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I've gotten it twice through my historical booking with M.
[QUOTE=TDLeafs;7433963]Seen multiple girls thru Booker M.
Hasn't received the discount after multiple visits. Has anyone received the discount? I think it was $50 off on 5th girl.
I've seen more than that. Does she give discount automatically or do you have to remind her for that?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Majieroero;7434384]Kind of late to the party with the advice to the young guy, but I think there's a lot of truth to all the pros and cons brought up by the vets here. At the end of the day, it's all about moderation and having self control, which can be tough with this hobby, but it's totally possible. Sex drive is a good motivation to make more moeny for sure and I can speak from experience.
I started hobbying around my mid to late 20's after graduating college and getting a job to gain real income for myself. Till then, I've never had any problem with getting girls, but I guess I've always had high libido. I've had sex throughout my mid to late teens with GFs and hookups, and I've had a long-term GF through college to satisfy my sexual needs. I remember a period of time when I was having sex every day, everywhere. LOL Those were some good times. One of my fondest memories is having a small circle of friends (3 guys 3 girls) that openly swapped partners and had orgies at and after school. That all ended when one of the girls got prego without knowing who the baby daddy was. Which wasn't such a great memory.
After graduating school, things started to calm down socially, but I guess my sex drive never came down. So naturally, I got into hobbying to let out all the sexual tension, which was great for my mental health rather than masturbating all the time. Financially, it was definitely a struggle first though. I started out with craigslist and backpage, and sessions were pretty cheap with independent girls back then, but I definitely got addicted too much when I first started. I remember doing 3-4 incalls a week with each session costing a little more than $100 for the hour. I probably spent around $1 K 2 K per month, which isn't much in today's standards but it was enough to put a sizable dent in my entry-level job salary. It was just nice to have a convenietn NSA sex without having to worry about any personal relationships or dramas. This also helped me figure out my finances better as a young adult, and forced me to plan out my budgets responsibly. I'm lowkey glad that my entry point was appropriate to my financial capabilities at the time, despite the quality of the sessions being a fraction of what the kigrl experience is. Seeing kgirls from the start would've destroyed my bank account in a heartbeat. Seeing independents on CG and BP was also kind of fun because it was really a roll of the dice. Some real hits, but also a lot of misses. I distinctly remember having sex with a hot Italian girl in Santa Barbara, who was a random pickup during a roadtrip up north. Service was very much meh, but she was definitely a fun trophy fuck that I'll never forget.
Soon after, I started frequenting c-orgs around my late 20's, which provided a little more stability in terms of expectations. Same rates, same houses, similar routines. Cheap rates. $120 160 per hour in the SGV area. Very limited experience with CBJ, CFS, and mostly no kissing. Girls were definitely hit or miss, but less misses now. I enjoyed a good amount of attractive SEA girls, and of course an unfortunate minority of older unattractive women during this time. After a while though, the gamble factor was getting old and I was almost ready to move on from the hobby all together to settle down.
Then about 10 years ago, I experienced my first kgirl through ********. The first one was a huge hurdle for me because the price was double the cost of a c-org and I struggled to justify that at the time. $260 per hour back in the day, which is comically cheap compared to today's standard, but expensive relative to the time of the experience. I was over c-orgs at this point, so I took the plunge and finally got an appointment with my first ever kgirl. I still vividly remember seeing Amy in downtown. She was in a nice apartment off of Hill st. My memory might be slightly glorified at this point, but she was a gorgeous girl in her early 30's. Dirty blonde hair. Slightly dark but smooth skin. Slightly plastic face but pretty none the less. Super plump ass and a beautiful set of manmade Ds. She took me through the standard kgirl routine of BT, shower preview, bedside BBBJ in front of the mirror, LFK / DFK, 69, CFS in every position imaginable, and a nice little clean up BBBJ as a finishing touch. I still have dreams about her sucking me off and seeing her round ass in the mirror. That session had me hooked on kgirls. The sheer difference in the level of service compared to anything I've had before had me in awe. Fortunately, by this time, I was also in a much better place financially so I can afford to see a couple kgirls per month. The increase in cost was absolutely justified after this first experience and I've never looked back ever since. I ended up fucking Amy 6 or 7 times before she left LA to tour the states.
The world of kgirls opened me up to BBFS, which was another mental hurdle because of the health risk factor, but by my late 30's I felt less risk was on the line that I just started to go in raw with some precautionary measures with DoxyPreP and thorough clean up routines. (Fortunately no STD scares till this day!) Then I started getting into duos and trios, which was reminiscent of my orgy days and the experience itself was fun, but the price never made much sense to me in that area. I'd rather fuck the girls individually and get the extra hours / shots, which is way more cost effective.
The influx of j-girls and JAV porn stars was another pleasant wave over the past few years. The j-girl experience is not quite at the level of kgirls, but me being able to speak Japanese has given me some leverage with j-girls. Fucking a JAV girl while watching her own porn and making her act out the same scene was a bucket list item to cross out. Filming a session with a j-girl and watching it together has been one of the funniest and ego boosting thing I've done in the hobby.
In the past 5 years, I started travelling to Japan and Korea for business, so I started going to soaplands and trying different types of brothels there. Japanese soaplands make you feel like a king with the over the top service. Korean brothels make you drown in tits, asses, and pussies quite literally. The experience is definitely elevated in the homeland (s), but the basic LA kgirl experience has remained as the golden standard for me.
Since starting the hobby, I tripled my salary and have been meticulous with my finances as well as my health check ups. Big driver behind all that has been my desire to continue the hobby and I have no shame in that. I want to eat lots of good food, travel to a lot of places, and have a lot of sex with beautiful women until my time on earth is over. Being honest with my body's needs have made me very happy and I don't plan on stopping.
Long rant but hope this paints a picture as to how the hobby shapes a person's life. It was interesting to read how and when other's got into the hobby as well, so hopefully we can all share a bit of our own experience (in a relatively non-distinct way, of course).[/QUOTE]Wow you and I have very similar stories. Except my overseas sexcapade was in Thailand for 3 months and went pussy crazy like a mad man.
Kbliss humpday lineup.
Yami Maya Lucy playa vista. Kona Summer mw.
[QUOTE=DrTherapy69;7433258]Hello my doods.
Looking for a service girl that has great DFK in this org, anyone got any recommendations?[/QUOTE]Yami gets my vote. Hot, great service, and great attitude about sex. Fuck, I need to go see her when I'm in LA this month, LOL.
Yes, same thing happen with me as well. Let just say I've been in a much better place ever since I discovered K-girls. Right now, I'm also looking for more opportunities to make more money and meet more girls. At the moment, I see about 2–3 girls a month without hurting my financial goals, but my aim is to eventually see one every week.
I read somewhere on a forum that a gentleman said, "Don't fall in love with a K-girl — keep it professional. " I understand that, but lately I've been receiving a lot of special treatment from one, and it's starting to blur the line. So far, it's just been regular dates. I've offered to pay, but she refused. We ended up having amazing sex afterward, with no extra charge. Even when I book her, she lets me stay an extra 30–45 minutes. So far, she hasn't asked me for any favors at all.
Has anyone else been in a similar situation? I know I shouldn't fall for it — it might just be part of the act — but damn, it feels good when one of your ATFs starts treating you special, a true GFE.
[QUOTE=Omfgitzjin;7434474]Wow you and I have very similar stories. Except my overseas sexcapade was in Thailand for 3 months and went pussy crazy like a mad man.[/QUOTE]Thailand only scares me because of the ladyboys LOL.
[QUOTE=Stonkz;7434432]LOL I guess we all got origin stories close to yours. I started early 20's in massage parlors and corgs after a break up lmfao. And then somehow I ended up with independents. Back in the day they were charging me 5 hundo to a band bro. I was like WTF is this shit. Then I ended up here for a fraction of the price. I was like fuck man these white bitches been ripping me off. Their service was good but not kgirl good so I have never looked back. Even when mongering in Thailand, Japan, and Philippines, Kgirls here are so much better. I don't even like to travel and monger anymore because eventually unicorns will come to LA. And to be honest, for me, hobbying is cheaper than being in relationship. And the best thing is that it is quiet when you sleep at night.[/QUOTE]$500 is crazy money for one session, even for white girls. LOL Independents are usually higher risk for diseases too because those white hoes are usually knee deep in hard drugs. LA kgirls are definitely the golden standard. It's not the cheapest value for service, but it's certainly the most convenient, controlled, and easiest bang for the buck.
[QUOTE=Optional;7434396]I loved reading this. Thank you for sharing! My own experience is similar, minus the orgies, haha. I started this hobby in Europe and Asia, and let me tell you, I've seen some things. Everything from literal local village shacks to fishbowls full of hundreds. It's been interesting comparing the experience in the US compared to Europe and Asia. To be honest, I feel like it's better in those places abroad. The quality in LA is hit or miss, and far more expensive. But it is what it is.[/QUOTE]Europe bath houses are on my hit list. Hopefully one day I can pull the trigger to get my balls sucked dry by the Euro ladies.
[QUOTE=MisterDotD;7435013]Yes, same thing happen with me as well. Let just say I've been in a much better place ever since I discovered K-girls. Right now, I'm also looking for more opportunities to make more money and meet more girls. At the moment, I see about 23 girls a month without hurting my financial goals, but my aim is to eventually see one every week.
I read somewhere on a forum that a gentleman said, "Don't fall in love with a K-girl keep it professional. " I understand that, but lately I've been receiving a lot of special treatment from one, and it's starting to blur the line. So far, it's just been regular dates. I've offered to pay, but she refused. We ended up having amazing sex afterward, with no extra charge. Even when I book her, she lets me stay an extra 3045 minutes. So far, she hasn't asked me for any favors at all.
Has anyone else been in a similar situation? I know I shouldn't fall for it it might just be part of the act but damn, it feels good when one of your ATFs starts treating you special, a true GFE.[/QUOTE]To each their own. Most people will tell you not to get serious with working girls, and for good reasons, but you're the master of your universe. I had a similar situation back in the day with a WLA j-girl. We really hit it off after our first session, and she immediately asked for my contact. She asked me out a couple times and we went on a few dates. Mostly tame stuff like bar hopping, movie nights, day out at the beach, etc. I didn't mind hanging out with her, but I never took it seriously. It was all just part of a play, or so I thought. I still visited her as a customer because I thought it was only fair to pay her to fuck her, but she started asking me to take the last slot of the night so we could hang out afterwards. We would end up fucking for hours extensively or going out, depending on the mood of that night. I also learned that she was into some kinky shit, so we had a lot of fun with toys and whatnot during these late-night stays. Her "service" became a lot more personal with more DFK, hugging, and pillow talks. She eventually asked me if I wanted to take it a step further because her visa was up and she was planning to go back to Japan, which was a bit of a surprise because I was still under the impression that we were strictly NSA, and so I eventually had to say no and end that relationship there. A few weeks later, I saw on her social media that she was hooking up with another monger that took her off the market, or did so temporarily before she was back in WLA / PV again for her next stint. LOL Despite that, I thought she was pretty genuine during the time we hung out, but I also felt an underlying feeling that she was just after a marriage visa or looking for some chump to settle down with to get her out of whatever situation she was in. I also couldn't get over the fact that I'd be in a serious relationship with a girl that got railed by 30 dudes per week. Not to mention that she knew I was fucking other girls during the time we were doing our little dance. LOL The STD factor, mental health, and the general insecurity I would have towards her made it make less sense the more I thought about it. But again, that's all personal preference. Some of you might have the patience and the faith to believe in your ATFs, and there's always a possibility that it all really works out.
[QUOTE=JleeWhiskey;7434465]I've gotten it twice through my historical booking with M.[/QUOTE]Just mention it when its the 5th time you go. Lots of traffic so I doubt they keep track very well but if you bring it up it always gets used.
[QUOTE=MisterDotD;7435013]I read somewhere on a forum that a gentleman said, "Don't fall in love with a K-girl keep it professional. " I understand that, but lately I've been receiving a lot of special treatment from one, and it's starting to blur the line. So far, it's just been regular dates. I've offered to pay, but she refused. We ended up having amazing sex afterward, with no extra charge. Even when I book her, she lets me stay an extra 3045 minutes. So far, she hasn't asked me for any favors at all.
Has anyone else been in a similar situation? I know I shouldn't fall for it..[/QUOTE]
Yes, this comes up so often I think I'm up to 10 PSAs about it. Don't fall in love with working girls, it just doesn't work out 99%. Guys hope for the 1% way too hard and 99 times out of 100 end up the other way. Imagine you see guys buying a 1 in a 100 chance raffle ticket, only they are betting their savings and necks on that ticket. That's the problem, it's not a bet you should take!
Every guy has told me the same, that "they know they shouldn't" exactly like you. I'm taking a break so I don't have time to dig up other PSAs, but here is one:
[QUOTE=Download X;7389052][B]Don't get stuck[/B]
Do not fall in love with working girls. Almost all of us start out making mistakes like that. Just be free like a butterfly flying from flower to flower. Sometimes you land on the same flower a few more times, but that's all you need. The cure for liking one woman too much is another woman. When my friends got stuck, that was always the cure. Now looking back, they have no idea how they were under a previous woman's spell!
It even struck a sudden fear in friends that they almost fell so hard for a woman in the past. It is always obvious in hindsight.
One reason we see these girls is they have no expectation that we should see them again, no complaint if we see another girl. On the flipside, these girls can work or not work and don't answer to us either. I hope they are off having the time of their life. Maybe later we get to see them again after they are in peak condition from recovery.[/QUOTE]
The above story happens so often it will normally happen to us several times. It is actually quite rare for a veteran to not have this happen to before!
One problem is that girls will only show you their good side and hide the bad, for a long time. Civilian girls too. [B]Even the genuinely good women who are true wife material will hide their bad side from you.[/B] Later, you see it and their motivation. Like you did with your previous relationship and visa.
I will say though since you had a genuine good time with her without red flags, that it is not some evil thing she did either. She did it about the best and most honest way a person could do it, hoping to find someone she actually liked and enjoyed to do it with. A relationship is exactly that, mutual benefits. It was not some dirty trick she used on you, this is how even good wholesome women do it - they try to get the guys they want to like them and then settle down. But it is not for you, so she went plan B. You and I might have done the same in her situation in a different life.
90% of girls do it the wrong way and cause havoc though, unlike her. They burn bridges and make you pay for turning them down. Whereas, she actually gave you legit good memories otoh.
It is all the more reason with working girls, that you will not see their bad side. They are going to butter you up whether or not their feelings for you are real. And yes, it's possible for them to have some real feelings for you at the same time as having ulterior motives that don't match yours. Exactly as you've already experienced and retold. So don't repeat that with the new girl.
Even real wife material civilians have ulterior motives like getting you to like them, marrying them, making a family, and retiring in peace together in a home. It is not some dirty trick just because they hid their bad side from you, as long as what they wanted was mutually beneficial and agreed upon. That's all a relationship is. Women aren't dumb, they aren't doing it for free. You aren't either.
But there is hope. I heard this wild rumor that there are girls that will treat you like their real boyfriend for an hour, giving it all up to you, without expecting any relationship afterwards. It is the subject of my final PSA.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37370-Asian-Rosters-Reviews-Guides&p=7434756&viewfull=1#post7434756[/URL] [B]It's Too Good To Be True[/B]
[QUOTE=MisterDotD;7435013]Yes, same thing happen with me as well. Let just say I've been in a much better place ever since I discovered K-girls. Right now, I'm also looking for more opportunities to make more money and meet more girls. At the moment, I see about 23 girls a month without hurting my financial goals, but my aim is to eventually see one every week.
I read somewhere on a forum that a gentleman said, "Don't fall in love with a K-girl keep it professional. " I understand that, but lately I've been receiving a lot of special treatment from one, and it's starting to blur the line. So far, it's just been regular dates. I've offered to pay, but she refused. We ended up having amazing sex afterward, with no extra charge. Even when I book her, she lets me stay an extra 3045 minutes. So far, she hasn't asked me for any favors at all.
Has anyone else been in a similar situation? I know I shouldn't fall for it it might just be part of the act but damn, it feels good when one of your ATFs starts treating you special, a true GFE.[/QUOTE]I think you should enjoy your time without getting in too deep. You can still have a fun mutual connections with these kgirls.
Maybe my math is wrong, but if your aim is to see one every week, aren't you already there if you're seeing 23 girls a month? Did you mean to type "one every day"?
Also, holy shit, 23 girls a month? Damn, I'm envious! Good on you!
But yes, if you're seeing 23 girls a month, girls talk, and they definitely know you have money. Is it possible that this one girl is giving you special treatment because she genuinely likes you? Sure. But my guess is you're seeing her more often than once a month. Between that and other girls talking, they all probably know you have quite a bit of money to be able to afford like $9 K / month just on K-girls. She could be playing the long game, hoping you'll want to marry her so she can get a green card and live a nice easy life off of your money. As long as you're OK with that, that's fine. But in general, the more money you have (and the more people that know you have that money), the more you have to question why someone wants to be in your life. Is it actually you or is it your money?
Unless you meant 2-3 a month. In which case, are you seeing this one girl at least twice a month? If she knows you have a thing for her, it'll be easier for her to try to maybe get you to marry her or something similar. Pay attention to what she talks about in terms of what she likes. If she likes luxury goods (like a lot of these girls do), gambling, or worse, drugs, then she just might be playing the long game to get you to give her more money.
[QUOTE=MisterDotD;7435013]Yes, same thing happen with me as well. Let just say I've been in a much better place ever since I discovered K-girls. Right now, I'm also looking for more opportunities to make more money and meet more girls. At the moment, I see about 23 girls a month without hurting my financial goals, but my aim is to eventually see one every week.
I read somewhere on a forum that a gentleman said, "Don't fall in love with a K-girl keep it professional. " I understand that, but lately I've been receiving a lot of special treatment from one, and it's starting to blur the line. So far, it's just been regular dates. I've offered to pay, but she refused. We ended up having amazing sex afterward, with no extra charge. Even when I book her, she lets me stay an extra 3045 minutes. So far, she hasn't asked me for any favors at all.
Has anyone else been in a similar situation? I know I shouldn't fall for it it might just be part of the act but damn, it feels good when one of your ATFs starts treating you special, a true GFE.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7435172]Yes, this comes up so often I think I'm up to 10 PSAs about it. Don't fall in love with working girls, it just doesn't work out 99%. Guys hope for the 1% way too hard and 99 times out of 100 end up the other way. Imagine you see guys buying a 1 in a 100 chance raffle ticket, only they are betting their savings and necks on that ticket.[/QUOTE]Many years ago, when I was single, I was gambling at Commerce Casino and noticed a really attractive young Korean woman playing at the same table. I started chatting with her, cracking jokes to get her attention, and within about an hour we were getting along really well. She didn't drive and usually took taxis everywhere, so I offered her a ride home since she lived near me.
When we stopped by her place, she grabbed a few things and came back to my place. We ended up having incredible sex that night, which turned into a casual relationship that lasted about a year and a half.
To this day, I never asked much about her job. I doubt she was a K-girl, but I suspect she might've worked at a massage place that offered "happy endings. " She never worked past 7 pm And only worked a few days a week. She'd often stay with me five to seven days at a time — leaving when I left for work and coming back when I got home. She never asked for money, just the occasional ride to go shopping or to the casino.
In all that time, I think we went out to eat maybe five times — once for her birthday. Most nights we'd meet at my place, have sex, sleep, and she'd leave in the morning. We definitely liked each other and enjoyed being together, but I don't think love was ever really part of it. Honestly, I don't think that kind of setup could've lasted as long as it did if feelings were deeply involved.
From what I saw, most of these women make great money and live almost like rock stars. It's hard to "tame" someone who's used to that kind of lifestyle unless you can offer the same level of financial security — sometimes even supporting their family.
If you can find a woman to have a casual, mutually respectful connection with, go for it — enjoy the moment. But real love in that kind of dynamic? In my experience, it's nearly impossible.
[QUOTE=MisterDotD;7435013]Yes, same thing happen with me as well. Let just say I've been in a much better place ever since I discovered K-girls. Right now, I'm also looking for more opportunities to make more money and meet more girls. At the moment, I see about 23 girls a month without hurting my financial goals, but my aim is to eventually see one every week.
I read somewhere on a forum that a gentleman said, "Don't fall in love with a K-girl keep it professional. " I understand that, but lately I've been receiving a lot of special treatment from one, and it's starting to blur the line. So far, it's just been regular dates. I've offered to pay, but she refused. We ended up having amazing sex afterward, with no extra charge. Even when I book her, she lets me stay an extra 3045 minutes. So far, she hasn't asked me for any favors at all.
Has anyone else been in a similar situation? I know I shouldn't fall for it it might just be part of the act but damn, it feels good when one of your ATFs starts treating you special, a true GFE.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my craziest story is when I met a c-girl who was only doing it part-time. Kinda like the YZ house girls who are also studying at college at the same time.
So I met this girl a few times, and we eventually started to chat about more personal things. Things like what she was studying in college, and what kind of career she wanted in the future. That's when we found out that we actually had mutual real-life acquaintances in common! That was quite a shock. Long story and I'd rather not go over the specifics, but wow, that was a little awkward.
[QUOTE=MisterDotD;7435013]Has anyone else been in a similar situation?[/QUOTE]As you've heard, pretty much any guy who has been hobbying for a while has been in this situation. Here's how I look at it: It's a thrilling roller coaster ride, with lots of ups and downs. You'll have a ton of fun. But, eventually, the roller-coaster car will crash & burn. You just have to know, that's how it will turn out 99.999999% of the time.
Some guys will claim they know a guy who made it work, living happily-ever-after with his ATF k-girl. To that I say, yeah, but you don't really know what his life is like behind closed doors. A girl who is capable of doing this type of work is also capable of being your worst nightmare. I'm talking Carrie on steroids. Proceed with caution.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, of course. Have fun. Enjoy the ride. Just go in with your eyes open, and be ready to jump before that car crashes & burns.
Since everyone is sharing their stories, I'll share mine. I was in a real relationship with a young kgirl who was only 20 at the time. I was in my mid 20's. This was when bb was not really talked about and was extremely selective. She let me bb on my first visit. I was working at a korean pocha at the time so I would go drunk. There was this one agency that had girls work until 3 to 4 AM and that's literally when my work ended so our time matched well. We were both night owls and we both lived near each other. She lived walkable distance from her work place and I lived walkable distance from her place. On my 2nd or 3rd visit I asked her for her kakao. Initially, she was never going to go out on a date with me, but I showed her a pic of my cat and she really wanted to come to my house to see my cat. We fell in love quickly and after a month, she quit her job for me. She said she was just trying to make quick money and didn't really enjoy the job at all. I would stay over at her place every day and we would have sex twice a day. We would even go to her work place to have sex before her work started. She would tell me a lot of stories about her agency and her roommate / coworker. It was very interesting LOL. We ended up living together for an year, but at the end, things didn't work out for us. I've also taken some kgirls out on dates here and there. There was this one kgirl who came to the states to work briefly and told me how she had a boyfriend back in Korea, but he didn't like sex all that much so she had this job to please her. We would go out on movie dates and stuff. When she went back to Korea, she would message me on kakao, but eventually we lost contact. It's so much more easier if you can speak fluent Korean and if you're decent looking and treat them right. One thing I didn't like is how some girls wanted to end the session quickly because all they wanted to talk. I learned how a lot of these girls get very lonely and want companions, but don't want to be tied down to only one guy. I've also had a Thai girl who would share her personal life stories to me and was really into me, but I wasn't really all that into her.
[QUOTE=MisterDotD;7435013]Yes, same thing happen with me as well. Let just say I've been in a much better place ever since I discovered K-girls. Right now, I'm also looking for more opportunities to make more money and meet more girls. At the moment, I see about 23 girls a month without hurting my financial goals, but my aim is to eventually see one every week.
I read somewhere on a forum that a gentleman said, "Don't fall in love with a K-girl keep it professional. " I understand that, but lately I've been receiving a lot of special treatment from one, and it's starting to blur the line. So far, it's just been regular dates. I've offered to pay, but she refused. We ended up having amazing sex afterward, with no extra charge. Even when I book her, she lets me stay an extra 3045 minutes. So far, she hasn't asked me for any favors at all.
Has anyone else been in a similar situation? I know I shouldn't fall for it it might just be part of the act but damn, it feels good when one of your ATFs starts treating you special, a true GFE.[/QUOTE]I'm not that old, but I had a few bad experiences early on in my mongering career. 100% do not recommend. I'm here so I don't have to wine and dine them in order to sleep with them. Sure I have gotten many advances. Many over time for free if there are no clients after me. Sometimes they take me out to lunch dinner etc. But usually that's because I'm a regular. If you get that for a girl you like, all her regulars are. I always make sure they know there is a fine line. I'm not here for a relationship. I never trade contacts. I always shut that down. Do yourself a favor bro. Live your life separate.