"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=NUG33;1934876]Thanks for the welcome and words of wisdom from Revvo (my personal hero) Fred & J. Per your guys words, I have three flaws I'm working on. Setting expectations, working on my "game", and building my stable. Women always say I'm very good looking, but I was the skinny nerd in HS, and while I got bigger in military, never worked on my game. I was always the nice guy they wanted to date / marry after fucking you sugar daddies and fast talking jocks out there.

Which brings me to yesterday. I booked stripper lady for a quick car date, when spinner NA sends me text. I played it cool and replied hours later with quick text. She apologized for attitude over weekend, and wanted to see me. I set expectations, my sugar and her sugar, and setup meet for later. Had to cancel other date and she was sad, but I'll make it up to her. So I picked up NA, and pounded all three holes for two hours. She apologized again, said she was dealing with personal stuff but was happy with my gift, and everyone went home happy. Guys, this girl has the tightest and sweetest smelling pussy I ever had. Thinking I might hit it again tonight, if available.

My hope is that I continue to grow in the game as I post my experiences and learn from the masters. Thanks![/QUOTE]Nug my brother. That is how you do it! Awesome. Now you are getting the pussy (and the ass and the mouth) and at your price and with the right attitude.

Keep them happy and be good to them. But don't take any shit from them. They will not only like this. They will be turned on by it. The minute you become a "nice guy" they loose their attraction for you. And that is like kryptonite to the pussy.

Keep up the good work. And keep reporting.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1934970]Not that I'm dumb enough to think they are not talking, but TheAthlete says to leave her alone, if she's not responding, then she's not interested. This entire thing has been weird from the moment I found out that I contacted the other. I did let her know that if she (theAthlete) changes her mind, to let me know. Otherwise, I'm moving on.

(SMH).

Bowling a gutter ball...

BigTigg.[/QUOTE]Sorry this happened brother. Once they start this behavior they lose respect for you and then it does not end well.

This has happened to me a few times. And I think I have learned my lesson. But time will tell. I think that a lot of these babies justify it to themselves that since we are cheating on our wives it is ok for them to be douches to us.

I am always looking for ways to test / detect issues of loyalty with a baby. I am having concerns right now with my girl next door baby. Not looking good.

And we have a good history together.

Worried in Fla.

Revvo.

So my new little Hottie referenced below. Is now my new little sugar baby. This is truly a lesson in probability. If I had to go through the SD site and find a POT that was not going to be getting fucked by me this would be her. She has gone from 5% to 100% in about 3 1/2 weeks.

Reasons for not probable:

1. She is real hot.

2. Profile had a bad attitude.

3. She was demanding in her profile.

4. She wanted a lot of money.

5. She wanted an allowance right off the bat.

But I worked it with no expectations. And gave it very much a devil may care attitude. See story below. And today he shoots and he scores. So the good the bad and the ugly.

The ugly is she has a temper and is defensive. But on the other hand she is not mean or dishonest.

The bad. She is hurting for money and this always can be a potential problem. And she is hot. And you know my theory on hot women. She is a 9.5/9/8/9 .

The good. She fucks like a maniac, she is loyal, and is honest to a fault.

There is an old saying. And this goes double for women and triple for the babies. Look at what they do and not at what they say. If I looked at what this one said I would have been gone a long time ago. But her actions are good. She tells the truth. She does not try to work me. She trusts me such as leaving her purse in my hotel room. She fucks me well and with enthusiasm. So the story.

We met today. For breakfast since she could not meet in the afternoon. I kept my hotel from last night where I had fucked my little Colombian princess. So I saved myself on hotel costs. Nice 3 star hotel. With free parking and no resort fees for $62 divided by two visits. That is good. She had a little fender bender before coming to meet me so she was in a bad mood. In fact when we met I thought I might just leave her at the restaurant right here. I even told her so. This is the angry attitude. But I recognized her stress and just let it be. Then she cooled off and things got better. Slowly.

We went back to my hotel. And she was very nervous. She never had done anything like this before. (true amateur), and she had not had sex in a long time. (fresh) And she had never had sex with a man after only one meeting (very fresh). I was liking her more and more. So we finally get down to it. And things get really good. She is a great kisser. And that bodes well for the rest of it. She is not only submissive, but she is eager and anxious to get my dick out and start massaging it. I am taking my time and trying to get her good and ready but she is moving forward fast.

Now I have a theory on this. I believe these women are used to getting rushed and someone putting their dick in them before they are ready. And they think that is the way it is supposed to happen. If you can get them to slow down to the pace that a woman's body needs then the experience can get better. She had my cock in her mouth before I could say no. And was sucking it for all it was worth. And it was awesome. In fact I had to stop her to keep from exploding in her mouth. Because I wanted to fuck her also. Then I went down on her and licked that beautiful little pussy for all it was worth. And in no time she went from quiet and non expressive to very very expressive.

In fact she was wiggling around like a worm. And she got really really loud. So loud that I was worried she was going to alert the maid outside. That pussy got good and wet and by this time she was begging me to fuck her. And boys when I say tight I mean tight. I had to go in so fucking slow. Then when I was in the pounding began. And we both came her for the 2nd or third time.

This pussy was so tight, I could literally feel it grabbing onto my dick. That felt so fucking good. Then finally when I pulled out her little tight pussy held onto the end of the rubber like it was pinched. And pulled it off my dick. This has never happened even with my little girl next door. Who is really tight. It was great. So fucking great.

We have a winner my brothers. I am checking a lot of boxes off with this one. She is trustworthy. Honest. Loyal. Sexy. Beautiful. And fucks and sucks well.

This is coming at a good moment. Because my little girl next door is not showing much love. She has that strange disease allowance itus. Where once they start getting the allowance they are hard to locate. We will see. She has a lot of health problems and phone problems. But I am ready to cut her loose at this moment. But someone has to go. It may be her.

And I already had to let my MILF sweetheart POT go because she could not deal with me being married. And she is still on a sugar daddy site. For being an intelligent woman she sure is dumb.

Anyway back to my spunky hottie. I am set to meet her next week and it is only 150 per visit. And she is looking for apartments today. So very soon she will have her own place where I can go and fuck her without any hotel costs.

Life is good. At least for now.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo.

Great Report, keep up the good work Revvo!

[QUOTE=Revvo;1935348]So my new little Hottie referenced below. Is now my new little sugar baby. This is truly a lesson in probability. If I had to go through the SD site and find a POT that was not going to be getting fucked by me this would be her. She has gone from 5% to 100% in about 3 1/2 weeks.

Reasons for not probable:

1. She is real hot.

2. Profile had a bad attitude.

3. She was demanding in her profile.

4. She wanted a lot of money.

5. She wanted an allowance right off the bat.

But I worked it with no expectations. And gave it very much a devil may care attitude. See story below. And today he shoots and he scores. So the good the bad and the ugly.

The ugly is she has a temper and is defensive. But on the other hand she is not mean or dishonest.

The bad. She is hurting for money and this always can be a potential problem. And she is hot. And you know my theory on hot women. She is a 9.5/9/8/9 .

The good. She fucks like a maniac, she is loyal, and is honest to a fault.

There is an old saying. And this goes double for women and triple for the babies. Look at what they do and not at what they say. If I looked at what this one said I would have been gone a long time ago. But her actions are good. She tells the truth. She does not try to work me. She trusts me such as leaving her purse in my hotel room. She fucks me well and with enthusiasm. So the story.

We met today. For breakfast since she could not meet in the afternoon. I kept my hotel from last night where I had fucked my little Colombian princess. So I saved myself on hotel costs. Nice 3 star hotel. With free parking and no resort fees for $62 divided by two visits. That is good. She had a little fender bender before coming to meet me so she was in a bad mood. In fact when we met I thought I might just leave her at the restaurant right here. I even told her so. This is the angry attitude. But I recognized her stress and just let it be. Then she cooled off and things got better. Slowly.

We went back to my hotel. And she was very nervous. She never had done anything like this before. (true amateur), and she had not had sex in a long time. (fresh) And she had never had sex with a man after only one meeting (very fresh). I was liking her more and more. So we finally get down to it. And things get really good. She is a great kisser. And that bodes well for the rest of it. She is not only submissive, but she is eager and anxious to get my dick out and start massaging it. I am taking my time and trying to get her good and ready but she is moving forward fast.

Now I have a theory on this. I believe these women are used to getting rushed and someone putting their dick in them before they are ready. And they think that is the way it is supposed to happen. If you can get them to slow down to the pace that a woman's body needs then the experience can get better. She had my cock in her mouth before I could say no. And was sucking it for all it was worth. And it was awesome. In fact I had to stop her to keep from exploding in her mouth. Because I wanted to fuck her also. Then I went down on her and licked that beautiful little pussy for all it was worth. And in no time she went from quiet and non expressive to very very expressive.

In fact she was wiggling around like a worm. And she got really really loud. So loud that I was worried she was going to alert the maid outside. That pussy got good and wet and by this time she was begging me to fuck her. And boys when I say tight I mean tight. I had to go in so fucking slow. Then when I was in the pounding began. And we both came her for the 2nd or third time.

This pussy was so tight, I could literally feel it grabbing onto my dick. That felt so fucking good. Then finally when I pulled out her little tight pussy held onto the end of the rubber like it was pinched. And pulled it off my dick. This has never happened even with my little girl next door. Who is really tight. It was great. So fucking great.

We have a winner my brothers. I am checking a lot of boxes off with this one. She is trustworthy. Honest. Loyal. Sexy. Beautiful. And fucks and sucks well.

This is coming at a good moment. Because my little girl next door is not showing much love. She has that strange disease allowance itus. Where once they start getting the allowance they are hard to locate. We will see. She has a lot of health problems and phone problems. But I am ready to cut her loose at this moment. But someone has to go. It may be her.

And I already had to let my MILF sweetheart POT go because she could not deal with me being married. And she is still on a sugar daddy site. For being an intelligent woman she sure is dumb.

Anyway back to my spunky hottie. I am set to meet her next week and it is only 150 per visit. And she is looking for apartments today. So very soon she will have her own place where I can go and fuck her without any hotel costs.

Life is good. At least for now.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Revvo;1935348]So my new little Hottie referenced below. Is now my new little sugar baby. This is truly a lesson in probability. If I had to go through the SD site and find a POT that was not going to be getting fucked by me this would be her. She has gone from 5% to 100% in about 3 1/2 weeks.

...

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Well done brother!

Paralyze RESISTANCE with persistence.

Woody Hayes.

I haven't posted much because I don't want to jinx what's fallen in my lap (literally).

Back in September, I reported on a POT that was a 10/10/ She's 19, AA, a cheerleader, bi-sexual, and a complete spinner just like HG likes them. The sad part is she's a plane ride away. The great part is I've managed to snag a new client where she lives!

We've now met several times, and she's definitely a 10/10/10. I was pretty amazed at her skills. She's not asking for $ any more. Even better, she's recruiting women to play with us / me. She's already set-up a date for me with one of her friends that's visiting my area, and we're playing with her blonde (also a young spinner) BFF when I visit.

The only costs are wine and dine although I suspect a corporate apartment is on the horizon.

I'm still keeping my bench, but brothers right now I'm in heaven. I'll focus on this one and her friends until I either die of a stroke, or they get tired of me.

Well SB 2 is gone just like that. Apparently she's a pill head... Damn I'm going to miss her. Cool chick had some fun times and good laughs plus she is 9/9.5 across the board. So back on the hunt for me. I think I'll try SA this time. After Turkey day I'll be on the prowl. I still have SB1. I have had her since April. 3-4 times per month at 125. She is a solid 8 across the board but not as fun and emotionally there as SB2 was. I like settling into 2 girls that are consistently a 1 x per week visit. That works well for me and my schedule. We'll see if I can get there again.

First of all, the diversity of the members on this forum is incredible. Someone did a survey not too long ago asking where everyone was located. Seems like every section of the good old US of A was represented. Amazing.

I don't post much in this forum, though have been dabbling in the bowl for about a year and half. Had two great twenty-something SBs for my first experiences. Both had skills that blew (pun intended) my mind. Both were students and as that situation often presents itself with terminal circumstances (graduate and move away, etc) they have left the fold. Last summer I made the acquaintance through SA of a 46 year old MILF. This woman is amazing. She's had kids but through the magic of cesarean, she is as tight as a 26 year old. She's in the midst of a nasty divorce so sometimes the conversations when we are together (about three times a month) slide into that. But I listen (been through one of those myself!) and it helps with the bonding we all seek as opposed to a pro provider. She has a manic sex drive that I find hard (pun intended again) to keep up with. But I please her and she pleases me. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is off limits to her sexually speaking.

So here's my problem. She has told me that she is very, very bi-curious and wants to explore this with me in a FMF threesome. Yes. There is a God, right!! I've told her that this is every man's fantasy of course. So she is wanting this as much for me as for herself. But where do we find this elusive third party. CL is full of crazies and wackos, the only lesbian night spot in this part of the world is Babe's (those of you who know this area of VA know what that is) but you can only find butch dykes there. I know. Had Sunday brunch there one time years ago with my SO at the time and there was not a fem / girly-girly in sight (which is obviously what we are both looking for).

I am jealous of the SDs out there whose SBs are already bi-experienced and can dig up the occasional third party. But what is a desperate SD to do in this situation.

HELP! Comments, suggestions, advice.

ASL.

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv;1936443]First of all, the diversity of the members on this forum is incredible. Someone did a survey not too long ago asking where everyone was located. Seems like every section of the good old US of A was represented. Amazing.

I don't post much in this forum, though have been dabbling in the bowl for about a year and half. Had two great twenty-something SBs for my first experiences. Both had skills that blew (pun intended) my mind. Both were students and as that situation often presents itself with terminal circumstances (graduate and move away, etc) they have left the fold. Last summer I made the acquaintance through SA of a 46 year old MILF. This woman is amazing. She's had kids but through the magic of cesarean, she is as tight as a 26 year old. She's in the midst of a nasty divorce so sometimes the conversations when we are together (about three times a month) slide into that. But I listen (been through one of those myself!) and it helps with the bonding we all seek as opposed to a pro provider. She has a manic sex drive that I find hard (pun intended again) to keep up with. But I please her and she pleases me. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is off limits to her sexually speaking.

So here's my problem. She has told me that she is very, very bi-curious and wants to explore this with me in a FMF threesome. Yes. There is a God, right!! I've told her that this is every man's fantasy of course. So she is wanting this as much for me as for herself. But where do we find this elusive third party. CL is full of crazies and wackos, the only lesbian night spot in this part of the world is Babe's (those of you who know this area of VA know what that is) but you can only find butch dykes there. I know. Had Sunday brunch there one time years ago with my SO at the time and there was not a fem / girly-girly in sight (which is obviously what we are both looking for).

I am jealous of the SDs out there whose SBs are already bi-experienced and can dig up the occasional third party. But what is a desperate SD to do in this situation.

HELP! Comments, suggestions, advice.

ASL.[/QUOTE]Welcome brother. I am not that experienced in this a area but let me tell you what I have learned from my friends who have done this.

Let your SB do the looking. She will be much more able to put out the right vibe and attract the women.

And still I would craft a good ad on craigslist coming from her again. Then you can screen them together.

Enjoy. And keep writing.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv;1936443]First of all, the diversity of the members on this forum is incredible. Someone did a survey not too long ago asking where everyone was located. Seems like every section of the good old US of A was represented. Amazing.

I don't post much in this forum, though have been dabbling in the bowl for about a year and half. Had two great twenty-something SBs for my first experiences. Both had skills that blew (pun intended) my mind. Both were students and as that situation often presents itself with terminal circumstances (graduate and move away, etc) they have left the fold. Last summer I made the acquaintance through SA of a 46 year old MILF. This woman is amazing. She's had kids but through the magic of cesarean, she is as tight as a 26 year old. She's in the midst of a nasty divorce so sometimes the conversations when we are together (about three times a month) slide into that. But I listen (been through one of those myself!) and it helps with the bonding we all seek as opposed to a pro provider. She has a manic sex drive that I find hard (pun intended again) to keep up with. But I please her and she pleases me. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is off limits to her sexually speaking.

So here's my problem. She has told me that she is very, very bi-curious and wants to explore this with me in a FMF threesome. Yes. There is a God, right!! I've told her that this is every man's fantasy of course. So she is wanting this as much for me as for herself. But where do we find this elusive third party. CL is full of crazies and wackos, the only lesbian night spot in this part of the world is Babe's (those of you who know this area of VA know what that is) but you can only find butch dykes there. I know. Had Sunday brunch there one time years ago with my SO at the time and there was not a fem / girly-girly in sight (which is obviously what we are both looking for).

I am jealous of the SDs out there whose SBs are already bi-experienced and can dig up the occasional third party. But what is a desperate SD to do in this situation.

HELP! Comments, suggestions, advice.

ASL.[/QUOTE]The girl always has to pick the girl. And then you"re expected to be grateful. LOL.. When I was young I did a few of these (my first wife was bi). I actually have a pair of roommates that I have done both separately, and once sorta together (made out with one while the other sucked me off). But I am only into one of them, so I am passing on the opportunity.

But good luck on hoping your taste in women is the same as your partners.

So, some of you Big Bossmen Daddies have unlimited funds out there, BUT for the rest of us junior daddies still making a living, I came up with an easy budgeting solution for my bowl expenses. I laid out a normal household budget, then figured out how much I could spend on the bowl, outside of normal expenses and savings. Then I setup a separate bank account with local small bank, and put my address as my work address. So no materials ever go to house. Now here's the key...I setup direct deposit for a specific amount out of my bi-weekly paycheck to go directly into the separate account. My SO has no idea and never looks at my paystub (I shred it when I get it). Also, no awkward explanations about large cash withdrawals or purchases on our joint account or CC's purchases to Victoria Secret or anything.

If there's money in the bowl account, have fun. If not, take some time off till you replenish the funds. But have discipline, and never steal from your "normal" account. Now here's the funny thing, if you have a regular sugar baby on allowance, she'll know payday better then you. My ATF RN-student loved payday weekend. Little history, met hot 21 YO white 8/9/10/9 off Craigslist about 8 months ago. She spoiled me for all other babies that have followed. Lived alone and was on my way to work. So I dropped by her place almost every morning and sometimes after work, spent an hour or two waking her and me up, by filling her holes, then headed to work or home. BUT payday was not only when she got her allowance, but we also made it a tradition to go somewhere nice that weekend. Whether to the beach for a night if I could sneak away, or just a really nice dinner and movie. She knew she would get a nice date, and the sex those nights were always extra special, mainly because she was a little tipsy and open-minded. Unfortunately, she recently graduated and moved north to be close to family, and I miss her dearly...

But anyways, I still follow my method. No money in the bowl fund, then wait till next payday. No exceptions. I also use the bowl money for other things I don't want to get asked about, like visits to strip club, etc..

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv;1936443]

I am jealous of the SDs out there whose SBs are already bi-experienced and can dig up the occasional third party. But what is a desperate SD to do in this situation.

HELP! Comments, suggestions, advice.

ASL.[/QUOTE]ASL. The other brothers have said exactly what I would have said. You need to let her find the other woman.

I've had MFF's where I found the 3rd, and MFF's where my partner has found the additional woman. The latter have always been the best. There needs to be chemistry and trust between the women. If there isn't, well things can get ugly. This is especially true if your current partner considers the woman you found to be more desirable than herself.

Finding the proverbial "unicorn" (as bi single women who are willing to play with couples are called) isn't easy. The fastest route probably is to find a UTR girl who is willing. But, remember have your partner vet and approve of her.

Good luck!

BR.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1933827]I went on the SA Blog recently and was gagging after a few days. It is full of GPS SBs and pompous guys.I recommend against it. One frequent male poster apparently opined that the average Sugar need for a college baby is $3-4000 and that those who offer less are cheapskates and blue collar wannabes. Jumpin' Jehosephat! The girls all expect monthly salaries paid in advance. Entitlement is all around LOL.[/QUOTE]In every market there is a high end, mid level and low end. In the escort market the low end is Backpage and or street workers.

The high end are high priced girls from agencies or erosguide and TER. These girls often look better naturally or by cosmetic effort are on time.

And less prone to P.S.ycho drama (cash and dash, pimps etc).

The SB market has a high end as well the girls on those blogs are most likely working class or middle class.

Woman with either decent income from parents or a pink collar / low level white collar, which gives them enough money to cover the basics.

But they want luxury items. These girls run about 1-3 k a month, and maybe about 2-4 k a month in places like NY (if they are super hott).

The guys on this forum are probably dealing with lower end to mid market girls, who don't always have enough.

Money to cover basics which is why you hear so many""My SB is about to get evicted stories"" each market has its customers.

These girls go for about 150-250 per meet.

There are alot of guys on this thread who would never see a street walker, but SW's are a way of life for some other guys.

To each his own.

Gentlemen as many others before me have said thank you. Hollywood Guy, Reevo, Big Tigger and the rest I've read countless posts and have learned a ton. This year was a huge step for me I went from AMP's to BP girls to TER babes only to realize all I needed to do in order to be really satisfied was to step into the Bowl. I opened my SA acct on Sunday and sent 20 emails, that night I began chatting with 2 POTs right then but the next morning I began texting and speaking with 10 girls. I learned something very quickly most of the college aged girls 18-21 have a unrealistic expectation of what their time is worth they'll have $250 + expectations and a hotel, I'm like heck no, but a girl in her mid 20's with rent to pay understands the value of a couple hundred bucks. By the end of the week I've had 4.

Please disregard previous post it looks like I hit upload by accident. I will try again tomorrow from a computer instead of an iPad.

Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from [URL]SA.com[/URL] and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937346]Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from [URL]SA.com[/URL] and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]I bow to those who came before me. And Welcome Bro. This is a step up from MP's and Escorts, although they certainly have their place (almost hit one today).

I will give a much detailed update later. But here is my quick twitter updates.

-Had overnight on Friday.

-Included dinner, movie, drinks.

-True ages are 19, not 20.

-One was on period, so did the Tiggabounce twice with the other one.

-Very inexperienced, lots of questions.

-She absolutely wore me out!

BT.

Got into a back and forth via text with her. She finally replied after I sent her a scathing text calling her disrespectful and a scam artist (which I knew she wasn't, just wanted a reply). Her reply was simply that she wasn't doing anything until she took her retest. This really doesn't explain why a person cannot say "Hello or Good Morning". Either way she called me annoying to both of them (I was right, they were talking).

I then reminded her, you can't take my money then expect me to not call or text you. So I was annoying because I called and text to check in and see how she was doing? Amazing. I wished her the best and just told her if she was really as honest as she claims to be, then just greendot me my money back! I then deleted her information and moved on!

BT.

[QUOTE=Showtime2020;1937298]Gentlemen as many others before me have said thank you. Hollywood Guy, Reevo, Big Tigger and the rest I've read countless posts and have learned a ton. This year was a huge step for me I went from AMP's to BP girls to TER babes only to realize all I needed to do in order to be really satisfied was to step into the Bowl. I opened my SA acct on Sunday and sent 20 emails, that night I began chatting with 2 POTs right then but the next morning I began texting and speaking with 10 girls. I learned something very quickly most of the college aged girls 18-21 have a unrealistic expectation of what their time is worth they'll have $250 + expectations and a hotel, I'm like heck no, but a girl in her mid 20's with rent to pay understands the value of a couple hundred bucks. By the end of the week I've had 4.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the brotherhood. And you are welcome. Read our exploits and trials with care. There is a lot of hard won and sometimes painful experience there. I think you are going to find that this is a exciting, thrilling, frustrating, scary, and addicting experience. I like to think of it kind of like hunting but like it used to be many years ago. We are out there with our wits, our experience, and yes our dollars as ammunition. Trying to secure that most elusive of all creatures. The amateur that is beautiful and sexy and fun.

Congratulations on your exploits so far. Sounds like you are making quick progress. When you say by the end of the week you've had 4 what do you mean? Do you mean you contacted 4, talked to them, met them or fucked them? There is a very big difference.

Send in some detailed reports for the brotherhood. This is a helluva lot easier when you report and express your adventures and get help from the brothers on here.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937346]Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from [URL]SA.com[/URL] and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]Believe me everyone is a noob to this when they start this is very much a skill that comes with practice and lots of failures. I have met women that had husbands and boyfriends that did not know they were doing this. For a variety of reasons. Because they needed the money and the SO was just worthless. Or because they were in an abusive relationship and could not get out of it.

Just make sure you keep your identity concealed.

Why do you say it is an escort arrangement? Is she acting like an escort? What kind of words does she use? What does she look like? Have you asked her what she is looking for?

Send us more details and lets see if we can help.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1937527]Believe me everyone is a noob to this when they start this is very much a skill that comes with practice and lots of failures. I have met women that had husbands and boyfriends that did not know they were doing this. For a variety of reasons. Because they needed the money and the SO was just worthless. Or because they were in an abusive relationship and could not get out of it.

Just make sure you keep your identity concealed.

Why do you say it is an escort arrangement? Is she acting like an escort? What kind of words does she use? What does she look like? Have you asked her what she is looking for?

Send us more details and lets see if we can help.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Hi Revvo, I really appreciate the help. Let me give you a run down of what she has told me:

- She said she used to be a dancer and wanted to get out of dancing and decided that this was a good alternative. I read some where that "dancers" are usually just escorts to turn to being a SB.

- She asked me "What are you looking for and looking to provide for a SB? ".

- We started talking about the arrangement and she said we could do monthly or pay-per-play depending on what we were going to be doing and how often we were going to meet.

- I told her I was looking for a SB who would like to go out on dates, dinners, movies.. And then willing to hang out at my place for GFE and she wrote back and said that "I'm comfortable with private dances, actually prefer " Again, felt like escorting.

- We settled on a per visit fee. I was actually able to get something better than I could get with a traditional escort.

- Yes is very cute, she is 22, white and looks like she has reddish hair.

So we agreed to meet up after Thanksgiving. Thanks for the advice on keeping my identity a secrete. I do have a question. Where do you take your SB for a more intimate activity? Do you ever take her back to your place (that is assuming you live along).

Thanks everyone, I appreciate any and all help.

So surprisingly, these two have been everything that they have promised to be. Except for not being 100% truthful about their age. They will be 20 in a few months, they were just stretching it. So all week, lots of texting and emails. They even sent a few pics. Nothing too outrageous. Unfortunately because I was running a little late from having a meeting with MsWhatABody (more on that later), I ended up getting caught in traffic. So they got to the hotel before I did. Again. I'm never late and twice with them I've been late.

They both are there looking cute, I've told them I like women in dresses and skirts looking girly. They definitely oblidged again, one in a cute mini-skirt and the other in a min-dress. The first thing I notice is they really are quite young and look it too. The second thing I notice is the sheer exuberance they have and how happy they both seem to see me. I'm starting to really believe it's not an act. There was even a slight mix-up as I was supposed to send some funds via GreenDot for gas in advance. I wasn't able to do that. She did have enough gas to get there and they drove without the GreenDot (2 hour drive).

We check in, get settled (two bedroom suite). We go out for dinner, movie and drinks / snacks. We got to the movie and were able to get decent seats. Before the movie was over, I had to switch to sit between them as one was feeling a little left out and voiced that. So I was there watching the movie rubbing on two legs...etc. This can be exciting and weird at times, trying to keep up with two. But I made it work.

Back in the room, things were great. We talked, I brought my BlueTooth speaker, they both stripped down to bra and panties (I got down to my underwear also) and gave me a create lap dance that included 2 to 3 songs. Best thing was, I did not have to tip, LOL.

From there lots of kissing, rubbing playing. Any time either other the two walked away, started deep french kissing the one that was on the couch. They both were sipping on Jack and Coke, I had wine. Eventually after rounds of playing, etc. Me and MsCaramel made our way to the room. MsChocolate went to their bedroom. Me and MsCaramel had a great time, she was very responsive to the oral, had multiple orgasms throughout sex and loads of energy. We tried multiple positions and eventually she settled in on reverse cowgirl. She must have stayed there for at least 15 minutes, just trying a variety of moves, asking for my guidance and seeing what worked. She had 2 to 3 orgasms up there. She was really working it out. Eventually after about an hour of going at it (pacing myself of course), I had m 1 big orgasm. Right as I was rolling over to lie on my back and exhale, she says "you can use your fingers too right". I could not believe she wanted more! Eventually, she layed beside me and caught her breath. At this point it was past 4 am. I feel dead asleep.

Next morning we get up and go downstairs for breakfast. It was a hasty dressing event as we were rushing to get there before the free breakfast was over (this saved me at least $30-$50). Back up stairs, more flirting and playing and eventually had another round with MsCaramel. It was good, but I kept it short since MsChocolate was wide awake, didn't want to rub it in too much (-pun intended, LOL). So as I was drying off after the shower, called in MsChocolate to my room. I reminded her of how sad she was that she could not show me her skills. So directed her to her knees and she worked the TiggaStick over for a good 5 to 7 minutes. That 19 year old girl can suck 4 Real! She also mentioned that next time (date#3), she wants her own personal time. So we'll not have a 3 some until date #4. We'll see. What will probably happen is she'll stay with me in my room during the evening and next morning, we'll have the 3 some. Either way it was interesting and not any jealousy. MsChocolate was even cool with us getting in round 2. They didn't mind me kissing one then kissing the other. They said the only rule is they don't want to taste the other person. So during the 3 some, I can go between the two, any way I please. This is when I'll get my pictures. The interactions in public have been cool. They both look so young, that most people don't give funny looks, they just assume that I'm taking my daughter and her friend out.

All in all, I'm still surprised, I feel very lucky and just going with the flow. Oh the biggest thing that surprises me, is that they have very little gift requirements.

Total Damage:

Cash Gift: .60 x2 = $120.

Gas: $60.

Room (2 Bedroom 3.5 Star hotel): $200.

Movie: $35.

Dinner: $80.

Alcohol and snacks: $30.

BigTigg (Bowling two strikes with two balls on two different lanes at same time).

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937558]Hi Revvo, I really appreciate the help. Let me give you a run down of what she has told me:

- She said she used to be a dancer and wanted to get out of dancing and decided that this was a good alternative. I read some where that "dancers" are usually just escorts to turn to being a SB.

- She asked me "What are you looking for and looking to provide for a SB? ".

- We started talking about the arrangement and she said we could do monthly or pay-per-play depending on what we were going to be doing and how often we were going to meet.

- I told her I was looking for a SB who would like to go out on dates, dinners, movies.. And then willing to hang out at my place for GFE and she wrote back and said that "I'm comfortable with private dances, actually prefer " Again, felt like escorting.

- We settled on a per visit fee. I was actually able to get something better than I could get with a traditional escort.

- Yes is very cute, she is 22, white and looks like she has reddish hair.

So we agreed to meet up after Thanksgiving. Thanks for the advice on keeping my identity a secrete. I do have a question. Where do you take your SB for a more intimate activity? Do you ever take her back to your place (that is assuming you live along).

Thanks everyone, I appreciate any and all help.[/QUOTE]You have to go with your gut on the escort thing. Are you ok with that? You may I am not. Is that a feeling you are getting? It may be she is some type of escort or UTR. Go back and read some of the posts on security on here and what can happen when you don't protect yourself.

Also ask her point blank if she ever had a SD before? See not only what she says but how she says it.

As for coming to your house I would not do that. Single or married. Not unless I had developed a huge amount of trust. Get a hotel. I prefer getting a decent hotel. Not too cheap or crappy. I just feel more comfortable in it myself as well as the baby.

Like I always say. I am looking for a quality experience. All the way around.

Your instincts also may be right on the dancer thing. Many strip clubs are just thin veils for all kinds of sex play. Ask her what club she worked at and then look up the reviews and reports online. You can check at the ultimate strip club list. It has the best reviews. That will tell you what kind of strip club it is.

Remember strippers can be a handful sometimes. Lots of drama and drugs and money demands. Sometimes you may get lucky though.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1937520]Welcome to the brotherhood. And you are welcome. Read our exploits and trials with care. There is a lot of hard won and sometimes painful experience there. I think you are going to find that this is a exciting, thrilling, frustrating, scary, and addicting experience. I like to think of it kind of like hunting but like it used to be many years ago. We are out there with our wits, our experience, and yes our dollars as ammunition. Trying to secure that most elusive of all creatures. The amateur that is beautiful and sexy and fun.

Congratulations on your exploits so far. Sounds like you are making quick progress. When you say by the end of the week you've had 4 what do you mean? Do you mean you contacted 4, talked to them, met them or fucked them? There is a very big difference.

Send in some detailed reports for the brotherhood. This is a helluva lot easier when you report and express your adventures and get help from the brothers on here.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Revvo, you're right it is fun as the start, but I can already see that it could be hard to juggle everyone's expectations. Back to the report, by the end of the week I had 4 M&G and went to the FC with 1. Here of the details of the roster to this point.

SB #1. Staxx. She is a keeper, immediately replied to my email and began discussing terms on Monday. She is 26, about 5'9, 150 lbs AA, I'd give her a 7/7/8/8. She's a working professional but needs help keeping up with expenses. On Tuesday we set up a M&G at a coffee shop near her office, she walks in with a nice looking business outfit and I'm blown away thinking there's no way I can afford what she needs. As we talk I learn that she's done this before and her previous SD moved away, she said he was giving her between $300 and $500 each visit. I was thinking that was too much until I proposed this scenario. We both have the ability to telework so on Friday I would spend the entire day working at her place and we would get to business when we took breaks. On Friday morning she texted me her address and I was there by 9:30, we were taking conference calls and in between we'd jump in bed. We did that all day taking breaks to check email. Her intent was to make sure I was satisfied, doing everything she could think of to please me. I left at 4 rested and relaxed. Total damage $300 and the ability to do this every time I want to telework.

POT #1. Junior .20 year old college student who goes to school about 100 miles away. She is 5'3, 135 lbs AA. She proposed a scenario where we would get together during her breaks from school. She also had a previous SD who was a Dr giving her $1500 per month. I was thinking hell no, so I channeled my inner vet and started with $100 per visit and we arrived $150 per visit and I would provide the FC. We've skyped and texted throughout the week and she's very interested in working this beginning next week when she's home for Thanksgiving break. I will report on how this one works out later.

POT #3. Boob .26 year old graduate student at a local university. She really wants this to work but she is not very cute as a matter of fact she's kinda ugly but has huge tits. I'm not a tit man but her's could just be big because she's kinda fat, I'd give her a 5 in the looks dept. I think she's about 5'5, 200 lbs AA. I offered her $100/ week with 2 visits per week and she said yes, she has roommates so can't host all the time. I'm thinking about giving it a shot just to see what she's willing to do. I was floored, I'm going to give her a shot week after next, with the holiday coming up she's going to have to wait until I have time.

POT #4. Nurse. Also 26, a nurse who just wants something different from a normal dating relationship. She is hot, a definite 8/9 in my book. She wants to take things slow, meet a few times before we go to the FC. She understands where this is going but just wants to be comfortable with me first. No biggie, I've got enough on my plate for now. She started at $300 per visit with me providing the FC, were at $200 now but I'm going to keep driving that number down a bit.

I've also negotiated with a few others but they are still a work in progress. The number of hits I got from SA has been phenominal, I only need a 30 day subscription but I think I'm building a decent roster.

Happy hunting fellas.

Showtime.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1937600]So surprisingly, these two have been everything that they have promised to be. Except for not being 100% truthful about their age. They will be 20 in a few months, they were just stretching it. So all week, lots of texting and emails. They even sent a few pics. Nothing too outrageous. Unfortunately because I was running a little late from having a meeting with MsWhatABody (more on that later), I ended up getting caught in traffic. So they got to the hotel before I did. Again. I'm never late and twice with them I've been late.

They both are there looking cute, I've told them I like women in dresses and skirts looking girly. They definitely oblidged again, one in a cute mini-skirt and the other in a min-dress. The first thing I notice is they really are quite young and look it too. The second thing I notice is the sheer exuberance they have and how happy they both seem to see me. I'm starting to really believe it's not an act. There was even a slight mix-up as I was supposed to send some funds via GreenDot for gas in advance. I wasn't able to do that. She did have enough gas to get there and they drove without the GreenDot (2 hour drive).

We check in, get settled (two bedroom suite). We go out for dinner, movie and drinks / snacks. We got to the movie and were able to get decent seats. Before the movie was over, I had to switch to sit between them as one was feeling a little left out and voiced that. So I was there watching the movie rubbing on two legs...etc. This can be exciting and weird at times, trying to keep up with two. But I made it work.

Back in the room, things were great. We talked, I brought my BlueTooth speaker, they both stripped down to bra and panties (I got down to my underwear also) and gave me a create lap dance that included 2 to 3 songs. Best thing was, I did not have to tip, LOL.

From there lots of kissing, rubbing playing. Any time either other the two walked away, started deep french kissing the one that was on the couch. They both were sipping on Jack and Coke, I had wine. Eventually after rounds of playing, etc. Me and MsCaramel made our way to the room. MsChocolate went to their bedroom. Me and MsCaramel had a great time, she was very responsive to the oral, had multiple orgasms throughout sex and loads of energy. We tried multiple positions and eventually she settled in on reverse cowgirl. She must have stayed there for at least 15 minutes, just trying a variety of moves, asking for my guidance and seeing what worked. She had 2 to 3 orgasms up there. She was really working it out. Eventually after about an hour of going at it (pacing myself of course), I had m 1 big orgasm. Right as I was rolling over to lie on my back and exhale, she says "you can use your fingers too right". I could not believe she wanted more! Eventually, she layed beside me and caught her breath. At this point it was past 4 am. I feel dead asleep.

Next morning we get up and go downstairs for breakfast. It was a hasty dressing event as we were rushing to get there before the free breakfast was over (this saved me at least $30-$50). Back up stairs, more flirting and playing and eventually had another round with MsCaramel. It was good, but I kept it short since MsChocolate was wide awake, didn't want to rub it in too much (-pun intended, LOL). So as I was drying off after the shower, called in MsChocolate to my room. I reminded her of how sad she was that she could not show me her skills. So directed her to her knees and she worked the TiggaStick over for a good 5 to 7 minutes. That 19 year old girl can suck 4 Real! She also mentioned that next time (date#3), she wants her own personal time. So we'll not have a 3 some until date #4. We'll see. What will probably happen is she'll stay with me in my room during the evening and next morning, we'll have the 3 some. Either way it was interesting and not any jealousy. MsChocolate was even cool with us getting in round 2. They didn't mind me kissing one then kissing the other. They said the only rule is they don't want to taste the other person. So during the 3 some, I can go between the two, any way I please. This is when I'll get my pictures. The interactions in public have been cool. They both look so young, that most people don't give funny looks, they just assume that I'm taking my daughter and her friend out.

All in all, I'm still surprised, I feel very lucky and just going with the flow. Oh the biggest thing that surprises me, is that they have very little gift requirements.

Total Damage:

Cash Gift: .60 x2 = $120.

Gas: $60.

Room (2 Bedroom 3.5 Star hotel): $200.

Movie: $35.

Dinner: $80.

Alcohol and snacks: $30.

BigTigg (Bowling two strikes with two balls on two different lanes at same time).[/QUOTE]Girls just want to have fun. Very informative. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937558]- I told her I was looking for a SB who would like to go out on dates, dinners, movies.. And then willing to hang out at my place for GFE and she wrote back and said that "I'm comfortable with private dances, actually prefer " Again, felt like escorting.
.[/QUOTE]Be sure you both agree exactly what "private dances" mean. She may have an entirely different idea than you.

" Truth ".that is not what you will get but you might get a good SB.

She could be an escort as they all can, but you just have to get a feel for her as you move forward. Pay attention to her familiarity with the terms and be careful using escort language around her. If you have a real SB it's good to separate yourself from that world in her mind. Marriage can add that level of drama as it does for those of us who are married as well. Ask her if the SO knows about her side job. If he does then I would avoid her because your ID will become know to him as well. You are single so you don't have as much to fear from outing. Do not bring her home until you know her a while.

Re: Hotels I always low ball them and use the $50 / night ones. You are only spending a few hours there and you are not dealing with debutantes (are you?) Save your money for the fucking itself, not the FC. The girls don't seem to mind unless you are walking a gantlet between gang members to get to your room.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937346]Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Before anyone asks yes I did my home work. I looked on google and read blogs and other websites. Let me know if you know of any other good sites to read. I also found a SB on SA and I did look up her pic on Tineye just to make sure it was not a fake ad. Tineye came up empty. I also tried to look for her name on this forum but honestly I don't know to look up shit on this website.

So here is my current situation.

I am getting a lot emails from [URL]SA.com[/URL] and am thinking of meeting a girl named Felicity. She is white, 22 and lives in Midlothian. She has a husband which is kind of weird.

1. Should I get involved with a SB that is married? Or is he her pimp? Honestly, this arrangement is more like an escort arrangement but I am good with that.

2. Has anyone ever heard of Felicity. I have her SA I'd if anyone is interested.

Sorry for sounding like a noob but I am one when it comes to SD / SB. Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937346]Ok, as you can tell I am a senior member but I've been more of an escort and massage person. Today I took my first step into the world of SD / SB and I joined SA. I am looking for some guidance.

Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]Ltnric, you've found one of the few places in the country devoted to the SB side of the hobby. This board is the authority. The others are pretenders. Welcome.

Very little was out there on SB-Hood. It was 2010 when Literal2 was in Richmond on business and participated in the Richmond board as most of us would do. That evening he started Thread: "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not? By making Post 1. He told the history of Post 1 in Post 3608 when others inquired. Lit's personality drew in others and the synergy caused this place to light up and become the place to learn about SB-Hood.

This didn't happen because we were so smart, we were not, we were feeling our way along with our fingers and making mistakes along with some success. This happened because we were self-reporting on ourselves so we learned from each other which encouraged others to learn also in trial and error and that explains the current 344 pages of what works and what does not work, why this board is so good and the information so valuable. For those willing to read, think and learn there's little left but success if the reader supplies the necessary patience. It really is that simple. Reading the full board is the only way for it to all sink in.

Left to our own instincts we will fail with women no matter how we meet them. Otherwise nobody would be here reading this. We think we're smart but we don't understand the female component of being a person. So Ltnric, read this board from cover to cover before taking another step. Recognize you're a danger to yourself until you do. Take notes of what you learn as you read and where you read it so you can revisit those threads keeping your notes current as you become smarter. It is well worth the effort. You'll be able to tell the good advice from the bad because we are all object lessons here for others. When you post your experiences you will be an object lesson for the rest of us. Just do your reading first. Good luck.

MsLilMama has indicated that I can stop by and hit that whenever I like. I have settled in to $ per visit. Unfortunately I know she's not going to be too involved as she's very selfish in bed. But she has a great spinner body and makes great sounds.

MsHipsNThighs has indicated the same. She "misses" me. We agreed on .80 per visit. She has all the skills, but her body is bigger than my preference, it's shapely, just big.

MsWhatABody has agreed to twice a week at $.25 per visit. But I'm not sure if I'm ready to make that commitment as she has her own place and I'll be wasting the money spent on the Tiggapad. Plus it would most likely be my entire budget. She was looking better when we met. So I'd move her face up to a 7.8. The body is still 10...wow!

MsSlimShorty (first time mentioned, 4'11, less than 100, short haircut) I tried to drop her as we've only chatted two to 3 times in the car. She basically said, she likes my personality and is fine being booty call friends. Works for me.

MsSlimCheerleader. Got sick on Thursday for our overnight date. She text sporadically, complaining of cramps / pains. Text me the next morning saying she was in the hospital. Then text me at 12 am on Friday night saying Hello,. At this point I do believe her. But only about 80%. It just seemed to be a big too convenient. We are supposed to meet again the Wed after Thanksgiving. Then again for Fri / Sat overnight. We'll see.

MsVanity- Is still on the list, but she's booty call only. I tried to get her out one night to just chat and get some drinks as she was on her period. She would not come out unless I persuaded her with money. So I said we'll wait until the period is over, LOL. So I had to move her down a rung as it's obvious she's not quite as relational as I like.

MsCelibate - Dumped me and thanked me for breaking her drought. I think I wasn't available enough and she didn't like the fact that I had a stable. She never said why and I never asked.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1937880]Ltnric, you've found one of the few places in the country devoted to the SB side of the hobby. This board is the authority. The others are pretenders.[/QUOTE]Well said and welcome Ltnric!


Showtime..what area are you bowling in....yours sounds like some of mine in the DC/MD/VA area?

BigTigg

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and the great advice. Here is what I have learned so far:

Revvo.

- Yes I was getting a bad feeling about Felicity. The whole marriage / pimp is an issue for me and I feel like she is an escort so I think I will pass on this.

- Yes I will wait until we have gone out a few times before I bring her home. I guess I was just being a cheap bastard thinking the hotel would only add to the cost. But you guys are right better safe and spend a few more bucks than put my myself at risk.

Showtime 2020/ Big Tigger.

- Based on your reviews I am assuming that we don't use the real name of the SB and instead give them codes is that correct? That is completely different on the escort forums.

Spitfire.

- Good call on the definition of "dancing" I've got to change my mindset.

GolfCart.

- You are dead on, I already have a hard enough time understanding women in the real world so this SD / SB is even more confusing as hell!!

So far I have not had any M&G just confirmation from one potential to meet the week after Thanksgiving. I'll be more than happy to provide full report.

So far I have learned that there are women on here who want to get paid just to hang out with you. When someone says they are not going to have sex, is that true or can they be talked into it. And yes I am going back and reading some of the older posts.

Thanks guys and look forward to contributing to this fun, scary and exciting new hobby.

Stay Thirsty My Friends.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1937924]MsLilMama has indicated that I can stop by and hit that whenever I like. I have settled in to $ per visit. Unfortunately I know she's not going to be too involved as she's very selfish in bed. But she has a great spinner body and makes great sounds.[/QUOTE]Spinner body and makes great sounds. Sounds good to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937987]...When someone says they are not going to have sex, is that true or can they be talked into it. And yes I am going back and reading some of the older posts....[/QUOTE]Looking at it this was puts you at a disadvantage. Never presume you can talk her into it. I don't want to!! Instead, OF COURSE sex is part of the deal. That's the definition of a SD / SB relationship!!

[QUOTE=JMartinez;1938038]Looking at it this was puts you at a disadvantage. Never presume you can talk her into it. I don't want to!! Instead, OF COURSE sex is part of the deal. That's the definition of a SD / SB relationship!![/QUOTE]And there is is no girl that doesn't want it anyway. Just let them know "I am willing to pay (whatever) a visit for your time once we decide to start an arrangement (which could be the first date)." Feel free to plagiarize.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1937987]Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and the great advice. Here is what I have learned so far:

Showtime 2020/ Big Tigger.

- Based on your reviews I am assuming that we don't use the real name of the SB and instead give them codes is that correct? That is completely different on the escort forums.

Spitfire.

-[/QUOTE]I've only had one FC encounter thus far but here are a few things I've picked up from the forum.

1. I do not use their names on a forum because you never know if a lurker from in your city has his eyes on the same baby, he can use that info against you and take advantage of your hard work.

2. I have created a separate existence, you may not need this since you're single but for people in relationships this is essential.

3. I use an alias until I feel like I know the girl and then I only say my first name and do my best to never say my last name.

4. I have a separate email address that is on a totally different email site than my regulars, also the name is the same as my alias.

5. I do have a separate bank acct that I will use for all of my activities.

6. I have a burner phone, not google voice. This phone never enters my house and I shut it off at 7 pm everyday unless I have a planned activity. Even since you're single you should consider this anyway just in case you meet someone you don't want to talk to any more.

Sorry for being long winded but this far that's what I've gathered thus far. I've done my best to stay disciplined and not break my own rules.

Thank you to the members of this forum who took the time to respond to my post about finding the elusive "unicorn". I'm out ahead of all your advice. My MILF SB and I are in full agreement about what qualifications we are looking for in the other female who will be sharing our bed. Also, she is the one actively looking. I totally agree with all of you that this should primarily be her call (but with mutual agreement on the final selection), otherwise she might have a negative feedback if it's someone that I have chosen. Plus, it's obvious that any POT unicorn is going to be far more comfortable being approached / contacted by the female of a couple looking for the FMF hookup.

We will keep on trying through the various avenues available and I will give the forum a full report when we have achieved success.

Happy hunting to all.

ASL.

I have my LT baby my little girl next door and I have not heard from her for a week. I texted and called and no answer. Then all of a sudden today she emails me telling me that she misses me and is worried that something is wrong with me. Now my first inclination is she is up to something. But she has always been straight with me. Then I think maybe there really is a technical issue. She did attempt phone calls and I was able to call and talk with her after the email.

She seemed to be perfectly normal and even asked to meet today. Which I couldn't. Then I did remember she got upgraded from iPhone 4 to a 5. And I use googlevoice. Has anyone seen any issues with this? They do not show up on my phone or my online app.

Anyone have any ideas? Is there a compatibility issue with iPhones and googlevoice?

Thanks,

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1939456]I have my LT baby my little girl next door and I have not heard from her for a week. I texted and called and no answer. Then all of a sudden today she emails me telling me that she misses me and is worried that something is wrong with me. Now my first inclination is she is up to something. But she has always been straight with me. Then I think maybe there really is a technical issue. She did attempt phone calls and I was able to call and talk with her after the email.

She seemed to be perfectly normal and even asked to meet today. Which I couldn't. Then I did remember she got upgraded from iPhone 4 to a 5. And I use googlevoice. Has anyone seen any issues with this? They do not show up on my phone or my online app.

Anyone have any ideas? Is there a compatibility issue with iPhones and googlevoice?

Thanks,

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I have not noticed any problems with Google Voice. Use it a lot.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1939456]I have my LT baby my little girl next door and I have not heard from her for a week. I texted and called and no answer. Then all of a sudden today she emails me telling me that she misses me and is worried that something is wrong with me. Now my first inclination is she is up to something. But she has always been straight with me. Then I think maybe there really is a technical issue. She did attempt phone calls and I was able to call and talk with her after the email.

She seemed to be perfectly normal and even asked to meet today. Which I couldn't. Then I did remember she got upgraded from iPhone 4 to a 5. And I use googlevoice. Has anyone seen any issues with this? They do not show up on my phone or my online app.

Anyone have any ideas? Is there a compatibility issue with iPhones and googlevoice?

Thanks,

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I have seen an issue with gv, where I and the other person who I was trying to contact were using gv. For some reason I would call them and they would not get the call, same with text. After a couple days it just cleared up. Not really sure what the problem was.