Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

The 2nd phone was a client suggestion, thank you babe an although the first phone they sent me the LG expression was a complete pain in the rear! I took the 2nd ATF client's advise and exchanged it before the 14 days was up, I got stuck paying a $35 restocking fee but just to be able read my texts and write a reply with out being interrupted by other text coming in!!

That huge square block jumping infront of my current texting was annoying and causing me a lot of time hitting ignore or view just to get past that screen.

Thank you my luvbug, they had the new phone ready and waiting on me when I walked in today, now because the old one was not a smart phone I completely lost my schedule for the day but the clients scheduled was very understanding an have hated my new work phone for all the 14 days I had it as well so we are all happy it's gone! I'm now working off the iphone 5 see, for FREE MIND YOU! All thanks to a sexy, intelligent, well connected boss of a client who pulled strings and got it all worked out from over the phone, you guys are who I look forward to, I love picking your brain, I love hearing about your work, I love guys who can fire people!! That's such a turn on!! Not that I want anyone to lose their job but just the fact you are in the position to change someone's life with the wave of a hand, oh my my my. Oh an the computer guys. "Excuse me drooling". . The tech talk that educated conversation gets me going, the guys who have brains made from the jeopardy game log! Just tons of knowledge things that I never knew. I don't know if I'm hormonal or what right now but the smarter you are the hotter you are!!

Again thank you for helping, your wise beyond your years, you took time out to make decisions for me, selected a phone based on what you knew I needed, I feel like we went on a DATE an you ordered my food for me!

Old world gentlemen style, take over an decide for me, teach me what I like and don't like, show me how I should do things!

Got to go. Need some ME TIME!

[QUOTE=BFDeal;2401975]Did you ever write a review, after even waiting a night or two after the session, and then weeks or even a month or two later after seeing the provider a couple more time, you think to yourself, "Man, I wish I hadn't written that review?" This is more of a Cincinnati issue for me than anywhere else.

BFDeal.[/QUOTE]That is why all reviews are YMMV.

When I research a provider I always read ALL of the reviews I can find on her before spending my hard earned and limited hobby funds.

My one question, was this a new provider who was really trying hard to please you the first time and then became complacent with each of the next visits? Or was there some other underlying problem that might have made the later visits not as good?

Everyone has a bad day. That is why most restaurant critics go to a restaurant more than once before writing a review.

[QUOTE=CurvyChristina;2403059]I read a text from a guy who says he's text me two days in a row an called me yesterday and wants in TONIGHT or he's writing a bad review! Yes! Someone just threatened to write a bad review without ever meeting me!! Without ever having a session appointment, yet he was going on an on about being ignored an even said he has ruined girls business by denying him as a client!! (ever heard of getting more bees with honey mister?) so I stopped set this text to explain that threatening providers with bad reviews as a form of intimidating them to get him in was a bad approach, I then explained that he need stop being so impatient because some girls require a referral which could take a day or two anyway!![/QUOTE]The rules of the board are such that a provider cannot review a client as a response to his review of the provider. It's to prevent He said / She said argumentative threads that will go no where and just flood the boards with needless arguing. For most parts, it works, because like it or not, this board is to help guys find women to have sex with.

However, and maybe a ruling by A2 is needed on this one, but if a guy posts a fake review, can a provider just make a post saying that the session didn't happen? That's not arguing what happened at a session so much as making sure that the session being reported actually took place. I am all for fair play and threatening a bad review for a session that never happened stinks too much of coercion for sex to me.

The*mit! Those side-bar ads are flashing new pictures so quickly that I think I'm going to have an epileptic seizure.

TGM.

Ok I have to ask, why the Cookie Claire thread was removed. I posted on there and suddenly, not only does my post not get posted, but the entire thread was taken off. Not just locked like I've seen in the past. I have to ask What The Fuck?

BuyingSmiles!

[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2404203]Ok I have to ask, why the Cookie Claire thread was removed. I posted on there and suddenly, not only does my post not get posted, but the entire thread was taken off. Not just locked like I've seen in the past. I have to ask What The Fuck?

BuyingSmiles![/QUOTE]I noticed the thread earlier today. All that was on there was 4 old posts from mongers describing their visits with Claire. I asked A2 to remove it out of respect and he thought it was a good idea.

[blue]I thought that Joe had the right idea. I don't go looking for posts when something like this happens, but this was a little used thread.

While I would be damned proud to be eulogized on this forum, I'm not sure if she would have liked it.

A2[/blue]

Yes, that's the theme. But it becomes worse than complacency. I think if they maintain the business approach each time, they'll be OK. There are a couple who are fine (Steve's EE chicks), but most of the others I've seen just bring in too much drama the more you see them. That Galina is a total hottie and she's got a business type of personality each time I work through that hotel room door, and that's what I like about her.

BFDeal.

[QUOTE=BTBear;2403219]That is why all reviews are YMMV.

When I research a provider I always read ALL of the reviews I can find on her before spending my hard earned and limited hobby funds.

My one question, was this a new provider who was really trying hard to please you the first time and then became complacent with each of the next visits? Or was there some other underlying problem that might have made the later visits not as good?

Everyone has a bad day. That is why most restaurant critics go to a restaurant more than once before writing a review.[/QUOTE]

I believe I wrote the first review of Cookie Claire when she first came on the scene. I described her in that review as a "keeper" and I truly mean't it in the best sense of the word. I find myself truly upset at her loss as it represents the loss of promise for the future. A person onl had to speak with her for a short period of time to see the intelligence and wit.

I know I cannot do the things I would normally do for the family such as send flowers to the funeral and food to the family as her involvement in our community must stay forever lost to the knowledge of those outside it.

However the next time I have an adult beverage I will raise it just slightly higher and think of her smile in a silent toast to her.

Good night sweet child.

Each time a provider is lost to drugs or is murdered, we all seem to have these Naked Lunch realizations, but instead of having a frozen moment when everyone sees what is on the end of every fork, we see what has been on the end of every dick in the forum. Well, if you can't stomach seeing the truth, stop doing it. Otherwise, own that this is the way hobbying is in our area and be quiet about it.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;2405310]Each time a provider is lost to drugs or is murdered, we all seem to have these Naked Lunch realizations, but instead of having a frozen moment when everyone sees what is on the end of every fork, we see what has been on the end of every dick in the forum. Well, if you can't stomach seeing the truth, stop doing it. Otherwise, own that this is the way hobbying is in our area and be quiet about it.[/QUOTE]I personally think each person deserves to mourn in the way they see fit. Just as you have decided to be cold an impartial about it. Maybe if we all are not quiet about it and shine a light upon such a sad and terrible way for a young person to pass some other person that might be using may change their ways.

Wyvren.

[QUOTE=AdamP469;2405310]Each time a provider is lost to drugs or is murdered, we all seem to have these Naked Lunch realizations, but instead of having a frozen moment when everyone sees what is on the end of every fork, we see what has been on the end of every dick in the forum. Well, if you can't stomach seeing the truth, stop doing it. Otherwise, own that this is the way hobbying is in our area and be quiet about it.[/QUOTE]Addiction is a *****, regardless of what your hobby is.

Hey Huntfourever can you consider a name change your handle is awful close to mine I just got a pm from a fellow monger who thought I was you. Save for the 668 post difference our handles are very similar. I'm sure if you pm admin2 he would be more than happy to accommodate you. Thanks in advance. HL29.

I know this is just a damn shame but will I chime in on this. I had the pleasure of seeing her once. It was a very nice time. We connected very nicely. She was very easy to talk to too. This is a shame and shows bad times. Compassion is what is needed now, nothing else. If anyone knows how I can help her in any way, please pm me. This is what we should be doing to make sure she is taken care of at the end. Peace, ZT.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;2406421]Hey Huntfourever can you consider a name change your handle is awful close to mine I just got a pm from a fellow monger who thought I was you. Save for the 668 post difference our handles are very similar. I'm sure if you pm admin2 he would be more than happy to accommodate you. Thanks in advance. HL29.[/QUOTE]What if someone suggested that you change your name? Perhaps there is too much confusion between you and LakersFan both having nine alpha characters in your handles followed by the number 29? My guess is that you would tell them to fuck off and learn to read.

HuntFourEver should probably review the posting guidelines so that A2 doesn't need to step in to correct his posts with blue ink. I don't see though where a name change is needed unless for some reason he is wanting to have it changed. If we are not to discourage other members from posting information, I think a similar situation might apply with this request.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;2406421]Hey Huntfourever can you consider a name change your handle is awful close to mine I just got a pm from a fellow monger who thought I was you. Save for the 668 post difference our handles are very similar. I'm sure if you pm admin2 he would be more than happy to accommodate you. Thanks in advance. HL29.[/QUOTE]Is a fucking moron! Ladys29 and forever are not even close.

BuyingSmiles!

[QUOTE=Ceenote;2406602]What if someone suggested that you change your name? Perhaps there is too much confusion between you and LakersFan both having nine alpha characters in your handles followed by the number 29? My guess is that you would tell them to fuck off and learn to read.

HuntFourEver should probably review the posting guidelines so that A2 doesn't need to step in to correct his posts with blue ink. I don't see though where a name change is needed unless for some reason he is wanting to have it changed. If we are not to discourage other members from posting information, I think a similar situation might apply with this request.[/QUOTE]This post was for Hunt for ever not you mind your own business, and what does LakersFan have to do with anything? That's the problem with this board to many people that won't mind their own business. Let this grown man speak for himself or are you his advisor and mouthpiece? And since I've been on here for 3 years and had this name first why would somebody ask me to change my name? Everything you said sounds stupid again chump mind your own business. And I never tried to discourage him from posting information chump. HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;2406741]This post was for Hunt for ever not you mind your own business, and what does LakersFan have to do with anything? That's the problem with this board to many people that won't mind their own business. Let this grown man speak for himself or are you his advisor and mouthpiece? And since I've been on here for 3 years and had this name first why would somebody ask me to change my name? Everything you said sounds stupid again chump mind your own business. And I never tried to discourage him from posting information chump. HL29.[/QUOTE]LakersFan doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. I was pointing out that your request for HuntForEver to change his name is about as ridiculous as asking LakersFan to change his because you share a 29. Lighten up Francis.

[QUOTE=Wyvren;2405329]I personally think each person deserves to mourn in the way they see fit. Just as you have decided to be cold an impartial about it. Maybe if we all are not quiet about it and shine a light upon such a sad and terrible way for a young person to pass some other person that might be using may change their ways.

Wyvren.[/QUOTE]Fires a needle into their veins and not know the consequence.

[QUOTE=NKY747;2407014]Fires a needle into their veins and not know the consequence.[/QUOTE]I think that's a lot of girls.

Heroin's no joke -- and even with Claire's passing, another USASG provider was arrested this week for H possession and a needle. I'll save the name (mainly because it's against the rules), but, if you don't know who it is, PM me and I'll share details.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;2406741]This post was for Hunt for ever not you mind your own business, and what does LakersFan have to do with anything? That's the problem with this board to many people that won't mind their own business. Let this grown man speak for himself or are you his advisor and mouthpiece? And since I've been on here for 3 years and had this name first why would somebody ask me to change my name? Everything you said sounds stupid again chump mind your own business. And I never tried to discourage him from posting information chump. HL29.[/QUOTE]Since this is the Octagon I have to chime in. If you post in the open forum, especially this one, you open yourself up to public ridicule. If you wanted everyone else to mind their own business, you could have sent your request via pm.

[QUOTE=LurkinGround;2407089]Since this is the Octagon I have to chime in. If you post in the open forum, especially this one, you open yourself up to public ridicule. If you wanted everyone else to mind their own business, you could have sent your request via pm.[/QUOTE]Are you guys this mans Boswell? I've never seen so many rescue guys this was intended for him and him only. Let this man speak for himself. HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;2407563]Are you guys this mans Boswell? I've never seen so many rescue guys this was intended for him and him only. Let this man speak for himself. HL29.[/QUOTE]Face it, you were out of line. There really isn't THAT much similarity in your names.

[QUOTE=MisforMaster;2407062]I think that's a lot of girls.

Heroin's no joke -- and even with Claire's passing, another USASG provider was arrested this week for H possession and a needle. I'll save the name (mainly because it's against the rules), but, if you don't know who it is, PM me and I'll share details.[/QUOTE]The girl sitting in jail is guilty only of associating with a former working girl, from a so called retired agency, aka UTR. The girl in jail is going down because the former UTR girl, who's rig and dope were found, sat there like a fucking punk ass * and let the shit get pinned on her so called friend. With friends like her.

Girls if your not doing the devil drug, don't associate with those who are. This is exhibit A on how it can still fuck you up.

There is no honor among addicts!

BuyingSmiles!

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2407567]Face it, you were out of line. There really isn't THAT much similarity in your names.[/QUOTE]I'm not out of line I can ask a person anything I want, just like I'm asking you to mind your own business also. Everybody is interested in what I said but Hunts for ever. He just ignored me but the nose butting busy body defenders have so much to say. Why don't you guys go fight crime or something be in the neighborhood crime watch that way you can continue to be busy bodies and then you might even get some credit for it. HL29.

Let's see, I've never heard of somebody getting a response of value on the ISO. Escort, Craigslist, and general reviews have mostly questions not reviews. The Classifieds have small pictures, the ads never change, and the message boxes don't seem to work at all. And now we have to sift thru guys pissing in each other's sandboxes abut a third of a name. It sure makes me want to log on and try to find a good provider. I started paying when I got too old and whipped to get it on my own, and now I can barely find somebody to pay. Geez guys let's get back to the real reason for using a site like this. Oh yea, the lack of wrap around feature when you post is also a pain in the ass. Lets clean it up guys.

One provider who I kinda ended up becoming friends with just recently let me know she was a user. Although, when I saw her before she said she wasn't and even showed her arm for needle marks (Just like every other providers does). Well, she told me she snorted it. We talked awhile about it and I learned a lot I did not know since I don't know jack about drugs. It also gave me realization of how many of these providers who say they weren't users who could most definitely be one. She said most providers do H with this certain chemical in it which makes them sleepy and nod out which she said she does not use. Made me think of a certain well known provider who nodded out during BJ. And many other providers. And all these GFE providers. She told me she used get into the whole GFE. And a lot of these others probably do the same.

That is something to look at since I see countless reports from guys saying this girl or that girl clearly isn't a user because she showed her arms and has no marks.

There's countless ways you can do H other than with a needle. You can somewhat just tell by the way they act or look.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;2407780]Let's see, I've never heard of somebody getting a response of value on the ISO. Escort, Craigslist, and general reviews have mostly questions not reviews. The Classifieds have small pictures, the ads never change, and the message boxes don't seem to work at all. And now we have to sift thru guys pissing in each other's sandboxes abut a third of a name. It sure makes me want to log on and try to find a good provider. I started paying when I got too old and whipped to get it on my own, and now I can barely find somebody to pay. Geez guys let's get back to the real reason for using a site like this. Oh yea, the lack of wrap around feature when you post is also a pain in the ass. Lets clean it up guys.[/QUOTE]Fantastic post could not agree more.

Wyvren.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;2407780]Let's see, I've never heard of somebody getting a response of value on the ISO. Escort, Craigslist, and general reviews have mostly questions not reviews. The Classifieds have small pictures, the ads never change, and the message boxes don't seem to work at all. And now we have to sift thru guys pissing in each other's sandboxes abut a third of a name. It sure makes me want to log on and try to find a good provider. I started paying when I got too old and whipped to get it on my own, and now I can barely find somebody to pay. Geez guys let's get back to the real reason for using a site like this. Oh yea, the lack of wrap around feature when you post is also a pain in the ass. Lets clean it up guys.[/QUOTE]Yep. You got it. There's something in the water up there.

It isn't H it's going to be methadone or any of a list of painers that one can score on a running list. I've seen girls shoot, snort, burn, parachute and even plunge before. It's their world not mine but I surely don't want to go down for the count being unknowledgeable to who I'm with.

And to the statement of being Mr. Rescue on a dope sick moment; being at the right spot at the right time affords the appreciation by them but I'd rather do it at an arm's length, after the fact, not in the presence of what's going down watching one look like death warmed over and the other puking their guts out laying in the tub. That's when I cut off all ties, end the game. You're in a hot spot if someone crashes through that door. Just feeding the fire.

Onto other topics.

Can anyone fill me in on why the advertisers page is lacking the numerous providers that once-was on the growing thread that was shut down last year? I spent an hour digging through the old thread confirming digits, and it seems that the rotation / selection got slaughtered. Some of which I know are still rolling and currently providing. Any intel or is it just too difficult for these girls to manage strictly off a mobile phone access at this point?

I haven't been on in awhile but I've kept active; Indirectly met a woman who was a former escort in Louisville, came up here to move away from the life, had a couple kids and plays make believe it never happened. Oh so slowly I wormed that truth out of her and the party started when I found out she got her eyes blacked out by an abusive husband. Another lactating lady, I seem to draw to those types but haven't had the luxury of sampling the goods yet. It's coming though as pics and body rubs didn't even exist just a couple months ago. This "nun" mentality is as thin as a lace curtain. Life is good when someone wants to Polish yer hardwood.

From Lost in Translation, Peaches doing Fuck the Pain Away.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmFp0I8AZqw[/URL]

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;2407563]Are you guys this mans Boswell? I've never seen so many rescue guys this was intended for him and him only. Let this man speak for himself. HL29.[/QUOTE]There are 9 variations of dilligaf, two variations of dilligas and me, dilli gara on this site. None of us are confused. Our names are a lot closer than huntladys29 and huntforever. Only a moron would be confused. On behalf of me and the rest of the dilli (Does It Look like I) brothers, none of us Give A Fuck, Give A Shit or Give A Rats Ass about your confusion. Grow up!

I logged on to the forum for the first time in a week or so and was shocked and horrified to hear of Cookie Claire's death. I know this is a few days old news but felt I should post something anyway.

I'll admit this is the first person I've known who was lost to heroin. Up to now it's largely been an abstraction. This past year I saw her quite a bit and always enjoyed my time with her. Claire had a kind of classic beauty that was unique in this monger-arena. She had such a warm welcoming smile when she opened the door and that's always going to be a good memory for me. If I was in my 20's I could have easily fallen for her. Just such a mellow and personable character.

The last time I saw her was just a couple months ago or so. She looked good. Maybe a bit too thin, but she seemed happy and after the fun was done we chatted for quite a while. She was talking energetically about the future, maybe going back to school for paralegal training or something else clerical-related. She had said the money was coming in well and it could be possible to do that soon. I encouraged her to go for it. I realize it could have been just bluster, but she's always seemed genuine. We also talked a bit about some of the other working girls and I suggested she talk to some of the established ladies who seem to have their head screwed on straight. I had always suspected she could be a user, so in a subtle way I had suggested that I try to steer clear of the obvious drug users these days if I can. The slight twinkle in her eye was an unfortunate giveaway. I decided then that she might not be on my go-to list in the future unless I heard evidence of a clean-up.

Unfortunately this sweet creature at some point made a decision away from a brighter future towards the death-spiral and there's no coming back from it. I was more affected then I thought I would be. It's such a waste. My hope is that if anyone out there has been reading the posts about Claire and has this awful addiction, please get help NOW. There are amazing professionals out there who can help. They are overworked and can't meet the demand due to the heroin epidemic, but help is out there. There is only one other way out.

My apologies if this is an indulgence, but I have no one I can trust in my real life to talk to about this. Needed to vent a bit about what I'm feeling. Here's to hoping my next post will be a happier one. RIP dear Claire.

[QUOTE=DrBnode73;2410660]I logged on to the forum for the first time in a week or so and was shocked and horrified to hear of Cookie Claire's death. I know this is a few days old news but felt I should post something anyway.

I'll admit this is the first person I've known who was lost to heroin. Up to now it's largely been an abstraction. This past year I saw her quite a bit and always enjoyed my time with her. Claire had a kind of classic beauty that was unique in this monger-arena. She had such a warm welcoming smile when she opened the door and that's always going to be a good memory for me. If I was in my 20's I could have easily fallen for her. Just such a mellow and personable character.

The last time I saw her was just a couple months ago or so. She looked good. Maybe a bit too thin, but she seemed happy and after the fun was done we chatted for quite a while. She was talking energetically about the future, maybe going back to school for paralegal training or something else clerical-related. She had said the money was coming in well and it could be possible to do that soon. I encouraged her to go for it. I realize it could have been just bluster, but she's always seemed genuine. We also talked a bit about some of the other working girls and I suggested she talk to some of the established ladies who seem to have their head screwed on straight. I had always suspected she could be a user, so in a subtle way I had suggested that I try to steer clear of the obvious drug users these days if I can. The slight twinkle in her eye was an unfortunate giveaway. I decided then that she might not be on my go-to list in the future unless I heard evidence of a clean-up.

Unfortunately this sweet creature at some point made a decision away from a brighter future towards the death-spiral and there's no coming back from it. I was more affected then I thought I would be. It's such a waste. My hope is that if anyone out there has been reading the posts about Claire and has this awful addiction, please get help NOW. There are amazing professionals out there who can help. They are overworked and can't meet the demand due to the heroin epidemic, but help is out there. There is only one other way out.

My apologies if this is an indulgence, but I have no one I can trust in my real life to talk to about this. Needed to vent a bit about what I'm feeling. Here's to hoping my next post will be a happier one. RIP dear Claire.[/QUOTE]I could feel, to an extent, the emotion you felt when writing this. When death, by any means, comes to someone for whom we have warm sweet thoughts and feelings, it is inevitable to feel the kind of loss you describe. Death in such a tragic way, the loss of a life that sounds so lovely and beautiful by nature, is beyond words. You are human. You are fortunate to feel so deeply as you do. Hold on to this part of your self. Take care.

[QUOTE=DrBnode73;2410660]I logged on to the forum for the first time in a week or so and was shocked and horrified to hear of Cookie Claire's death. I know this is a few days old news but felt I should post something anyway.

I'll admit this is the first person I've known who was lost to heroin. Up to now it's largely been an abstraction. This past year I saw her quite a bit and always enjoyed my time with her. Claire had a kind of classic beauty that was unique in this monger-arena. She had such a warm welcoming smile when she opened the door and that's always going to be a good memory for me. If I was in my 20's I could have easily fallen for her. Just such a mellow and personable character.

The last time I saw her was just a couple months ago or so. She looked good. Maybe a bit too thin, but she seemed happy and after the fun was done we chatted for quite a while. She was talking energetically about the future, maybe going back to school for paralegal training or something else clerical-related. She had said the money was coming in well and it could be possible to do that soon. I encouraged her to go for it. I realize it could have been just bluster, but she's always seemed genuine. We also talked a bit about some of the other working girls and I suggested she talk to some of the established ladies who seem to have their head screwed on straight. I had always suspected she could be a user, so in a subtle way I had suggested that I try to steer clear of the obvious drug users these days if I can. The slight twinkle in her eye was an unfortunate giveaway. I decided then that she might not be on my go-to list in the future unless I heard evidence of a clean-up.

Unfortunately this sweet creature at some point made a decision away from a brighter future towards the death-spiral and there's no coming back from it. I was more affected then I thought I would be. It's such a waste. My hope is that if anyone out there has been reading the posts about Claire and has this awful addiction, please get help NOW. There are amazing professionals out there who can help. They are overworked and can't meet the demand due to the heroin epidemic, but help is out there. There is only one other way out.

My apologies if this is an indulgence, but I have no one I can trust in my real life to talk to about this. Needed to vent a bit about what I'm feeling. Here's to hoping my next post will be a happier one. RIP dear Claire.[/QUOTE]I understand what you're feeling. I saw Cookie once a year or so ago and she seemed so innocent and sweet. Such a waste. Heroin is today's epidemic that is destroying so many lives. A woman is now being prosecuted for trading her 11 year old daughter for a hit of H. Unbelievable. The problem with this hobby is that 75% of the women in it are in it to support their drug habits. Many of those are on Heroin and may not have visible track marks on their arms. They are smart enough to hide their injection marks between toes, behind knees, anywhere we won't see it. This type of tragedy makes me feel complicit in this cycle of death. One more reason to quit the hobby. That and the fact that most of the regular providers here have already been busted and the crackdown is in full force on us mongers too. Be safe.

[QUOTE=DrBnode73;2410660]I logged on to the forum for the first time in a week or so and was shocked and horrified to hear of Cookie Claire's death. I know this is a few days old news but felt I should post something anyway.

I'll admit this is the first person I've known who was lost to heroin. Up to now it's largely been an abstraction. This past year I saw her quite a bit and always enjoyed my time with her. Claire had a kind of classic beauty that was unique in this monger-arena. She had such a warm welcoming smile when she opened the door and that's always going to be a good memory for me. If I was in my 20's I could have easily fallen for her. Just such a mellow and personable character.

The last time I saw her was just a couple months ago or so. She looked good. Maybe a bit too thin, but she seemed happy and after the fun was done we chatted for quite a while. She was talking energetically about the future, maybe going back to school for paralegal training or something else clerical-related. She had said the money was coming in well and it could be possible to do that soon. I encouraged her to go for it. I realize it could have been just bluster, but she's always seemed genuine. We also talked a bit about some of the other working girls and I suggested she talk to some of the established ladies who seem to have their head screwed on straight. I had always suspected she could be a user, so in a subtle way I had suggested that I try to steer clear of the obvious drug users these days if I can. The slight twinkle in her eye was an unfortunate giveaway. I decided then that she might not be on my go-to list in the future unless I heard evidence of a clean-up.

Unfortunately this sweet creature at some point made a decision away from a brighter future towards the death-spiral and there's no coming back from it. I was more affected then I thought I would be. It's such a waste. My hope is that if anyone out there has been reading the posts about Claire and has this awful addiction, please get help NOW. There are amazing professionals out there who can help. They are overworked and can't meet the demand due to the heroin epidemic, but help is out there. There is only one other way out.

My apologies if this is an indulgence, but I have no one I can trust in my real life to talk to about this. Needed to vent a bit about what I'm feeling. Here's to hoping my next post will be a happier one. RIP dear Claire.[/QUOTE]While I can't say I held her in the same esteem. It is weird, she is the first person I've known to die from it as well. I remember my first visit from her and my more recent one was dramatically different. She was thinner and I thought she had track marks but she still seemed super chill and laid back. It is a mixed bag of feelings and I understand the lack of people to talk to about this. Can't exactly talk openly about it.

[QUOTE=Jppnky;2407138]Have never and will never see a provider who requires references. It totally f's it up the next time you see the girls who were contacted as a reference. "Why didn't you come and see me".[/QUOTE]If I were going to see a Provider I guess I would be skeptical if she didn't didn't check references; seems to me that would suggest that she wasn't concerned about her safety OR mine. Neither would be good in my view.

Just my. 02.

CFG.

[QUOTE=Cincyfunguy;2411116]If I were going to see a Provider I guess I would be skeptical if she didn't didn't check references; seems to me that would suggest that she wasn't concerned about her safety OR mine. Neither would be good in my view.

Just my. 02.

CFG.[/QUOTE]Only have 2 comments on this- do the providers really check with your references? And lets face it, when you write a review its going to be seen by providers as well, so if they're going to be pissed you went elsewhere, they will know just by your review.

[QUOTE=PhatPhello;2411159]Only have 2 comments on this- do the providers really check with your references? And lets face it, when you write a review its going to be seen by providers as well, so if they're going to be pissed you went elsewhere, they will know just by your review.[/QUOTE]Yes some of is do check references but I would rather have a pm if someone is a member because I can get a lot of info just by reading someone's post. I do references if someone isn't a member or if there post count is real low. But when I do refs or check membership all I want to know is if someone is safe to see and that he is respectful. I don't need to know any other info. Saftey is a priority for me and most others and that's all references are really checked for. But no provider should be mad you went elsewhere. Myself I want my clients safe and if a client doesn't come back to see me I know it's because I 1. Am not their type, 2. Didn't give great services like I should have, 3. Location is too far or 4. I am just not their type. But I definitely want to make sure my clients remain safe so that they always have the option to come back if they ever wanted to.

[QUOTE=PhatPhello;2411159]Only have 2 comments on this- do the providers really check with your references? And lets face it, when you write a review its going to be seen by providers as well, so if they're going to be pissed you went elsewhere, they will know just by your review.[/QUOTE]Just as we check these forums for reviews they should have a way to help mitigate the risk they are taking. If they conduct themselves professionally then there should be no drama. The time spent is a business arrangement not an emotional relationship. I have no problems giving references provided I have done my homework first. Maybe there should be a provider only section where they can discuss clients that are not safe to see or time wasters.