guys before you, unless she's honest, which is likely not going to be the case.
[QUOTE=Dbldowndon]First: I do not have an STD.
Second: I NEVER mentioned a name to anybody.
I most sincerely apologize for the drama I brought to the board and to this woman. When a doctor told me that I more than likely had an STD of some sort, I panicked, plain and simple. This was compounded by the fact that I had incredible genital pain. When firsts tests came back negative, he even had me retested. Scared shitless, I made horrid decisions. I am truly sorry.
After seeing three doctors and having thousands of dollars worth of tests, it was discovered that I have nerve damage that affects my genitals. The pain mimics that of some STDs, but one doctor told me that reason he knew I didn't was an STD was that the pain lasted so long. Only recently has it started to subside.
It's humiliating and humbling that so many people have heard from me at my very worst.
Once more, I apologize; especially to Cherryxoxoxo.[/QUOTE]
It takes a nice wake up call to make you realize what truly matters in life. Fortunately you made your realization without ever catching anything. I caught the clap and although i caught it fairly early and didnt experience the full symptoms, it was embarrasing enough to make me want to drop the lifestyle. As much as I do visit the board and as much as i do get the urge every now and then, like a crack addict who needs his hit, I think back to those 2 weeks of medication and fear that I gave it to my SO.
I thought I'd post here, just to weigh in.
I have no social skills. I am 24 years old and have never had a girlfriend or been on a date and still have not kissed a girl.
After graduating from college, I did get a good job in engineering with a high salary. So, about 10 months ago I decided that 23 years was long enough and experimented with 'providers.' I had sex with three escorts and accepted a few HJs/BJs from strippers and massage girls.
Everything I did with the escorts was with a condom. No bare-back anything.
I recieved a BBBJ one time from one stripper and some brief bare oral teasing a couple times from another.
Well, I think I have contracted herpes. I have a spot on my lip which has now broken out three times in the same place. This is usually accompanied by a sore throat as well. I won't know for sure until I am tested, but I have read descriptions about cold sores and it matches my symptoms exactly: A tingling red spot which develops into a blister after about a day.
I now believe that this is far riskier than most of us like to think. I dabbled lightly in the hobby for less than a year and have already gotten a life-long infection.
I know that some guys on these forums are much more active than I, and participate regularly in bare oral activies, both giving and recieving. I have a difficult time believing that they haven't caught anything. I even have my doubts about those who closely practice safe techiques. Condoms are not 100% effective and I now think that a "frequent-flier" who stays on the safe side will still catch something.
Hey hon;
You may not believe it; but, you could've gotten herpes years ago. From the sound of it, you play safe; so unlikely. People that have it can (usually) only pass it on when they have an outbreak.
Have it tested, rather than going on what boards say, k? Or, being fearful & skeered; for having a b. S., that is NOT how scientific method goes, eh?
[QUOTE=Ilikebbw]I thought I'd post here, just to weigh in.
I have no social skills. I am 24 years old and have never had a girlfriend or been on a date and still have not kissed a girl.
After graduating from college, I did get a good job in engineering with a high salary. So, about 10 months ago I decided that 23 years was long enough and experimented with 'providers.' I had sex with three escorts and accepted a few HJs/BJs from strippers and massage girls.
Everything I did with the escorts was with a condom. No bare-back anything.
I recieved a BBBJ one time from one stripper and some brief bare oral teasing a couple times from another.
Well, I think I have contracted herpes. I have a spot on my lip which has now broken out three times in the same place. This is usually accompanied by a sore throat as well. I won't know for sure until I am tested, but I have read descriptions about cold sores and it matches my symptoms exactly: A tingling red spot which develops into a blister after about a day.
I now believe that this is far riskier than most of us like to think. I dabbled lightly in the hobby for less than a year and have already gotten a life-long infection.
I know that some guys on these forums are much more active than I, and participate regularly in bare oral activies, both giving and recieving. I have a difficult time believing that they haven't caught anything. I even have my doubts about those who closely practice safe techiques. Condoms are not 100% effective and I now think that a "frequent-flier" who stays on the safe side will still catch something.[/QUOTE]Dont' put your mouth on a vagina that fucks half of the city that your located in.
It's common sense.
If you were not dinning at the Y how did you get it on your lip? STDs that a rubber does not protect you against tend to be skin to skin contact. If you received a BBBJ it will not show on your lip. If you ate her out that is another thing, if your were Kissing them could be herp 1 but that anyone can get. Until you are tested you never know. I had some scares myself turned out to be nothing. Your mind plays a lot on that.
See the chart bellow:
[url]http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/url]
[QUOTE=Ilikebbw]I thought I'd post here, just to weigh in.
I have no social skills. I am 24 years old and have never had a girlfriend or been on a date and still have not kissed a girl.
After graduating from college, I did get a good job in engineering with a high salary. So, about 10 months ago I decided that 23 years was long enough and experimented with 'providers.' I had sex with three escorts and accepted a few HJs/BJs from strippers and massage girls.
Everything I did with the escorts was with a condom. No bare-back anything.
I recieved a BBBJ one time from one stripper and some brief bare oral teasing a couple times from another.
Well, I think I have contracted herpes. I have a spot on my lip which has now broken out three times in the same place. This is usually accompanied by a sore throat as well. I won't know for sure until I am tested, but I have read descriptions about cold sores and it matches my symptoms exactly: A tingling red spot which develops into a blister after about a day.
I now believe that this is far riskier than most of us like to think. I dabbled lightly in the hobby for less than a year and have already gotten a life-long infection.
I know that some guys on these forums are much more active than I, and participate regularly in bare oral activies, both giving and recieving. I have a difficult time believing that they haven't caught anything. I even have my doubts about those who closely practice safe techiques. Condoms are not 100% effective and I now think that a "frequent-flier" who stays on the safe side will still catch something.[/QUOTE]
Herpes is a virus that can infect any mucous membrane (think oral, genital or anal). Herpes simplex I and II while preferring oral and genital in that order, can infect any of the membranes mentioned. Yes, once you get it, it inserts its DNA into your chromosomes, and you have it for life.
About 80% of the population has oral herpes, and 25% has genital herpes. We are more likely to know the source of our genital infection. Lesions can appear on the outside (fever blisters, cold sores, etc) or on the inside (sore spot on the tongue, etc). Oral to genital transmission is relatively common, tho proper use of condoms are effective protection for a date giving a BJ.
If there is a good news item, the severity of flair ups seems to decline after the first VERY painful and uncomfortable infection.
HappyDave's post is a list of the worst case scenarios for transmission (it even suggests oral transmission of HIV for where there is almost no convincing evidence. But see note below about Herpes and HIV.)
Yes--this hobby carries its risks, and activities need to be within risk boundaries you are willing to accept. Herpes is an annoyance, but hardly life threatening. Clap and syphilis are dangerous, but (to this point) treatable. HIV is a whole different story. BTW, Herpes lesions may well make you more susceptible to HIV infection.
It goes a long way to
1) judge the cleanliness of your 'date', (Hey--if she has sores on her mouth or especially giner, turn her out!),
2) keep yourself clean,
3) thoroughly wash up after the date, and be aware of signs of STDs.
Accept the (even minimized) risks or give up the hobby.
[QUOTE=HappyDave]...if your were Kissing them could be herp 1 but that anyone can get. Until you are tested you never know.
See the chart bellow:
[url]http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, I am going to get tested this week.
I will say this -- The sores I had were relatively painless, not much different than a regular pimple or ingrown hair. I am still convinced that it is herpes though.
I actually visited with an escort around the last day of January. As I said in my first post, I have never kissed a girl and so I asked this one if I could. She said okay, but I didn't really even count it because she wasn't very responsive and kept her mouth closed. The whole thing only lasted 5 or 10 seconds. I thought that I had experienced symptoms before this, but I now think that it is how I contracted the disease. I guess I literally "asked for it."