Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6473213]You're not factoring in the most important resource enough, which is time. You mentioned it briefly, but that's really the biggest issue.

I don't have 10-20 hours of travel time (and aggravation) to spend just so I can save, based on your calculations, maybe $50-150 off my PPM arrangement. Would rather just jump in my car and drive 15 minutes, spend as much or as little time as I want, and then be back to normal life. I don't want to have to plan a cross country trip or something. I want to be able to call up my girl, see if she's free tonight, and just be back in time for sleep..[/QUOTE]"Once you have an arrangement setup, its far more convenient and nice. " absolutely. This is the goal and it's the best possible situation to have. The reality and truth though is that it is very difficult to get a consistent arrangement set up that lasts for the long run. I don't have any data to back this up but I would say the typical arrangement from seeking lasts about 1-3 months. So every couple of months you will be prospecting. It's a constant cycle of prospecting that you need to account for, which ultimately will eat more and more into your time. To avoid all of that, taking a plane trip to Montreal Canada for a sure thing and then coming back home the next day could be a reasonable alternative.

If it were that easy to get into consistent and stable arrangements, I would agree with you. But it's not that easy. A lot of grinding is required and you will need to continue to grind even if you find an arrangement. Arrangements fizzle out, things don't last. And it's not exactly easy to replace a lost sugar chick that was decent. Maybe you and others have different experiences, but in my experience it requires a decent amount of work to find a girl that is okay with routine intimate dates, decently attractive, and you offering a reasonable PPM. One thing I've realized is that even if you offer a high PPM that still won't increase your success rate by much, because a lot of girls on seeking are just not down with intimately hooking up regularly. They want platonic, gifts, outings, etc, etc. It's not easy to get an intimate arrangement set up.

As far as the 800-1000 PPM arrangements go, these arrangements are never economically justified, no matter which way you try to spin it. Because I can just come back and say "well you can just go to Canada or Mexico and get the same exact thing for 200 PPM". And then you say "yeah but it takes time to travel to those places". And then we get back to what I said earlier: it's a personal decision. Would you rather pay 1000 PPM, or invest the time to go on a trip and get 200 PPM. I personally see this whole situation as a temporary thing until I can relocate out of the US and put myself in a better position permanently. But for others that have no plans to relocate at all in the future, then yeah 1000 PPM may make sense for them. Personal decision.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6473117]For 300 PPM it's cheaper to do sugar babies in the US. Anything above 300-350 PPM and it's not worth it because going to Mexico or Canada would be cheaper.

If you live in the north east, Montreal Canada is 1-3 hours away by plane. Plane ticket to get there is $650 round trip. Hotel probably $100 a night. Stay there for 2 nights and bang 2 girls per night. You can get escorts in Montreal for $200-220 CAD for 1 hour which is about $150-170 USD. Lots of escort agencies and they have hot girls available, here is one: [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/[/URL].

4 girls will cost you around $600 USD, flight $650, hotel $200. Total $1450 spent, over 4 girls that's $362 per girl. Still cheaper than $400 PPM. You could argue that paying $350 PPM in the USA is worth it. But the reality is that guys paying 500,600, or 800 PPM for sugar babies in the USA are not really making wise financial decisions if all they are looking for is sex. If on the other hand, they are paying for the experience of going on dates and they want to support the girls financially then yeah 500-800 PPM makes sense. But if it's mainly for sexual access then it doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]As others have said, you have a hyper focus on the price tag and really just the idea of paying 500 instead of 300. The distance between 300 and 400 or 500 can get you every little devious detail that you like in an experience. Money is only one aspect of the game. Grinding on Seeking isn't even that tough. Yes there may be disappointments and scammers, but I'm doing this for the comfort of my own sofa with a drink in hand while watching a baseball game! The value of meeting up with someone you find attractive 10-15 minutes from home or at your house for a hot multi pop untimed session and then going home to sleep in you own bed is priceless!

And yes it is possible for average looking 40-60 yo men to pick up attractive women (even young ones) at bars. It just doesn't happen every weekend and usually involves someone less than completely stable!

Seems like there's quite a range from 200 - 800 out there. Of course some girls ask for more. I like to stay in the 200 - 300 range per meet. I try to always discuss the potential of a regular thing 3-4 times a month. That seems to work often. I have done 400 with one extra hot college gal but that always included overnight. I do agree the game is getting harder and plenty of unrealistic millennials out there keep it interesting LOL. The basic math might work for a trip to Canada or Mexico but like some others have said who has that kind of available time! I have also been working on my dollar store, Wawa and smoke shop game. Some cash, 200 +/- can go a long way for a young lady on a tight budget. I think some of the attraction is just the thrill of the hunt all IMHO!

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6470195]I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.

Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.

I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.

Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Runner8;6473498]...I have also been working on my dollar store, Wawa and smoke shop game. Some cash, 200 +/- can go a long way for a young lady on a tight budget. I think some of the attraction is just the thrill of the hunt all IMHO![/QUOTE]We need a whole new forum just for these kind of ideas! In my 20's and 30's I couldn't recognize a woman basically throwing it at me! Now days, it doesn't matter where I am, grocery store, gas station, or the local bar / restaurant I'll find the right target!

As far as standard pricing. There's great info on Reddit, it probably skewed about 100 high but still pretty good info.

[QUOTE=Runner8;6473498]Seems like there's quite a range from 200 - 800 out there. Of course some girls ask for more. I like to stay in the 200 - 300 range per meet. I try to always discuss the potential of a regular thing 3-4 times a month. That seems to work often. I have done 400 with one extra hot college gal but that always included overnight. I do agree the game is getting harder and plenty of unrealistic millennials out there keep it interesting LOL. The basic math might work for a trip to Canada or Mexico but like some others have said who has that kind of available time! I have also been working on my dollar store, Wawa and smoke shop game. Some cash, 200 +/- can go a long way for a young lady on a tight budget. I think some of the attraction is just the thrill of the hunt all IMHO![/QUOTE]I try and stay at 200 myself unless I really really want her then maybe I'll go higher. But never more than 4.

I know this girl. She's been in the game since she was 19 YO. A UTR girl. I saw her for years. Then, around age 25 YO, she got heavy. REALLY heavy. The pics on her profile now are about a year old. She's heavier now. How do I know? During my dry spell on SA I hit her up for old times sake about two months ago. (And to see if she's lost weight. She hadn't lost any and gained 10 lbs more! Such a shame. As a 20 YO she was smoking hot! Needless to say I didn't repeat. I swear she had a kid. But she denies it. She's a good person that has some street smarts. But I won't see her again due to the weight gain. Way too thicc for me now. IF you like thicc curvy chicks, she may be for you.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c1a110eb-8c9c-41b2-a3dc-987c40c72716[/URL]

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6474798]I know this girl. She's been in the game since she was 19 YO. A UTR girl. I saw her for years. Then, around age 25 YO, she got heavy. REALLY heavy. The pics on her profile now are about a year old. She's heavier now. How do I know? During my dry spell on SA I hit her up for old times sake about two months ago. (And to see if she's lost weight. She hadn't lost any and gained 10 lbs more! Such a shame. As a 20 YO she was smoking hot! Needless to say I didn't repeat. I swear she had a kid. But she denies it. She's a good person that has some street smarts. But I won't see her again due to the weight gain. Way too thicc for me now. IF you like thicc curvy chicks, she may be for you.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c1a110eb-8c9c-41b2-a3dc-987c40c72716[/URL][/QUOTE]I honestly hate words like "curvy" and "thicc" because they are just so nebulous, it basically describes nothing. Is she actually obese / fat? Because you say she was "Really" heavy. That implies fat enough that the pictures are just totally misleading.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0a38fe13-a9c4-4f89-87bf-c9180c9adbdd[/URL]

She says she wants just dates. Already has a bf so no intimacy. Jesus. I could have a date with myself at home for fking free. Love how she puts on her profile that she's single too. These women are real pieces of work.

[QUOTE=Kcesar68;6474868][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0a38fe13-a9c4-4f89-87bf-c9180c9adbdd[/URL]

She says she wants just dates. Already has a bf so no intimacy. Jesus. I could have a date with myself at home for fking free. Love how she puts on her profile that she's single too. These women are real pieces of work.[/QUOTE]Ya there's a lot of that.

I'm curious how other guys are doing, what kind of results they are getting, and if they are fucking hot girls from seeking consistently. It's one thing to bang an 8/10 from seeking once, I'm wondering if anyone is actually able to keep them in rotation and bang them for a good bit. In my experience, those solid chicks you do get end up just falling off at some point. Very difficult to keep them for long term bang sessions.

I did have 1 girl that I could keep seeing and was a lower end PPM. But I kind of blew it up on purpose because she wasn't that attractive and I was getting bored of fucking her.

Also had 1 other girl that I was seeing for at least a few months but she ended up having to move out of the city cause she finished college.

Also had another girl that I saw for a lower end PPM for at least 1-2 months. Foreign girl. She definitely was stolen from me though. One of you bastards here offered her 500 PPM and took her away from me LOL. On a serious note it probably wasn't anyone here, but yeah I know for a fact that I got priced out. I got lucky with that one, really attractive and lower PPM because she was new. Took her out on dates and stuff so wasn't just trying to take advantage.

I stopped using seeking for now. I think the site has gone totally down hill at this point. It used to be good but I'm pretty sure those days are over.

If anyone is still crushing it on seeking and getting sex with hot girls on a consistent level, do let us know and please inform us. It's cool to at least see some guys that are actually banging these hotties, even though the site has gone to total shit.

[QUOTE=Kcesar68;6474851]I honestly hate words like "curvy" and "thicc" because they are just so nebulous, it basically describes nothing. Is she actually obese / fat? Because you say she was "Really" heavy. That implies fat enough that the pictures are just totally misleading.[/QUOTE]She's 10 lbs heavier than those pics. Like MOST of these chicks who post old profile pics. She's just as misleading as the majority on SA. That is her in the pics. Just a bit thinner her.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6475311]Ya there's a lot of that.

I'm curious how other guys are doing, what kind of results they are getting, and if they are fucking hot girls from seeking consistently. It's one thing to bang an 8/10 from seeking once, I'm wondering if anyone is actually able to keep them in rotation and bang them for a good bit. In my experience, those solid chicks you do get end up just falling off at some point. Very difficult to keep them for long term bang sessions.

I did have 1 girl that I could keep seeing and was a lower end PPM. But I kind of blew it up on purpose because she wasn't that attractive and I was getting bored of fucking her.

Also had 1 other girl that I was seeing for at least a few months but she ended up having to move out of the city cause she finished college.

Also had another girl that I saw for a lower end PPM for at least 1-2 months. Foreign girl. She definitely was stolen from me though. One of you bastards here offered her 500 PPM and took her away from me LOL. On a serious note it probably wasn't anyone here, but yeah I know for a fact that I got priced out. I got lucky with that one, really attractive and lower PPM because she was new. Took her out on dates and stuff so wasn't just trying to take advantage..[/QUOTE]First, I'm not into the "glamour" girls. The ones that don't smile in their pics, overly made up with over the top fake lashes and too much (in my opinion) make up. I manage to find 22-30 year old sexpots some of which I personally grade out 7-9's. But here's the thing I'm into fitness and have a look many consider attractive. Also I have many younger friends and am in step with younger sensibilities. I know how to talk. I present myself as dominant but when we discuss this I let them know that I'm experienced and understand things like check ins and communication while we're fucking. And I make sure to follow up. These women need to feel safe, comfortable and also it helps to be found attractive on multiple levels. The reptilian approach that basically is saying "I give you money so you're just a thing" is unappealing to many and helps you to be treated as an ATM because that's what you're telling them is all you have to offer. Bring more to the table. When you find a good one do sweet little things for them when you're not together. It goes a long way. If anyone wants some basic coaching hit me up directly.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6475311]Ya there's a lot of that.

I'm curious how other guys are doing, what kind of results they are getting, and if they are fucking hot girls from seeking consistently. It's one thing to bang an 8/10 from seeking once, I'm wondering if anyone is actually able to keep them in rotation and bang them for a good bit. In my experience, those solid chicks you do get end up just falling off at some point. Very difficult to keep them for long term bang sessions.

I did have 1 girl that I could keep seeing and was a lower end PPM. But I kind of blew it up on purpose because she wasn't that attractive and I was getting bored of fucking her.

Also had 1 other girl that I was seeing for at least a few months but she ended up having to move out of the city cause she finished college.

Also had another girl that I saw for a lower end PPM for at least 1-2 months. Foreign girl. She definitely was stolen from me though. One of you bastards here offered her 500 PPM and took her away from me LOL. On a serious note it probably wasn't anyone here, but yeah I know for a fact that I got priced out. I got lucky with that one, really attractive and lower PPM because she was new. Took her out on dates and stuff so wasn't just trying to take advantage..[/QUOTE]Our individual preferences are subjective but I'd say that given a month of leisurely searching, I can find at least two to three "8/10" to meet up with. Will they be long term? You alluded to it yourself. Sometimes they move on and sometimes we do. If I'm doing PPM, I'm not looking for anything long term. I can find good repeatable experiences.

This one is a fake. And I quote:

I am looking for a long term romantic and intimate relationship. Maybe I wish for more companionship and love.

But I usually seldom use the site. Maybe we can keep in touch through WhatsApp. What is your phone number?

WhatsApp is the scammer way to communicate with dudes who are likely actually in Pakistan! That's why the English is awkward. (Scammers will be using ChatGPT soon!! So it will be more of a challenge to detect.) They use a VPN to give them a USA log on location. Ugh. Next!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6606bd88-4f7a-42e4-8b27-3624379179d5?metric=true[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6476024]Our individual preferences are subjective but I'd say that given a month of leisurely searching, I can find at least two to three "8/10" to meet up with. Will they be long term? You alluded to it yourself. Sometimes they move on and sometimes we do. If I'm doing PPM, I'm not looking for anything long term. I can find good repeatable experiences.[/QUOTE]Very good. Props to you then, you've figured it out.

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6475888]First, I'm not into the "glamour" girls. The ones that don't smile in their pics, overly made up with over the top fake lashes and too much (in my opinion) make up. I manage to find 22-30 year old sexpots some of which I personally grade out 7-9's. But here's the thing I'm into fitness and have a look many consider attractive. Also I have many younger friends and am in step with younger sensibilities. I know how to talk. I present myself as dominant but when we discuss this I let them know that I'm experienced and understand things like check ins and communication while we're fucking. And I make sure to follow up. These women need to feel safe, comfortable and also it helps to be found attractive on multiple levels. The reptilian approach that basically is saying "I give you money so you're just a thing" is unappealing to many and helps you to be treated as an ATM because that's what you're telling them is all you have to offer. Bring more to the table. When you find a good one do sweet little things for them when you're not together. It goes a long way. If anyone wants some basic coaching hit me up directly.[/QUOTE]I would argue that being "coached" to be a sugar daddy is not something guys should aspire for but hey, to each is their own LOL.

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6475713]She's 10 lbs heavier than those pics. Like MOST of these chicks who post old profile pics. She's just as misleading as the majority on SA. That is her in the pics. Just a bit thinner her.[/QUOTE]So she's 10 lbs heavier than pics where she was already pretty damn slim and you call that in your own words "Really heavy" I hate to think what you'd call her if she put on 25 lbs. This is going to be fun.