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Ymmv
	
	
		[QUOTE=Walker333;3885231]A number of times I have tipped 100 an mt that I really liked for a good massage and just a L1, hoping to open up a menu on the next visit. Guess what! Nothing new / amazing has happened even on my fifth visit. She just kept repeating I don't do that. ! Actually at one point she started question me about my private life. She obviously received a wrong massage. This story happened with more than one mt. Thus I came to conclusion that if mt doesn't do "that," she will not change her practice no matter how financially grateful we are, unless she gets an engagement ring.[/QUOTE]I don't have a problem tipping $70 when the amt is cute, teases, gives great massage, lets me pull her tits out and suck her nipples, rub her pussy, spank her, then licks my nipples while I pull her hair and she jerks me off. Then jerks me off again during ts. Now why you would tip $100 for a standard L1 and repeat 5 times with no result is beyond me. I hope she was hot as hell.
	 
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Belmont.
	
	
		My first post since this became a. Nl. Anyway, is Michelle still at Belmont? I was last there in the winter, maybe my third time seeing here, she went L3. May explore the others there to see if they have similar menus.
	 
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Really?
	
	
		[QUOTE=Walker333;3885231]A number of times I have tipped 100 an mt that I really liked for a good massage and just a L1, hoping to open up a menu on the next visit. Guess what! Nothing new / amazing has happened even on my fifth visit. She just kept repeating I don't do that. ! Actually at one point she started question me about my private life. She obviously received a wrong massage. This story happened with more than one mt. Thus I came to conclusion that if mt doesn't do "that," she will not change her practice no matter how financially grateful we are, unless she gets an engagement ring.[/QUOTE]The conclusion you have come to is flawed. There is no reason to get beyond L1, or receive better service as a reward for being a good (actually dumb) tipper. If they are getting $100 from you for L1, there is no incentive to provide you the market value service for $100. Many times, if you tip with, say a 20% increase over the standard tip amount a few of times ($50 for HJ, instead of the standard $40) you can usually get them to open up a bit and gradually each subsequent. Visit, but it takes time and a couple of visits at each stage. For example, if you receive a good massage, with a good tease, and HJ, then tip $50 a couple of times. On the next visit, try to negotiate, or just ask for their tits out for some, breast play, then tip $60. After a couple of visits more, you may have them nude while they give you HJ, with full roaming allowed. Then tip a little more. Inch them along to eventually finding out where their true ceiling is.
Never over tip in hopes of receiving better service later. They work in the here and now and your tips should be that way too. Why provide $100 service, when already getting $100 for L1 $40-$50 service?
	 
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World Health Spa
	
	
		Hey fellow mongers, I need some help.
I looked up in Chicago Massage Parlor Reports but I couldn't find anything for World Health Spa in Algonquin.
Can anyone tell me which Sub-Forum is this place under?
Thanks.
	 
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Algonquin
	
	
		I didn't check for that SPA but in general it think you could check "Other Areas" at the bottom of the Illinois listings. At the bottom of the "Other Areas" thread there are various locations. One is MCHenry/Crystal Lake.     There's also a search tool. Might help you find it.
Bob.
[QUOTE=BigG;3887530]Hey fellow mongers, I need some help.
I looked up in Chicago Massage Parlor Reports but I couldn't find anything for World Health Spa in Algonquin.
Can anyone tell me which Sub-Forum is this place under?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
	 
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		[QUOTE=Bob521;3887884]I didn't check for that SPA but in general it think you could check "Other Areas" at the bottom of the Illinois listings. At the bottom of the "Other Areas" thread there are various locations. One is MCHenry/Crystal Lake.     There's also a search tool. Might help you find it.
Bob.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Bob.
	 
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		[QUOTE=ReadyForRub;3885768]For years we've been told "No! Means No.[/QUOTE]Believe it if you want but I don't. I once read a book and one of the nuggets in it was that "No" actually means 'Not yet.' Which makes sense. One of his statements to back that up was not scoring on first dates. That's pretty common. But if we hang in there and don't completely creep them out, usually by the third to fifth date things will change.
Similar here. Let's face it. They're in the sex business whether that's what they want to call it or not. We're usually lying naked on a bed / table and she's touching us. Duh. I promise you that with persistence and friendliness that "No" can / will eventually switch to "maybe next time" to "Ok but don't tell anyone. ".
It's happened to me and I'm sure many others here. Heck, I know a guy thats now banging a woman that was celibate for 20 years.  Oh, Hi Bob521.  lol.  It all depends how much (time and or interest) we want to invest.
I've learned that females will do anything. Yes, that. And that too. And that too. Anything. Anything. Anything. Even the most prudish ones. It blows my mind but it's true. And here's a clue. Money Talks.
Of course, as a disclaimer to all the above written, YMMV. Especially nowadays. Does 'Me Too' ring a bell? But IMHO, "No" doesn't always mean no.
Being an entrepreneur, if there's an account or new customer I want and he says no the first time I pitch him, it doesn't deter me. Just tells me he's not ready yet and to come back another time.
	 
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		Cigar club on belmont near harlem?
[QUOTE=KarnEvil9;3884395]I want to thank everyone for all the valuable information that has been shared on this forum. It is now time for me to start contributing.
1. Sunshine Health Massage / Buffalo Grove:
I visited Sunshine this past Sunday. This is one of the best legit massages (Level 0) I have ever received. I had the 2-hour for $120 + tip. Mei is incredibly talented and a wonderful soul. About a half hour into the massage, another girl came into the room (I believe her name is Anna) and started to massage me as well. The 4-hand massage was incredible. After a while, Anna left and Mei continued on. You can tell that Mei really cares about her clients. She massages you with real feel and emotion. I highly recommend this place.
2. Tracy / Outcall / Level 1.
[URL]https://chicago.rubratings.com/52081[/URL]
Pros:
The pictures are current and real.
Her boobs are phenomenal. I was able to roam and play freely.
She was on time.
She seemed like a nice and pleasant girl.
Cons:
She hit me up for a $50 up-charge for going topless (yes, I did pay it.).
She is somewhat of a clock watcher.
She was checking her phone and texting quite a bit.
Her shorts remained on.
Sorry fellas, I do not remember what the up-front fee was.
3. Rina / Indie / In-Call / Level 1.
[URL]https://chicago.rubratings.com/120821[/URL]
$140 1-Hr.
Rina is an absolute sweetheart. She is like visiting an old girlfriend. She gives a very nice massage with topless roaming. I was able to do a little roaming over her panties as well. Her pictures are current and real. We had a lot of fun. I will definitely repeat.
One more thing. Approximately 14 years ago, I used to be a member of The Cigar Club. It was somewhat of an underground place. Someone had to vouch for you to become a member. It has been gone for probably 12 years now. I was just wondering if anyone from the forum used to go there. It was a very cool place.
Again, thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
	 
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Adrianna or Ruby
	
	
		Hey guys,
Has anyone seen Adrianna before? She has a good amount of good reviews but they are vague.
[URL]https://chicago.rubratings.com/122054[/URL]
Or Ruby?
[URL]https://chicago.rubratings.com/50569[/URL]
I typically see agency girls and have only gone to one massage that I feel was way overpriced but I thought the girl was hot. Not sure if these would be similar cases. For example, Adrianna charges 150 for hhr nuru and 250 for the hr. Wonder if it includes anything.
	 
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		[QUOTE=GMan25;3887340]Why provide $100 service, when already getting $100 for L1 $40-$50 service?[/QUOTE]Consider it a tip.
If $60 is market rate, I will throw in another $40 from time to time if it's great. I've paid a lot more than that before, and was happy about it.
Sorry if that screws up the market rate for everyone else, but frankly this isn't a team sport and even though we might share some info, I'm not sharing a bank account with you boys.
	 
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Bodyrubschicago.
	
	
		Made an appointment the other day at the wicker park location. Setup was easy. Made an appointment with Eva but the girl's name turned out to be Dani. Not the girl in the pics but pretty attractive. Got the nude massage although should have just gone for topless since there was not access allowed. L2 was available for. 8 extra. Decent finish. She just wanted to get it over with so it wasn't as good as it could have been. Probably won't repeat here.
	 
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		[QUOTE=BigTcklr32;3888211]Cigar club on belmont near harlem?[/QUOTE]Yep, that's it. I believe it was on Diversey. I heard "P" was going to open up a different place in Joliet, but I don't think he did.
	 
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		[QUOTE=Smoothie929;3888232]Hey guys,
Has anyone seen Adrianna before? She has a good amount of good reviews but they are vague.
[URL]https://chicago.rubratings.com/122054[/URL]
 For example, Adrianna charges 150 for hhr nuru and 250 for the hr. Wonder if it includes anything.[/QUOTE]I have *not* seen Adrianna but have seen her friend Anna.
Please see my post about Anna in the the Mt. Prospect "General Reports" thread. GPS regarding upgrades.
In texts with Adrianna I pretty much was led to believe what I reported about Anna could be reported about Adrianna.
Or maybe you have better negotiating skills than I do!
	 
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		[QUOTE=Smoothie929;3888232]Hey guys,
Has anyone seen Adrianna before? She has a good amount of good reviews but they are vague.
[URL]https://chicago.rubratings.com/122054[/URL]
Or Ruby?
[URL]https://chicago.rubratings.com/50569[/URL]
I typically see agency girls and have only gone to one massage that I feel was way overpriced but I thought the girl was hot. Not sure if these would be similar cases. For example, Adrianna charges 150 for hhr nuru and 250 for the hr. Wonder if it includes anything.[/QUOTE]Have seen Adrianna once. Haven't repeated since so YMMV and take it for what you will. The hhr and hr nuru doesn't include anything other than an L1 finish. I'm not sure if that changes if you repeat but first meeting, nothing extra. I also couldn't roam around the chest area so big turn off for me. Pics are fairly accurate and she's pretty attractive (at least from my taste). Her looks didn't offset what I thought was an average to less than average session.
	 
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		Yep just east of harlem, too bad.
[QUOTE=KarnEvil9;3888516]Yep, that's it. I believe it was on Diversey. I heard "P" was going to open up a different place in Joliet, but I don't think he did.[/QUOTE]