General Reports

[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3160044]
My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?[/QUOTE]My experience is that it often comes down to three things:

Chemistry. If a client isn't to her liking or a girl to his liking, then it will be a poor session.

How quickly a girl can be relaxed around a client or relax a client. If a girl is shy, then it is up to the client who often waits for the girl to make the moves. So the session is a bust.

Timing. It could have been a bad day for either, one or both may be tired, a traumatic event may occurred. The list is endless. Most are out of our control.

The best girls (ie Daya from Kazoo now retired) can still be good in spite of the above things. They are few and far between.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3159953] ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.[/QUOTE]Benz, I plan on including the fake pic / TGTBT clan in this round, as I want to see how the the false advertising factor plays out as a predictive variable. My gut says that for those that place a higher weight on looks, the model will compute a slightly higher "meh" coefficient. Something else I've noticed. Looks seem to have one other interesting dimension; namely the better looking the SP is, the easier for a certain subset of the client base to get wood (it aint just the older crowd either). Looks are a highly predictive variable for being able to get wood. Even more predictive than the SPs positive attitude. Seems counter-intuitive to me.

But, the model seems to be finding that a whole bunch of us (and our age makes no difference) seem to get stoked by the idea (ego inflation?) of being able to pound a decent looking piece of ass. Essentially many of us put up with less than stellar performance and attitude in order to eff a decent looking babe. And, in many cases, pay thru the nose for it too.

Bambi and a couple of her cohorts are successfully mining this phenomena for $150 for 10 - 20 min sessions.

[QUOTE=Macatawa;3160341]My experience is that it often comes down to three things:

Chemistry. If a client isn't to her liking or a girl to his liking, then it will be a poor session.

How quickly a girl can be relaxed around a client or relax a client. If a girl is shy, then it is up to the client who often waits for the girl to make the moves. So the session is a bust.

Timing. It could have been a bad day for either, one or both may be tired, a traumatic event may occurred. The list is endless. Most are out of our control.

The best girls (ie Daya from Kazoo now retired) can still be good in spite of the above things. They are few and far between.[/QUOTE]Well said Mac. As to your second point, I only recently started to initiate action during a session if the provider was tentative. It has turned a probable one time only so-so experience into a steady and improving arrangement. Boybear.

[QUOTE=Libertas;3154723]I mean just recently I had a 23 yr old slim build ebony girl stay over for 200.
[/QUOTE]I wonder what she'd ask for for a shorter session. Makes me want to join SA.

[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3160547]Benz, I plan on including the fake pic / TGTBT clan in this round, as I want to see how the the false advertising factor plays out as a predictive variable. My gut says that for those that place a higher weight on looks, the model will compute a slightly higher "meh" coefficient. Something else I've noticed. Looks seem to have one other interesting dimension; namely the better looking the SP is, the easier for a certain subset of the client base to get wood (it aint just the older crowd either). Looks are a highly predictive variable for being able to get wood. Even more predictive than the SPs positive attitude. Seems counter-intuitive to me.

But, the model seems to be finding that a whole bunch of us (and our age makes no difference) seem to get stoked by the idea (ego inflation?) of being able to pound a decent looking piece of ass. Essentially many of us put up with less than stellar performance and attitude in order to eff a decent looking babe. And, in many cases, pay thru the nose for it too.

Bambi and a couple of her cohorts are successfully mining this phenomena for $150 for 10 - 20 min sessions.[/QUOTE]I agree that's why I seek the TGTBT ads knowing I'm not going to see the girl in the ad but I will bang a hott chick of some sort and yes it will be rushed and quick and I will pay to much which makes some seniors mad at me for rewarding high prices and fake pics but some times I don't have time for a good long service with a real average girl. So agency girls are quick set up in my time window some times I get deals if early in week Mon through weds. Thurs Friday no deals at all. Get done and home before SO gets home.

[QUOTE=TeddBear;3160906]I agree that's why I seek the TGTBT ads knowing I'm not going to see the girl in the ad but I will bang a hott chick of some sort and yes it will be rushed and quick and I will pay to much which makes some seniors mad at me for rewarding high prices and fake pics but some times I don't have time for a good long service with a real average girl. So agency girls are quick set up in my time window some times I get deals if early in week Mon through weds. Thurs Friday no deals at all. Get done and home before SO gets home.[/QUOTE]Not mad, frustrated that these girls are getting away with it. Everything you described is a ripoff on time and service. If you give a review, we have no idea who we would see if we call that same number, so the review system doesn't work for them, good or bad. You're obviously not their only client, so many a monger are getting quick wood with a short or frustrated finish for their money. If they used real pics and a phone number to track the provider, they would be out of business. That's why they play the shell game with pics and numbers. I say hold them accountable and boycott fake pics.

[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3160044]In your respective experiences which things are prevalent:

Good looks AND poor attitude?

Good looks AND lackluster skills?

Both?

Average looks AND better attitude.

Average looks AND better skills.

Both?

My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?[/QUOTE]The attitude of these Hotties started in High School, they've been getting away with poor skills in every aspect of their life since Jr. High. Why start caring about what we think of them now?

Average looking girls learned in High school, they have to be nice and accommodating to get our attention and keep it.

You're right ShaginKabay, they are inversely correlated. It started in High. School. They have obviously exhausted all their sugar baby options or they wouldn't be on BP with an agency, we are probably getting the worst of them, the ones that sugar daddies rejected. I'm not buying it. And when the younger mongers get frustrated enough hopefully they won't reward them either.

Guys.

We've got a live one perhaps worthy of a two part test. Payton, whose scheduling and attitude issues have earned her a PIA rating. Almost exactly the SP that we've been theoretically discussing herein. Her composite posting behavior and USA material has the model predicting that the pics are real tho dated perhaps a couple years, that Benz would rate her an avoid, that TeddBear will like her for looks but hate her for scheduling hassle, and that Macatawa would like her enough to see her a 2nd time, and then try to "cultivate" to see if her harsher side can be softened with more regular attention.

Thoughts? Hey Mac, you game. You interested in seeing if this one can be grown? The Model suggests a significant service and menu upside with the right monger. Your next Daya might be right here. If not, I'm in.

Guy named Tim gave me his UTR girl name near Grant. I got off here and lost her number. She stripped in Muskegon at times. Please PM if still have.

[QUOTE=MikeYepthatsm;3106064]Yep. She went by the name Hailey I believe. Her number is still out there if you look on naughty reviews or TER. I haven't seen her in over a year, but when I did see her last she was at her apt by Adobe.[/QUOTE]Thank you to those who passed along possible contact info for Hailey. I tried messaging her for a while and it finally paid off at the end of last week. Hailey replied first with text, then a call. She seemed to remember me and we quickly worked out a location to meet for a hh visit. We chatted a little to catch up and she shared that she's been dealing with family and life problems similar to many other girls we get to deal with from BP. In some ways, trouble seems to follow her. I will also admit in the past there have been instances of drama, so I will NOT say she is drama-free.

Anyway, in almost any other arrangement, I prefer a woman with more build and shorter, say around 5 ft. Or a little shorter is most desireable for me. For Hailey, though, she just has a natural shapely sexiness and great attitude for play from when I first started seeing her and until now. She is lean and between A / B cup, but no appearance of baby damage from 2 kids from years ago. BBBJ, CFS, DATY, DATO, and greek (for some) will be on the menu. I 've only enjoyed greek with her once before, but it was not in a usual rhythm when I saw her reqularly. Her hygeine has always been and still appears to be impeccible and I enjoy DATY / DATO with her. She is not the most responsive in the world during DATY, but she definitely enjoys herself. While enjoying DATY during my last visit, she reached around in back and fingered her ass while I was going down on her: pretty awesome. She is super flexible in mish and doggie by nearly folding in half. Also pretty awesome.

She is not advertising in order to not get deeper into life troubles, but she did say she would be open to finding some more clients. She told me she is not available all the time. Please PM me for further info. There is no link available.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3160993]The attitude of these Hotties started in High School, they've been getting away with poor skills in every aspect of their life since Jr. High. Why start caring about what we think of them now?

Average looking girls learned in High school, they have to be nice and accommodating to get our attention and keep it.

You're right ShaginKabay, they are inversely correlated. It started in High. School. They have obviously exhausted all their sugar baby options or they wouldn't be on BP with an agency, we are probably getting the worst of them, the ones that sugar daddies rejected. I'm not buying it. And when the younger mongers get frustrated enough hopefully they won't reward them either.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting topic. Thank you for bringing it up, ShagniKabay. Also, I think Benz really laid out the core issue with hot looks and getting away with poor skills or just general lack of pleasantness.

I could be considered over the hill and not a geezer at the same time. I introduced myself to the Hobby via a Spa in Ionia county around 1999 and progressed from there.

For me, the one characteristic that does it for me with an SP above all others is: attitude. Close and next down on the list is hygiene, followed by physique (ideal = short and curvy in the ass and hips / padded without being a complete blubber blob), and finally looks in the face. I take shapely hips over a huge rack on any day. Saggy tits like a fried egg on a nail are total turn off. Little titties tend not to have that issue and are just fine for me.

A BASIC good attitude for me is one where a prospective SP genuinely likes sex, is comfortable with her own body, and is looking for a little $ help while enjoying herself. In the good 'ol days of AES, TER, and similar, it was easier to find this kind of match without nearly as much wasteful blind spending and time on dead ends. The extinct sites were not fool proof, but much better than what we currently deal with on BP. For me with current BP offerings, I review the GR posts multiple times a day and message (often, without reply much less success) to figure out who could be genuinely open to having some fun.

In this kind of search and as Benz mentioned, the "average" looking (or larger) gal is usually going to be an enjoyable experience. What is a total mood killer for me is a stuck up, disinterested, detached, or generally shitty attitude. All this contributes to my less frequent posts from meetings given there was much weeding out of SPs with shitty or non-existent communication from the get go.

[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3153689]I want somebody who is:

A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.

Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.

Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.

Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.

Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.

Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.

For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.[/QUOTE]Hahaha should be easy to find this woman. Just look in Middle Earth.

[QUOTE=NoNonsenseLady;3162148]Hahaha should be easy to find this woman. Just look in Middle Earth.[/QUOTE]NNL,

Please come back and teach our providers how to provide.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3162298]NNL,

Please come back and teach our providers how to provide.[/QUOTE]I do miss you guys! Unfortunately you can't teach some things. If you could I would probably get out of providing and just make a living teaching classes. I know some of you have suggested I teach a class for wives / SO's in the past.

Happy Thanksgiving from the best coast!

[QUOTE=NoNonsenseLady;3162148]Hahaha should be easy to find this woman. Just look in Middle Earth.[/QUOTE]Mordor, the Shire, or Lothlorien? And Hobbitses and Orcs are not to my liking. Hairy feet and bad breath kinda make Junior go hide (me too sometimes).

<sigh The legendary NNL just took a 2 x4 upside my dream. Now I will hear AeroSmith's "Dream On".

OR Benz singing the following.

Most of their pics are fake (all them pics are fake).

Or most of 'them anyway (most anyway).

But I've been trolling BP for place to stay, for a place to stay.

Ohh NNL sez I dreamin, on a late fall day.

On a late fall day.

But I need to find me something, need to find me something.

That doesn't run away.

Ohh help me No Nonsense Lady.

Before I start to fray.

With deepest apologies to the Mamas and the Papas.