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Dear Velvet,
As you know, I have seen you many, many times beginning a few years ago when you first became available. I must tell you and everyone else how great you are and how pleasing you are. I do want you to clarify "white stuff". I hope you are referring to the snow, but I want to be sure. LOL Best wishes, boatload.
[QUOTE=VelvetRayne;2390522]I love getting really WET!! I am so tired of the white stuff though all of it!
Come Step Under the.
Velvet Rayne.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mbgbe696;2390875]I have seen Velvet 2 times last year and I have always felt safe and confident about her protecting her clients, doing what ever to insure my safety. She is a great girl.[/QUOTE]Thank you and yes I would do whatever it takes to keep you safe!! Yes Boatload I mean the snow as I am not using again LOL! I love you guys xoxoxo ALL OVER!!
Velvet Rayne.
[QUOTE=Zeppelin5493;2390599]I read many good reviews about blake so I decided to give her a try. She was awful! Said 100 for the hour which was great. Asked for donation up front and again that's fine. Started BBBJ and after 2 minutes said I was too big to fuck her. Then said she wasn't goin to blow me for an hour and got out lotion to give a tug job. I can jack off at home for free. I will not repeat and wouldn't recommend her to anybody! If you have a tiny cock maybe she might provide what she says she will.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OlderButGood;2390806]Sorry you had a bad experience with her she is a petite woman you are lucky you got her or any of these girls $ for a HR that is mostly HHR rate.
I guess you need one of those Bigger Booty type woman to take care of you. What is the old saying. Bigger isn't always better sometimes it pays just to be the average guy you can get more. Well better luck next time.
Be safe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Countryboy72;2391268]Ok so if he is that big, there are other options, she could just ride it on her pussy lips or make other arrangements, or say baby I can't fuck that but I will give you great head, but she says no to fuck, and then I am tired of blowing you, she gave him no service at all, other chicks who charge $ for 1/2 hour actually deliver for that half hour. Seems like Blake said I got the money I am just not into this today, how exactly did he get any value? He would get better on the street, or several USA gals down there, correct response to I can't blow you for an hour? I can't pay you for an hour. . I almost saw blake glad I hesitated.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kc148;2391393]Not sure you understand how your post reads. She is a tiny provider so she can decide if gives CFS or BJ and if she decides no, then she gets to keep the money? And also did you mean that it is okay for a provider to agree to a level of donation, and then we hobbyist should feel lucky and privileged that the provider agreed and if she changes her mind it is okay since we should already feel so lucky? Not sure what your view of the hobby is, but for most of us such statements are absurd. I hope you never get to experience what he did cause you would be very unhappy.
KC.[/QUOTE]I have moved this to The Octagon so that it doesn't clutter up the review thread. I am calling BS on OlderButGood. It did not surprise me when he immediately jumped in on a negative review of Blake. If you review his posting history most of them are about Blake. His reviews of her often begin with how he "hasn't seen his girl Blake in a few weeks" yet if we believe all of his reviews of her they were together on 3/2, 2/21,2/17,2/6, and 2/3.
You will also find some Blue Ink from A2 in this post made by OBG:
[QUOTE=OlderButGood;2338868]Well I meet this chick Blake the other night after reading some reviews wasn't sure I wanted to but what the hell she was somewhat close so I gave her a whirl The place was ok not to much of a problem to find looks like she shares it with someone but no issues there. Room was Ok little bit of cigarette smell but hey I wasn't living there. She has a great ass and legs I can say that not to much of tits. Started out with a great BBBJ she is good at that I must say. She let me DATY a little. Then we did some doggie, then we got into some mish while I bent her legs back over her head and came to a big explosion. I did ask if she BBCIM and she said she does might have to try that one day with her. Overall not to bad of a chick here. May have to repeat the roses where not over priced like some of the other ones and ripe you off. If this chick had a boob job she be pretty good looking I think cause the rest of the body is tight.
[blue]I don't know why you put this in the Octagon, and I don't know why you created a new user name to post it. I merged this name with your other one so Bonnerman is now part of OlderButGood.
Don't do this anymore because it's a waste of my time.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Considering the posting history and use of an alias there is really nothing credible nor worthwhile in what OBG has to say. In my opinion, it is likely Blake the Flake herself posting via this handle. If not Blake it might be her BF, pimp, drug boy, or whomever else has a vested interest in her maintaining her cash flow.
[QUOTE=Ceenote;2391575]I have moved this to The Octagon so that it doesn't clutter up the review thread. I am calling BS on OlderButGood. It did not surprise me when he immediately jumped in on a negative review of Blake. If you review his posting history most of them are about Blake. His reviews of her often begin with how he "hasn't seen his girl Blake in a few weeks" yet if we believe all of his reviews of her they were together on 3/2, 2/21,2/17,2/6, and 2/3.
You will also find some Blue Ink from A2 in this post made by OBG:
Considering the posting history and use of an alias there is really nothing credible nor worthwhile in what OBG has to say. In my opinion, it is likely Blake the Flake herself posting via this handle. If not Blake it might be her BF, pimp, drug boy, or whomever else has a vested interest in her maintaining her cash flow.[/QUOTE]Came to same conclusion a bit ago based on same review of posts. It is a good effort though, with some reviews other than Blake and the reviews do sound more genuine than typical provder / provider proxy fake reviews.
[QUOTE=VelvetRayne;2391057]Thank you and yes I would do whatever it takes to keep you safe!! Yes Boatload I mean the snow as I am not using again LOL! I love you guys xoxoxo ALL OVER!!
Velvet Rayne.[/QUOTE]I totally trust miss Velvet she has never given me the slightest reason be be nervous. Let's put the baseless rumors to bed, and miss Velvet to bed also.
Gary.
My concern was "white" cum!
[QUOTE=VelvetRayne;2391057]Thank you and yes I would do whatever it takes to keep you safe!! Yes Boatload I mean the snow as I am not using again LOL! I love you guys xoxoxo ALL OVER!!
Velvet Rayne.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VelvetRayne;2391057]Thank you and yes I would do whatever it takes to keep you safe!! Yes Boatload I mean the snow as I am not using again LOL! I love you guys xoxoxo ALL OVER!!
Velvet Rayne.[/QUOTE]Velvet Rayne is:
Sexy, honest, real, safe, attentive, consistent, and most of all, a friend. I value her. You will too.
[QUOTE=Boatload;2391808]My concern was "white" cum![/QUOTE]I love that "white" stuff. Can you bring me some please?
Velvet.
We are all looking for good dreams. However, unfortunately for some, LEO has intervened to turn a dream into a nightmare. I, and I think most of the community, would be very interested in hearing how this occurred. Because presumably everyone has taken precautions. How did it happen? How were you fooled? The more details the better so that we all might be better educated and informed.
[QUOTE=Boatload;2391808]My concern was "white" cum![/QUOTE]We get it.
[QUOTE=BillBut52;2391715]Came to same conclusion a bit ago based on same review of posts. It is a good effort though, with some reviews other than Blake and the reviews do sound more genuine than typical provder / provider proxy fake reviews.[/QUOTE]Believe what you think you know about me gentleman I am not a pimp or drug dealer or BF I just happen to like what Blake provides to me. If you have read all my reviews you know I have been scammed before and I haven't written much about others I have been with but if you want to know all my business PM me. Blake is no different than some of the others I have meet over the years If I had known about this site I would have commented on them but there is enough on those I have seen. Blake has been around for a while a lot of you have probably had her and some still do we all have a favorite one. It just amazes me how this last guy sees her doesn't complain to her at all but then comes here to slams her and out of the dark people want to blame Blake I have sent some of you the whole story and you changed your view a little I can't post the real story here. If you want to know get in touch. If you want to call me out and think I am a fake well then maybe we all are fake here making up crap. We only hear one side here of a story HELL I can make up all kinds and have you believing in them. So don't call me out when you don't know me at all. I am a straight shooter. Like it or leave it.
Can't say how much I enjoy USAsg. It's sooo much more unencumbered than other sites.
I'm probably the only one that has difficulty, but some sites require so much BS just to get a review posted that after about the third refusal I'm ready to say screw it. I like having multiple resources, but some sites are just too out of control expecting you to write war and peace just to get a review approved. BTW, certain phrases like, "In my dream... " are not allowed. Meanwhile, you go back and read other 'approved' reviews and see they were not held to the same standard. What a bunch of crapola. Oh well, their loss. I'll focus my attention elsewhere if this double standard keeps up.
Piece out (yes, pun intended).
TGM.
[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2394357]I was inquiring about Beautiful Bella who has morphed into Star. Apparently the pics are very old. No longer the looker she once was. A shame. And has a lurking bf but haven't personally confirmed this. Anyone have an update on this gal?
[URL]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-star-is-available-now/21585195[/URL]
Hat tip to CloudStrife7.[/QUOTE]With all due respect. You were inquiring that one you listed, but linked to someone asking about "SEXY BELLA" . Stop the madness. Stop confusing people. Either this is intentional or you have to do homework. Either one is not good. Not diercted at you. But I think there are women here parading as men. Not good. Check those IP address A2 and delete.
[URL]http://www.**************.com/companions/sexy-bella-cincinnati-white-female[/URL]
Sorry about the link, but it is getting old. Its on aNotheR site.
NONE. I'll repeat, NONE of the Bella's you guys talk about even touch. Wait for it. " SEXY BELLA" there is no "real" confusion if you take the time. SEXY BELLA, does not need to run any ads. Many of you will never get to meet her. Some may. She is sort of like Sara Tongue Twister in that respect. SB is a gem in all respects. That's short for. Wait for it. SEXY BELLA.
[QUOTE=VelvetRayne;2388944]I all ready addressed the issue in question in PM but, I will say this I have been around for 5 years on and off and I can honestly say I would never put any member (provider / gentlemen) on this forum at risk!
Please don't believe everything you read or hear!! I am sure the gentlemen that have seen me will tell you that they are free and never have been or scared of being in trouble when they have seen me. Thank you though for being open and honest about the rumors going around also for making me aware of them. I really do appreciate this!! For anyone that wants to see me and write a review that you seen me. Call me and I will make this happen in a positive way!! Or read my ad later and you will see what I am talking about.
Come Step Under the.
Velvet Rayne.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response.
I will have to say after receiving numerous PMs on the subject, that I'm in the same place I started: I don't know what's true here. Since I've never been and don't plan to become a customer, it's not personally relevant to me.
Echoing 3 Minute Passion, it would be interesting to hear from people who actually had been stung by LEO, which can be done pretty anonymously here, exactly how it went down for the betterment of everyone involved.
All of this confirms my doubts about the usefulness of various reference systems, which I suspect may do as much harm as good by imparting a false sense of security while at the same time allowing for the accumulation of data that can be helpful to LEO.
Also, as I've mentioned before, it would probably be better to know about the providers who got popped but not prosecuted than the ones who just got popped, because the ones who never get charges filed are the ones most likely working with LEO. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to know that.
Just because a provider worked with LEO once doesn't mean it continues. I suspect there's a contractual window involved, after which the snitch's debt is erased. As a matter of policy, though, I tend to stay away from any provider strongly and reasonably suspected (based on corroborating evidence and not rumor alone) of working with LEO, simply on principle, because too many have gotten popped and didn't snitch.
[QUOTE=DarkNet;2394391]With all due respect. You were inquiring that one you listed, but linked to someone asking about "SEXY BELLA" . Stop the madness. Stop confusing people. Either this is intentional or you have to do homework. Either one is not good. Not diercted at you. But I think there are women here parading as men. Not good. Check those IP address A2 and delete.
[URL]http://www.**************.com/companions/sexy-bella-cincinnati-white-female[/URL]
Sorry about the link, but it is getting old. Its on aNotheR site.
NONE. I'll repeat, NONE of the Bella's you guys talk about even touch. Wait for it. " SEXY BELLA" there is no "real" confusion if you take the time. SEXY BELLA, does not need to run any ads. Many of you will never get to meet her. Some may. She is sort of like Sara Tongue Twister in that respect. SB is a gem in all respects. That's short for. Wait for it. SEXY BELLA.[/QUOTE]There is definitely something in the water up there. :D
[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2392224]We are all looking for good dreams. However, unfortunately for some, LEO has intervened to turn a dream into a nightmare. I, and I think most of the community, would be very interested in hearing how this occurred. Because presumably everyone has taken precautions. How did it happen? How were you fooled? The more details the better so that we all might be better educated and informed.[/QUOTE]I read each thread and I am a little lost on who, when, anyone here had a dream intervened with a nightmare. I know there have been several stings in the area and hopefully no one here was involved. Are you getting this info through PM? I am curious because if I or anyone else needs to be extra cautious! Thanks T69.
[QUOTE=PussyLuver57;2392049]Velvet Rayne is:
Sexy, honest, real, safe, attentive, consistent, and most of all, a friend. I value her. You will too.[/QUOTE]I value you too. I love spending time with you. You make me feel so great about myself. I treat you like you treat me.
Velvet Rayne.
I can't wait for another 9" Italian BMT.
[QUOTE=Lugnutz;2394433]All of this confirms my doubts about the usefulness of various reference systems, which I suspect may do as much harm as good by imparting a false sense of security while at the same time allowing for the accumulation of data that can be helpful to LEO.
[/QUOTE]There is no question we all can be lulled into a false sense of security. Think about it. I tell a provider they can check my posts. I give her my handle. She does this and thinks things are cool. The only problem is, of course, any of us can give any handle we want.
On the other hand, yes, many of these girls are reviewed but if they get compromised by LEO anything can happen. The greater risk lies with the providers, though, because the likelihood of one working with LEO is far less likely than LEO using someone else's handle. In fact, I know of no monger who has been nailed by a snitch. Not one, despite the accusations. If a provider had done this we all would know about it.
Let's face it, in the end, nothing is guaranteed. We all need to be vigilant and cautious. This is why I would like to hear how a fellow monger may have had a nightmare. It would be informative for us all.
[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2392224]We are all looking for good dreams. However, unfortunately for some, LEO has intervened to turn a dream into a nightmare. I, and I think most of the community, would be very interested in hearing how this occurred. Because presumably everyone has taken precautions. How did it happen? How were you fooled? The more details the better so that we all might be better educated and informed.[/QUOTE]Don't go to a room located on the ground floor of a hotel at the end of a hallway by an exit door. That location allows LE to take the arrestees out quickly without drawing attention. A vehicle sufficient for a paddy wagon will be in the lot by the door. It's a good idea to drive around the hotel ahead of time and note the type vehicles parked near the outside doors. Just one lap around. Everything is on tape. This by no means indicates a girl telling us to come to the 6th floor is therefore safe.
I looked at a couple of the complaints from the sting in Cincinnati that was reported a couple of weeks ago. This is likely not a great source of information, but it was clear from the complaints that fake ads were posted. Also, the each complaints gives some general description about how the monger verbally offered money in exchange for particular acts. Whether or not the complaints are truthful is up for debate.
[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2395152]There is no question we all can be lulled into a false sense of security. Think about it. I tell a provider they can check my posts. I give her my handle. She does this and thinks things are cool. The only problem is, of course, any of us can give any handle we want.
On the other hand, yes, many of these girls are reviewed but if they get compromised by LEO anything can happen. The greater risk lies with the providers, though, because the likelihood of one working with LEO is far less likely than LEO using someone else's handle. In fact, I know of no monger who has been nailed by a snitch. Not one, despite the accusations. If a provider had done this we all would know about it.
Let's face it, in the end, nothing is guaranteed. We all need to be vigilant and cautious. This is why I would like to hear how a fellow monger may have had a nightmare. It would be informative for us all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Toro222;2395259]I looked at a couple of the complaints from the sting in Cincinnati that was reported a couple of weeks ago. This is likely not a great source of information, but it was clear from the complaints that fake ads were posted. Also, the each complaints gives some general description about how the monger verbally offered money in exchange for particular acts. Whether or not the complaints are truthful is up for debate.[/QUOTE]If I am meeting a provider for the first time, who has not been reviewed or minimally so, I normally approach it as though I am interested in a massage only. That way if she does not take off her clothes or if I am getting strange vibes, I can proceed on that basis and not repeat.
Personally, I think it would be wise if all providers listed themselves under Body Rubs rather than Escorts. This gives them two advantages. One, if they really don't want to have sex with a monger they can pass and just give the massage, as agreed upon. Two, they can also size up the situation. I understand that many are afraid they will lose business if they don't make it perfectly clear that they provide full service but I don't believe that would be the case.
On a first time meeting I also always begin with one number, to get info, rates, etc. and then set up the meeting on a second number so nothing can be traced back to the earlier discussion about rates and activities. That way there is no linkage to the earlier, "incriminating" discussion.
A friend of mine believes with LEO it wouldn't matter. If you are there to meet a provider who has listed herself as full service, even if you only discuss massage, they will bust you. I'm not sure about the legality of this but I suppose LEO can do pretty much whatever it wants. After all, it is your word against theirs and even if you do beat the rap in court, the damage has been done on the domestic and / or work scene. So, LEO wins either way.
I just wish the providers would shift their listings on sites like BackPage to Body Rubs. It sure would make it safer for all involved. Not perfect, but better.
Thanks to Toro and Golf Cart for their input.
It boggles my mind how many of the ladies think you have all this time in the world and will take off driving to some general location only to wait for them to get around to responding with an exact location (if they respond at all - Been there too).
For you ladies that are just in this for your next fix, stop reading NOW!
For you ladies that are in this to build a book of repeat business and really make serious dough, continue reading this extremely helpful insight.
First off, my time can be EXTREMELY tight. So, as a result, I have to plan things out in say 15-30 minute increments. For example, my drive time is usually 30 minutes (one way). For the round trip I've already burnt one hour and have not even gotten my pee-pee wet.
Not knowing for sure what traffic situations may eat into my fun time, I may add another 15 to 30 minutes. Now I'm up to 1.5 hours, and again have not even gotten to the fun yet.
Given how much window of time I can afford for that day or particular part of that day, I may have 30 to 60 minutes available for the actual fun part. At this point, I'm up to 2.5 hours that I have to make sure is planned out for my 30-60 minutes of fun.
Now, throw on top of this the amount of time you (the provider) may take to respond when giving the location. If you respond 20 minutes later when asked for location, then you've just ate into the time window. Soooo, If I have 30 minutes to play, generally speaking, I NOW HAVE 10.
Not sure I am typical, but I need a 30 minute lead time in order to know exactly where I'm going. For example, the address (not necessarily the room no.) needs to be given when asked for. In other words, I am going to ask for this info just about 30 minutes prior to getting in my car and driving. If you (the provder) are not prompt with this (like within 5 minutes, NOT 20 minutes), then don't be surprised (as most seem to be) when I say I cannot make it.
Morale of the story, please be prompt when location is requested.
Rant out.
TGM.
[QUOTE=TheGenteelMan;2395930]It boggles my mind how many of the ladies think you have all this time in the world and will take off driving to some general location only to wait for them to get around to responding with an exact location (if they respond at all - Been there too).
For you ladies that are just in this for your next fix, stop reading NOW!
For you ladies that are in this to build a book of repeat business and really make serious dough, continue reading this extremely helpful insight.
First off, my time can be EXTREMELY tight. So, as a result, I have to plan things out in say 15-30 minute increments. For example, my drive time is usually 30 minutes (one way). For the round trip I've already burnt one hour and have not even gotten my pee-pee wet.
Not knowing for sure what traffic situations may eat into my fun time, I may add another 15 to 30 minutes. Now I'm up to 1.5 hours, and again have not even gotten to the fun yet.
Given how much window of time I can afford for that day or particular part of that day, I may have 30 to 60 minutes available for the actual fun part. At this point, I'm up to 2.5 hours that I have to make sure is planned out for my 30-60 minutes of fun.
Now, throw on top of this the amount of time you (the provider) may take to respond when giving the location. If you respond 20 minutes later when asked for location, then you've just ate into the time window. Soooo, If I have 30 minutes to play, generally speaking, I NOW HAVE 10.
Not sure I am typical, but I need a 30 minute lead time in order to know exactly where I'm going. For example, the address (not necessarily the room no.) needs to be given when asked for. In other words, I am going to ask for this info just about 30 minutes prior to getting in my car and driving. If you (the provder) are not prompt with this (like within 5 minutes, NOT 20 minutes), then don't be surprised (as most seem to be) when I say I cannot make it.
Morale of the story, please be prompt when location is requested.
Rant out.
TGM.[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to pick a fight, and you for sure bring a lot of value to the board with your information and it's much appreciated. Having said all that nice shit, let me offer this:
Everyone doesn't manage their schedule in 15 minute increments or doesn't feel the same way you do. No one likes to be kept waiting, but really? You set up appointments for "fucking" or whatever with a 30 minute buffer? Jesus. Just beat off.
Shit happens. I hate being left sitting on my hands too, but I also plan my shit around it so I can weather a delay or two without it fucking up my whole day.
I think trying to do this shit as a snack at lunchtime and then try to run back for a meeting is doomed to failure. Then getting upset that these girls that don't see their calendar with the same business acumen that you do will just cause you to be upset. Just sayin.
[QUOTE=TheGenteelMan;2395930]Morale of the story, please be prompt when location is requested.
Rant out.
TGM.[/QUOTE]Five minutes, no more. I don't understand guys that coddle providers. If she's not in business to make my experience easy and stress free then I'm gone. It's a business, run it like one.
Lucky for me though the next piece of punanni is usually just around the corner.
A2.
[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2396269]I'm not trying to pick a fight, and you for sure bring a lot of value to the board with your information and it's much appreciated. Having said all that nice shit, let me offer this:
Everyone doesn't manage their schedule in 15 minute increments or doesn't feel the same way you do. No one likes to be kept waiting, but really? You set up appointments for "fucking" or whatever with a 30 minute buffer? Jesus. Just beat off.
Shit happens. I hate being left sitting on my hands too, but I also plan my shit around it so I can weather a delay or two without it fucking up my whole day.
I think trying to do this shit as a snack at lunchtime and then try to run back for a meeting is doomed to failure. Then getting upset that these girls that don't see their calendar with the same business acumen that you do will just cause you to be upset. Just sayin.[/QUOTE]You are still reeling from the Kool-aid of the non-mongering world when it comes to punani. This is Burger King, and you can have it your way. This is a business and if Jiffy Lube isn't open when I need it open, I will get my lube job somewhere else and never have to go back to Jiffy Lube again. Why? Because he who has the cash, makes the rules.
The real world it's the person with the vagina that makes the rules. In mongering, Benjamin Franklin and his friend you. Grant does the scheduling for me. If I want it in a 15 minute window, I will. If I don't, then they'll have to hustle and bustle to get rent money. From a sure thing, they just lost on the cash. I will still have my $$ and I will treat myself to another provider, or a nice steak, or some new vinyl for the turntable I bought from the last time I got stood up.
He who has the cash does not have to tolerate shitty service.
[QUOTE=TheGenteelMan;2395930]
If you (the provder) are not prompt with this (like within 5 minutes, NOT 20 minutes), then don't be surprised (as most seem to be) when I say I cannot make it.
[/QUOTE]Absolutely share these sentiments. Can't tell you the number of times I have told a provider I will see her in 30 minutes. Text along the way, then text them "I'm here" only to get a response of "I need to pee. Give me a minute" which often times turns into 10. No excuse for this. I rarely go back to someone who has such little appreciation for time.
[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2395807]If I am meeting a provider for the first time, who has not been reviewed or minimally so, I normally approach it as though I am interested in a massage only. That way if she does not take off her clothes or if I am getting strange vibes, I can proceed on that basis and not repeat.
Personally, I think it would be wise if all providers listed themselves under Body Rubs rather than Escorts. This gives them two advantages. One, if they really don't want to have sex with a monger they can pass and just give the massage, as agreed upon. Two, they can also size up the situation. I understand that many are afraid they will lose business if they don't make it perfectly clear that they provide full service but I don't believe that would be the case.
On a first time meeting I also always begin with one number, to get info, rates, etc. and then set up the meeting on a second number so nothing can be traced back to the earlier discussion about rates and activities. That way there is no linkage to the earlier, "incriminating" discussion.
A friend of mine believes with LEO it wouldn't matter. If you are there to meet a provider who has listed herself as full service, even if you only discuss massage, they will bust you. I'm not sure about the legality of this but I suppose LEO can do pretty much whatever it wants. After all, it is your word against theirs and even if you do beat the rap in court, the damage has been done on the domestic and / or work scene. So, LEO wins either way.
I just wish the providers would shift their listings on sites like BackPage to Body Rubs. It sure would make it safer for all involved. Not perfect, but better.
Thanks to Toro and Golf Cart for their input.[/QUOTE]Until they get smacked with "Providing a massage without a license. " Yes, it's a real crime in both Ohio and Kentucky. Yes, I'll wait while you google it and try to prove me wrong.
Ohio: Massage therapy is defined loosely and includes the terms "manipulation of soft tissue through the systematic external application of massage techniques" -- and is considered a subset of practicing medicine and requires a license through the state. Basically, it's like being a doctor without a license and is a misdemeanor.
Kentucky: For starters, you couldn't even advertise that you're providing massage therapy unless you're licensed: (No person or business entity is allowed to advertise "massage therapy" unless the massage is being performed by a licensed massage therapist" KRS 309.353 (3)) -- but yup. Same as Ohio, it's classified as practicing medicine without a license and is a class the felony (this can't be right. But, looks that way!
In short, if you're under the bullseye for the law, you're going to get fucked, no matter how you spin it. Unless you're willing to actually spend time with someone and talk to them about what you're looking for, and (here's the kicker) come back a second time. Yes, it's a little more cash and it doesn't give me the instant gratification of blowing my baby gravy on someone's face, but, I'm ultimately much safer while doing so. Cops aren't in it for the "long con," so, they'll try baiting you a few times. And get pissy with you when you don't play their game.
I know it's hard to do, but, don't talk about sex. No expectation-setting, no "I'm going to facefuck you so hard, when you blow your nose next week you'll still taste my cum" text messages, and nothing inappropriate (yes, I know, what's the fun in that!) until you come back the second time around. In short, that's why I love meeting new girls for coffee before I fuck them for the first time.
MM.
I see no reason for any of us to ***** about providers not being prompt in their responses. There will always be those guys that keep letting providers get away with it. I personally give a provider 10 minutes to respond before I start texting the next one. If they don't respond within 10 minutes, I move on to the next one. There will always be providers that could care less about service so I don't let it cramp my style.
I've had the worst, an I mean the WORST working day of my entire career, I just give up, where do I start, so I buy this house because the basement is laid out in a way the my clients can enter the basement door and the restroom is directly to your right, service room directly to the left, it's a back door basement so clients can pull around back an park in privacy right in front of the door.
First the snow, this is a already laid gravel path, however being vacant for months, grass grew into the gravel, then the snow came, slipping around getting back there, then. IT MELTED YESTERDAY.
It started with someone getting stuck on the side, which left him there STUCK for 20 minutes, which meant my NEXT client came running into him, so, my HUSBAND tried to assist in getting my first client OUT of the mud, my current client wanted me to leave my then stuck client and go start his massage, my stuck client told me to go ahead and he'd be fine, so I took my next client inside and began his massage, all the while hearing spinning tires outside my window.
After the massage we went out to find this client has spun his tires SOOOO DEEP, he was embedded into mud and gravel, then it started RAINING. So now my 2nd client is blocked in behind the first client, my SUV was perfectly capable of pulling out the first client however it was apparently a rental car and the stuck client wanted a professional tow truck to pull him out. So the 3 of us waited, and waited and waited.
Tow truck driver arrives, 21 yr old jerk who starts flirting with me in front of my husband and two clients! . Then the unthinkable happened, are you all ready?
The tow truck driver, instead of using his wench, asked the 2nd client who has a brand new 2014 mustang, can he try getting around the first client driving the car himself, personally I seen the twinkle in this kids eyes, he wanted to drive that mustang, I thought my client of 37 yrs old seen the kids look in his eyes too, HE DIDN'T, So he hands over the keys, this kid jumps in the mustang and PEELS OUT throwing mud and rocks all over all of us, my clients and I are covered in mud. My client got pissed I couldn't think of letting him get in his mustang covered in two inches of mud so I ran in my house and grabbed a sheet to cover his seats for him to sit on, he's mad at the tow truck driver and he drove off without paying the tow truck driver, I didn't blame him, now for the rental, this client has been at my home 3 hours now, I had to cancel my next client to prevent another run in, " he loved being cancelled by the way ". And finally the first and original client gets pulled out, it's now dark out. I woke up today, and the aftermath in my yard, it's awful, the beautiful new home was splattered with mud, from the peel out. And to beat it all, neither client was a personal client, both just plain old hot stone massage clients, no humor, no fun, no nothing. So I'm rethinking this pulling around back thing until this gross wet ground dries out, I'm taking a nice hot bath an I'm going to do things that most women would be embarrassed to mention, but you know what! I don't care! I want candles for shadows!! I want bubbles for skin to peek through, and I might get drunk too!! Door locked and ipad music playing an I might even turn down the ipad to MUTE an watch a fucking porno! I just want to die, this was the most embarrassing day of my entire life and I just need to get personal and relieve some serious stress. I'm so sorry to those two clients, I don't blame them if they never come back.
Just shoot me please!
[QUOTE=WorksAlot;2396537]I see no reason for any of us to ***** about providers not being prompt in their responses. There will always be those guys that keep letting providers get away with it. I personally give a provider 10 minutes to respond before I start texting the next one. If they don't respond within 10 minutes, I move on to the next one. There will always be providers that could care less about service so I don't let it cramp my style.[/QUOTE]My days book up usually the day before, I always try and save a spot or two during peek hours for my favorite regulars that might call an need same day service, the issue is, I personally don't touch or even look at my phone during my sessions, it's rude and that time is spent with my current client, I try to keep a minimum of 15 min between clients I need set least that to stock fresh towels and sheets, I bleach my table between clients and freshen up as well, re powder my makeup up, ect.
If I give my client the address, then confirm we are good, unless I call or text and say something is wrong, I can't tell that you texted because I'm in session, after my client leaves while re setting my service room I check my phone to see if anyone has called or texted, my sessions are 60 min, 90 min and 2 hrs, So if I'm in a two hour session, no one will hear from me for two hours. I know it's different for girls who work 30 min sessions but my minimum is 60 min. So the days I work unfortunately if you text at 1:55 pm an I just walked in a client at 1:50, you won't hear back from me until at least 3 pm an if I already have a 4:15 set up, I go into my next session and don't get a chance to answer back any NEW TEXT until I'm free. I know I get the cancelation reputation, an things really do happen, my clients I build relationships with, it's rude to cut them off and kick them out, most times if they run over time talking they offer to cover my next hour if I had a client they made me run late for, I don't try to cancel I promise, but if I let in a client after I ran 20 min behind, then the client after him will need put off 25 min, it's a messed up cycle, so instead of moving every single client up by 20-30 min, I'll just cancel the one I ran late for an keep the rest of the day in tact. I also recently had surgery on the 17th of February where I found out for over a year a had a problem that caused severe fatigue and hormone imbalances, but after that surgery I'm feeling great again and taking clients with minimal issues at all. Timing is always an issue, but even a doctors office allows a 15 min delay, I absolutely hate when I find out clients squeezed me in between two very tight times, massages are suppose to be relaxing, it's a massage first an foremost, it's impossible to enjoy yourself if your clock watching. That's for massage though, I don't know how the other services work. Just what happens with me LuvBug.
[QUOTE=WorksAlot;2396537]I see no reason for any of us to ***** about providers not being prompt in their responses. There will always be those guys that keep letting providers get away with it. I personally give a provider 10 minutes to respond before I start texting the next one. If they don't respond within 10 minutes, I move on to the next one. There will always be providers that could care less about service so I don't let it cramp my style.[/QUOTE]They use drugs or you see syringes or needle marks BACK CHANNEL the brothers and let the word spread DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM. If they have or had pimps or owners who scheduled for them then left the community and called their women ****** and A2 and USASG SHIT and didn't need them anymore don't use their people unless you can be sure those same people ARE NOT STILL HANDLING THEM FROM BEHIND. If they show up high drunk, if their place looks like a rat hole, or smells like sh*t, don't use them and out them Talk to the women on here who are good solid providers and ask them who the trash are they know and ask if they have pimps or runners who have cut down the community and the women on here in the past and are still working their girls privately This community is ONLY as good as the mongers want it to be an the ladies business practices make it. This is more than just about the money it is about doing for each other what we woud want any normal sane person to do in or out of this community. Know your clients and providers. JMO.
[QUOTE=MisforMaster;2396506]Until they get smacked with "Providing a massage without a license. " Yes, it's a real crime in both Ohio and Kentucky. Yes, I'll wait while you google it and try to prove me wrong.
Ohio: Massage therapy is defined loosely and includes the terms "manipulation of soft tissue through the systematic external application of massage techniques" -- and is considered a subset of practicing medicine and requires a license through the state. Basically, it's like being a doctor without a license and is a misdemeanor.
Kentucky: For starters, you couldn't even advertise that you're providing massage therapy unless you're licensed: (No person or business entity is allowed to advertise "massage therapy" unless the massage is being performed by a licensed massage therapist" KRS 309.353 (3)) -- but yup. Same as Ohio, it's classified as practicing medicine without a license and is a class the felony (this can't be right. But, looks that way!
In short, if you're under the bullseye for the law, you're going to get fucked, no matter how you spin it. Unless you're willing to actually spend time with someone and talk to them about what you're looking for, and (here's the kicker) come back a second time. Yes, it's a little more cash and it doesn't give me the instant gratification of blowing my baby gravy on someone's face, but, I'm ultimately much safer while doing so. Cops aren't in it for the "long con," so, they'll try baiting you a few times. And get pissy with you when you don't play their game.
I know it's hard to do, but, don't talk about sex. No expectation-setting, no "I'm going to facefuck you so hard, when you blow your nose next week you'll still taste my cum" text messages, and nothing inappropriate (yes, I know, what's the fun in that!) until you come back the second time around. In short, that's why I love meeting new girls for coffee before I fuck them for the first time.
MM.[/QUOTE]So, just to be clear, during your Kaffeeklatsch with a prospect, you discuss the quid pro quo and get all the detail you desire about services, but since no currency is exchanged for service, there is no infraction? Just trying to understand the logic and the advantage of the meet and greet. Also, have your ever discovered that you applied this approach to LEO or a provider who is assisting him and found it effective such that you were able to walk away unscathed?
Would be of interest to know also what the damage typically is for these encounters, excluding the coffee and Danish!
Totally agree on the massage front. It's a bad idea, for the provider. A soliciting charge is actually pretty hard to prove. Practicing massage without a license is easy (they really just need the ad, and your lack of license). I'm surprised actually that LEO doesn't make more of these busts, except that actually I think they'd prefer to get their cocks sucked before they make busts these days. If they were serious, they could pretty well bust every provider advertising body rubs in a day, and in the process probably tack on a wide variety of drug, instrument and paraphernalia charges.
Now, if you actually go to the trouble of getting a massage license, it's another story. Then again, if you've done that, you may not need to be an SP.
As I've said before, the "cop check" also provides no protection. The cops have shown they're willing, probably eager, to go all the way. I've also had providers ask me to send cock pics, as if a cop wouldn't do this. Why not? Assuming he's hinky about taking a photo of his own willie, I'm sure there are plenty of freely available photos out there he could send. Not that it's my practice to try Google Image Search on this, but my guess is you would have plenty to choose from.
[QUOTE=DNut;2396394]You are still reeling from the Kool-aid of the non-mongering world when it comes to punani. This is Burger King, and you can have it your way. This is a business and if Jiffy Lube isn't open when I need it open, I will get my lube job somewhere else and never have to go back to Jiffy Lube again. Why? Because he who has the cash, makes the rules.
The real world it's the person with the vagina that makes the rules. In mongering, Benjamin Franklin and his friend you. Grant does the scheduling for me. If I want it in a 15 minute window, I will. If I don't, then they'll have to hustle and bustle to get rent money. From a sure thing, they just lost on the cash. I will still have my $$ and I will treat myself to another provider, or a nice steak, or some new vinyl for the turntable I bought from the last time I got stood up.
He who has the cash does not have to tolerate shitty service.[/QUOTE]I think you might be correct sir. I will take that under advisement going forward.
[QUOTE=Tuffy12;2396596]So, just to be clear, during your Kaffeeklatsch with a prospect, you discuss the quid pro quo and get all the detail you desire about services, but since no currency is exchanged for service, there is no infraction? Just trying to understand the logic and the advantage of the meet and greet. Also, have your ever discovered that you applied this approach to LEO or a provider who is assisting him and found it effective such that you were able to walk away unscathed?
Would be of interest to know also what the damage typically is for these encounters, excluding the coffee and Danish![/QUOTE]You could end up with an attempted solicitation charge if they were so inclined, same as undercover meeting with a guy trying to hire a contract killer, or they could set up the meet after coffee and get you on everything. Can the cops lie in the meeting and discuss? Yes, would not necessarily be entrapment. (you were predisposed to do the crime).
In Indiana if a masseuse gives a massage / not body rub she / he can lose their license permanently Considering the number of hours required to get that license and the serious cost that is a heavy price. Indiana police will also now go to your boss and your house with your family present and outt you. Also in Indiana a client must be draped. NO PRIVATE PARTS OF EITHER PERSON MAY BE Touched, stimulated, or worked on. That is also a crime Those in the Ohio Ky area might see if that is also the case in their area. Might as well just go after the main course and forget about what ya call it. The big thing for me is getting rid of the drug addicts, the agencies that provide it if any do, and the ladies who use drugs especially the ones who use syringes or needles / and bags to inject it. Indiana has I think 47 cases of alleged HIV basically thanks to ladies who use needles to inject their drugs according to the health bureau down there. Check out your local rules regarding massage therapy requirements and body rubs. Even body rubs that stimulate touch or allow mutual rubbing sucking or other sexual activities of private areas is illegal no matter what they or you call it LOL.
[QUOTE=Countryboy72;2396828]You could end up with an attempted solicitation charge if they were so inclined, same as undercover meeting with a guy trying to hire a contract killer, or they could set up the meet after coffee and get you on everything. Can the cops lie in the meeting and discuss? Yes, would not necessarily be entrapment. (you were predisposed to do the crime).[/QUOTE]Exactly. Plus it should be understood that it won't be the cops you have to convince, it will be a judge if they press charges. Cops don't look for reasons not to arrest you. They'll do it and let District Atty and Judge sort it all out. Judges and juries don't generally admire clever arguments and let you off the hook.
If you are unfortunate enough to get pinched just stay silent and call your lawyer.
[QUOTE=Countryboy72;2396828]You could end up with an attempted solicitation charge if they were so inclined, same as undercover meeting with a guy trying to hire a contract killer, or they could set up the meet after coffee and get you on everything. Can the cops lie in the meeting and discuss? Yes, would not necessarily be entrapment. (you were predisposed to do the crime).[/QUOTE]When I go out for coffee or lunch I don't talk about anything. I am just getting a nice coffee or lunch with a friend. That is not illegal. I just want to get to know someone it is a blind date and if we go back and do something that is between two adults. That is why I will not talk about anything over the phone or in person. My prices and things are posted I should not have to talk about anything in person. Also I do not like payment up front and would prefer a card sealed or something like that just saying thank you.
Velvet Rayne.
[QUOTE=MisforMaster;2396506]In short, if you're under the bullseye for the law, you're going to get fucked, no matter how you spin it. [/QUOTE]Yes, but if I have to defend my actions my audience is my wife and family, not LEO or a judge.
Here are some comments by attorneys regarding body rubs vs. massages (in IL). [URL]http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/is-there-a-difference-between-massage-and-body-rub-725511.html[/URL].
If you find what you need, as many of us do for long stretches of time, there is no need to look for new providers. The dicey moments are when you resurface and want to make new friends. Katie, a gal I met not long ago, came out and met me on the street when I drove up. I asked her to show me her breast. She did and that satisfied my concerns. We moved forward.
As Kenwood Jack has said, he uses his spidey meter. Whatever it takes.
You can always play it safe and only meet well reviewed providers. Some are willing to take one for the team. I have done it a couple of times but when I do I feel like Billy Hayes trying to sneak hashish out of Turkey (Midnight Express).
I certainly don't have all the answers and if anyone says they do, start walking the other way. If you are a newbie definitely stick with the well reviewed providers, gradually expanding your horizons.
And don't hesitate to review the Rules of Mongering on the site. Very helpful.
[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2396838]Exactly. Plus it should be understood that it won't be the cops you have to convince, it will be a judge if they press charges. Cops don't look for reasons not to arrest you. They'll do it and let District Atty and Judge sort it all out. Judges and juries don't generally admire clever arguments and let you off the hook.
If you are unfortunate enough to get pinched just stay silent and call your lawyer.[/QUOTE]I've never broken any law taking a girl out to lunch or knocking on a motel door. Yet, by what all these internet lawyers state, I should be in front of a judge pleading for forgiveness. Self paranoia can be a dangerous emotion.
BTW, tomorrow is friday the 13th, everyone be careful.