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I've been to ML a few times and never bothered to get the persons name since the talent is better than other places. This time around, I got her name. Monica. She was great with the massage and did a very sensual HE. No rush to it at all. Got the full hour. OTC bottom and UTC top. They just raised their price tk $70/ hr.
Anyone gotten 4 hand here? What do you usually tip for 4 hand in general?
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[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5959657]Masseuses are transient across the board, whether in AMPs or in a legit shop like Massage Envy. It's not because of closed minded owners or a reluctance to modernize. It's because of the nature of the job and the kind of people it attracts. Not really sure how many owners you know, but the vast majority are not trolling stations and shelters to get workers. The traditional mode is classified advertising and word of mouth. And in Asian culture (like American culture), rub and tug massage shops are not the kind of employers most women like to tell their friends and family about.
Due to the nature of the business, Chinese (and to a lesser extent, Korean) culture is ideal for a business operating on the fringes of LE. For example, therapeutic massage more or less was invented in China. The Chinese culture is secretive and naturally averse to government. The list goes on and on. The industry will be slow to change because it works well this way.
Hats off to ML for stepping out and trying to change things. Other shops are following as well.[/QUOTE]My experience is the opposite, the owners I've known both Chinese and Korean work hard to rotate girls from places like New York periodically, sure they have their "staff" girls but often used to try to bring in fresh talent, but ever since the shootings girls from other areas don't want to come to Atlanta, it's got a bad reputation in the massage world. Had a long conversation with the owner of IYV on Cheshire bridge about 6 months after the shooting, she used to rotate in a NY girl every few months and send the old one back, then none of the girls from the north would come anymore, that's not an isolated shop it's actually very common. While we may not think about the shooting every time we go to a shop, they still talk about it. A few months back I was in Las Vegas and went to a parlor, they asked where I was from, I told them and they immediately were like "oh girls get killed there, not safe place."
[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5959657]Masseuses are transient across the board, whether in AMPs or in a legit shop like Massage Envy. It's not because of closed minded owners or a reluctance to modernize. It's because of the nature of the job and the kind of people it attracts. Not really sure how many owners you know, but the vast majority are not trolling stations and shelters to get workers. The traditional mode is classified advertising and word of mouth. And in Asian culture (like American culture), rub and tug massage shops are not the kind of employers most women like to tell their friends and family about.
Due to the nature of the business, Chinese (and to a lesser extent, Korean) culture is ideal for a business operating on the fringes of LE. For example, therapeutic massage more or less was invented in China. The Chinese culture is secretive and naturally averse to government. The list goes on and on. The industry will be slow to change because it works well this way.
Hats off to ML for stepping out and trying to change things. Other shops are following as well.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your thoughtful and informative posting. In my attempt to respond to Nite's "it doesn't matter" comment, I definitely generalized a tad too much.
LOL I guess I am somewhat jaded (and turned off) or biased by so many dirty, old shops that often makes me wonder how they ever pass building code inspections and all the "senior citizen" staffs that look more like an AARP Sign-Up than an appealing lineup of attractive young women!
Actually, I do know several shop owners and enjoy those conversations. But, they all have younger, attractive girls than what I was referring to. It just seems like day after day on this site, so many guys are constantly chatting about and pursuing aging and unattractive women that receive considerable $$$ in relationship to their assets and services provided.
Hopefully, Atlanta can become a desired destination once again for massage and spa workers!
Magic Hands,
Felt like getting a massage since its been more than a week. Figured, I head back to Adore since I had a good experience.
As I was heading down Buford Hwy, I checked on the several location and thinking maybe I check out another spot?
Upon pulling into Adore I noticed the lot looked pretty full, so figured why even stop. Heading back up Buford Hwy I once again checked the AMPs.
Along the way and saw Magic Hands. Looked pretty busy as I passed but wanted to drive by some others first.
When I circled back the lot was pretty empty. So, I pull in.
2 MT were smoking up a storm sitting on the curb but, When I started walking to the door they quickly jumped up and one opened the door.
Noticing the pups in the tight top and the welcoming me in to the room I figured this would be my MT.
No talk of time or payment just the regular get undressed and face down on the table. She leaves and I'm there for 5 minutes then the door opens.
Turns out I get another MT Susan.
She is easily in the 60's has a smokers voice (yes, was out at the curb smoking) kind of a turn off, but away we go.
We went through the regular Q&A been here before, how long massage you want. She kept pushing for the 90 I took 60, hard / soft, etc.
She gives a pretty good massage if only she didn't spend 20 minutes on my right and 5 on the left?
Nice taint massage, Baja Sur and ass work (not PM) then she says something in broken English and is gone.
6 minutes waiting in the room. I didn't realize I was about to get some hot oil and stones, felt good, then towel and flip.
She ask me about the scalp massage? I gesture to my little buddy and she said No! DYI and drops some oil.
On my buddy. I'm like? So, I touch and gesture her hand to go ahead. So, we started to working together.
Until I let her do it. Boy, talking about fast motion I had to slow it down thought it was machine like. UTC top ok, UTC bottom not worth it, pop then clean.
She continued on with the massage legs, feet and I asked about the scalp and realized the time, she said no worry free.
Went over about 15 minutes, which was nice.
Got dressed and headed out to pay. She was washing some items in a sink, I walked over and handed her a tip 6.
I thought I gave her wip-lash when she looked at the tip? She assumed, I was paying the house fee.
I didn't know to give the house and tip to her. So, 6/6 OTD.
[QUOTE=AtlantaFunGuy;5959786]Thank you for your thoughtful and informative posting. In my attempt to respond to Nite's "it doesn't matter" comment, I definitely generalized a tad too much.
LOL I guess I am somewhat jaded (and turned off) or biased by so many dirty, old shops that often makes me wonder how they ever pass building code inspections and all the "senior citizen" staffs that look more like an AARP Sign-Up than an appealing lineup of attractive young women!
Actually, I do know several shop owners and enjoy those conversations. But, they all have younger, attractive girls than what I was referring to. It just seems like day after day on this site, so many guys are constantly chatting about and pursuing aging and unattractive women that receive considerable $$$ in relationship to their assets and services provided.
Hopefully, Atlanta can become a desired destination once again for massage and spa workers![/QUOTE]We had some great AMP"s in Clayton County from the '80's through the early 20's until they were driven out by Victor Hill.
[QUOTE=AtlantaFunGuy;5959786]Actually, I do know several shop owners and enjoy those conversations. But, they all have younger, attractive girls than what I was referring to. It just seems like day after day on this site, so many guys are constantly chatting about and pursuing aging and unattractive women that receive considerable $$$ in relationship to their assets and services provided.
Hopefully, Atlanta can become a desired destination once again for massage and spa workers![/QUOTE]If it was easy to hire and retain young, hot girls then all the shops would do it. It's not. The talent pool in ATL is thin. In fact, it's thin in most major cities in the US with very few exceptions. Go look at the boards in other cities and mongers complain about all the owls working.
We will see what ML looks like in a year. Hopefully they find a way to retain talent.
[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5959950]If it was easy to hire and retain young, hot girls then all the shops would do it. It's not. The talent pool in ATL is thin. In fact, it's thin in most major cities in the US with very few exceptions. Go look at the boards in other cities and mongers complain about all the owls working.
We will see what ML looks like in a year. Hopefully they find a way to retain talent.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Massage Legend is the flavor of the month and I hope they can maintain good talent. Just wish the shop was closer to me!
[QUOTE=AtlantaFunGuy;5959786]Thank you for your thoughtful and informative posting. In my attempt to respond to Nite's "it doesn't matter" comment, I definitely generalized a tad too much.
LOL I guess I am somewhat jaded (and turned off) or biased by so many dirty, old shops that often makes me wonder how they ever pass building code inspections and all the "senior citizen" staffs that look more like an AARP Sign-Up than an appealing lineup of attractive young women!
Actually, I do know several shop owners and enjoy those conversations. But, they all have younger, attractive girls than what I was referring to. It just seems like day after day on this site, so many guys are constantly chatting about and pursuing aging and unattractive women that receive considerable $$$ in relationship to their assets and services provided.
Hopefully, Atlanta can become a desired destination once again for massage and spa workers![/QUOTE]It's been declining over the past 20+ years, what makes you think it'll turn around or are you new at this?
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5959421]I never suggested that ML or any other parlor cruises Greyhound stations looking for talent. Many CAMP girls answer online ads in China, get over here, and move from city to city doing massages until they can become independent. If they become legal and established, they're free to go and work where they please. Why would a model-quality woman be desperate enough to work at a CAMP? Seems they'd have better options. At the very least, they could find a Chinese or American sugar daddy to take care of them.[/QUOTE]Come on night! Get with it man. I was being sarcastic! Mainly because of your "no need to fuck with a sound business model" statement. Maybe you are satisfied and don't mind driving all over the Atlanta metro area day after day to find the same aging faces recycling from shop to shop?
Not me! I think that approach absolutely sucks! And accordingly, I was simply praising Ms. Wang for her creative approach of attempting to acquire new talent. It worked! Now all of us just need to sit back and see if any of those beauties can transition into the world of Atlanta massage shops. Time will tell.
[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5959783]My experience is the opposite, the owners I've known both Chinese and Korean work hard to rotate girls from places like New York periodically, sure they have their "staff" girls but often used to try to bring in fresh talent, but ever since the shootings girls from other areas don't want to come to Atlanta, it's got a bad reputation in the massage world. Had a long conversation with the owner of IYV on Cheshire bridge about 6 months after the shooting, she used to rotate in a NY girl every few months and send the old one back, then none of the girls from the north would come anymore, that's not an isolated shop it's actually very common. While we may not think about the shooting every time we go to a shop, they still talk about it. A few months back I was in Las Vegas and went to a parlor, they asked where I was from, I told them and they immediately were like "oh girls get killed there, not safe place."[/QUOTE]Very true, this was news that went worldwide, they won't forget about it anytime relatively soon.
[QUOTE=AtlantaFunGuy;5959786]Thank you for your thoughtful and informative posting. In my attempt to respond to Nite's "it doesn't matter" comment, I definitely generalized a tad too much.
LOL I guess I am somewhat jaded (and turned off) or biased by so many dirty, old shops that often makes me wonder how they ever pass building code inspections and all the "senior citizen" staffs that look more like an AARP Sign-Up than an appealing lineup of attractive young women!
Actually, I do know several shop owners and enjoy those conversations. But, they all have younger, attractive girls than what I was referring to. It just seems like day after day on this site, so many guys are constantly chatting about and pursuing aging and unattractive women that receive considerable $$$ in relationship to their assets and services provided.
Hopefully, Atlanta can become a desired destination once again for massage and spa workers![/QUOTE]Wouldn't you mind pm me the name of the MPs where I can find young talents. Much appreciated!
[QUOTE=RomeoMonger;5959664]I've been to ML a few times and never bothered to get the persons name since the talent is better than other places. This time around, I got her name. Monica. She was great with the massage and did a very sensual HE. No rush to it at all. Got the full hour. OTC bottom and UTC top. They just raised their price tk $70/ hr.
Anyone gotten 4 hand here? What do you usually tip for 4 hand in general?[/QUOTE]$70? Are they on glue?
Anyone have luck with the new girl? Anna and Kim are my usual but the new one looks tasty. Name is cc I think.
[QUOTE=ChinaLove123;5960245]Anyone have luck with the new girl? Anna and Kim are my usual but the new one looks tasty. Name is cc I think.[/QUOTE]I've had some success with Anna, but she's not what I'm looking for in a provider. A little too big all around, but her tits are surprisingly decent. Never even had a hint of anything possible with Kim, but I'd sure like to!
I saw another one there a while back, and she was allegedly Kim's real life sister. She was totally cool, but I didn't get a vibe that extras were available.
[QUOTE=TimeToPost;5960258]I've had some success with Anna, but she's not what I'm looking for in a provider. A little too big all around, but her tits are surprisingly decent. Never even had a hint of anything possible with Kim, but I'd sure like to!
I saw another one there a while back, and she was allegedly Kim's real life sister. She was totally cool, but I didn't get a vibe that extras were available.[/QUOTE]Yeh. Anna is a big girl! But gives a great HJ. New girl is hotter than Kim. Thanks for the feedback.
[QUOTE=AtlantaFunGuy;5959997]Come on night! Get with it man. I was being sarcastic! Mainly because of your "no need to fuck with a sound business model" statement. Maybe you are satisfied and don't mind driving all over the Atlanta metro area day after day to find the same aging faces recycling from shop to shop?
Not me! I think that approach absolutely sucks! And accordingly, I was simply praising Ms. Wang for her creative approach of attempting to acquire new talent. It worked! Now all of us just need to sit back and see if any of those beauties can transition into the world of Atlanta massage shops. Time will tell.[/QUOTE]Everyone wants hot parlors everywhere but those times are long gone. If you want to compare the parlor scene today with just 6 years ago, there is no comparison. As I said, time will tell if ML can maintain their talent level. Plan to stop by next week to check it out.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5960281]How many accounts do you have now, multi-banned?[/QUOTE]About as many as the shops you've been banned from Mr. Persona non grata. Or is it GGJ?
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5960305]Everyone wants hot parlors everywhere but those times are long gone. If you want to compare the parlor scene today with just 6 years ago, there is no comparison. As I said, time will tell if ML can maintain their talent level. Plan to stop by next week to check it out.[/QUOTE]Thanks night! You mentioned stopping by ML next week? I don't want to mislead you or anyone else. None of those girls have joined ML. At best, I believe one, maybe two will in the future. It's a new concept that has not become reality yet. If it wasn't for that one customer posting, nobody would even know. The girls were actually interviewed offsite for several reasons including possible business disruption; not really fair to customers.
[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5959783]My experience is the opposite, the owners I've known both Chinese and Korean work hard to rotate girls from places like New York periodically, sure they have their "staff" girls but often used to try to bring in fresh talent, but ever since the shootings girls from other areas don't want to come to Atlanta, it's got a bad reputation in the massage world. Had a long conversation with the owner of IYV on Cheshire bridge about 6 months after the shooting, she used to rotate in a NY girl every few months and send the old one back, then none of the girls from the north would come anymore, that's not an isolated shop it's actually very common. While we may not think about the shooting every time we go to a shop, they still talk about it. A few months back I was in Las Vegas and went to a parlor, they asked where I was from, I told them and they immediately were like "oh girls get killed there, not safe place."[/QUOTE]That fear of ATL from the shootings is old news. There are many risk-averse girls for many reasons that are bigger than that; COVID literally restricted the amount of new talent to arrive in the US, the strangling of parlors by governments (Johns Creek, Duluth, Roswell, Norcross, Peachtree Corners et al) is a bigger rumor / fear than some monger who went nuts. Bringing in temporary talent from NYC (really the only city anyone does that) is a long standing practice and now that NYC basically doesn't prosecute FS is another dagger in the heart. You can make a lot more money in 3 months in NYC than you can down here.
Add in: losing Backpages and Creative Loafing. Easy advertising that even Broken Engrish could figure out is lonnggggggg gone. Wives with Life 360 or Find My and 24/7 security from Ring makes things harder for Pro Mongers to chase trim. It's harder than ever for providers to pimp their trade.
ML is the hot brand and the girls haven't been poached yet. The infighting for clients probably hasn't begun. The pettiness amongst girls, the greed, the temptation to bring a book of clients to another shop hasn't even started yet.
In the end it's all about retaining the talent and that business model is much more simple than has been depicted in the many posts about ML. That model is that it's the girls that make the bags and not the shop.
[QUOTE=Ombudsman5150;5959994]It's been declining over the past 20+ years, what makes you think it'll turn around or are you new at this?[/QUOTE]LOL Not really new. 5 decades; first massage shop in 1975.
Interesting! Just sharing as I have not had an opportunity to participate lately. Received text today from my Mamasan friend. Known her for a long time. She recently reopened Pearl in Roswell. Business Slow (newly opened, but I understand the LE concern, plus add increased prices lately) She is trying an American strategy to boost business. So she is trying. One hour is now $59.99 and includes bathing. This is my own opinion, but maybe a great idea and could bring other shops prices down as well. Competition Guys!! Could it work? Or is she doomed because of Roswell shutdowns??
[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5959657]Masseuses are transient across the board, whether in AMPs or in a legit shop like Massage Envy. It's not because of closed minded owners or a reluctance to modernize. It's because of the nature of the job and the kind of people it attracts. Not really sure how many owners you know, but the vast majority are not trolling stations and shelters to get workers. The traditional mode is classified advertising and word of mouth. And in Asian culture (like American culture), rub and tug massage shops are not the kind of employers most women like to tell their friends and family about.
Due to the nature of the business, Chinese (and to a lesser extent, Korean) culture is ideal for a business operating on the fringes of LE. For example, therapeutic massage more or less was invented in China. The Chinese culture is secretive and naturally averse to government. The list goes on and on. The industry will be slow to change because it works well this way.
Hats off to ML for stepping out and trying to change things. Other shops are following as well.[/QUOTE]Agree about the transient massage therapists. No matter what kind of shop, chiropractor, franchise, AMP, most masseuses work a short time and then move on. Many times I built a rapport with a therapist before learning she moved away. It didn't matter if she was legit or not. Actually most were legit and I got tired of having to go from place to place and build a new rapport while getting only a massage for more than I shell out at an AMP. A lot of the hiring or adding new talent comes from the Asian network. Owners know owners and move workers from shop to shop, city to city. Atlanta is still under caution from the killings a couple of years ago. But underground publications are present that lure workers to locations and those workers stay awhile before moving on. There are those who remain locally for a long time and those who migrate around the country. It's about an even mix.
[QUOTE=CrestWood87;5955932]Saw this place for the first time. It's called Amazing Massage on Chamblee Dunwoody Rd. Has anyone been here?[/QUOTE]It has been many years since I have been there- kind of surprised to hear it's still there. Depending on ownership over the years you could have happiness or not. Even when 'not' there was the occasional lucky session. During the early days when the treat your feet girls opened it I had an attractive younger girl finish the deal and said that was the first time and she wasn't doing it anymore. I believe it because she was terrible and never saw her again. Later an older lady was reliable, but new ownership wanted the girls to leave the doors cracked open, so I never returned.
Ok,
Because of all the traffic I went ahead and swung by completely out of my way (like a 45 minute drive here damn! I went by on Day 1 and was greeted by Gina who took me back to a room. She is definitely my style but unfortunately I was massaged by an older lady (40+) who's name I can't remember. OTC bottom and UTC top. Second visit was late 30's early 40's again don't remember the name because I honestly thought of just leaving, flat ass and no real chest to speak of. Massage was meh and OTC top and bottom, she wanted 100 for UTC top LOL. I am known to be generous but come on, UTC top for 100 but would only lift the bra not even take off. I forwent and left. Trying to book with Gina but every time she is either off or left early. Who should I ask for that is 20-30 and has a decent menu? So far not impressed but willing to give it another try.
[QUOTE=USABarry;5960980]Agree about the transient massage therapists. No matter what kind of shop, chiropractor, franchise, AMP, most masseuses work a short time and then move on. Many times I built a rapport with a therapist before learning she moved away. It didn't matter if she was legit or not. Actually most were legit and I got tired of having to go from place to place and build a new rapport while getting only a massage for more than I shell out at an AMP. A lot of the hiring or adding new talent comes from the Asian network. Owners know owners and move workers from shop to shop, city to city. Atlanta is still under caution from the killings a couple of years ago. But underground publications are present that lure workers to locations and those workers stay awhile before moving on. There are those who remain locally for a long time and those who migrate around the country. It's about an even mix.[/QUOTE]There is nothing underground, it's just Chinese websites where they clearly post massage jobs that include the amount of money they are proposing they could make. Of course, there is also word of mouth or a combination. I think the shooting concerns are less than the risk of arrests due to the crack down in the 'burbs and next the amount of money they can make. As someone said, it is kind of a gray area where the 'polite' culture may not assume you are giving HJs if you work at a massage shop, but if you are arrested you obviously are and lose face which is a big deal to the Chinese. The girls know which places are giving HJs and which are not. Their main concern is the amount of traffic, if it is too slow or the tips are bad they move on.
Looking for some recent reports of good back walking experiences. Love the deep pressure when someone knows what they're doing. Bonus points if they use feet and oil / no sheet or (longshot) teasing the boys with their feet. Any advice for encouraging foot play is also appreciated.
[QUOTE=HughJaynus96;5959108]What kind of legal issues? I was there a few weeks ago and everything seemed cool as a cucumber.[/QUOTE]I was there Monday to see Korean Linda (they said they also have a Latina Linda, but I didn't see her). I'm interested in their legal issues since I go there on occasion. What's up?
[QUOTE=HughJaynus96;5959108]What kind of legal issues? I was there a few weeks ago and everything seemed cool as a cucumber.[/QUOTE]Brookhaven busted them again recently.
[QUOTE=ChinaLove123;5958734]Ivy! Girls are hot and fun.[/QUOTE]LuLu is nice, but I don't know that I would call her hot. Is there a new hot girl?
[QUOTE=AtlantaFunGuy;5960399]Thanks night! You mentioned stopping by ML next week? I don't want to mislead you or anyone else. None of those girls have joined ML. At best, I believe one, maybe two will in the future. It's a new concept that has not become reality yet. If it wasn't for that one customer posting, nobody would even know. The girls were actually interviewed offsite for several reasons including possible business disruption; not really fair to customers.[/QUOTE]I'll be stopping by out of curiosity and to get the berries drained. I know who Angela, Cindy, Monica, Nancy, and Jennifer are. IMO, Monica is the only one who I'd want for a session. The rest are not worth the drive. How many other girls in the current lineup am I missing?
[QUOTE=Dudeatl;5961278]LuLu is nice, but I don't know that I would call her hot. Is there a new hot girl?[/QUOTE]Lili is the new hot one. Lulu isn't a 10 but her body is what I like.
[QUOTE=LuvThis;5960979]Interesting! Just sharing as I have not had an opportunity to participate lately. Received text today from my Mamasan friend. Known her for a long time. She recently reopened Pearl in Roswell. Business Slow (newly opened, but I understand the LE concern, plus add increased prices lately) She is trying an American strategy to boost business. So she is trying. One hour is now $59.99 and includes bathing. This is my own opinion, but maybe a great idea and could bring other shops prices down as well. Competition Guys!! Could it work? Or is she doomed because of Roswell shutdowns??[/QUOTE]Is there a Pearl (KAMP) in Roswell now? Pearl in Sandy Springs opened recently, but it's a CAMP.
[QUOTE=MusicMan0101;5961118]Looking for some recent reports of good back walking experiences. Love the deep pressure when someone knows what they're doing. Bonus points if they use feet and oil / no sheet or (longshot) teasing the boys with their feet. Any advice for encouraging foot play is also appreciated.[/QUOTE]Try Jane at Anna's massage also called Chi Massage on hwy 120 in Roswell. She is cute with a hot body for her age and very sweet but legit.
[QUOTE=LuvThis;5960979]Interesting! Just sharing as I have not had an opportunity to participate lately. Received text today from my Mamasan friend. Known her for a long time. She recently reopened Pearl in Roswell. Business Slow (newly opened, but I understand the LE concern, plus add increased prices lately) She is trying an American strategy to boost business. So she is trying. One hour is now $59.99 and includes bathing. This is my own opinion, but maybe a great idea and could bring other shops prices down as well. Competition Guys!! Could it work? Or is she doomed because of Roswell shutdowns??[/QUOTE]LT, clear your inbox.
[QUOTE=ChinaLove123;5961382]Lili is the new hot one. Lulu isn't a 10 but her body is what I like.[/QUOTE]Please check your inbox Chinalove 123. Thanks!
[QUOTE=TimeToPost;5961517]Please check your inbox Chinalove 123. Thanks![/QUOTE]I did. Sent you mail.
[QUOTE=AsianMan03;5961428]Try Jane at Anna's massage also called Chi Massage on hwy 120 in Roswell. She is cute with a hot body for her age and very sweet but legit.[/QUOTE]Lulu in Roswell may give you some foot play, you'll just have to ask.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5961317]I'll be stopping by out of curiosity and to get the berries drained. I know who Angela, Cindy, Monica, Nancy, and Jennifer are. IMO, Monica is the only one who I'd want for a session. The rest are not worth the drive. How many other girls in the current lineup am I missing?[/QUOTE]Nite, you should probably defer until another time. Jennifer left on 4/24, you missed the highly acclaimed Kelly 6/5, Jenny started 5/12, Angela 5/18, Nancy 5/23 and Cindy 6/8.
[QUOTE=MusicMan0101;5961118]Looking for some recent reports of good back walking experiences. Love the deep pressure when someone knows what they're doing. Bonus points if they use feet and oil / no sheet or (longshot) teasing the boys with their feet. Any advice for encouraging foot play is also appreciated.[/QUOTE]Lulu in Roswell may give you some foot play, you'll just have to ask.