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[QUOTE=Libertas;3135147]The world of SB and seeing flatbackers are very similar with very few, but very important differences. As pointed out before, most (not all) of these women aren't seeing 10-200 guys. They're only seeing you, or just 1-4 guys. They also don't see themselves as a flatbacker, so that means different rules applies for them. They screen people and only move forward if they're actually interested / attracted to you. The biggest turn off for them is creepiness factor.

Generally in the world of SB's hotels are paid for by you, not by her (though not always). You can move it to their or your home, but as with any person, escort or not, there are lots of risks involved with that. Discretion is important for a lot of these ladies, so be mindful of that. Appearance and the persona of wealth is critical. A sugar daddy is generally a well off individual, you're not going to sell you're well off if you're rolling up in your 1983 Honda Civic. I'm not saying you have to show up in a Benz, but giving off the impression that you have wealth usually means you're not driving a rust bucket. Same for dress code, I always show up in a button up, tie, watch, slacks, minimum. Usually I show up in a suit and say that I'm coming from a business meeting (which is actually true).

SB's like to make things personal, so I have a fake persona. I use a throwaway name, working in a career that I have knowledge in, but I'm not in. I never give out my personal info or company info, even though it's fake.

As for allowances, the listed allowances are just for show. Most will see you for 200-700 range. There usually isn't a time limit to these meetings. For instance I was with one of my SBs this weekend, she stayed with me from 3 pm until 9 pm for 200. It's a different type of game, a different type of woman, and different type of expectation. Traditional escorts are good for get in and get out, no fuss. SBs are more engaging, so it means more time involved. More gifts, more dinners, but in my opinion the pay off is better. She still leaves me alone, less drug issues (still some), showing up to an appointment and communication is far better (once you establish an arrangement, it can still be dodgy if they're not interesting or still feeling you out).

I've been in this type of field for over 2 years, welcome to answer questions. I prefer it over escorting, but my time and availability is different.[/QUOTE]Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).

I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.

Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.

I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.

Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?

It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.

One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.

Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.

[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3135754]Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).

I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.

Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.

I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.

Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?

It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.

One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.

Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.[/QUOTE]I'll quickly give my viewpoint. 1) They vary. 2) SA seems to have quanity and quality. 3) $69 via credit card gives you a month to browse and categorize. I suspect there are spammers and fakers on there who will never meet you, but have no real proof of that. I recommend it as a less dangerous option. 4) There are SWs on there as well, masseuses and girls looking for boyfriends. Good luck.

One question for the group at large, how do you secure PayPal? I tried once with an alias and it required ssn. Lost a $ gift card because it's half registered under a fake account that I can't activate. But I don't overly trust the built in security as it shows who's paying.

[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3135754]Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).

I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.

Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.

I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.

Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?

It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.

One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.

Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.[/QUOTE]You'll find all types of SBs. Some that want to meet up once a week, some that want to meet up once a month, etc. I've had in the past that wanted to meet up 3-4 days in a row and then cooled off for a few weeks and back at it again. For her she was different, she wanted a monthly allowance so I gave her 600/ month but we met up 4-10 times a month, usually 2-5 hours per time.

The fee is required, you can't message without it and to be honest most of them on there don't like to even message you unless they see that premium tag on your profile. There are scammers and time wasters on the site, you'll have to weed through them and figure it out.

Some see this as income, others see it as an extra to their life. You'll find all types.

You can find much good SB / SD info on this site in the Richmond, VA section:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not/page860[/URL]

Above thread is most helpful if you start reading from the beginning. Thread highlights are indexed here:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3135899]One question for the group at large, how do you secure PayPal? I tried once with an alias and it required ssn. Lost a $ gift card because it's half registered under a fake account that I can't activate. But I don't overly trust the built in security as it shows who's paying.[/QUOTE]I would advise using paypal in the hobby on all accounts. Things I've done in the past - 1) Cash. 2) Prepaid credit card. 3) Just once I opened a bank account in HER name and didn't associate myself with it in anyway. I just deposited money into the account with cash.

You guys who are still using SA, how are you paying for it? I got a Visa prepaid card but it won't go through because it's not usable outside the USA. I can't seem to find any anonymous payment options that are usable internationally. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Gexem;3142679]You guys who are still using SA, how are you paying for it? I got a Visa prepaid card but it won't go through because it's not usable outside the USA. I can't seem to find any anonymous payment options that are usable internationally. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Just call their billing / customer service, they'll process the prepaid card no problems. I pay with a prepaid card every time.

[QUOTE=Libertas;3142853]Just call their billing / customer service, they'll process the prepaid card no problems. I pay with a prepaid card every time.[/QUOTE]What's the number? I looked everywhere on their website, and only found online forms, no number to call. Feel free to PM me a link to the right page, if you have it.

[QUOTE=Gexem;3143056]What's the number? I looked everywhere on their website, and only found online forms, no number to call. Feel free to PM me a link to the right page, if you have it.[/QUOTE]I don't remember it off hand, but I remember getting it support number after I opened a ticket on their website.

I have been on the SA site now for a week or so and its really fun to talk to these ladies and try to make an arrangement. If anyone would like to share info back and forth with me about who is good or bad or share stories, please let me know. We could give each other reviews after we meet some of them. So who have you met on there and how did it go?

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Hello I just have to say long time monger but its getting harder and harder of keeping up with hh for $ and covered. You old timers remember woodland hills fun fun times or playing on the d and going to bettys. Those where the days these girls today so many just don't measure up and very few good ones. Been on the l and d no one playing but most of all car play can't really do car date I wish we had a place to go to play and not on 28th st motel hotel dumps. The old days weren't that bad. To all of you lets b safe enjoy and all of us lets not b paying to much for so little fun.

[QUOTE=FreeNomad;3149626]Hello I just have to say long time monger but its getting harder and harder of keeping up with hh for $ and covered. You old timers remember woodland hills fun fun times or playing on the d and going to bettys. Those where the days these girls today so many just don't measure up and very few good ones. Been on the l and d no one playing but most of all car play can't really do car date I wish we had a place to go to play and not on 28th st motel hotel dumps. The old days weren't that bad. To all of you lets b safe enjoy and all of us lets not b paying to much for so little fun.[/QUOTE]Ah, Betty & Willy's. Those were the days. There was also the Colonel's house, but that wasn't as nice as Betty & Willy's.

[QUOTE=Benz1;3130437]When you speak of long term (mistress?) it also means you are willing to be available for their calls too. They will bring you drama, I need a ride to the doctor, my son needs new shoes and when are you coming to see me? Starts to feel like a wife instead of a mistress. They will be actively seeking your real name and address to gain more leverage in the arrangement.

I had a sweet arrangement. She didn't have a car so it was taking her places like doc, laundry and lunch it was going well until her and her sister were getting evicted from their apartment. There is not room on this forum for the rest of the story. I should have walked away.

So I ask what are you really looking for? My dad told me, the cheapest piece of ass he ever had was the one he paid for up front. You always know what the price is. The very professional NoNonsenseLady NNL explained to me that I'm not only paying for her services but I'm also paying her to leave and only come when called. Most providers are not as wise and professional as the legendary NNL.[/QUOTE]I want somebody who is:

A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.

Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.

Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.

Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.

Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.

Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.

For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.