The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=Swimback;7296229]Walk away from PII requests. It's so they have you by the balls if things go south. A mutually assured blackmail destruction. Every meet I've ever had in my years of doing this never needed PII. The one and only time I gave PII I was immediately threatened to have my identity shared doxxed. Thankfully I avoided it by just ignoring the person but I'm never putting myself in that position again.[/QUOTE]For a counterpoint, I've sent literal pictures of my driver's license - license # covered - to maybe 30 girls in the past few years, and it's never bitten me on the ass. Giving them something with your name, picture, and the address you're asking them to visit that they can share with a friend will assuage a lot of fears that might otherwise end in being ghosted. It's hard to overstate how prevalent the concern about being murdered is, especially in a generation that consumes so much "true crime" media.

Unless you're married, what do you have to lose? The biggest part of it is your address, and they've already got that because they're meeting you there. Unless you use hotels, I guess, but damn does that seem boring.

I get the feeling I use these sites different from a lot of you, though. It can be an escort site, true, but it can also be something less formalized, and the real fun is in the latter.

[QUOTE=jobobtheclown;7296419]For a counterpoint, I've sent literal pictures of my driver's license - license # covered - to maybe 30 girls in the past few years, and it's never bitten me on the ass. Giving them something with your name, picture, and the address you're asking them to visit that they can share with a friend will assuage a lot of fears that might otherwise end in being ghosted. It's hard to overstate how prevalent the concern about being murdered is, especially in a generation that consumes so much "true crime" media.

Unless you're married, what do you have to lose? The biggest part of it is your address, and they've already got that because they're meeting you there. Unless you use hotels, I guess, but damn does that seem boring.

I get the feeling I use these sites different from a lot of you, though. It can be an escort site, true, but it can also be something less formalized, and the real fun is in the latter.[/QUOTE]I eventually give PII with trust, but not out the gate. I hear you on the murder point but it's a very cold world in this field. Trust is earned, not given. If they wanted honest safe work they should stick to a day job. I use hotels. Nothing to lose except the nice life I've built myself. New NC laws are very strict now, you're done for now whereas it wasn't too bad before.

Has anyone seen her in the last week or two? She hasn't replied to my texts again. I did see her a few weeks ago and it went well as usual but radio silence since then.

Agreed. Huge time waster. 0/10.

[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;7279175]Her message to me in Northern Virginia: Hey youu!! I'm all about skipping the small talk and getting to the good stuff. If you're into real, fun vibes with a little spice, add me on Snap: SloanMartin25 Let's see if you can keep up. 😉128293;.

Not interested.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Swimback;7291910]Body type filter removed? I'm not paying a subscription to have hambeasts pawned off to me against my will. Girls probably complained but seeking is too stupid to understand that's not the paying demographic, we are. Not renewing this month. I'm starting to get over seeking lately. Have had some luck just shooting my shot on Instagram.[/QUOTE]They have to cater to women because. That's why men pay to be on there. The site is losing women users. Its skimp AF now. It used to be lit back in the day.

[QUOTE=LolBoat;7298523]They have to cater to women because. That's why men pay to be on there. The site is losing women users. Its skimp AF now. It used to be lit back in the day.[/QUOTE]The next frontier is approaching over dating apps and socials. Yes it takes more leg work, but your offers don't need to be as large to impress girls on those. Hot girls on seeking are getting too crazy with their asks. They are also offering less for what you're paying. A lot more online / platonic only. More than a few expecting 1 k ppm. I was seeing a hot girl who just got back on because we had a 500 ppm agreement and now she is wanting a lot more. Somebody told on me last time I mentioned her so not saying who, but the really hot girl who has just reappeared in Raleigh is the one I'm talking about. Seniors can PM me about her if you deduce who it is.

From the looks of it it seems I'm choosing a bad time to want get into portion of the hobby. But ill ask anyway, is there any advice on which site to use and best practices.

I'm hoping to find a new spinner and this seems to give the best chance of that.

[QUOTE=Hb1174;7250798]I've been having decent success using Seeking, and I wanted to give everyone some tips about what has worked for me, with the hope that it works for you. Everyone has a different way to use the site, so I'm not saying my way is the best. Now that the disclaimers are done, let's talk about what I've found to work thus far:

Golden Rule: Never Ever Ever send money before meeting. These women will talk to you, be nice and interested, and keep the con going for days just to get $20 or $50 from you. If you do get scammed, just know that if she spent 8 or more hours talking to you for that money then she's making lower than minimum wage haha.

Rule #1: Cast your net far and wide.

There are a lot of women on Seeking, but there are also a decent number of guys in each of their inboxes. There are a few tools to get noticed:

- Have at least one picture. Yes, there's a risk associated, but I've made profiles with both pictures and no pictures and I'm getting roughly 30% more responses with a single picture. If you don't want to use yours, find someone similar but communicate this to the women once she gets to know you better.

- Try to message women when they are currently online. This puts your message at the top of their inbox. I usually look to see if a woman is online, craft a message and send it. Then if she refreshes her page I send her a favorite. That gives you two separate cases to get her attention.

- Be unique and respectful in your messages. Guys, it's 2025 and there are things called ChatGPT, Gemini, and other AI tools. Just copy / paste their profile into it, and have it create an interesting introduction message for you based on her profile. If you're new to AI and there's interest, I could do a whole post about how to get the best output from using it. And on the respect, even the pros who post on both Seeking and Tryst want to hear something nice for once. You will be that one guy "who actually cares. " I've had so many responses saying "wow, you really put a lot of effort into this" when in truth I spent 5 minutes making a perfect response.

- Consider options outside of your comfort zone. Like most of you I have a type, but if those women aren't responding, try opening your horizons a bit more. You'd be surprised at the arrangements you can come up with when you give yourself more women to choose from. You'll also be less likely to overpay for the one chick who responded that is your type as the alternate option you chose is 80% of what you're looking for at 40% of the price.

Rule #2: Treat every conversation as if you will never meet them.

- I feel like I spend 50% of my time chatting with someone, only to find out we aren't compatible (money, availability, menu items) or she is a scammer / fake. If you try to date these women one at a time, you will end up losing precious time to get to actual arrangements. If you have some empathy like me, you can either let the women know that you're looking for one arrangement but are talking to multiple people to find it. Then if you really can't meet them because you found someone else (or in my case, I can't afford to see them all at once) you can say you're taken, but if things don't work out you'll reach out to see if they're available.

- Speaking of chatting, there are many ways to get to the end game, but if you're budget conscious like myself, here's what I do:

O Get her attention with the opening message.

O Say a few nice things in 2-3 messages.

O Ask them if they want to see if we're a good fit by texting instead of talking details on the site.

O Via text get all the details of costs, hosting, menu, etc.

O If her terms work, continue chatting to reach a date, and if not tell her it won't work.

- The last thing I'll say on opening messages is I always try to make the first few words very unique. That's because they can see those words before they even open the message. Saying "3 Reasons why I think. " or "I love your eyes, and I wish. " looks better than "Hey" or "Hi. ".

Rule #3: Newer members usually have more flexibility.

- Most, but not all women tend to develop their allowance rate and what they're comfortable with over time. When they are new to the site, they don't know how everything works, which can be advantageous in either getting a lower allowance or better items on the menu. The following things can improve your odds:

O Offering to meet in person to discuss terms. I find that once I meet them and they see I'm not crazy and they're interested that they are more lenient on their requirements.

O Having recent test results. Regardless of if you play with protection or not, having test results really calms down the concern women have with initially having sex with a guy. A vasectomy wouldn't hurt either, but again it depends on how you play and what you're looking for.

O Make the conversation sound like you want to focus on pleasuring them as well. That helps level the playing field and if they think they will get more than a few minutes of humping they are likely to work with your budget. Also, a lot of the women will delete their profile if they find exactly what they're looking for. No sharing yay!

I have a few that I'm working on currently, but they left the platform. I do have one that I spent time with who is still active that I will post once I get more time to write. Feel free to PM me with questions if I didn't cover something you wanted to know about.[/QUOTE]Welp never mind found the perfect guide. I'll be back when I find some success.

[QUOTE=NeedToSearch2;7295173]Jade - 24.

Talked for a bit, kept asking for money before meeting. I sent since she was legit on snap. Got that banned, but finally saw her. Don't recommend. High maintenance. Extended stay location. GPS. Covered everything. Pillow princess. Bad attitude.

More of a nightmare than a dream.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8af6f63e-548b-4327-8cf7-56640f1fae9d[/URL][/QUOTE]Don't forget she looks about 20 lbs thinner than her pics due to obvious drug use. Also, really bad teeth.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dbd2898f-d4df-4fed-a730-52af5f62ed2d[/URL]

This one is a damn shame honestly. I have a soft spot for Indian girls. This girl is really cute, she is real, says all the right things. We did a M&G and things seemed to line up.

But then, boom, she's another in a long line of girls on Seeking (much worse lately for some reason) that push nonstop for cash with their sob stories, but do everything in their power to avoid making things mutual. It's been pretty much crickets since I've been turning down the sob stories.

Anyways, not sure if anyone else had luck. I seriously wish this one was a keeper.

Anyone seen her? DM me if you have and let's trade details.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5426e905-8f4c-457d-a78a-31f998db6d49[/URL]

[QUOTE=Swimback;7301831]Anyone seen her? DM me if you have and let's trade details.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5426e905-8f4c-457d-a78a-31f998db6d49[/URL][/QUOTE]Search for "31f998db6d49" and you'll find a review from 2023.

[QUOTE=LikesGirls;7297970]Has anyone seen her in the last week or two? She hasn't replied to my texts again. I did see her a few weeks ago and it went well as usual but radio silence since then.[/QUOTE]I saw her last week. Still perfect. Wish I had the funds to see her this month.

I've stopped my subscription from seeking because I've found all I need so you can't post a link but Rhiannon in Morrisville odd a lot of fun. Very sweet girl that squirts and eats ass. Damn hard to beat.

SLN Girl Khi 25.

[URL]https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/Princess/[/URL]

Wasn't this one formerly on seeking or one of the sugar sites if I'm not mistaken? I remember her pics but can't remember username. Info on her? Good time?

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/lovelylillian-333[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jc9599;7308521]Wasn't this one formerly on seeking or one of the sugar sites if I'm not mistaken? I remember her pics but can't remember username. Info on her? Good time?

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/lovelylillian-333[/URL][/QUOTE]I wonder if this is really Lannette or if someone is playing a game with her pics. She is widely known so this seems odd.

I met her previously on one of the sugar sites and she was always a good time. I'm pretty sure she deleted or maybe she blocked me but not certain. But I'm not sure if its actually her escorting now but the $1 k minimum seems like how she would price her "services" LOL.

ToneLoc.

[QUOTE=Jm1312;7308783]I wonder if this is really Lannette or if someone is playing a game with her pics. She is widely known so this seems odd.[/QUOTE]

Anyone have any info on this one? It's a new'ish account but something seems off. Just wondering if she is the same Chelsey from a long time ago that went by 'visciousvixen. ' or something.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/55988752-f1f1-4e0c-9325-8c68626c7cb3[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dbdb43cf-8caa-43b9-ad87-0c87e5c48ff6[/URL]

Any info on this one? I'm talking with her trying set up a meeting, but would love any info that available.

New SLN Girl, Kiki 25.

[URL]https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/Prettybrown/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CooWhip;7310191]Anyone have any info on this one? It's a new'ish account but something seems off. Just wondering if she is the same Chelsey from a long time ago that went by 'visciousvixen. ' or something.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/55988752-f1f1-4e0c-9325-8c68626c7cb3[/URL][/QUOTE]She's had many accounts and the reviews tend to be mixed.

[QUOTE=CooWhip;7310191]Anyone have any info on this one? It's a new'ish account but something seems off. Just wondering if she is the same Chelsey from a long time ago that went by 'visciousvixen. ' or something.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/55988752-f1f1-4e0c-9325-8c68626c7cb3[/URL][/QUOTE]Ok. I finally took the dive. Well, she's about 25 lbs heavier than her pics. She's really nice and accommodating just wasn't my cup of tea. So I will pass on future visits.

[QUOTE=CooWhip;7312055]Ok. I finally took the dive. Well, she's about 25 lbs heavier than her pics. She's really nice and accommodating just wasn't my cup of tea. So I will pass on future visits.[/QUOTE]What was the damage? After some intriguing texting with her, I was ready to take the plunge, but she requested 500 for a M&G.

SLN Girl, LizaB 28 Travel baby.

[URL]https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/LizaB/[/URL]

[QUOTE=IneptPlayer;7312475]What was the damage? After some intriguing texting with her, I was ready to take the plunge, but she requested 500 for a M&G.[/QUOTE]$500 spent unwisely.

Lucy,

Had a M&G with this one, she is the girl in the pictures but has gained significant weight. Very personable and sweet so if you like that plus short and thick, go for it.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a1cb95f0-9286-441e-a13e-05fb292b61c6[/URL]

Margo,

Is married and looking for a second source of income with the "blessing" of her husband. Automatic fail for me.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/384bc03f-d04b-4033-908c-cec18f7a35f0[/URL]

Decided to renew my profile again, after not using it for months. Consistent thing I've noticed so far is the uptick of dinner date / meet up for lunch in restaurant, women. As well as more flakes / ghosts.

Anyone know anything about Alexis? She seems good to go and quite sexy.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a7edfecd-f4b7-4e46-8aac-5624d4eb6453[/URL]

[QUOTE=CooWhip;7315778]Anyone know anything about Alexis? She seems good to go and quite sexy.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a7edfecd-f4b7-4e46-8aac-5624d4eb6453[/URL][/QUOTE]You are right she is good to go. Stays in Garner. Will host but I don't think she likes to. Has Big soft Tits but they do sag pretty good. Little baby damage. Covered FS, Okay BBJ. I did not repeat as I like multiple rounds and she wasn't into it. Said more next time but That rarely happens.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2bc5aae0-4607-4bad-b878-583de640e201[/URL]

Been talking with this one, seems good to go. Anyone have any info?

Any info on this one? She seems very good to go. Even is trying to bring her friend along.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c853bc6a-b3d0-483c-b105-d0a68f9934d7[/URL]

Gentlemen,

Eastern NC Sugar thread is dead so posting here. Erin is a good talker but very much a scammer. I've seen her pop up with multiple accounts (same person in the photos though). Will FT and share pics then start with the sob story / begging. Beware.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9bbf4d49-da78-4b0b-89a6-a67d73653892[/URL]

Blonde spinner, early 30's, fit, skilled and fun.

I met her 3 or so years ago on Seeking and just recently reconnected. She asked about meeting other respectful men so I said I'd help. I don't discuss finances. I just make introductions. She may ask for a pic so if she's not interested just move on. There have been times I haven't been someone's cup of tea. Be respectful please. When we refer each other we are representing each other.

Senior members only. DM for her contact info if interested.

[QUOTE=MrMayhem23;7324745]Blonde spinner, early 30's, fit, skilled and fun.

I met her 3 or so years ago on Seeking and just recently reconnected. She asked about meeting other respectful men so I said I'd help. I don't discuss finances. I just make introductions. She may ask for a pic so if she's not interested just move on. There have been times I haven't been someone's cup of tea. Be respectful please. When we refer each other we are representing each other.

Senior members only. DM for her contact info if interested.[/QUOTE]Your inbox full, clear messages or send me DM please.

Met with Jane, she is real, body is a bit more frumpy than the pictures suggested. Comes from a high drama background and brings that energy into the date. Also used to be a pro (seen on STG) and will check your number against "The white list" and will potentially write a review about you (the irony!) Overall was fun but will not repeat. Also will not be sharing any additional info as I don't want to get outed with this one. Have fun but proceed with caution.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fc7f0777-b37f-447e-8e5f-7dcc6e45fba7[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrMayhem23;7324745]Blonde spinner, early 30's, fit, skilled and fun.

I met her 3 or so years ago on Seeking and just recently reconnected. She asked about meeting other respectful men so I said I'd help. I don't discuss finances. I just make introductions. She may ask for a pic so if she's not interested just move on. There have been times I haven't been someone's cup of tea. Be respectful please. When we refer each other we are representing each other.

Senior members only. DM for her contact info if interested.[/QUOTE]FYI your gracious offer probably led to a full inbox. If you get a chance, please empty it out. I appreciate your offer to connect us.

Found this sb for the first time. Goes by brii marrie and stays near Fayetteville. Any intel is appreciated. Asking 5 for dream. Says looking for long term. Found her on sbene. Didn't know if I should share a pic though but possibly looks like a regular in sb / sd world.

[QUOTE=GoodBoyce;7326460]Found this sb for the first time. Goes by brii marrie and stays near Fayetteville. Any intel is appreciated. Asking 5 for dream. Says looking for long term. Found her on sbene. Didn't know if I should share a pic though but possibly looks like a regular in sb / sd world.[/QUOTE]I have come across Bri's and Marie's in my journey, maybe you will get lucky but a link or a picture will help the community help you. Don't give her any $ in advance or buy pictures, as I have encountered many a scammer who said they were located in the F-ville / Holly Springs area.

[QUOTE=LostTribe;7326730]I have come across Bri's and Marie's in my journey, maybe you will get lucky but a link or a picture will help the community help you. Don't give her any $ in advance or buy pictures, as I have encountered many a scammer who said they were located in the F-ville / Holly Springs area.[/QUOTE]Yep. Here is the brii. Appreciate any guidance. TIA!