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[QUOTE=Michael1967;5520879]I had one I saw earlier this week. She took me to her home in Issaquah. I took one look at the house and was like, what are you doing this for? After I left, I looked the house up on Redfin it was valued at 1. 4 million and according the KC records she owned it all by herself. I was like, "you got more money than me, what am I paying you for?" She was a little older and a lot of fun.[/QUOTE]If you don't mind, drop me a note with details. Will be kept private of course.

[QUOTE=FantasyManJ;5520789]Don't worry my friend, the unemployment boost ends this weekend. SA will be flooded soon. Also holiday season always brings a large influx of new SBs. Plenty to be thankful for.[/QUOTE]Not worried but just annoyed as I had to put in good work to get her doing everything I wanted. But you're correct, there's already a big influx of young college girls coming back to school after the summer.

GorgeousMarathoner.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9fd9cb85-b6c9-4127-85d8-911e86aeade3[/URL]

TGTBT but figured, I see what the scam was: Allowance for pics first then meet next week. Phone area code was for Nebraska. Initial location was Seattle but a couple of hours later it changed to Alabama.

ann_mei_150
https://www.seeking.com/member/a9b68fa9-76a7-44b1-bd07-b346f6c729fa
This one contacted me and is a picture seller

Yep, same offer, didn't respond, no way do I send funds. Must meet up first.

[QUOTE=Twister100;5523417][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9fd9cb85-b6c9-4127-85d8-911e86aeade3[/URL]

TGTBT but figured, I see what the scam was. Allowance for pics first then meet next week. Phone area code was for Nebraska. Initial location was Seattle but a couple of hours later it changed to Alabama.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HolderSpace;5523489]Yep, same offer, didn't respond, no way do I send funds. Must meet up first.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I feel like responding. Hey, come up with something original with your scam.

[QUOTE=Smuma6;5491922]I second this report on blady95. Chatted her up on SA, got her digits, moved to text, scheduled a meet and greet for coffee at a local place. I show up on time, and she's nowhere to be found and no texts. Ghosted. I was aware of this report by DrTraveler before I scheduled with her, but I figured it was worth a shot since it was going to be a local meeting and my entry point was just thirty minutes of my time and a bit of gas. I did not get any dirty pics or video, though, so I guess it's a wash. Her texts were totally natural and I didn't sense a scam either. We texted over the course of a few days, so she put in a fair amount of effort just to ghost me. So strange. Must love fucking with dudes.

The profile has been active for over three years, I don't understand how she's been getting away with this for so long and I wonder how many guy she's done this too.

Anyway, be alert out there. And if anyone actually manages to ever meet her, I'd love to hear about it.[/QUOTE]Heads up: she has now changed her SA profile to travlnurs95.

South end guys, here's one for ya. DTF and an admittedly a nympho. Olympia was too far for pursuing for me. Never seen anyone ask for pain in the profile either LOL. Be safe out there.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d977833b-5382-441d-b819-dc12a718b16d[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a026f1ba-3188-4982-8d6c-8f81f51665d6[/URL]

Profile pics are of Ida Zeile.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/idazeile/?hl=en[/URL]

[QUOTE=Twister100;5525578][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a026f1ba-3188-4982-8d6c-8f81f51665d6[/URL]

Profile pics are of Ida Zeile.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/idazeile/?hl=en[/URL][/QUOTE]But I would have never have even contacted that girl based solely on the pics. I assume that anyone with professional looking pics is fake but sometimes I wonder if I'm making myself miss out on the really good stuff.

I've done a bit of fucking around with escorts and in massage parlors, but it's not really doing it for me right now. I'm looking into potentially picking up a SB, but this shit is new to me so I've got a couple questions I'd appreciate why'll giving me some insight on.

I guess a basic question is, what sort of allowance are why'll giving SBs? I'm budgeting 1 k // mo for allowances, but I don't know if that will get me anywhere in this expensive-ass city. I know this is down to the individual.

Second, what is protocol on meeting someone for the first time? I'm not as interested in a pay per meet arrangement, especially an initial meet to feel out vibes. This something you all clear up before the first meet, or during?

[QUOTE=Afairma;5525974]...
I guess a basic question is, what sort of allowance are why'll giving SBs? I'm budgeting 1 k // mo for allowances, but I don't know if that will get me anywhere in this expensive-ass city. I know this is down to the individual.

Second, what is protocol on meeting someone for the first time? I'm not as interested in a pay per meet arrangement, especially an initial meet to feel out vibes. This something you all clear up before the first meet, or during?[/QUOTE]There isn't a one-size-fits-all answer to that question. I'll just describe what has mostly worked for me.

Usually I like to have a meet-and-greet at some public place (usually these days that is someplace we can eat and drink and talk outside) before getting down to serious action. I will usually give a girl $50 or $100 for such a meet and greet, but that is strictly a one-time thing. Either we move on to other things or we never see each other again. It can easily go either way.

For our more private meetings, I prefer getting a discreet hotel room. Since I travel to Seattle on business this can work out pretty well. PPM arrangement prices very much depend on the girl, and can be as low as $200 and on up into the stratosphere. For actual longer-term allowances that can vary a lot to. I've had a few that worked out well (a few meetings a month) for $1500/ month, and some more expensive ones that bluntly provided very little additional value and a lot more drama and trauma. Usually I don't expect such an arrangement to last more than about six months.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;5526338]There isn't a one-size-fits-all answer to that question. I'll just describe what has mostly worked for me.

Usually I like to have a meet-and-greet at some public place (usually these days that is someplace we can eat and drink and talk outside) before getting down to serious action. I will usually give a girl $50 or $100 for such a meet and greet, but that is strictly a one-time thing. Either we move on to other things or we never see each other again. It can easily go either way.

For our more private meetings, I prefer getting a discreet hotel room. Since I travel to Seattle on business this can work out pretty well. PPM arrangement prices very much depend on the girl, and can be as low as $200 and on up into the stratosphere. For actual longer-term allowances that can vary a lot to. I've had a few that worked out well (a few meetings a month) for $1500/ month, and some more expensive ones that bluntly provided very little additional value and a lot more drama and trauma. Usually I don't expect such an arrangement to last more than about six months.[/QUOTE]This is exactly my strategy also. Only difference is low-end has been $150 and my limit is $500 total. If she can't host it's usually $400+ room. If she can host, I'll do $500, if she asks (and is worth it).

I quit doing general allowances because after a few payments, they get lazy. They quit texting, make it harder to meet and when you do meet, they try to get in and out as quickly as possible.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3f3a74e6-1c42-4b44-ad9a-56fc1730589e[/URL]

TGTBT? Or gps. One or the other LOL.

[QUOTE=DaCruz6;5526771][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3f3a74e6-1c42-4b44-ad9a-56fc1730589e[/URL]

TGTBT? Or gps. One or the other LOL.[/QUOTE]Most likely fake. The pics are Aspen Ora, porn star.

Google image search is useful in these situations.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5520879]I had one I saw earlier this week. She took me to her home in Issaquah. I took one look at the house and was like, what are you doing this for? After I left, I looked the house up on Redfin it was valued at 1. 4 million and according the KC records she owned it all by herself. I was like, "you got more money than me, what am I paying you for?" She was a little older and a lot of fun.[/QUOTE]Red-headed gal? Yeah, everyone has a kink. I think she got it in a divorce though. Not the same as sustainable income.

I haven't yet, only SA, but I'm curious if anyone has had good luck there? Many of the accounts look legit.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;5526338]There isn't a one-size-fits-all answer to that question. I'll just describe what has mostly worked for me.

Usually I like to have a meet-and-greet at some public place (usually these days that is someplace we can eat and drink and talk outside) before getting down to serious action. I will usually give a girl $50 or $100 for such a meet and greet, but that is strictly a one-time thing. Either we move on to other things or we never see each other again. It can easily go either way.

For our more private meetings, I prefer getting a discreet hotel room. Since I travel to Seattle on business this can work out pretty well. PPM arrangement prices very much depend on the girl, and can be as low as $200 and on up into the stratosphere. For actual longer-term allowances that can vary a lot to. I've had a few that worked out well (a few meetings a month) for $1500/ month, and some more expensive ones that bluntly provided very little additional value and a lot more drama and trauma. Usually I don't expect such an arrangement to last more than about six months.[/QUOTE]Great guide. You should also browse this thread for some easy sure things. Getting the experience under your belt and learning how to weed out the girls that have GPS or online scammers is valuable.

[QUOTE=Rousse;5526812]Red-headed gal? Yeah, everyone has a kink. I think she got it in a divorce though. Not the same as sustainable income.[/QUOTE]Nailed it. Sent you a PM.

[QUOTE=Rjx1234;5526780]Most likely fake. The pics are Aspen Ora, porn star.

Google image search is useful in these situations.[/QUOTE]I know I've said it before, but I don't trust anyone with professional pictures like that.

[QUOTE=Rjx1234;5526780]Most likely fake. The pics are Aspen Ora, porn star.

Google image search is useful in these situations.[/QUOTE]However this is the area where Aspen lives. She's a bikini barista too and is incredibly chill, I know she had an ad on here about a year ago that was valid. Who knows, this might be real.

I just got banned from SA! I've heard you guys talk about this happening but I never thought it would happen to me. I've been a loyal subscriber for so long. How can they do this to me?!

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5529061]I just got banned from SA! I've heard you guys talk about this happening but I never thought it would happen to me. I've been a loyal subscriber for so long. How can they do this to me?![/QUOTE]Because they run their site in a completely deranged way. I found this out the hard way. A lot of girls on there get their premium memberships by working as "moderators" who look at private messages for inappropriate content. So chances are you've met a girl on there who has read all of your private messages. Like any other woman, they can get jealous or just decide you pissed them off and then they will get "even" with you by banning you.

Since as "moderators" they will also see your support email asking why you got banned don't hold your breath on getting any reply, much less one that makes sense.

I know this because I got banned for a completely silly reason literally hours after having a falling out with a girl who was a moderator, and the same girl logged onto SA and showed me messages she could see to and from other users.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;5529086]I know this because I got banned for a completely silly reason literally hours after having a falling out with a girl who was a moderator, and the same girl logged onto SA and showed me messages she could see to and from other users.[/QUOTE]That sucks man. Somehow it is not surprising even though it sounds so scandalous. There is no way that site can moderate such a large board. They have members helping them. A complete conflict of interest but I can actually see big business do that to "save" costs.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;5529086]
I know this because I got banned for a completely silly reason literally hours after having a falling out with a girl who was a moderator, and the same girl logged onto SA and showed me messages she could see to and from other users.[/QUOTE]I don't bother with arguing with some of the real stupid ones, I just block them. I had one a few days ago with some sob story that her car broke down, she left her boyfriend because he was abusive and has no money, no job, no place to live and no car. So, I messaged her and asked her how can I help her and she has some smart ass response, "you see what my problems are, figure it out". So, I'd tried to get some sort of specifics, plus if I'm giving, I want to know what I'm receiving in exchange. I'm not on that site for gratitude. How much money does she want? What do I get in return? Her response again was some smart ass comment that she just told me what she needed, but I can start out by giving her a car. At no point did she even hint that I would get anything but a "thank you". I was going to explain how the site works, then I realized she's just a pain in the ass and blocked her.

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5529061]I just got banned from SA! I've heard you guys talk about this happening but I never thought it would happen to me. I've been a loyal subscriber for so long. How can they do this to me?![/QUOTE]I've been on SA, off and on for 10 years. I have never been banned. About 10 days ago, I received a warning. That is the first warning I have ever received. They did not tell me the reason for the warning; they just talked about their terms of service. They forced me to scroll through a long document containing their rules and terms of service. They also forced me to watch a short video. I have NEVER had an online dispute or argument. I am always polite. I never talk about sexual activity in my messages. Depending on the girl, I will sometimes say "I'm looking for an intimate arrangement" or "I gave my last sugar baby 300 each time she visited". Apparently, one of these statement triggered the warning but I don't know which one.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5529142]... I just block them. ... [/QUOTE]Yes, there are lots of fish in that sea and you just never have time to sort them all out. So if they make it easy for you take advantage of it.

I've blocked arrangement girls for:
[LIST]Outrageously lying about where they are located. (E.G. Instead of George, WA they are in the country of Georgia).[/LIST][LIST]Wanting to sell me pics or videos.[/LIST][LIST]Asking for outrageous amounts of money.[/LIST][LIST]Asking for any amount of money before meeting.[/LIST][LIST]Wanting me to log into some other site so we can chat.[/LIST][LIST]Having too much attitude. First impressions are important and if the first impression you make is that you are a bossy b*tch I'm just not that interested.[/LIST][LIST]If their pictures show they are obviously grossly fat.[/LIST]
And any other reason.

As for that girl who got me banned, I texted her on a Sunday night to reschedule our meeting for that coming Thursday, because I had a family emergency. Monday morning I was about to hop on a plane to deal with that family emergency and she blew up my burner phone with about 100 texts. So I blocked her on the phone and the SA app, and by the time I landed she had banned me.

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5529061]I just got banned from SA! I've heard you guys talk about this happening but I never thought it would happen to me. I've been a loyal subscriber for so long. How can they do this to me?![/QUOTE]I've been banned 3 times LOL, that site is ridiculous makes you pay all that money and if a girl is having a bad day can ban you in a second.

They have banned me in the past and I realized that they are on the hands of women operating the site. I had enough and no longer give them my money. I only have a non paying account to keep up to date with my current babies.

I've noticed they started a very aggressive campaign of 25% and 33% membership discounts. That tells me they are hurting for business. I think it would be great if the majority of us don't pay them subscriptions for a while so they get the message that women operating the site causes abuses of power on their part and hurts their business. Hopefully that will make them be more friendly to male subscribers. I bet a couple of months of male subscribers loss of revenue will help them to reach that conclusion.

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5529061]I just got banned from SA! I've heard you guys talk about this happening but I never thought it would happen to me. I've been a loyal subscriber for so long. How can they do this to me?![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;5529086]Because they run their site in a completely deranged way. I found this out the hard way. A lot of girls on there get their premium memberships by working as "moderators" who look at private messages for inappropriate content. So chances are you've met a girl on there who has read all of your private messages. Like any other woman, they can get jealous or just decide you pissed them off and then they will get "even" with you by banning you.

Since as "moderators" they will also see your support email asking why you got banned don't hold your breath on getting any reply, much less one that makes sense.

I know this because I got banned for a completely silly reason literally hours after having a falling out with a girl who was a moderator, and the same girl logged onto SA and showed me messages she could see to and from other users.[/QUOTE]SERIOUSLY?! I've gone through periods of time on the site where I only message premium members thinking it was from their college email address that they got it for free. Geeeez. I don't think I would want any woman to see the messaging I do on the site before meeting.

Talk about lack of privacy. Is this in the disclaimer / disclosures?

I may stop messaging premium members over this.

[QUOTE=MyNickname;5529797]They have banned me in the past and I realized that they are on the hands of women operating the site. I had enough and no longer give them my money. I only have a non paying account to keep up to date with my current babies.

I've noticed they started a very aggressive campaign of 25% and 33% membership discounts. That tells me they are hurting for business. I think it would be great if the majority of us don't pay them subscriptions for a while so they get the message that women operating the site causes abuses of power on their part and hurts their business. Hopefully that will make them be more friendly to male subscribers. I bet a couple of months of male subscribers loss of revenue will help them to reach that conclusion.[/QUOTE]I also noticed they were pushing a 25% discount on me before they killed my account. What's odd about my banning is that I actually had not messaged a woman on there in quite a while even though my subscription was active. I wonder who complained about me. Even though I agree that a boycott of paying subscription fees will get them to change, but I'm not going to lie. It's such a better option than STG, TNA, or anything else I've seen. I'm definitely bummed out here.

I suspect they are now doing scan of photos in the profiles against photos of people they have banned before and banning the profiles that match.

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5529994]I also noticed they were pushing a 25% discount on me before they killed my account. What's odd about my banning is that I actually had not messaged a woman on there in quite a while even though my subscription was active. I wonder who complained about me. Even though I agree that a boycott of paying subscription fees will get them to change, but I'm not going to lie. It's such a better option than STG, TNA, or anything else I've seen. I'm definitely bummed out here.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b0590d39-ea24-4016-bbe7-f4b60d4b8deb[/URL]

Wants 3000/month.

[QUOTE=Twister100;5530791][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b0590d39-ea24-4016-bbe7-f4b60d4b8deb[/URL]

Wants 3000/month.[/QUOTE]Yeah and I want a farrari and my mortgages paid off. That BTW is the definition of a great deal, when both parties leave happy, but did not get exactly what they wanted when the negotiation started. .

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/02c3f212-a379-4638-a3fa-7acf9541674b[/URL]

[QUOTE=Twister100;5525578][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a026f1ba-3188-4982-8d6c-8f81f51665d6[/URL]

Profile pics are of Ida Zeile.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/idazeile/?hl=en[/URL][/QUOTE]How to find images that are fake. I tried uploading to google image for image search but it doesn't really find matches like insta profiles. Any tips you can share?

[QUOTE=Twister100;5530791][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b0590d39-ea24-4016-bbe7-f4b60d4b8deb[/URL]

Wants 3000/month.[/QUOTE]Or 1000/week for 1 meet, LOL.

This one is 500/meet

https://www.seeking.com/member/3c0e1080-ad4d-4afb-88f8-b26f34b35b62

[QUOTE=BlackMarketBb;5531292]Or 1000/week for 1 meet, LOL.

This one is 500/meet

https://www.seeking.com/member/3c0e1080-ad4d-4afb-88f8-b26f34b35b62[/QUOTE]I looked at her a few times and rejected her. I just can't deal with people that put their political beliefs on display (even if I might agree with them). It generally means they are a pain in the ass.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5531308]I looked at her a few times and rejected her. I just can't deal with people that put their political beliefs on display (even if I might agree with them). It generally means they are a pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but at 25 that's not unexpected. I doubt she'll be doing much taking when we meet, she seems semi-pro.

[QUOTE=BlackMarketBb;5531292]This one is 500/meet

https://www.seeking.com/member/3c0e1080-ad4d-4afb-88f8-b26f34b35b62[/QUOTE]Good God, thanks for the heads up. I was just about to message her. Let us know if you end up talking her down.

[QUOTE=Jy2019;5531226]How to find images that are fake. I tried uploading to google image for image search but it doesn't really find matches like insta profiles. Any tips you can share?[/QUOTE]I find Yandex to be a much better "Search by Image" engine than Google. It has worked for me almost every time AFAIK.