"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1488729]I don't really have a particular form letter or post I use because depending on the day my posts just get randomly flagged and deleted. I just to mix it up and post at different times trying to avoid overzealous moderators.

A few tips though:

- Posts in the CE section will obviously have a far less chance of getting deleted. But you'll also get more spam and replies from pros / UTRs too.

- The dating sections of CL will get you more legit responses, but it may be tough keeping your ad there. Just keep trying submitting at different times if your ad keeps getting flagged. Moderators usually have routines. If your ads are getting through on Monday mornings, then release your ads those mornings.

- This is up to debate, but you don't have to renew your ad every 24 hours or so. As long as you throw in some keywords like "sugar daddy" and "generous', girls will search for those terms (at least in my area). I actually got 5 legit responses to my ad the last day before it was to expire. This tells me girls looking for sugar daddies tend to search for those terms, since browsing is just so overcrowded in the M4W sections.[/QUOTE]Thanks John for the helpful hints. It's been 8 or 9 months since I last tried the CL approach. I think I have a pretty convincing post, but it was so hit and miss and there is so much spam to wade through that I switched to the SD / SB route earlier this year. But there is a definite difference in the type of girl responding to SA versus CL, and to tell you the truth, I kind of miss the CL type. They are a little more down on their luck, a little more accomodating, and definitely easier on the pocketbook from my experience.

Glad its working for you. I think I will post an add today to see what comes from it.

Alias

Hello fellow Daddies,

Just a few random thoughts for another hot summer day.

CL. I've tried it with some success. Most are going to be Nando 1's, but I did hit upon a very pretty. 23 yo spinner several months ago. Unfortunately, after a couple of meetings she found a RL BF and wouldn't cheat for love nor money.

GSP girl. Let her walk! No good can come from trying to talk her down or negotiate with her. Remember the pushing on a string philosophy one of our astute members introduced. I know it's more work, but eventually it will pay off.

I had forgotten how much work this actually is. I've been removed from new baby fishing pools for a good while until recently and evidently I've either forgotten what I thought I knew, or the babies seem to have a different attitude. Almost 100% of Pots want to know upfront the amount of $ugar, and then there was the one who wanted $ugar just for a M&G. I am a persistent s. O. Be. Though and I've actually had a couple of nibbles this morning and a tentatively scheduled M&G with a HYB this afternoon. Hopefully there will be juicy details to follow.

Have a great week in the sugar bowl guys (and Mandy).

Happy trails

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1488942]But there is a definite difference in the type of girl responding to SA versus CL, and to tell you the truth, I kind of miss the CL type. They are a little more down on their luck, a little more accomodating, and definitely easier on the pocketbook from my experience.

Glad its working for you. I think I will post an add today to see what comes from it.

Alias[/QUOTE]Agreed, there is definitely a difference between SA and CL girls. In my brief of experience (just the last 9-10 months) , SA girls tend to be a little more committed to the idea of a SD / SB relationship. It's usually just the dollar amount that is the deciding factor. You got quite a few who are wannabe models and such, so you tend to run into more GSPs. Whereas with CL girls, tend to be a little more down in their luck and as you said can be a little more accommodating. However in my experience they also tend to be more flaky. Since the barrier to responding / posting to an Ad on CL is so low, you got a lot of girls who respond to ads on a lark or out of curiosity. I've had a lot of girls get cold feet on me at the last minute because they're just not ready to cross over into the land of "mutual (compensated) benefits". Add that with all the spam you'll incur, posting a CL is a TON more work than sending messages on SA. For example, I've received way more responses, photos, and exchanged txts / phone numbers with CL girls. But I've still have actually met up with more girls in person from SA. Granted I've been doing SA longer than CL ads, but if you're working with a somewhat decent budget you'll probably score at a higher percentage on SA. Still. The appeal for me lately for CL is that you can find a few girls who are appreciative if you just cover some of their basic bills. They haven't yet read all the sugarbaby blogs and the stories of SBs getting a $5, 000 allowance, new cars, and flying across the world.

Quick Update.

Officially gave up on Chastity SB. She had another moral freakout, so there's no more point in forcing the issue. In hindsight, I should have had a greater sense of urgency when she wanted to meet within the first couple of days of us corresponding. But my schedule was pretty tight that day and I figured it would be easy to reschedule another day. But the iron cooled and she just started self-doubting the whole thing. So remember to try to strike while the iron is hot.

For now, I think I'm just going to focus on Yoga SB and SB5. I really don't have the time or budget for too much else anyway.

I've been meeting up with Nurse SB for a while now (5 meetings so far) and have been to the FC with her steadily since the second date. I meet with her again this Thursday when the warden lets me out of the house. (She has a girls night out to see that new guy stripper movie that night.) I'm really starting to look forward to seeing this SB, even though the sex has not been the knock your socks off variety as of yet. I'm hoping I can still train her to get better and more aggressive with time. I think she is around 26. My question to all of you experts is: Can you teach a SB of that age to be better in the sack? It's in her best interests because if she doesn't improve soon I will eventually start to fish again for another SB.

So what do you guys think. Is she trainable at the age or should I cut my loses and run away at this point?

Alias

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1488729]The dating sections of CL will get you more legit responses[/QUOTE]All I've ever gotten from CL is spam, spam and more spam not worth it imoh

Alias,

In my experience, they are absolutely trainable, as a concept. Whether your particular baby is or is not, only time will tell. You need to be explicit in what you want her to do, and maybe even get your freak on a bit to show her your limits. I have had two babies that started out medium, and I took the approach that I was going to take the lead and instruct them, rather than wait for them to get up to speed, and it unlocked virtually insatiable sex machines. You must remember, we old dudes have been at this a long time, and know a thing or two about the female body and how to access its buttons. If this baby is in her 20's, she probably has not had any partners her own age who last more than 30 seconds, and once they pop, they're done. Thus, they have no idea what we want other than lie back, spread their legs and wait till it's over.

I am oversimplifying, of course, but you get the gist. A number of babies like "dirty talk" as well, and this is a great way to work in some instruction. You might also consider sending her a "list", I. E, stuff you are going to do to her next time you meet, and what you want her to do to you. Be as concrete as possible, and it can be a fantastic method of foreplay.

Good Lord, I'm sounding like Dr. Phil, or is it Dr. Ruth? In any event, they don't have a chance of doing what you are looking for if you don't tell them what you want. They just haven't had as much experience as we have, for the most part.

Of course, this is all moot if she is not a baby you plan on keeping around mid to long term. But if you feel there's potential there, send her the "list", or talk dirty, or show her what you want. What do you have to lose?

Don't forget to write,

Oprah

First of all what is a Nando1? I'm guessing nympho as I have read about 20 pages of this forum, but not 100% sure. What do most of you guys pay per visit with these sbs? I am entering this arena but it seems like a bit more work on the emotional game for these females. I am looking for ones in the 18-25 range. What emotional ploys do you experts think work best on this type? I don't want to spend huge amounts of time wooing them, as I am only looking to hook up with them about once a week. Thanks for any help in advance for any pms or help on here.

Scott,

I appreciate your suggestions and I realize that I have some work to do on this one to create the kind of sex kitten that we all are looking for in a SB. I agree that I can influence some improvements to her overall FC attitude, but also wonder if she will ever be totally up to speed on what I'm looking for. Can you really train that (how to really please a guy) or is it an inborn desire that is intuitive to the right women with the right attitude. I'd like to think its possible because I really like that SB. She make me laugh and seems to truly enjoy our time together besides just getting the paycheck at the end. She has all of the right ASSets to keep me interested for a while, but needs to step up her game in the FC. I would like to think that I can correct that, but I think some women have some other mental barriers that will never let them compete at the top. With some women I've been with over the years, it's the "clean freak" barrier. They will never enjoy giving a BBBJ because they would gag thinking about all of those germs they are coming into contact with. They could never enjoy anal stimulation because " that's so disgusting", they would never think of allowing DATY because they are germaphobic.

My nurse SB is not nearly that restrictive, but she also doesn't get into the act like I would hope so it's either something I'm not doing or something else holding her back. She seems to view it as a pleasant experience, just doesn't seem to have that wild side that we all seem to yearn for.

I will keep trying though for now, and I promise to report any progress.

Alias.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1491220]Alias,

In my experience, they are absolutely trainable, as a concept. Whether your particular baby is or is not, only time will tell. You need to be explicit in what you want her to do, and maybe even get your freak on a bit to show her your limits. I have had two babies that started out medium, and I took the approach that I was going to take the lead and instruct them, rather than wait for them to get up to speed, and it unlocked virtually insatiable sex machines. You must remember, we old dudes have been at this a long time, and know a thing or two about the female body and how to access its buttons. If this baby is in her 20's, she probably has not had any partners her own age who last more than 30 seconds, and once they pop, they're done. Thus, they have no idea what we want other than lie back, spread their legs and wait till it's over.[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

As planned, I took The Naughty Brit sailing today, and it was the fulfillment of a teenage fantasy that I was way too dorky and shy to ever act upon back in my teens when I used to sail all summer. Hot, hot sex on a sailboat in the open air! May I just say, hooray for me?

Now before you all think that I'm an eccentric millionaire, there is a place in one of the harbors here in Chicago that rents 22' sailboats by the hour, and if you can demonstrate that you have some knowledge of sailing, you can take them out by yourself. Back in the day, I was a true harbor rat, and would sail or crew for anyone I could convince to take me on. My goal was to fuck some daughter of some rich dude who owned a boat, but that never happened. Duh, who fucks the hired help, right? On the bright side, I now can sail pretty much anything with a mast, which I suddenly find is a powerful aphrodisiac with the babies.

So I pick her up at her place, and she's looking all fabulous and nautical, and I see evidence of a bikini under her clothes, which makes little Scottie stir from his slumber, and we head down to the harbor. After the whole certification "exam", which basically amounted to them watching me rig the boat and asking me what "come about" means, off we go, into the bounding main! It was a truly gorgeous day, blue sky, warm sun, not too hot, fresh breeze out of the east at about 15 knots, perfect in other words. Enough wind to make the boat cook, but not too much that baby would be scared. I am silently saying a prayer of thanks to the god of the Sugar Bowl as we head out into the lake on a close reach, which as anyone knows is the sexiest of tacks. I am doing my best to impersonate JFK in Hyannisport, or maybe a J Crew catalog page, and I can feel Brit's eyes on me, admiringly, I hope.

After we are about a mile out, in other words, far from land, with no other boats near us, I ask,"would you like to take the tiller?", to which she replies, in her posh British accent,"no, I'd like to fuck you." These are exactly the words Scottie has been waiting for, and he signals his agreement in the only way he knows how. She comes over, pulls her bikini bottoms off, opens my shorts, slaps a cover on Scottie, (which she brought!!) and sits down on my lap, facing me so we could kiss like teenagers. My brothers, this girl has fantastic lips, maybe the best I've ever kissed, and I was in heaven. The water was a little choppy, so there were a few awkward moments, but honestly neither one of us cared. It was, as I have said, the realization of a fantasy that I have been harboring for 35 years, and I'm not sure I will ever be able to look out at the lake again in the same way!

We sailed for about 4 hours, and then went to a fantastic bar and had some beers and artisinal mac and cheese, which is a thing with the younger set, apparently. We sat outside, in the shade, and just laughed, talked, touched and generally basked in the glow of the day. I hope I am not coming across as a puss when I say I have rarely had a more wonderful, enjoyable day than today, and I want to reiterate something I posted a while ago - when you connect with the right baby, this is the Fountain of Youth!

In other news, yesterday I made tentative plans to meet up tomorrow with an old contact, my Irish Cherokee, who I sent an exploratory email to last week, not thinking I would hear anything, and got a very promising series of replies. This is a baby that I was crazy, crazy, crazy for about a year ago, but she got cold feet and bolted. I think if I could connect with her, she would be in the running for my new ATF, although after today, Naughty Brit is certainly looking odds-on.

At present, I am back home, pets are fed, SO is out of town until Friday evening, and I have a nice bottle of chard in the fridge. Life is good.

Peace,

Scott

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1491403]Scott,

My nurse SB is not nearly that restrictive, but she also doesn't get into the act like I would hope so it's either something I'm not doing or something else holding her back. She seems to view it as a pleasant experience, just doesn't seem to have that wild side that we all seem to yearn for.

Alias.[/QUOTE]This is based on my own research of course, but if we were to catagorize sexual freaks by profession, I would puts Nurse at or near the top. I've done my share of mkt research with them, say maybe 12 to 15 of them, and they seem to be the hotest in the sack based on the Varoom-o-meter. I've always quantified it as part of what they experience in their daily jobs, (potential life and death from moment to moment) that has affected how they see and experience things. Most of them have not been germaphobes at all, hence they work around much more threatening germs than may live on a male genitalia or be carried in semen. In fact most of the ones that I recall love the drink; semen that is.

So Alias, I would stick with her and do some digging to find out what flips her switch. If you can uncover that piece of news you may need to start taking some new vitamins yourself. Of course if she just doesn't get into sex that much then there isn't that much you can do about that. I guess. But she hasn't even hit the prime of her life in terms of sexual appetite yet, so I would declare it your duty to help her uncover her inner sexual freak Alias. And of course share all those freaky details with the rest of us here at the clubhouse. Wish you all the best on getting into her deepest carnal sandbox.

PS. I once dated a nurse who when we began dating it was frankly disappointing in the sack. She may have been about 30 yrs old and not highly experienced. Practice did not make perfect, but it surely improved her game. This training certainly made a better experience for the guy she married, who came along right after me, as sher made leaps and bounds in about a 4-5 month time span.

I had forgotten about how hot nurses are as a genre! When I was in college, there was a nursing school right down the road, and my frat would always make a point of inviting them to our parties. My first three-way was with one of those students and her roommate! They were not into each other as much as I was hoping, but still.

Scott

Brothers help me out.

So at the beginning of the month, I decided to let my SA membership lapse. I had gotten enough leads from SA and new prospects from CL to keep me occupied for a while.

But now I've been getting a relative flood of responses to my SA account now that my membership has expired. I have over 20 unread messages sitting in my inbox that I can't access. Ironically (and suspiciously) I wasn't getting this kind of response rate when I had an active membership logging almost everyday and sending messages. Yet when I do nothing and don't login my profile becomes a magnet.

Is this due to some search engine rigging they do to try to re-active accounts by placing my profile at the top of results or is it the girls in my area are starting to get desperate to find a legit SD? I'm noticing the majority of the girls who are contacting me have been on the site for at least a couple of months.

Anyway, I wanted to get your guys opinion on this. Have you guys noticed this same phenomenon on SA? I know other sites blatantly have fake accounts to reel in old members, but from what I can tell most of the girls who contacted me are legit.

So should I stay strong and ignore the temptation to renew? I kinda want to just focus on the two SBs who are currently on my plate. Or is it not a big deal to renew and explore some new SA leads?

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1492163]Brothers help me out.

But now I've been getting a relative flood of responses to my SA account now that my membership has expired. I have over 20 unread messages sitting in my inbox that I can't access. Ironically (and suspiciously) I wasn't getting this kind of response rate when I had an active membership logging almost everyday and sending messages. Yet when I do nothing and don't login my profile becomes a magnet.

So should I stay strong and ignore the temptation to renew? I kinda want to just focus on the two SBs who are currently on my plate. Or is it not a big deal to renew and explore some new SA leads?[/QUOTE]That is common, just wait and tae care of your current leads, then a month or two later there is the new catch to be caught.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1488595]Hugh,

Are you a lurker with intel to contribute? If so, welcome to the Bowl. Wherever you are from, your insights, experience and wisdom are appreciated. Please post up.

Best,

Scott.

PS. Funny name![/QUOTE]I have no intel to contribute on this subject. I'm good with the BP scene and the Baltimore SW tracks.

I do like reading your posts. I'm not sure I have the patience that you seem to have. The reward does sound great!

Fabulous story Scott! I've got that old Dennis DeYoung song going through my head now."Cum Saaaaaiiil away with me!"