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I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.
Anyone able to meet this one?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/13c02a4f-5183-4e40-b7da-4dab6f1971f9[/URL]
She's online all the time for years. I think she only meets older guys. PPM is probably something stupid like 300-500.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6470208]Anyone able to meet this one?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/13c02a4f-5183-4e40-b7da-4dab6f1971f9[/URL]
She's online all the time for years. I think she only meets older guys. PPM is probably something stupid like 300-500.[/QUOTE]I spoke with her a while back, but once I saw her private pics, I declined to move forward. She's definitely down to fuck just a little too big for my tastes.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6470195]I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.[/QUOTE]It's so much cheaper to fly to Mexico to bang street hooker lmao. I don't know about the others, but sugaring isn't just about pussy. If it's not for you then get a girl from the street that has track marks in her neck and hands, who has a pimp she's sharing locations with. It's not up to me to lowball a woman that is worth 3-400 ppm (my cap) or a monthly allowance of 15-1600. I've had a few great arrangements with amazing ladies and helped them pay their rent, save for school etc. I used to trick from backpage, STG etc but I got tired of junkies and all their bullshit. Got tired of trafficked girls working at AMPs and the morality of that mess. I'd rather spend my time with a submissive 23 year old that I can take to dinner and spend hours with afterwards because she loves it (it's a fetish to be taken care of for many of these girls). Good luck in Oaxaca homie. I have a hot girl in an Uber right now for a coffee meet and greet. Thanks for helping me kill time.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6470195]I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.[/QUOTE]Don't really participate in the sugar world too much anymore, but have paid 400-500 on sbs before.
Would never pay that much unless they actually are attractive, bare minimum 8/10.
It is a ton of work to find good options, but if you find a 25 year old 9/10 who doesn't cause drama, is (relatively) safe to go BBFS compared to a high volume provider, and can host in a nice apartment of their own for a few hours, I think 100% that is worth it over an AMP or travelling all the way to mexico. On a per hour basis, its really not any more expensive than an apartment AMP option, and the sb would be significantly younger and more attractive than the providers at an apartment AMP (lets be honest, none of them are under 30, and even the most attractive providers are AT ABSOLUTE BEST a 8/10, most are 6 or 7).
There are 100% times when I've regretted spending 160 on a regular amp, because i could have easily pulled someone more attractive at a bar for free. Lower dollar value doesn't matter to me that much if it ends up in me getting someone I shouldn't have need to pay a penny for, is how I feel.
[QUOTE=DudeOfDelco;6470526]I spoke with her a while back, but once I saw her private pics, I declined to move forward. She's definitely down to fuck just a little too big for my tastes.[/QUOTE]But them titties tho.
LOL yeah I've messaged her a lot of times but she never responds. I think she's one of the girls on seeking that just does not meet up with anyone. Just sits on the site for attention.
[QUOTE=EpicSD;6470549]It's so much cheaper to fly to Mexico to bang street hooker lmao. I don't know about the others, but sugaring isn't just about pussy. If it's not for you then get a girl from the street that has track marks in her neck and hands, who has a pimp she's sharing locations with. It's not up to me to lowball a woman that is worth 3-400 ppm (my cap) or a monthly allowance of 15-1600. I've had a few great arrangements with amazing ladies and helped them pay their rent, save for school etc. I used to trick from backpage, STG etc but I got tired of junkies and all their bullshit. Got tired of trafficked girls working at AMPs and the morality of that mess. I'd rather spend my time with a submissive 23 year old that I can take to dinner and spend hours with afterwards because she loves it (it's a fetish to be taken care of for many of these girls). Good luck in Oaxaca homie. I have a hot girl in an Uber right now for a coffee meet and greet. Thanks for helping me kill time.[/QUOTE]Lols. Ya I guess if you're comfortable with that price point sure. I was just looking at it from a pure economical and objective standpoint. Of course there will always some guys that will see the 300-400 spent as being well worth it for what they're getting, even if on paper the "tangible value" they're getting versus what is being paid isn't all that great.
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6470650]Don't really participate in the sugar world too much anymore, but have paid 400-500 on sbs before.
Would never pay that much unless they actually are attractive, bare minimum 8/10.
It is a ton of work to find good options, but if you find a 25 year old 9/10 who doesn't cause drama, is (relatively) safe to go BBFS compared to a high volume provider, and can host in a nice apartment of their own for a few hours, I think 100% that is worth it over an AMP or travelling all the way to mexico. On a per hour basis, its really not any more expensive than an apartment AMP option, and the sb would be significantly younger and more attractive than the providers at an apartment AMP (lets be honest, none of them are under 30, and even the most attractive providers are AT ABSOLUTE BEST a 8/10, most are 6 or 7).
There are 100% times when I've regretted spending 160 on a regular amp, because i could have easily pulled someone more attractive at a bar for free. Lower dollar value doesn't matter to me that much if it ends up in me getting someone I shouldn't have need to pay a penny for, is how I feel.[/QUOTE]Eh, 400-500 is too much for my blood, even if they were an 8/10. I just can't justify it. Mexico there are 10/10 porn star looking women for 100 USD. Can't square that in my mind, to be paying 400-500 USD for a USA sugar baby.
I guess the scenario you're describing with a 25 year old 9/10 that causes no drama and can host AND is consistent, the most I would do is like 300 ppm. It's hard to make that call though because at the end of the day what are you really paying for? If it's just sex, you're putting down 300 to get 1 nut off, maybe 2. If it's because you genuinely want to support these girls (I have my own personal reasons why I think this isn't a good idea), and get laid as well, then yeah I could see the 300 ppm making sense.
Also let's be honest, very few here are pulling attractive girls at a bar for free LOL. Let's not be delusional, it's just not happening these days.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6470195]I personally wouldn't do more than 200 tbh.
Most of these girls look either a) busted or b) too average for anything more to be worth it.
I see some of why'all are spending 300,400, and 500 though LOL. That's wild. Why do why'all do that? Would rather just go to mexico, do AMPs, or something else.
Can't imagine giving any of these girls 300. Sex shouldn't cost that much LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm happy to see some lively debate and some great reporting over the last couple of weeks.
When it comes to SB it cost what it cost and really depends on what you are looking for, but a good SB can save you a lot of time and aggravation.
Is anyone else getting a pop up on Seeking saying a verification email has been sent to them? I got one over a month ago and since then cannot log in. After like a dozen back and forth with seeking support they say oh your email is no good.
Huh? Same email that I was going back and forth with the support people. So here I am over a month later. Go to log in and still the same pop up. Clear cache and history and everything. I have checked spam and Junk folders. Nothing. Never can get this supposed verification code.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/94eee505-9cee-4147-bb6b-4c57b14f28c0[/URL]
Super cute with a nice body. Has anyone talked with her or met her? Thinking about getting with her.
This guy wants money upfront. Scammer. Next.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5890f9b4-5f74-4494-ba74-69f80fc2266b[/URL]
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6470945]I was just looking at it from a pure economical and objective standpoint. [/QUOTE]But your point doesn't make sense from any economical or objective standpoint.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6470945] Eh, 400-500 is too much for my blood, even if they were an 8/10. I just can't justify it. Mexico there are 10/10 porn star looking women for 100 USD. Can't square that in my mind, to be paying 400-500 USD for a USA sugar baby.[/QUOTE]Who cares what sex costs in Mexico? Even if your premise is correct and you can fuck an equivalent girl in Mexico for 100 when it costs 400-500 here, we aren't in Mexico. Would the sex be cheaper in Mexico? Yes, so would the food and rent and everything else but, again, we aren't in Mexico so what does this have to do with us?
IDK how often you fuck, but I fuck SBs 2 times a week, maybe more. I can't exactly fly to Mexico twice a week, and even if I could it certainly wouldn't be cheaper.
Seems genuine. Would like to meet weekly. Can meet on weekdays after 200 pm. She's just too thicc for my tastes. Best of luck with her gents.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8f5ab9a9-6bc3-4a53-b8ce-ab85c6e0bab2[/URL]
[QUOTE=SdPhilly;6472609]But your point doesn't make sense from any economical or objective standpoint.
Who cares what sex costs in Mexico? Even if your premise is correct and you can fuck an equivalent girl in Mexico for 100 when it costs 400-500 here, we aren't in Mexico. Would the sex be cheaper in Mexico? Yes, so would the food and rent and everything else but, again, we aren't in Mexico so what does this have to do with us?
IDK how often you fuck, but I fuck SBs 2 times a week, maybe more. I can't exactly fly to Mexico twice a week, and even if I could it certainly wouldn't be cheaper.[/QUOTE]For 300 PPM it's cheaper to do sugar babies in the US. Anything above 300-350 PPM and it's not worth it because going to Mexico or Canada would be cheaper.
If you live in the north east, Montreal Canada is 1-3 hours away by plane. Plane ticket to get there is $650 round trip. Hotel probably $100 a night. Stay there for 2 nights and bang 2 girls per night. You can get escorts in Montreal for $200-220 CAD for 1 hour which is about $150-170 USD. Lots of escort agencies and they have hot girls available, here is one: [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/[/URL].
4 girls will cost you around $600 USD, flight $650, hotel $200. Total $1450 spent, over 4 girls that's $362 per girl. Still cheaper than $400 PPM. You could argue that paying $350 PPM in the USA is worth it. But the reality is that guys paying 500,600, or 800 PPM for sugar babies in the USA are not really making wise financial decisions if all they are looking for is sex. If on the other hand, they are paying for the experience of going on dates and they want to support the girls financially then yeah 500-800 PPM makes sense. But if it's mainly for sexual access then it doesn't make sense.
There's the time investment of traveling to these places which is a downside, long plane rides, getting to the airport, etc. But you should also factor in the amount of messaging and grinding that is required to sift through seeking to find a sugar baby that will actually meet. There's lots of flakes, platonics, unresponsive girls, ridiculously high PPM demands, etc. So really it's up to the individual what they believe is the best use of their time.
I will say that 5-6 years ago I've noticed that it was a lot easier to meet and bang girls on seeking. Hell, I started off on the site back then and I didn't pay the girls at all. I would just bang them for free LOL. But times have changed A LOT since then. It's getting much harder. Seeking rebranded it's site away from being for sugar dadies. SESTA / FOSTA law came out and crushed back page, etc. The united states is clearly strengthening their grip on prostitution and I don't see that changing soon. Whether someone wants to continue grinding on seeking or decide to travel to different countries is a personal decision. They could even do both if they have the time for it. It really depends on the guy how they want to handle this environment.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6473117]For 300 PPM it's cheaper to do sugar babies in the US. Anything above 300-350 PPM and it's not worth it because going to Mexico or Canada would be cheaper.
If you live in the north east, Montreal Canada is 1-3 hours away by plane. Plane ticket to get there is $650 round trip. Hotel probably $100 a night. Stay there for 2 nights and bang 2 girls per night. You can get escorts in Montreal for $200-220 CAD for 1 hour which is about $150-170 USD. Lots of escort agencies and they have hot girls available, here is one: [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/[/URL].
4 girls will cost you around $600 USD, flight $650, hotel $200. Total $1450 spent, over 4 girls that's $362 per girl. Still cheaper than $400 PPM. You could argue that paying $350 PPM in the USA is worth it. But the reality is that guys paying 500,600, or 800 PPM for sugar babies in the USA are not really making wise financial decisions if all they are looking for is sex. If on the other hand, they are paying for the experience of going on dates and they want to support the girls financially then yeah 500-800 PPM makes sense. But if it's mainly for sexual access then it doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]It's pretty obvious that sugaring is not for you. You can't wrap your head around it. You have all your points and arguments but what it comes down to is times have changed, you had your glory days but they're gone. I make 6 figures between my sources of income, I don't want a vanilla relationship so I do this instead. It's fun for all and actually for the most part it's a healthy practice for the girls. I don't personally approach it as tricking but as mutual spoiling. Don't get me wrong- hot sex is an important part, but the approach I have and my pickiness in choosing makes it about mutual spoiling as opposed to transactional. I personally avoid the hookers that are on the site. Godspeed my friend.
[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6473117]For 300 PPM it's cheaper to do sugar babies in the US. Anything above 300-350 PPM and it's not worth it because going to Mexico or Canada would be cheaper.
If you live in the north east, Montreal Canada is 1-3 hours away by plane. Plane ticket to get there is $650 round trip. Hotel probably $100 a night. Stay there for 2 nights and bang 2 girls per night. You can get escorts in Montreal for $200-220 CAD for 1 hour which is about $150-170 USD. Lots of escort agencies and they have hot girls available, here is one: [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/[/URL].
4 girls will cost you around $600 USD, flight $650, hotel $200. Total $1450 spent, over 4 girls that's $362 per girl. Still cheaper than $400 PPM. You could argue that paying $350 PPM in the USA is worth it. But the reality is that guys paying 500,600, or 800 PPM for sugar babies in the USA are not really making wise financial decisions if all they are looking for is sex. If on the other hand, they are paying for the experience of going on dates and they want to support the girls financially then yeah 500-800 PPM makes sense. But if it's mainly for sexual access then it doesn't make sense.
There's the time investment of traveling to these places which is a downside, long plane rides, getting to the airport, etc. But you should also factor in the amount of messaging and grinding that is required to sift through seeking to find a sugar baby that will actually meet. There's lots of flakes, platonics, unresponsive girls, ridiculously high PPM demands, etc. So really it's up to the individual what they believe is the best use of their time.
I will say that 5-6 years ago I've noticed that it was a lot easier to meet and bang girls on seeking. Hell, I started off on the site back then and I didn't pay the girls at all. I would just bang them for free LOL. But times have changed A LOT since then. It's getting much harder. Seeking rebranded it's site away from being for sugar dadies. SESTA / FOSTA law came out and crushed back page, etc. The united states is clearly strengthening their grip on prostitution and I don't see that changing soon. Whether someone wants to continue grinding on seeking or decide to travel to different countries is a personal decision. They could even do both if they have the time for it. It really depends on the guy how they want to handle this environment.[/QUOTE]You're not factoring in the most important resource enough, which is time. You mentioned it briefly, but that's really the biggest issue.
I don't have 10-20 hours of travel time (and aggravation) to spend just so I can save, based on your calculations, maybe $50-150 off my PPM arrangement. Would rather just jump in my car and drive 15 minutes, spend as much or as little time as I want, and then be back to normal life. I don't want to have to plan a cross country trip or something. I want to be able to call up my girl, see if she's free tonight, and just be back in time for sleep.
You do end up spending time prospecting like you said, and that's the main reason I don't bother anymore with sugar, but once you have an arrangement setup, its far more convenient and nice. Less likely to get ripped off, more likely to have good service if you've built rapport, safer, etc.
And I personally would never go with the 800 or 1000ppm arrangements myself, but they have their place too. if someone is a literal supermodel, i can get everything i want out of it (e.g. bbfs gfe etc), we get along well, and its in my budget (it is not), then i'd definitely consider it.