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[QUOTE=JayNTurn;5429925]Insulting?? I have tipped much less than that in the past. I'm sure I've talked about it in one of my posts. If something isn't right with my experience personally, I make sure they know it.
I know it's business. So I don't give much to let them know the business they provide was not good.
In some rare instances I walk straight out without leaving a tip.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is insulting to try to negotiate down from 60 to 20, which is the situation that the original report described.
If you get extras, you should give her a tip, and not tipping at all is a dick move. If she's doing something you don't like (such as staying in the room while you're trying to get dressed), you should address it directly instead of making her guess and then stiffing her.
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AMP adventure
I had to hit three different shops on this adventure. First stop was Angel Baby, rang the bell twice without any answers. So I go down the road a bit to Coco, the place by the golf ball shop, and there was a sticky saying "vacation". I didn't even get out of the car, however as I was departing I noticed another monger pulling up to the door. Didn't see if they had any success. At this point I thought F**k it, I'm going to the next closest place. Ended up on a ferrell pway near a popular gas station and grocery. Was directed to a room and asked to wait 10 minutes. At the start there were a lot of interuptions with mongers coming in after me. Another girl finally showed up to lend a hand to those mongers. I drew a 50 ish with good teasing and inner thigh massage. . 6 to the house left. 5 for a tip because she did an excellent job. Due to her age, I just laid back to enjoy myself, did OTC roaming and didn't try anything else.
Stay safe and don't fall for the GPS.
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Massage Time
"Johnny5."
Sorry your feelings are hurt on her behalf.
I'm glad you can afford to blow 6 anytime you feel like it without knowing what the result or skill is like, but I can't.
Even w / nothing but a massage I still tipped her 20. Feel free to make up the difference as me being broke offends you so very much.
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[QUOTE=VitB6;5440612]"Johnny5."
Sorry your feelings are hurt on her behalf.
I'm glad you can afford to blow 6 anytime you feel like it without knowing what the result or skill is like, but I can't.
Even w / nothing but a massage I still tipped her 20. Feel free to make up the difference as me being broke offends you so very much.[/QUOTE]I don't know why you would think my feelings are somehow hurt. I don't care how much you tip, or how much money you have. I would not be spending my money at massage parlors if I were so broke that $20 or $60 was going to cause a hardship, but we all make choices.
If you want to offer 20 tips upfront every time, no matter what the reason, have at it. But we're on this forum to share information and talk about our experiences. As I and others have said, don't be surprised if you regularly get providers basically telling you to fuck off in response to haggling them down to a really low price. Maybe sometimes you'll get someone to accept it, but even then expect to get a half-assed performance.
I go to AMPs with the expectation of getting off. A standard tip for a HE is 40, and if they ask me how much I'll tip ahead of time I will say 40-60 depending on the situation, because I want to ensure that they do it. Otherwise I would consider it a wasted trip, and for me that just wouldn't have been worth saving $20 over.
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Agree to Disagree
[QUOTE=Johnny5;5441160]If you want to offer 20 tips upfront every time, no matter what the reason, have at it. But we're on this forum to share information and talk about our experiences. As I and others have said, don't be surprised if you regularly get providers basically telling you to fuck off in response to haggling them down to a really low price. Maybe sometimes you'll get someone to accept it, but even then expect to get a half-assed performance.[/QUOTE]Actually this is good news. I will explain.
I will never, EVER haggle to a low price except for FS. If FS isn't on the menu, then she will take what I offer as a tip.
I know what you're thinking. She wants to know how much tip before she goes to work. Ok so in this instance I say no tip. I get up and say "Finished". One of 2 things will happen at this point: she will either beg you to stay because you're ending the massage early (which MMS will not like and take money away from the girl) so she will give your HE without expecting a tip, OR she will let you get dressed, and you walk out not providing a tip. In this case, you win either way as you get a HE at a cheap rate OR you learn which girl NOT to take the next time you come in.
[QUOTE=Johnny5;5441160]I go to AMPs with the expectation of getting off. A standard tip for a HE is 40, and if they ask me how much I'll tip ahead of time I will say 40-60 depending on the situation, because I want to ensure that they do it. Otherwise I would consider it a wasted trip, and for me that just wouldn't have been worth saving $20 over.[/QUOTE]Not a wasted trip to me. See my comments above. These days if I have an itch, I don't mind spending. 6 for the hour and. 1 as a tip (not a benjamin. Just 2 Lincolns). It's a buyer's market since covid hit. Since most, with few exceptions, are not offering FS, then the HE is the name of the game, and it's not worth. 4 in my opinion. Just isn't.
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Tips
[QUOTE=JayNTurn;5442687]Actually this is good news. I will explain.
I will never, EVER haggle to a low price except for FS. If FS isn't on the menu, then she will take what I offer as a tip.
I know what you're thinking. She wants to know how much tip before she goes to work. Ok so in this instance I say no tip. I get up and say "Finished". One of 2 things will happen at this point: she will either beg you to stay because you're ending the massage early (which MMS will not like and take money away from the girl) so she will give your HE without expecting a tip, OR she will let you get dressed, and you walk out not providing a tip. In this case, you win either way as you get a HE at a cheap rate OR you learn which girl NOT to take the next time you come in.
Not a wasted trip to me. See my comments above. These days if I have an itch, I don't mind spending. 6 for the hour and. 1 as a tip (not a benjamin. Just 2 Lincolns). It's a buyer's market since covid hit. Since most, with few exceptions, are not offering FS, then the HE is the name of the game, and it's not worth. 4 in my opinion. Just isn't.[/QUOTE]Wow! I give at least. 1 for a tip on a 60 minute at Massage Envy. You're hard core. I give what I think is fair. I guess we all have differing ideas on that, but I will usually tip. 4 on an HE. Seems fair to me. More depending how far she goes above "average. ".
Bairen.
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[QUOTE=BairenNanhai;5442835]Wow! I give at least. 1 for a tip on a 60 minute at Massage Envy. You're hard core. I give what I think is fair. I guess we all have differing ideas on that, but I will usually tip. 4 on an HE. Seems fair to me. More depending how far she goes above "average. ".
Bairen.[/QUOTE]I've been to about a dozen or so AMPs since covid hit and I've left no tip once (I hear the customer in the room next door got an he but I didn't for some reason). 20 twice when massage was good but the place was legit. And 40-60 everywhere else. The place most convenient to me sees me about once a week or so and they are always happy to see me. They treat me well. They make small talk and we have a mutual understanding of what is expected. In short, they treat me like I'm their favorite customer every time I walk in, but they've never seen more than. 4 HH or. 6 hr tip. This is what works for me and I never leave frustrated.
That being said, do what's working for you and I'll do the same. But I doubt they'll be as happy to see you as they are too see me.
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[QUOTE=JayNTurn;5442687]It's a buyer's market since covid hit.[/QUOTE]This is not currently true. Covid still exists, and maybe things aren't back to exactly the same level that they were before, but the AMPs I frequent have had pretty steady business the past couple of months since things have opened up even more.
[QUOTE=JayNTurn;5442687]Actually this is good news. I will explain.
I will never, EVER haggle to a low price except for FS. If FS isn't on the menu, then she will take what I offer as a tip.
I know what you're thinking. She wants to know how much tip before she goes to work. Ok so in this instance I say no tip. I get up and say "Finished". One of 2 things will happen at this point: she will either beg you to stay because you're ending the massage early (which MMS will not like and take money away from the girl) so she will give your HE without expecting a tip, OR she will let you get dressed, and you walk out not providing a tip. In this case, you win either way as you get a HE at a cheap rate OR you learn which girl NOT to take the next time you come in.
Not a wasted trip to me. See my comments above. These days if I have an itch, I don't mind spending. 6 for the hour and. 1 as a tip (not a benjamin. Just 2 Lincolns). It's a buyer's market since covid hit. Since most, with few exceptions, are not offering FS, then the HE is the name of the game, and it's not worth. 4 in my opinion. Just isn't.[/QUOTE]Going back to what VitB6 did, he directly offered a low tip and allowed her to accept or reject it. He didn't get what he wanted, but I at least respect that he accepted the outcome and tipped at the end. That was not comparable to what you are doing.
Regardless of what you think a HE's "worth" is, you clearly know that a $10 tip would be rejected if you offered it in a straightforward manner. So instead, you're manipulating the situation so that she either accepts your lowball offer, or she not only doesn't get any tip for the 40-45 minutes of work she already put in, but she could get punished for you walking out. That is absolutely insane. Also, to repeat myself, not tipping at all is a dick move (assuming things were otherwise ok -- there are very few situations that would make me consider not tipping).
Anyway, I am pretty much in agreement with Werve's most recent post. I have a rotation of places I visit, and I often end up seeing the same girls multiple times. I have no problem paying a small amount more to ensure the type and quality of service I want to receive. I don't have the time or the desire to play games with providers.
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Seconded
[QUOTE=Johnny5;5446674]I have a rotation of places I visit, and I often end up seeing the same girls multiple times. I have no problem paying a small amount more to ensure the type and quality of service I want to receive. I don't have the time or the desire to play games with providers.[/QUOTE]Agree about having neither the time nor desire for playing games. Seems to me the going rate for the HE tip is about $40. And if the massage is 90 minutes - $60. IF the massage is better than average AND I am planning to ask for her again, I will add an extra $10 so she will remember me.
Just for the record, normal tipping for a legitimate massage is 15% - 20% - so $9 - $12 on a $60 massage. That's would I would expect to tip if no HE is offered.
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Third!
Tipping is a must, I have been going to Healthy massage a lot and it is a legit place with ZERO chance of a HE but the massage is phenomenal and the girls (wendy and dora) are super friendly and I always tip at least 20 sometimes 40 without even a hint of extras because the massage and attitude is so good. When I go other joints where HE or more is available I tip anywhere from 40 on up to? But lets be real, most of the HE places the massage is just a cursory action and not very good so your tip is for the HE not the massage. Bottom line, don't be an "A" hole but don't be a big baller either and if you are an "A" hole don't whine about the girls attitude ya cheap ass!
[QUOTE=Walt234;5446842]Agree about having neither the time nor desire for playing games. Seems to me the going rate for the HE tip is about $40. And if the massage is 90 minutes - $60. IF the massage is better than average AND I am planning to ask for her again, I will add an extra $10 so she will remember me.
Just for the record, normal tipping for a legitimate massage is 15% - 20% - so $9 - $12 on a $60 massage. That's would I would expect to tip if no HE is offered.[/QUOTE]
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I'll also add that the AMP that I frequent the most has never discussed a tip before, during, or after the service. Once, the girl did such a good job that I walked out the door without tipping and she STILL told me to have a good day and come back. I was mortified when I finally remembered when I sat in my vehicle and did a wallet check. I ended up going back inside, tipped larger than I usually do due to the blunder and apologized profusely.
The one time I purposefully didn't tip was at a known spot. It was one of my first AMP visits and I had been lightly rubbing here and there which the provider allowed. 20 minutes in, she said ok finished and walked out the room. I got dressed and exited the room to see her standing there, so I just told her thanks and walked out the door. I tried to go back one other time but drew the same lady so I said nevermind and walked back out and haven't been back since.
[QUOTE=Werve22;5443351]I've been to about a dozen or so AMPs since covid hit and I've left no tip once (I hear the customer in the room next door got an he but I didn't for some reason). 20 twice when massage was good but the place was legit. And 40-60 everywhere else. The place most convenient to me sees me about once a week or so and they are always happy to see me. They treat me well. They make small talk and we have a mutual understanding of what is expected. In short, they treat me like I'm their favorite customer every time I walk in, but they've never seen more than. 4 HH or. 6 hr tip. This is what works for me and I never leave frustrated.
That being said, do what's working for you and I'll do the same. But I doubt they'll be as happy to see you as they are too see me.[/QUOTE]
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Amp
[QUOTE=Werve22;5447465]I'll also add that the AMP that I frequent the most has never discussed a tip before, during, or after the service. Once, the girl did such a good job that I walked out the door without tipping and she STILL told me to have a good day and come back. I was mortified when I finally remembered when I sat in my vehicle and did a wallet check. I ended up going back inside, tipped larger than I usually do due to the blunder and apologized profusely.
.[/QUOTE]I always put 40 on the side table at the beginning. Among other things, that way I don't discover at the end that I don't have as much cash as I thought.
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Gents, where's the go to place for a walk-in therapeutic massage around here. Preferably with back walking, and preferably a fun ending, but not necessary.
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Massage
[QUOTE=Bananaa;5457307]Gents, where's the go to place for a walk-in therapeutic massage around here. Preferably with back walking, and preferably a fun ending, but not necessary.[/QUOTE]Haven't done the back walking for a long time, but most of the places I go to have the rails in the ceiling for it. It would be wise to call ahead and see for sure if you can get the back walking. I expect you will need to do at least 60 and maybe 90 minutes to get it. And maybe only certain ladies will do it.
I've gotten pretty good massages that ended well here:
[URL]https://joyful-foot-spa-asian-massage-open-virginia-beach.business.site/[/URL]
[URL]https://kocomassagespa.business.site/[/URL]
[URL]http://bodyrubsmap.com/ad/18934.html[/URL]
Happy hunting. Be safe.
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Back Walk
[QUOTE=Bananaa;5457307]Gents, where's the go to place for a walk-in therapeutic massage around here. Preferably with back walking, and preferably a fun ending, but not necessary.[/QUOTE]Red Tulip has what you're looking for. You must call first. Lucy does back walk, not sure on the other 3.
Bairen.