"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1902816]There was a movie in the 60's about 4 guys sharing an apartment and a girl... Trying to remember the name of it. One of those sex comedy romps, with no sex, popular at the time.

The things an addled and idle mind thinks about.

Happy Hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE]Had an arrangement like that with some buddies. They would use it to meet up for poker games, watching sports together, and fucking young mistresses and MILFS (I assume). That was before it was so easy to track everything and get caught. Those were the fucking days (pun intended)!

LL.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1902816]I do some real estate investing and have often wondered about the business model of buying condo or townhouse (I'm from Atlanta and there's tons still available at foreclosure prices) and then finding a bunch of sugar daddies to use as an FC. The "rent" would be much less than a hotel and there would be no paper trail except Paypal statements. The things I haven't worked out in my mind are schedule and access management, keeping the place clean and neighbor problems with people traffic.

Maybe a lockbox with the key that I can change the access code to every month.

Maid service once a week to do laundry and the SD is responsible for changing the sheets and towels and cleaning up after themselves (kind of iffy).

Travelin.[/QUOTE]Lots of home locks now are key-pad or blue-tooth based and keep an audit trail. Looks better than a lock-box, and you can determine who the last SD was that didn't clean-up.

Perhaps take bitcoin rather than paypal. Less of a trail if the SD has kept his bitcoin wallet "clean".

The difficult part in your proposal is vetting the SD's.but otherwise I like it! .

I'm for it if the numbers work. Anyone have a proforma available to look at the numbers?

I have a 2 BR house which rents for $650 / month. I'm not sure what the utilities are costing the tenants but call the monthly expense $1000 including occasional maid service. That breaks down to $33 / day. A 3 Star Notel I use for my ATF costs $50 with plenty of privacy, an owner who looks the other way when pocketing the cash, and we walk out with the bed a mess. I don't see a big advantage unless the per diem cost is a lot lower.

[QUOTE=LandonR;1902814]Brand new to the game but have read through the majority of the thread.

Met a 19 year old HCB this week for a M&G which turned into a lunch date.

Went on a second date the following day proceeded to some making out, a little tittie action and her giving me a lame HJ and then her watching me finish it. Terms of the arrangement haven't been discussed thus far and no sugar exchanged as I didn't see any services rendered.

Today I get some messages asking for $300 for an expense she has. I decline and say that I'm prepared to pay her a $100 a date once our relationship progresses to the next level. She comes back asking for at least some money for the time we hung out and is put off with the notion of only being paid if we hook up. And I quote;

"so my company on our dates wasn't pleasant? Are you only going to pay me when I touch your penis like I'm some kind of prostitute?"

How to proceed? It seems as if she's agreeable to $100 a visit and she's smoking hot 19 year old.[/QUOTE]Pay the $ for the next date and see how it goes.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1902816]I do some real estate investing and have often wondered about the business model of buying condo or townhouse (I'm from Atlanta and there's tons still available at foreclosure prices) and then finding a bunch of sugar daddies to use as an FC. The "rent" would be much less than a hotel and there would be no paper trail except Paypal statements. The things I haven't worked out in my mind are schedule and access management, keeping the place clean and neighbor problems with people traffic.

Maybe a lockbox with the key that I can change the access code to every month.

Maid service once a week to do laundry and the SD is responsible for changing the sheets and towels and cleaning up after themselves (kind of iffy).

Maybe a little ranch house instead, but more difficult to find in the desired price range in a nice neighborhood in Atlanta.

There was a movie in the 60's about 4 guys sharing an apartment and a girl... Trying to remember the name of it. One of those sex comedy romps, with no sex, popular at the time.

The things an addled and idle mind thinks about.

Happy Hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.airbnb.com/[/URL]

I think you may have some competition.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1903024][URL]https://www.airbnb.com/[/URL]

I think you may have some competition.[/QUOTE]An excellent idea. Put your place on Airbnb, and then place ads here and else where that you're SD friendly. .

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1901342]Big shout out to Smokarz_XO! Got to give my brother his props. He schooled me on a new tactic that landed me two new babies in one day.

Brother Smokarz_XO you the the man!

SubCmdr.[/QUOTE]Brother. You are too kind.

I am still trying to find my ways around the bowl.

Smoke,

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1903023]Pay the $ for the next date and see how it goes.[/QUOTE]Walk away, you're not going to get laid with this girl.

[QUOTE=LuckyLou;1903219]Walk away, you're not going to get laid with this girl.[/QUOTE]She wouldn't be where unless she needed money. Pay the $ let us know.

[QUOTE=JMartinez;1903232]She wouldn't be where unless she needed money. Pay the $ let us know.[/QUOTE]Just because she needs the money doesn't mean she will hold up her end. If you pay her up front you are betting on the come, as they say in Vegas (doesn't mean YOU are going to come).

Way to go! For those who may not know, Literal2 is the father of this thread.

[QUOTE=LandonR;1902814]Brand new to the game but have read through the majority of the thread.

Met a 19 year old HCB this week for a M&G which turned into a lunch date.

Went on a second date the following day proceeded to some making out, a little tittie action and her giving me a lame HJ and then her watching me finish it. Terms of the arrangement haven't been discussed thus far and no sugar exchanged as I didn't see any services rendered.

Today I get some messages asking for $300 for an expense she has. I decline and say that I'm prepared to pay her a $100 a date once our relationship progresses to the next level. She comes back asking for at least some money for the time we hung out and is put off with the notion of only being paid if we hook up. And I quote;

"so my company on our dates wasn't pleasant? Are you only going to pay me when I touch your penis like I'm some kind of prostitute?"

How to proceed? It seems as if she's agreeable to $100 a visit and she's smoking hot 19 year old.[/QUOTE]I assume that you want to give this girl a chance.

Tell her that you did not give her money for touching your penis last date because you did not want to demean her and think of her as a prostitute.

Going to the next level means that you will agree on a meaningful relationship which will of course include sex and an allowance.

Consider floating her $50 to 100 as advance money but be prepared to lose it and have her go dark. Depends on your feel for the situation so to speak.

None of us think advance money is advisable but we all do it from time to time and sometimes it works out.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1903566]I assume that you want to give this girl a chance.

Tell her that you did not give her money for touching your penis last date because you did not want to demean her and think of her as a prostitute.

Going to the next level means that you will agree on a meaningful relationship which will of course include sex and an allowance.

Consider floating her $50 to 100 as advance money but be prepared to lose it and have her go dark. Depends on your feel for the situation so to speak.

None of us think advance money is advisable but we all do it from time to time and sometimes it works out.[/QUOTE]We all try to control our expenses and make our deals solid. But these are women we are talking about and a little risk is part of the game. Just remember it needs to be an amount that you are willing to walk away from. And do not be mad or hurt if she bolts with your money.

A lot of this game is your attitude.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1903765]We all try to control our expenses and make our deals solid. But these are women we are talking about and a little risk is part of the game. Just remember it needs to be an amount that you are willing to walk away from. And do not be mad or hurt if she bolts with your money.

A lot of this game is your attitude.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice guys. She sent another message today asking if I was coming by to drop something off for her. Decided that I'm going to mail her a $50 gift card in the mail. Wasn't the $300 she was looking for but a bit of good faith and well see if I can get the $100 date in the future. She's played this game before. I haven't.

[QUOTE=LandonR;1902814]

Met a 19 year old HCB this week for a M&G which turned into a lunch date.

Went on a second date the following day proceeded to some making out, a little tittie action and her giving me a lame HJ and then her watching me finish it.

Today I get some messages asking for $300 for an expense she has. I decline and say that I'm prepared to pay her a $100 a date once our relationship progresses to the next level. She comes back asking for at least some money for the time we hung out and is put off with the notion of only being paid if we hook up. And I quote;

"so my company on our dates wasn't pleasant? Are you only going to pay me when I touch your penis like I'm some kind of prostitute?"

How to proceed? It seems as if she's agreeable to $100 a visit and she's smoking hot 19 year old.[/QUOTE]First, let me welcome you to the Bowl. You say you have read about half the journal, so you know it is unbelievably rewarding, and unbelievably frustrating, in equal measures.
I'm afraid I must disagree with my friend Brother Fred on this one. To my eye, this looks like an example of the latter, and if I were you, I'd cast my fly elsewhere. Most likely, you will never land this little fish, and if by some miracle you do, it will not be a prime experience. Touching your penis is a cornerstone, I'm afraid, and it's clear she is not committed to the realities of the SB / SD lifestyle. Some of these women, especially the young ones, imagine that they can get the sugar without taking their panties off. Part of that erroneous thinking is created by sheer fantasy, and part by the increasing press the Bowl seems to be getting.

Whatever the reason, she's got a bad attitude, and no matter how hot she is, it will not be fun. My advice would be to turn her aside politely, let her eyes be opened by a few other experiences, and contact her in a month or so, just touching base. She may be more realistic by then, and grateful that you were such a gentleman compared to the douchebags she's met in the interim, and will be more willing to play the game.

Or not. Either way, in my opinion this is a losing situation, and your time is better spent looking for other catches.

Good luck, and keep us abreast of the situation.

Scott.

In the spirit of the bowl, one of the last HYBs I talked to prior to my sabbatical has come back pushing for a meeting. Her pics show her to be my type, a pretty cute spinner 27 yr old looking to be a 7 /8.5/7/? She seems persistent and has a FC that we might be able to play in. She is open to an initial FC meeting sight unseen, no contact requested or mentioned but implied, and the $$ left up to me to be "fair ".

Hoo Boy! I know it sounds too good to be true but if I take the plunge what do you guys think I should donate after the deed? My funds are monitored so it is all I can do to keep my ATF in Chanel. $100 is the most I could go and it would be nice to score some lower rates like some of you studs have been doing.

I don't care if this works but it would be nice to have a cheap fuck buddy on tap in my area. Having said that I don't want to come across as being too cheap. I actually care what they think which is possibly my problem.

[QUOTE=FScott;1903998]First, let me welcome you to the Bowl. You say you have read about half the journal, so you know it is unbelievably rewarding, and unbelievably frustrating, in equal measures.
I'm afraid I must disagree with my friend Brother Fred on this one. To my eye, this looks like an example of the latter, and if I were you, I'd cast my fly elsewhere.

Scott.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with Scottie here.

Even if you pay her 500 to suck your dick, her attitude alone would tell you the experience would be garbage. You be better off paying a SW 20 bucks to clean your pipe. I guarantee you will get a better blow job.

There are way too many pussies out there waiting to be seduced and entertained by our magical cocks that it's not worth another minute wasted on this girl. Move on and find better cookies, they're out there.

Smoke,

My brothers,

After a long, long journey, I am finally in New Orleans, and have made contact with my Obsession. I am bringing breakfast to her apartment tomorrow morning, and she has promised to still be in her pj's when I arrive. Scottie and I are delirious with anticipation, and frankly I am hoping that I will strain something.

Sadly, my SO will arrive tomorrow afternoon, so I need to get all my playtime in before noon. Has anyone died from too many orgasms?

I'll be doing my best to find out.

Adios perhaps or hopefully.

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;1903998]First, let me welcome you to the Bowl. You say you have read about half the journal, so you know it is unbelievably rewarding, and unbelievably frustrating, in equal measures.
I'm afraid I must disagree with my friend Brother Fred on this one. To my eye, this looks like an example of the latter, and if I were you, I'd cast my fly elsewhere. Most likely, you will never land this little fish, and if by some miracle you do, it will not be a prime experience. Touching your penis is a cornerstone, I'm afraid, and it's clear she is not committed to the realities of the SB / SD lifestyle. Some of these women, especially the young ones, imagine that they can get the sugar without taking their panties off. Part of that erroneous thinking is created by sheer fantasy, and part by the increasing press the Bowl seems to be getting.

Whatever the reason, she's got a bad attitude, and no matter how hot she is, it will not be fun. My advice would be to turn her aside politely, let her eyes be opened by a few other experiences, and contact her in a month or so, just touching base. She may be more realistic by then, and grateful that you were such a gentleman compared to the douchebags she's met in the interim, and will be more willing to play the game.

Or not. Either way, in my opinion this is a losing situation, and your time is better spent looking for other catches.

Good luck, and keep us abreast of the situation.

Scott.[/QUOTE]I agree with Scott on this one. When it comes to these types of women. I simply say " I don't like for the allowance / funds to get ahead of the relationship". You could add and "if we can't move both along at the same time, I'm going to have to move along because maybe we are not the best fit". Then if she takes the bait and asks how to keep them in balance, you can then let her know how the panties and money are related and include amounts. I don't see any money upfront in this case as an investment. She's trying to get the most and give the least.

BT.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1904010]In the spirit of the bowl, one of the last HYBs I talked to prior to my sabbatical has come back pushing for a meeting. Her pics show her to be my type, a pretty cute spinner 27 yr old looking to be a 7 /8.5/7/? She seems persistent and has a FC that we might be able to play in. She is open to an initial FC meeting sight unseen, no contact requested or mentioned but implied, and the $$ left up to me to be "fair ".

Hoo Boy! I know it sounds too good to be true but if I take the plunge what do you guys think I should donate after the deed? My funds are monitored so it is all I can do to keep my ATF in Chanel. $100 is the most I could go and it would be nice to score some lower rates like some of you studs have been doing.

I don't care if this works but it would be nice to have a cheap fuck buddy on tap in my area. Having said that I don't want to come across as being too cheap. I actually care what they think which is possibly my problem.[/QUOTE]Go with the $100. It's better to not get caught and run the risk of being seen as cheap. But if you give her a few orgasms and the sex is great the $100 might be perfect. Either way, you can say, "We didn't talk money and this is my normal gift amount". After the sex, then find out what the real desired amount is and you can make a decision the next time if you want to go there.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=JMartinez;1903232]She wouldn't be where unless she needed money. Pay the $ let us know.[/QUOTE]Whatever you do, come back on here and let us know. I am sure we are all curious as to our sugar bowl acumen and it's accuracy.

You have got to see this one. I saw this really hot former SB on SDforme. So I thought lets give it a shot. I sent her a nice polite email. With lots of details and asked for some info and a M&G. Now let me tell you her pic was an easy 10/10 and I do not say this lightly.

So she relies back and says and I quote "can you send me gas money".

I replied back "when and where would you like to meet. And I cannot send gas money but I can pay for your gas when we meet".

Her reply, "mmm its ok you seem cheap have a nice dayyyyyyyy you don't need to write back don't waist your time or mine".

LOL.

Can you believe this? She has been on the site for some time. She put in her profile that she needs her car fixed. I think I am going to reply that "wouldn't it be cheap if I did not want to pay for the gas? I will pay for her gas, but just not up front.

Dodged a bullet on that one. Could you imagine the poor sucker that is going to fall for this?

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1904807]You have got to see this one. I saw this really hot former SB on SDforme. So I thought lets give it a shot. I sent her a nice polite email. With lots of details and asked for some info and a M&G. Now let me tell you her pic was an easy 10/10 and I do not say this lightly.

So she relies back and says and I quote "can you send me gas money".

I replied back "when and where would you like to meet. And I cannot send gas money but I can pay for your gas when we meet".

Her reply, "mmm its ok you seem cheap have a nice dayyyyyyyy you don't need to write back don't waist your time or mine".

LOL.

Can you believe this? She has been on the site for some time. She put in her profile that she needs her car fixed. I think I am going to reply that "wouldn't it be cheap if I did not want to pay for the gas? I will pay for her gas, but just not up front.

Dodged a bullet on that one. Could you imagine the poor sucker that is going to fall for this?

Revvo.[/QUOTE]That has happened to me numerous times.

Had a great night with MsThickness, lasted from 7 pm to 5 am. Gave her $.30. We have agreed on at least $350 per month. Ms HipsnThighs agreed on $450 per month. I can see both as much as I want. MsThickness just turned 21 , but screws like a pro, she watched lots of porn because she was inexperienced and wanted to be able to keep her man.

I have an interesting development. Someone I met when I started as a SD is back in the picture. I texted her to try and start again. She is much more gf like. Late 30's, two kids, divorced. Originally she was not feeling me being married. But after two years of bums, weirdos and guys with performance problems she was thrilled to have me back in the fold (these were not from SD sites). Right now, no established sugar amount as she us fine having someone fun to be around who can screw her good. Once I get the Tiggabounce with her, I will drop one of the others and give her between 500-800 per month into her account.

She us AA, 9/9/9/, about 5'7. Big boobs, nice hips, great butt, athletic with a killer smile. We have had two dates and the affection is escalating slowly, but appropriately. Unlike the first time, I am much more assertive and she is responding great. I will put some funds in her account soon and give it a few more dates before the Tiggabounce.

BugTigg.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1904807]You have got to see this one. I saw this really hot former SB on SDforme. So I thought lets give it a shot. I sent her a nice polite email. With lots of details and asked for some info and a M&G. Now let me tell you her pic was an easy 10/10 and I do not say this lightly.

So she relies back and says and I quote "can you send me gas money".

I replied back "when and where would you like to meet. And I cannot send gas money but I can pay for your gas when we meet".

Her reply, "mmm its ok you seem cheap have a nice dayyyyyyyy you don't need to write back don't waist your time or mine".

LOL.

Can you believe this? She has been on the site for some time. She put in her profile that she needs her car fixed. I think I am going to reply that "wouldn't it be cheap if I did not want to pay for the gas? I will pay for her gas, but just not up front.

Dodged a bullet on that one. Could you imagine the poor sucker that is going to fall for this?

Revvo.[/QUOTE]To each their own but, to me, most of the time when you get a response that idiotic with all of the extra letters and grammatical errors (even if she wasn't trying to scam you), it is not going to be a good experience. Better to have a girl with some brains and some wit.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1905309]Had a great night with MsThickness, lasted from 7 pm to 5 am. Gave her $.30. We have agreed on at least $350 per month. Ms HipsnThighs agreed on $450 per month. I can see both as much as I want. MsThickness just turned 21 , but screws like a pro, she watched lots of porn because she was inexperienced and wanted to be able to keep her man.

I have an interesting development. Someone I met when I started as a SD is back in the picture. I texted her to try and start again. She is much more gf like. Late 30's, two kids, divorced. Originally she was not feeling me being married. But after two years of bums, weirdos and guys with performance problems she was thrilled to have me back in the fold (these were not from SD sites). Right now, no established sugar amount as she us fine having someone fun to be around who can screw her good. Once I get the Tiggabounce with her, I will drop one of the others and give her between 500-800 per month into her account.

She us AA, 9/9/9/, about 5'7. Big boobs, nice hips, great butt, athletic with a killer smile. We have had two dates and the affection is escalating slowly, but appropriately. Unlike the first time, I am much more assertive and she is responding great. I will put some funds in her account soon and give it a few more dates before the Tiggabounce.

BugTigg.[/QUOTE]Looks like you're keeping the babies on a very nice budget.

Way to go.

Smoke!

Since my last report things have gone well, and my rotation appears to be close to full. I reported on my 29 year old white SB last time. I'll call her new age girl. She's a little flaky and a free spirit, hippie type girl, but she's fun to hang with. I have seen her a couple more times since our first meeting and will hold onto her a while. She actually says some things that make me pretty sure she is an UTR kind of girl, but she will spend all day with me and is not always looking for a way to get extra $ out of me, so I'm going with the flow.

I had two M&G's this week. The first was with a little WASP princess. Physically she is 5 feet, about 100 pounds, 22 years old with blond hair and blue eyes, 7/8/7/8. Personality-wise she is the polar opposite of new age girl. She's a recent college graduate; very rational to the point of being a little calculating. She is in the process of breaking off an engagement to her college sweetheart. She has had a SD before, but he moved out of state a while back. We texted back and forth for a few days and then agreed to meet for lunch. The night before the meeting she texted me "maybe after lunch we can go back to your place and see if we have any chemistry". Well, yeah! We had a nice lunch and then two hours of "getting to know you" time that was awesome. I asked what her last arrangement was and she said she was getting 500/ month. I would rather do a per visit, but for twice a week at that allowance I took a chance!. She has agreed to come see me on Monday, so I'll know soon whether I invested wisely.

My last meeting was a 20-year-old sophomore at the local party school. She is from the windy city and seems quite bright. She's not the spinner type at 5'10 with an athletic build. I suspect later in life she might struggle with weight but now she is pleasingly curved. She is also white, with brown hair and blue eyes. She commented on the detail in my intro letter, so thanks to HG for the tips on that. She has stated multiple times that the money is not her primary motivation, saying that she wants experiences and someone more mature than the drunken frat boy type at school. We had a nice lunch and an interesting kiss when I dropped her off. We set our next date for Wednesday and she has implicitly agreed that it will include a trip to the FC. I will have to find some things to do with her outside of the bedroom, but it should be a fun journey. My only problem now is sugar amount. She genuinely seems uninterested in talking about it, but SA is a sugar website and she's a broke college student, so I know it's at least in the back of her mind. Hopefully she won't get cold feet and we can work that out after an afternoon of fun! If she turns out the way I think, I will have three young quality babies lined up, on a reasonable budget, and will focus on keeping them happy for a while. What a life!

So I'm supposed to see MxOxyMoron on Friday morning. I'll pay for the room, but she owes me some time, so no funds will be given, other than gas.

MsCoolSlim replied to my text today. She claims she's through BSing me, I had her send a very nice panty / bra pic to prove it. We are meeting on Monday for dinner.

MsNurse booty wants to meet this week. I can only see here after 8:30 at her place. Not sure if I'm stopping by or not.

MsLilMama has had her availability cut completely off by her GF. Now I can only see here during lunch and I'm not willing to pay the $.30 for the room for 1 hour of sex and some funds for her. Not to mention the last few times, she's been bratty and selfish. So the sex wasn't that good. I even told her about it. She agreed with my assessment and "hoped" she'd be better next time. No guarantees though. Ugh!

Another POT that bailed on me a few months back because she didn't like the over emphasis on sex, replied to my text today. She had been thinking about me a little and is back on SA. Not sure where that is going, but she along with MsCoolSlim are both candidates for 3 to 4 week relationships. They are too flaky to depend on, but too sexy to not get the goodies a few times.

What I don't understand is why I can't just be content. Right now I had MsThickness, MsHipsnThighs and MsShapelyMILF all lined up. Not sure why I'd want to add more to the harem with these others. But it's one way to ensure I'm always getting some goodies.

I really should be seeing one of those 3 on Monday night, instead I'm chasing this super hot spinner with a beautiful face, who's been flaky ever since we met right before my STL trip. Leaving the bird in the hand for the bird in the bush. I think my attraction is the fact that she's not had sex for a long time and I think she's going to be a screamer. Being so small, I love to flip those girls all around, etc. So we'll see how it goes. She doesn't have any real sugar requirements, but will take any help I can give. My kinda woman!

To make matters worse, I've made up my mind to rent a TiggaPad. I placed an ad on CL for a discreet place and I've gotten great response. It will be in the Baltimore area. The place I'm keying on is a high-rise with security, etc. The owner is an older white woman who's rarely home. She was very clear, she doesn't care what I do in my room and she seemed genuinely nice. She's out of town a lot and doesn't expect to be there much. I'll be seeing that place soon. I have another place on hold, not as nice, but a good setup none the less. If I get either place, MsOxyMoron will be out, I'll only be dealing with SBs where I can use my place. All the rest would work with that. To get my money's worth, I need to use it at least 7 times a month. I know for a fact I can use it 6 times a month, I'm working on finding one more day!

BigTigg.

I think this is an important question. When a girl asks this, I think it is a sign of a new SB. Girls who have been around the track a few times don't care. New SB's want to know if you are a player, how you've treated any past SB's, and what to expect from you. The follow on question to "yes, I have" is "what happened to her?" I would welcome insight as to how some of you approach this topic.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1905909]I think this is an important question. When a girl asks this, I think it is a sign of a new SB. Girls who have been around the track a few times don't care. New SB's want to know if you are a player, how you've treated any past SB's, and what to expect from you. The follow on question to "yes, I have" is "what happened to her?" I would welcome insight as to how some of you approach this topic.[/QUOTE]I would say most girls ask this question if they are true SB materiel. They like the fact that you are experienced as this builds confidence in your ability to take care of them. The next question will be why did your past arrangement(s) end. As if all SD relationships are the sweep me off my feet (knight in shining armor) type of experience these princesses in waiting are fantasizing about (and GPS girls demand). Which of course they are not (except when you are in the FC). A simple low drama reply will suffice. Such as "she moved away", "we grew apart", etc.

In my case and other brothers on this thread I believe there is a fascination for the daddy that has multiple babies on board and even more on deck. it has a few advantages.

1. It inspires the competitive nature of these girls.
2. Proves you are a REAL SD.
3. Takes the pressure off them if they have limited time for you.
4. Proves you have prowess far beyond that of mortal men.
5. Keeps them in their place in case they get any big ideas.
6. You are not a player, just a guy with eclectic needs, a busy schedule, and a real need to help out deserving females.

We are philanthropists in the true sense of the word. I never come off as a big shot. I have to struggle a bit financially to help them get ahead. And I make sure they appreciate that.

I haven't posted in a while. I read the thread on a regular basis to keep track of you guys. I didn't do much new hunting over the summer. Too busy hanging out with my wife and kids. The weather up here is only nice for a short time. I have had SB1 in a steady diet for 7 months now. Finally landed SB 2. I like to have 2 in the fold if possible. So here is the status for me.

SB 1 I've been with her for a good stretch she's a solid 8 across the board. Blond, thin, but not a spinner. Nice body. See cups and is good and experimental in bed. She only gets an 8 for performance because her BJ is solid but not outstanding. I've coached her and she still hasn't gotten a whole lot better. She is also still more distant when we are together than I prefer. She is 500 per month plus room. I also give her a gift worth 150-200 per month (hair, nails, spa, store, etc. I usually see her once per week. I posted pics of her back in April I think. So total out of pocket is probably 900-1000 per month.

SB 2 I've met with her twice now. Wow... 9/9/9/9.5 (see pics below). I lucked into her I was talking to a former work friend that had moved away. I've told him that I don't have a desire to leave my wife and kids. But her knows my sex life at home has gone totally downhill since we had our 2nd child. So we keep in touch and talk about sports, women, the normal stuff. He's a young guy (mid 20's). He sent me a pic of her butt, she is his ex GF. I was like wow. A couple of weeks went by. I was talking with him on the phone. I asked him how can I meet her? Or did you just send me the pic so I could drool?? He said he hadn't heard from her in a couple of months. She usually bugged him when she needed money. So maybe she has a steady BF because she hadn't bugged him for money. He asked me if I was willing to help her financially? I said yeah sure I could do that if we can have some real fun. He said he would talk to her. A couple of days later he called me to say she was game. Now I've met with her 2 x in the last 10 days. First meeting was awkward for me as she wanted to meet straight at the FC. Good news I knew I was going to get something. However, my phone conversations a couple of days before I asked her what she was looking for in terms of funds. She just kept saying we'll discuss when we get together. Ughh... That could mean we are miles apart in terms of what was going to go down. She could get really offended but at least I knew she was showing up and she needed some financial help. I confirmed with her via text the morning of and went ahead and booked the room. Now I've met escorts and other SB straight at the FC before but always had a clear understanding of what was happening in terms of fun and $.

So she showed up ...15 minutes late but looking damn good. I told her I felt it was awkward. So we just Sat. Down and talked about what each was looking for. I already had $150 in a card / envelope. I told her I was looking for extended fun in bed including sex. I was looking for making out and just letting things happen. I told her I was looking for something more long term and reliable on both sides. It would be like BF / GF without any drama or pressure. I was picky and a quick wham bam would not impress me and I would not continue with the long term deal if the sex was not very good. I wasn't willing to pay big money per session but it would be steady and better for both us that way. I said I was willing to give her $150. She said she wanted $200. I said sorry all I got is $150 plus I'm good in bed too, I promise you will not disappoint. She was ready to go... So off we went. I met with her again about a week later and things went great again. She is not on any SD site. The first time we got together she said she hadn't been laid in 3 months.

SB 2.

" What I don't understand is why I can't just be content. Right now I had MsThickness, MsHipsnThighs and MsShapelyMILF all lined up. Not sure why I'd want to add more to the harem with these others. But it's one way to ensure I'm always getting some goodies." Big Tigg.

BT, we all know the answer to that question as you do.

The thrill of the chase / hunt / new vaginas.

I am scared shitless, under the microscope and am financially restricted because of that, yet still have my regular ATF. And in spite of all that I am still hunting for a new score (a little bit) . It is what we are wired for, addicted to, and can't avoid. You might as well tell a Heroin addict to "just stop " Can't do it.

ATF is going beautifully. She is a sex hound like me, needs the regular fix, is not greedy (but not cheap either),does not need or want regular contact but does touch base if she doesn't hear from me in a few days, and is in it for the long haul. I am pretty sure she doesn't see others right now (I know, who can ever be sure) ,and is always available when I need her to be. Perfect!

POT #1.

Went dark but I didn't pursue her aggressively because of the above issues. I'm going to forget her

I need / want twice / week tank cleaning but can live with once. ATF would do twice but I can't afford doubling up financially and there is a travel and dining expense involved as well as a significant time commitment which I would enjoy but am too restricted right now.

I met with a 46 YO POT about 10 days ago and we had a good time. Went to the FC on the first visit. She is a divorced fairly wealthy, sophisticated, single, MILF. That is not interested in sugar. Just someone to have a discreet affair with. And we got into the heat of the moment, and I did her bareback two pops. She was very skilled in the bedroom and a lot of fun. But not really my cup of tea.

I am only really interested in younger ones or ones that at least look younger. She had her tubes tied so I was not really worried about pregnancy.

Then about four days later I had sex my wife. It was an unusual and rare sexual encounter. Exactly one day after doing my wife. She started complaining of itching and burning in her vagina. Only at night when she is laying down. No other symptoms she is healthy and feels fine otherwise. Of course my mind started reeling. What the fuck have I done?

I always use a cover. Except this one time. Dammit!

I know the odds are slim. And I am almost certain that it is nothing. But do the brothers on this thread have any insight on this. I am going to call the 46 YO POT and ask her directly and I am going to get myself tested. But I think the time period has been way too short for me to:

1. Incubate.

2. Transmit anything.

Am I wrong? I am not a biologist. And searching on the internet has been very inconclusive since they always talk as if each encounter is a brush with death. And then say go talk with your doctor.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated my brothers.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1906123]I met with a 46 YO POT about 10 days ago and we had a good time. Went to the FC on the first visit. She is a divorced fairly wealthy, sophisticated, single, MILF. That is not interested in sugar. Just someone to have a discreet affair with. And we got into the heat of the moment, and I did her bareback two pops. She was very skilled in the bedroom and a lot of fun. But not really my cup of tea.

I am only really interested in younger ones or ones that at least look younger. She had her tubes tied so I was not really worried about pregnancy.

Then about four days later I had sex my wife. It was an unusual and rare sexual encounter. Exactly one day after doing my wife. She started complaining of itching and burning in her vagina. Only at night when she is laying down. No other symptoms she is healthy and feels fine otherwise. Of course my mind started reeling. What the fuck have I done?

I always use a cover. Except this one time. Dammit!

I know the odds are slim. And I am almost certain that it is nothing. But do the brothers on this thread have any insight on this. I am going to call the 46 YO POT and ask her directly and I am going to get myself tested. But I think the time period has been way too short for me to:

1. Incubate.

2. Transmit anything.

Am I wrong? I am not a biologist. And searching on the internet has been very inconclusive since they always talk as if each encounter is a brush with death. And then say go talk with your doctor.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated my brothers.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Brother Revvo, The possibilities are several with symptoms popping up that quickly after exposure.

1) she might have developed "Honeymoon cystitis " which is actually a yeast infection of the vagina. Get OTC monistat for her and see if that fixes it. BV (bacterial vaginosis) is another easy to treat and annoying but benign. Get a betadine or vinegar douche and try that.

STDs are:

2) Trichomonas causes itching, discharge and odor.

3) Chlamydia and gonorrhea are similar causing discharge. Itch, burn, odor, and later pelvic pain.

The easiest diagnosis is a Dr appointment but the cat will be out of the bag if she has an STD. The Pharmacies have test kits you can buy which will test for the 1st two things. Male testing for all these things is not very reliable unfortunately. Blood tests for HIV, Syph, and HepC are reliable but these symptoms are not related to those things.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1906111]" What I don't understand is why I can't just be content. Right now I had MsThickness, MsHipsnThighs and MsShapelyMILF all lined up. Not sure why I'd want to add more to the harem with these others. But it's one way to ensure I'm always getting some goodies." Big Tigg.

BT, we all know the answer to that question as you do.

The thrill of the chase / hunt / new vaginas.

I am scared shitless, under the microscope and am financially restricted because of that, yet still have my regular ATF. And in spite of all that I am still hunting for a new score (a little bit) . It is what we are wired for, addicted to, and can't avoid. You might as well tell a Heroin addict to "just stop " Can't do it.

ATF is going beautifully. She is a sex hound like me, needs the regular fix, is not greedy (but not cheap either),does not need or want regular contact but does touch base if she doesn't hear from me in a few days, and is in it for the long haul. I am pretty sure she doesn't see others right now (I know, who can ever be sure) ,and is always available when I need her to be. Perfect!

POT #1.

Went dark but I didn't pursue her aggressively because of the above issues. I'm going to forget her

I need / want twice / week tank cleaning but can live with once. ATF would do twice but I can't afford doubling up financially and there is a travel and dining expense involved as well as a significant time commitment which I would enjoy but am too restricted right now.[/QUOTE]I know how you feel my friend, sorta. I have 2 ATF I almost can't afford, just signed a new Playmate, but I may drop her. But still I'm sitting here trying to hookup with this late 20's black MILF. I don't really know why, other than the fact it's new, but hell, I could just call my main ATF, and she would be good to go. (got to take photos, next time I'm with her).

Simple, we are hunter, programed to spread our seed far and wide.

Good luck with the SO.

[QUOTE=PatsFan1;1906023]I haven't posted in a while. I read the thread on a regular basis to keep track of you guys. I didn't do much new hunting over the summer. Too busy hanging out with my wife and kids. The weather up here is only nice for a short time. I have had SB1 in a steady diet for 7 months now. Finally landed SB 2. I like to have 2 in the fold if possible. So here is the status for me.

SB 1 I've been with her for a good stretch she's a solid 8 across the board. Blond, thin, but not a spinner. Nice body. See cups and is good and experimental in bed. She only gets an 8 for performance because her BJ is solid but not outstanding. I've coached her and she still hasn't gotten a whole lot better. She is also still more distant when we are together than I prefer. She is 500 per month plus room. I also give her a gift worth 150-200 per month (hair, nails, spa, store, etc. I usually see her once per week. I posted pics of her back in April I think. So total out of pocket is probably 900-1000 per month.

SB 2 I've met with her twice now. Wow... 9/9/9/9.5 (see pics below). I lucked into her I was talking to a former work friend that had moved away. I've told him that I don't have a desire to leave my wife and kids. But her knows my sex life at home has gone totally downhill since we had our 2nd child. So we keep in touch and talk about sports, women, the normal stuff. He's a young guy (mid 20's). He sent me a pic of her butt, she is his ex GF. I was like wow. A couple of weeks went by. I was talking with him on the phone. I asked him how can I meet her? Or did you just send me the pic so I could drool?? He said he hadn't heard from her in a couple of months. She usually bugged him when she needed money. So maybe she has a steady BF because she hadn't bugged him for money. He asked me if I was willing to help her financially? I said yeah sure I could do that if we can have some real fun. He said he would talk to her. A couple of days later he called me to say she was game. Now I've met with her 2 x in the last 10 days. First meeting was awkward for me as she wanted to meet straight at the FC. Good news I knew I was going to get something. However, my phone conversations a couple of days before I asked her what she was looking for in terms of funds. She just kept saying we'll discuss when we get together. Ughh... That could mean we are miles apart in terms of what was going to go down. She could get really offended but at least I knew she was showing up and she needed some financial help. I confirmed with her via text the morning of and went ahead and booked the room. Now I've met escorts and other SB straight at the FC before but always had a clear understanding of what was happening in terms of fun and $.

So she showed up ...15 minutes late but looking damn good. I told her I felt it was awkward. So we just Sat. Down and talked about what each was looking for. I already had $150 in a card / envelope. I told her I was looking for extended fun in bed including sex. I was looking for making out and just letting things happen. I told her I was looking for something more long term and reliable on both sides. It would be like BF / GF without any drama or pressure. I was picky and a quick wham bam would not impress me and I would not continue with the long term deal if the sex was not very good. I wasn't willing to pay big money per session but it would be steady and better for both us that way. I said I was willing to give her $150. She said she wanted $200. I said sorry all I got is $150 plus I'm good in bed too, I promise you will not disappoint. She was ready to go... So off we went. I met with her again about a week later and things went great again. She is not on any SD site. The first time we got together she said she hadn't been laid in 3 months.

SB 2.[/QUOTE]Awesome pics. Beautiful girl.

I am not sure what I am looking for, but I have two more Pots.

30 year old AA spinner. Cute face, maybe 5'1, less than 100 lbs. Be cups, cute little butt. No place, no job, no car, no kids. Agreed to $100 per meet with no time limits. 8/8/9. We met for about an hour last night. Light kissing, fee feels. She has some hidden curves. She will be in the booty call list. Once I get my place, she will help me get my money's worth.

Second is a 5'10 AA college senior. Beautiful, own place, no car, great personality. We talked on the phone for a few hours last night. She agreed to $600 per month, twice a week. If we became exclusive, I give up my place and get a key to hers, then it goes up to $900.9.5/9.8/10. I am going to try and meet her tonight after my date with MsCoolSlim.

Speaking of. She is feeling pretty bad about being flaky. So I hope to get in some heavy making out tonight. She is also very small, so I hope to get a good test drive of her skills over the next few weeks. She has no money requirements so I will give gas money tonight and probably $100 per date.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=CopperFool;1906298]I know how you feel my friend, sorta. I have 2 ATF I almost can't afford, just signed a new Playmate, but I may drop her. But still I'm sitting here trying to hookup with this late 20's black MILF. I don't really know why, other than the fact it's new, but hell, I could just call my main ATF, and she would be good to go. (got to take photos, next time I'm with her).

Simple, we are hunter, programed to spread our seed far and wide.

Good luck with the SO.[/QUOTE]I totally feel you brothers. I have good quality pussy. But I still look.

Always looking for that fresh new score. And the thing is. It puts me at more risk. This game is dangerous and it pulls you in more and more.

I am going through a huge scare right now. See below.

Moderation my brothers. And I should take that advice.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1906141]Brother Revvo, The possibilities are several with symptoms popping up that quickly after exposure.

1) she might have developed "Honeymoon cystitis " which is actually a yeast infection of the vagina. Get OTC monistat for her and see if that fixes it. BV (bacterial vaginosis) is another easy to treat and annoying but benign. Get a betadine or vinegar douche and try that.

STDs are:

2) Trichomonas causes itching, discharge and odor.

3) Chlamydia and gonorrhea are similar causing discharge. Itch, burn, odor, and later pelvic pain.

The easiest diagnosis is a Dr appointment but the cat will be out of the bag if she has an STD. The Pharmacies have test kits you can buy which will test for the 1st two things. Male testing for all these things is not very reliable unfortunately. Blood tests for HIV, Syph, and HepC are reliable but these symptoms are not related to those things.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Fingers crossed for you Revvo. FredMoore sums it up for you. Ten days is plenty of time to incubate and transmit any number of things. See [URL]http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/std-sti/sti-overview.html[/URL].

The current generation of tests (NAAT) for chlamydia / gonorrhea are very selective and have high sensitivity (TMA has +96% sensitivity). I'd suggest you consider getting tested. That way you at least have some knowledge of the situation. The cost will be around $ to $$ (free if you hit a local public health clinic), and it can be anonymous. Friends have used [URL]stdtestexpress.com[/URL] without complaint. NOTE: If you go to a public health clinic, they'll swab you (gram stain). That will provide the most accurate diagnosis. Online testing is limited to urine tests (NAAT).

The tough part here is keeping cool. Get tested and then you'll know how best to proceed to protect your SO's health and your secret.

Good luck!

I'm getting a warning and a block to usasg from google chrome. It says they found malware in one instance on usasg in a search on 10/21 (today) but this was the only instance in the last 90 days. I'll be interested to see how long they keep the block in place. They allow you to proceed "at your own risk.

Literal2.

Aka "Gramps".