Drama 101 in Cleveland

I'm guessing most of us have made the same kind of mistake at least once.

[QUOTE=AlSmits346;4709123]Never been happier since I left my wife. Not just sexually either but in every aspect of life. Best thing I ever did.[/QUOTE]

Looks like a lot of us have been there done that. I love living single again. And what I spend today is much less then what I paid keeping a wife. Not counting the BS that comes with the wife.

H.

The thing is, society, religion and government have all adopted rules that, unbeknownst to most of us, turn us into slaves if we marry and have kids. And even if we are married and have no kids if we are married long enough. It is the attempt to control men thru access to sex, which I'm sure I have posted about before. If you want to protect yourself, you have to really understand the laws and have a good lawyer to set up a trust for yourself that exists before you marry to protect your assets from predation if the marriage goes sour, especially if you have kids. After you marry, for the most part everything you create will be considered to be half hers. If you have kids, the domestic relations gestapo, usually these days a feminist woman, will drag every dime you create that is not protected in some way to "calculate" how much child support you owe. And remember, you have no control on how that money is spent. As long as she can show the kids have a roof over their heads, clothing and meals, she can spend the rest in the casino if she wants to. And if you give the judge as a reason for divorce that the hot 20 something woman you married has turned into a 30 something 350 lb. Blob of fat that not only keeps a dirty house but that you wouldn't fuck with the judge's strap-on, she'll hang your ass from the nearest streetlight.

Its just a bad situation. In my case, I don't even want to go into it. Lets just say my youngest is 29, and my child support is almost paid off.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4709318]I'm guessing most of us have made the same kind of mistake at least once.[/QUOTE]I came close twice but never went thru with it and in both cases they showed their inner ***** before we got hitched and in one case she was nice enough to get fat BEFORE she had me trapped lmao. Of course, the fact that the one that got fat also became a self identified inter-sectional feminist (who believed that EVERY man should pay alimony regardless of income disparity for LIFE!) towards the end of our relationship was reason enough to run away screaming.

Honestly I know of several happy couples but they are few and far between. I'd love to find the one but it's not worth playing the financial Russian roulette.

My first thought was this is a total BS post. And several post followed asking for who the girl is in the post. Nothing. I tend to agree with some of the other comments about how to treat a provider. If the girl in your post actually exists then she sounds like someone I would have had way more fun with. I've never had a provider say "Hey, where are you going? Don't leave me yet, I want more". Bottom line if you treat someone like $hit you are going to be treated like $hit in return. Believe it that I've spoken with girls that use their right to pick and chose same as we do. They have their own list of "one and done" and won't ever accept a repeat from certain mongers.

[QUOTE=JackRogers;4773904]Visited a well reviewed provider a couple months back, before the Corona! It is rare for me to want anything but good head with swallow. Occasionally I will hit it from the back or get some anal, but she has to be clean and at least appear safe.

This provider wanted to screw but I explained that I only wanted oral. She asked me if I eat pussy, yes I said but not today. After I shot my load, I started getting dressed and she got pissed and said "what about me"? "Aren't you going to return the favor?

I explained that I am paying her to give me good head, swallow my load and occasionally bend over. That as a paying customer I only want what I want. At the end of the day we all know what we are paying for.

She started crying and said "I am not a *****". I just smiled and left.

Am I wrong in only wanting what I want??[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4775441]My first thought was this is a total BS post. And several post followed asking for who the girl is in the post. Nothing. I tend to agree with some of the other comments about how to treat a provider. If the girl in your post actually exists then she sounds like someone I would have had way more fun with. I've never had a provider say "Hey, where are you going? Don't leave me yet, I want more". Bottom line if you treat someone like $hit you are going to be treated like $hit in return. Believe it that I've spoken with girls that use their right to pick and chose same as we do. They have their own list of "one and done" and won't ever accept a repeat from certain mongers.[/QUOTE]Now way this girl even exist.

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4775441]My first thought was this is a total BS post. And several post followed asking for who the girl is in the post. Nothing. I tend to agree with some of the other comments about how to treat a provider. If the girl in your post actually exists then she sounds like someone I would have had way more fun with. I've never had a provider say "Hey, where are you going? Don't leave me yet, I want more". Bottom line if you treat someone like $hit you are going to be treated like $hit in return. Believe it that I've spoken with girls that use their right to pick and chose same as we do. They have their own list of "one and done" and won't ever accept a repeat from certain mongers.[/QUOTE]I agree that we should not treat them like cum dumps but at the end of the day that is what they are. Did I mean to hurt her feelings, no not at all. But I provided a fee I expect a service I pay for. I will say she was fairly stoned.

If I was actual a total dick, I would tell you her name so you all could make fun of her, I think she is newer to the business. I never said she she "don't leave me" or "I want more" she felt that she gave me some good head and she wanted her pussy licked. I could only image t dicks in that thing, nope only blowjobs for me. I am very upfront with these girls, they need to either agree or say no. When they way yes, cum dump it is. Period.

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4775441]My first thought was this is a total BS post. And several post followed asking for who the girl is in the post. Nothing. I tend to agree with some of the other comments about how to treat a provider. If the girl in your post actually exists then she sounds like someone I would have had way more fun with. I've never had a provider say "Hey, where are you going? Don't leave me yet, I want more". Bottom line if you treat someone like $hit you are going to be treated like $hit in return. Believe it that I've spoken with girls that use their right to pick and chose same as we do. They have their own list of "one and done" and won't ever accept a repeat from certain mongers.[/QUOTE]I agree, she doesn't exist. I had asked who she was couple days ago. Sounded like someone I could have allot of fun with as a regular. I love to make a woman feel as good as me. Guarantees a great time and as a regular usually no more clock watching.

[QUOTE=XmasBeagle;5007286]There are definitely $400 and up girls out there. I see plenty of them. Early 20's, absolutely perfect bodies, 10/10, no drugs. BB everything, sometimes including greek, CIP most often available. Filming. No rush. Take directions and suggestions. Come to me instead of me to them. Reliable txters and schedulers.

It's a lot of money to some, not a lot to others. Also, inflation is a thing and so is an old timer trying to buy soda for a nickel. Ohio prices are a thing, too.

You win some, you lose some. It was a loss, close to a draw with eve. I have a UTR $250 girl that checks off everything I discussed above that I give $400 to just because. She stays for hours and I film 70 to 120 GB of footage with her. She should be in LA earning $1000.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm with XmasBeagle on this one. Like most things, you get what you pay for. You want a real PSE, you pay for it. I've paid the extra and had the young girls with the flawless bodies. I've bad with pocket change and gotten a quick BBBJ from a SW who needed the money to get her next score. All depends on what you want.

[QUOTE=InDelaware;5014206]Yeah, I'm with XmasBeagle on this one. Like most things, you get what you pay for. You want a real PSE, you pay for it. I've paid the extra and had the young girls with the flawless bodies. I've bad with pocket change and gotten a quick BBBJ from a SW who needed the money to get her next score. All depends on what you want.[/QUOTE]Unless its a famous porn star for a bucket list thing. These girls couldn't make 20 bucks an hour in a real job, them asking 400 for 20 minutes with you is absurd. Its also a big turnoff. So say you make 60 k per year, that's 30 bucks an hour. One of these girls are worth 15 hours of your paycheck? Think about it. Your only spending 20 minutes or so of real fun, and the girl cares NOTHING about you. If she saw you in public she would walk the other way. And it really doesn't matter how much we make. I make much more now than 10 years ago, but I don't pay 4 times as much for oil changes, food, etc. You get what you pay. That's something a salesperson would say. People who pay 400 are they also going to the bar and buying everyone drinks and thinking they have a lot of friends. Another absurd thing is being a sugar daddy. How degrading. The girl pretends to like a guy for an allowance. I know its different from a high prices girl, but there are similarities. They both just scratch an itch. They are completely superficial and neither will ever lead to anything real. That right there makes them not worth anywhere near 400. Here's a thought experiment. (2) 400 vouchers, you get to choose a) spending 20 minutes of fun with 2 girls or B) a set of Ping golf clubs that will last 30 years. Or C) a full fly fishing rig that will last 30 years or D) Hunting equipment that will last 30 years or 800 dollars of anything. Who would honestly pick (A) over all other choices. Again its like going on a real date with a girl-she picks the most expensive drinks and food, wants you to take her shopping after. I think most of us have been here and when this happens its a total turn off no matter what the girl looks like. How low does the girl think we are to pay 400 for her. That's how I look at it and I can't see how others look at it differently. IMO no girl is worth more than 120 for a QV. She can do a 20 minute qv for 120 or work an 8 hour shift bartending to make the same amount. And even at 120 most of these girls are disappointing, even the hot ones.

Since we don't run in those circles we forget there are some people who have (earn, inherit, invent, whatever) much more money than they know what to do with. I have seen those people. It could very well be your next door neighbor who is worth 10 MM and you would never guess. So to them, for whatever reason, it's worth it. Not in the cards for me or probably for most of us. But, if you've got it enjoy it.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]Unless its a famous porn star for a bucket list thing. These girls couldn't make 20 bucks an hour in a real job, them asking 400 for 20 minutes with you is absurd. Its also a big turnoff. So say you make 60 k per year, that's 30 bucks an hour. One of these girls are worth 15 hours of your paycheck? Think about it. Your only spending 20 minutes or so of real fun, and the girl cares NOTHING about you. If she saw you in public she would walk the other way. And it really doesn't matter how much we make. I make much more now than 10 years ago, but I don't pay 4 times as much for oil changes, food, etc. You get what you pay. That's something a salesperson would say. People who pay 400 are they also going to the bar and buying everyone drinks and thinking they have a lot of friends. Another absurd thing is being a sugar daddy. How degrading. The girl pretends to like a guy for an allowance. I know its different from a high prices girl, but there are similarities. They both just scratch an itch. They are completely superficial and neither will ever lead to anything real. That right there makes them not worth anywhere near 400. Here's a thought experiment. (2) 400 vouchers, you get to choose a) spending 20 minutes of fun with 2 girls or B) a set of Ping golf clubs that will last 30 years. Or C) a full fly fishing rig that will last 30 years or D) Hunting equipment that will last 30 years or 800 dollars of anything. Who would honestly pick (A) over all other choices. Again its like going on a real date with a girl-she picks the most expensive drinks and food, wants you to take her shopping after. I think most of us have been here and when this happens its a total turn off no matter what the girl looks like. How low does the girl think we are to pay 400 for her. That's how I look at it and I can't see how others look at it differently. IMO no girl is worth more than 120 for a QV. She can do a 20 minute qv for 120 or work an 8 hour shift bartending to make the same amount. And even at 120 most of these girls are disappointing, even the hot ones.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]Unless its a famous porn star for a bucket list thing. These girls couldn't make 20 bucks an hour in a real job, them asking 400 for 20 minutes with you is absurd. Its also a big turnoff. So say you make 60 k per year, that's 30 bucks an hour. One of these girls are worth 15 hours of your paycheck? Think about it. Your only spending 20 minutes or so of real fun, and the girl cares NOTHING about you. If she saw you in public she would walk the other way. And it really doesn't matter how much we make. I make much more now than 10 years ago, but I don't pay 4 times as much for oil changes, food, etc. You get what you pay. That's something a salesperson would say. People who pay 400 are they also going to the bar and buying everyone drinks and thinking they have a lot of friends. Another absurd thing is being a sugar daddy. How degrading. The girl pretends to like a guy for an allowance. I know its different from a high prices girl, but there are similarities. They both just scratch an itch. They are completely superficial and neither will ever lead to anything real. That right there makes them not worth anywhere near 400. Here's a thought experiment. (2) 400 vouchers, you get to choose a) spending 20 minutes of fun with 2 girls or B) a set of Ping golf clubs that will last 30 years. Or C) a full fly fishing rig that will last 30 years or D) Hunting equipment that will last 30 years or 800 dollars of anything. Who would honestly pick (A) over all other choices. Again its like going on a real date with a girl-she picks the most expensive drinks and food, wants you to take her shopping after. I think most of us have been here and when this happens its a total turn off no matter what the girl looks like. How low does the girl think we are to pay 400 for her. That's how I look at it and I can't see how others look at it differently. IMO no girl is worth more than 120 for a QV. She can do a 20 minute qv for 120 or work an 8 hour shift bartending to make the same amount. And even at 120 most of these girls are disappointing, even the hot ones.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of holes in your theory. First, comparing having a high-end girl for a short time to buying golf clubs is a flawed argument that assumes a finite amount of money where that isn't the case for everyone. Second, you left out volume; if you see 4 120 girls in a month where someone else sees one 400 girl, you've spent more.

I get the argument, and I've seen both types, but in the end I'd prefer quality over quantity. There is no comparison between the quality of the 400 girls to the 120 girls. In general, no drama, no tracks / bruises / cuts / scabs / rashes / etc. , no pimps waiting to rob you, no shady neighborhoods, etc. With the 400 girls.

Like the other guy said, your position is full of flaws.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]Your only spending 20 minutes or so of real fun.[/QUOTE]This is the biggest hole in your argument.

I spend at least an hour with my expensive girls, if not two or more. And it's not $400 per hour, it's $400 per visit. And it's not restrictive, full of rules, CFS. It's wide open menu, BB, filming. The filming alone allows me to preserve the date. That's my 30 years of fishing gear right there.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]and the girl cares NOTHING about you.[/QUOTE]Good.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]You get what you pay.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]People who pay 400 are they also going to the bar and buying everyone drinks and thinking they have a lot of friends.[/QUOTE]Literally the only thing I spend any money on are my three hobbies, all of which are expensive.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]spending 20 minutes of fun with 2 girls or B) a set of Ping golf clubs that will last 30 years. Or C) a full fly fishing rig that will last 30 years or D) Hunting equipment that will last 30 years[/QUOTE]I know you're cherry picking tangible products there, but I get what you're saying. Golf clubs, fishing crap, hunting stuff doesn't interest me at all. What does interest me? Fucking and filming drop dead gorgeous women. So THAT'S what I spend my money on.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]who would pick A over all other choices. [/QUOTE]Me.

[QUOTE=Bundy71;5016680]I get the argument, and I've seen both types, but in the end I'd prefer quality over quantity. There is no comparison between the quality of the 400 girls to the 120 girls. In general, no drama, no tracks / bruises / cuts / scabs / rashes / etc. , no pimps waiting to rob you, no shady neighborhoods, etc. With the 400 girls.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I've been dumpster diving, too. I'm sick of it. If I could see four $100 cracked out addicts or one $400 stunner, I know what I'm picking.

If I'm hungry, I might go to McDonalds, Longhorn if I want to relax, or Ruth's Chris if I want to dine. I think even the most frugal monger will agree that everyone isn't always in the mood for a burger, even if it will get him full.

[QUOTE=XmasBeagle;5017840]Like the other guy said, your position is full of flaws.

This is the biggest hole in your argument.

I spend at least an hour with my expensive girls, if not two or more. And it's not $400 per hour, it's $400 per visit. And it's not restrictive, full of rules, CFS. It's wide open menu, BB, filming. The filming alone allows me to preserve the date. That's my 30 years of fishing gear right there.

Good.

Exactly.

Literally the only thing I spend any money on are my three hobbies, all of which are expensive.

I know you're cherry picking tangible products there, but I get what you're saying. Golf clubs, fishing crap, hunting stuff doesn't interest me at all. What does interest me? Fucking and filming drop dead gorgeous women. So THAT'S what I spend my money on.

Me.

Exactly. I've been dumpster diving, too. I'm sick of it. If I could see four $100 cracked out addicts or one $400 stunner, I know what I'm picking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BukLulu;5039886]Girls like that belong in institutions.[/QUOTE]Should we stay away? Just curious why you say that.