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[QUOTE=MrBigshot;3125165]I can't remember ever getting a BJ from a lady with a pierced tongue, but maybe it wasn't memorable. Saying that, is it that much better than the best BJ you have ever gotten without a piercing? You peaked my interest, now I'm going to have to try it.[/QUOTE]The girl still must have skills but yes it makes alot better then with out one. Just going down on a girl with a pierced clit it makes it that much more enjoyable for her.
A question, if I may, mostly for the senior members?
Does USG have (or know of) a member searchable comprehensive database of SPs profiles? I'm guessing the answer is no.
What if.
There was a member searchable referentially tied database that contained the comprehensive, detailed profiles of all SPs? Imagine a service, the "SP Dashboard' if you will that contains:
All of her post history, in all sites (BP, CL, TER, NR, TEM) etc. Complete with date / time up, ad text, pics, date / time down, phone number, email address if applicable, and ad duration.
A corresponding, comprehensive image repository linked to the SP with images showing date of first use, most recent use, flagged fakes, etc.
A corresponding link, if present to the SP's website, if any.
A corresponding SP profile containing info about availability and rates down to day of week, time of day, a comprehensive service menu, indexed links to member ratings in descend date sequence.
Assuming, that this does not exist, what if it could? How big would it need to be before members would be willing to pay a monthly fee for the privilege of its use? What if a bot / web crawler existed that has been collecting BP and CL SP posting history since the beginning of 2016 already? What if a prototype SP image repository existed (no, not your respective cell phones gentlemen)?
Imagine if you could spot candidate UTR SPs just based on the heuristics of their posting history? Or junkies / meth heads based on their posting behavior?
Of any value? Anything that USG would embrace?
[blue]Bubba this is all awesome stuff and you have to have some level of technical expertise to even be able to suggest it. I'm assuming you have been involved in development in the past. Here's the thing. Our rate sheet for advertising is available on the advertising FAQ. Think about the cost of what you're asking then look at our rate sheet, then count the ads.
Man I'd love to have the site you're talking about, it's way beyond our ability at this point. Maybe after BP fails and our classified site takes off.
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[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3125934]A question, if I may, mostly for the senior members?
Does USG have (or know of) a member searchable comprehensive database of SPs profiles? I'm guessing the answer is no.
What if.
There was a member searchable referentially tied database that contained the comprehensive, detailed profiles of all SPs? Imagine a service, the "SP Dashboard' if you will that contains:
All of her post history, in all sites (BP, CL, TER, NR, TEM) etc. Complete with date / time up, ad text, pics, date / time down, phone number, email address if applicable, and ad duration.
A corresponding, comprehensive image repository linked to the SP with images showing date of first use, most recent use, flagged fakes, etc.
A corresponding link, if present to the SP's website, if any.
A corresponding SP profile containing info about availability and rates down to day of week, time of day, a comprehensive service menu, indexed links to member ratings in descend date sequence.
Assuming, that this does not exist, what if it could? How big would it need to be before members would be willing to pay a monthly fee for the privilege of its use? What if a bot / web crawler existed that has been collecting BP and CL SP posting history since the beginning of 2016 already? What if a prototype SP image repository existed (no, not your respective cell phones gentlemen)?
Imagine if you could spot candidate UTR SPs just based on the heuristics of their posting history? Or junkies / meth heads based on their posting behavior?
Of any value? Anything that USG would embrace?
[blue]Bubba this is all awesome stuff and you have to have some level of technical expertise to even be able to suggest it. I'm assuming you have been involved in development in the past. Here's the thing. Our rate sheet for advertising is available on the advertising FAQ. Think about the cost of what you're asking then look at our rate sheet, then count the ads.
Man I'd love to have the site you're talking about, it's way beyond our ability at this point. Maybe after BP fails and our classified site takes off.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. Yeah I guess I do know a bit about development, DB design, web service integration etc. (or perhaps think that I do? I run and manage a couple of my own sites (although all are completely unrelated to the hobby).
One of them has a very similar need for a high performance dynamic, image repository tied to a web crawler. Saw the similarity. That got me to thinking.
The idea's big picture. Its mission so to speak.
A commercial website whose business function is to provide its subscribing members access to a comprehensive set of web integrated tools whose usage can assist them in their informed search for a decent and safe experience. The tools would be consolidated within a series of web pages that I call The Dashboard.
The dashboard v1. 0, is conceptually just that, that users dashboard. They can configure it to filter, track and display the things that are important to them.
At its core is configurable multithreaded heuristics / analytics search engine siting on top of a metadata SP database containing 1) SP profiles, 2) related and linked images (the image repository itself would be a third party cloud service integrated with Tineye, Google, Dropbox, ******, and FB), 3) linked SP ad history via the bots and web crawler and RSL feeds, and 4) SP reviews.
Dissatisfied with the expensive, time consuming, and largely crapshoot process of finding decent providers at a fair price, I tried my own hand at developing an automated technique of analyzing SPs via their ads. It took a couple of tries and a crawler, but it is doable. I've had the crawler collecting MI data from CL and BP since early January.
Then I started refining it.
I have to laugh to myself as I read this only because I have spent the last two years rolling through developer after developer who said they know how to do things and didn't. THEN I log onto here and realize I am surrounded by people who actually understand how to do this stuff. The Irony kills me!
More power to you guys!
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3127170]Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. Yeah I guess I do know a bit about development, DB design, web service integration etc. (or perhaps think that I do? I run and manage a couple of my own sites (although all are completely unrelated to the hobby).
One of them has a very similar need for a high performance dynamic, image repository tied to a web crawler. Saw the similarity. That got me to thinking.
The idea's big picture. Its mission so to speak.
A commercial website whose business function is to provide its subscribing members access to a comprehensive set of web integrated tools whose usage can assist them in their informed search for a decent and safe experience. The tools would be consolidated within a series of web pages that I call The Dashboard.
The dashboard v1. 0, is conceptually just that, that users dashboard. They can configure it to filter, track and display the things that are important to them.
At its core is configurable multithreaded heuristics / analytics search engine siting on top of a metadata SP database containing 1) SP profiles, 2) related and linked images (the image repository itself would be a third party cloud service integrated with Tineye, Google, Dropbox, ******, and FB), 3) linked SP ad history via the bots and web crawler and RSL feeds, and 4) SP reviews.
Dissatisfied with the expensive, time consuming, and largely crapshoot process of finding decent providers at a fair price, I tried my own hand at developing an automated technique of analyzing SPs via their ads. It took a couple of tries and a crawler, but it is doable. I've had the crawler collecting MI data from CL and BP since early January.
Then I started refining it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OrdinaryJo;3127975]I have to laugh to myself as I read this only because I have spent the last two years rolling through developer after developer who said they know how to do things and didn't. THEN I log onto here and realize I am surrounded by people who actually understand how to do this stuff. The Irony kills me!
More power to you guys![/QUOTE]I do not profess or claim to know jack s_ But I am pretty comfortable dinking around. The crawler and the ad history trend analysis were pretty straightforward. Heck, import the data into Excel and do basic macro trending and you can pick out all kinds of pattern based things.
The image stuff is a lot more complicated. The crux of the issue is how to solve the date of the image and the corresponding date that there is publicly available data of that image's first appearance in the public record. Conventional thinking posit that an image is "fake" if it is known to be in use elsewhere in close date proximity to the ad in question that contains it. Google has already solved this problem, but their algorithm is proprietary and they have a monster hashed image repository. Currently, the best the dashboard can do is to display the SP's composite image library, stripped of the non-image crap (warnings, disclaimers, cartoons etc.) and order them in descending date sequence. The filter's controls allow the user to: Include All Images, Include All With Fakes Flagged, or Include Only Non Flagged.
My goal is to have a working beta version by Christmas, or drink heavily.
Question for the membership.
What kind of babies market is there her in GR? I ask because I'm searching for stable, longer term UTR LVP arrangement (s) and I'm not finding much that seems suitable. I'm not abandoning the search so much as I am thinking of expanding where else I look, and how I search. I don't know jack about the baby market and could use some guidance. My preference is a longer term UTR LVP per session arrangement but the candidate pool is pretty shallow. Typically that means the seniors got them all sewed up.
Care to share? Table scraps even?
Sensei Benz. What am I missing / overlooking?
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3129784]Question for the membership.
What kind of babies market is there her in GR? I ask because I'm searching for stable, longer term UTR LVP arrangement (s) and I'm not finding much that seems suitable. I'm not abandoning the search so much as I am thinking of expanding where else I look, and how I search. I don't know jack about the baby market and could use some guidance. My preference is a longer term UTR LVP per session arrangement but the candidate pool is pretty shallow. Typically that means the seniors got them all sewed up.
Care to share? Table scraps even?
Sensei Benz. What am I missing / overlooking?[/QUOTE]Search of this forum for "Seeking Arrangements" should start you in the right direction for what you seek.
[QUOTE=RunDeep;3130029]Search of this forum for "Seeking Arrangements" should start you in the right direction for what you seek.[/QUOTE]Currently there is only one baby on the SA ste for Grand Rapids. We are in Grand Rapids and might need to drive east for more opportunities.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3129784]Question for the membership.
What kind of babies market is there her in GR? I ask because I'm searching for stable, longer term UTR LVP arrangement (s) and I'm not finding much that seems suitable. I'm not abandoning the search so much as I am thinking of expanding where else I look, and how I search. I don't know jack about the baby market and could use some guidance. My preference is a longer term UTR LVP per session arrangement but the candidate pool is pretty shallow. Typically that means the seniors got them all sewed up.
Care to share? Table scraps even?
Sensei Benz. What am I missing / overlooking?[/QUOTE]When you speak of long term (mistress?) it also means you are willing to be available for their calls too. They will bring you drama, I need a ride to the doctor, my son needs new shoes and when are you coming to see me? Starts to feel like a wife instead of a mistress. They will be actively seeking your real name and address to gain more leverage in the arrangement.
I had a sweet arrangement. She didn't have a car so it was taking her places like doc, laundry and lunch it was going well until her and her sister were getting evicted from their apartment. There is not room on this forum for the rest of the story. I should have walked away.
So I ask what are you really looking for? My dad told me, the cheapest piece of ass he ever had was the one he paid for up front. You always know what the price is. The very professional NoNonsenseLady NNL explained to me that I'm not only paying for her services but I'm also paying her to leave and only come when called. Most providers are not as wise and professional as the legendary NNL.
Seeking arrangements can be awesome but it definitely takes work. I met with several before I found one I was interested in seeing on a regular basis. Currently I have a 20 yo Student I see regularly and have since last winter. For starters, they don't see themselves as prostitutes. Some prefer an allowance as opposed to pay for play. Your appearance matters to them (well maybe not all of them) as much as their appearance matters to you. I've heard stories of guys showing up wearing Velcro shoes and sweatpants. I've found if you have a picture in your profile you will get more responses. The picture can remain hidden until you want to shared to with someone. When writing your profile and responding to messages make sure you spell everything correctly and write intelligently. If you sound unintelligent they aren't going to believe you are successful and can afford a sugar baby. Give it a try, you may just find what you are looking for.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3129784]Question for the membership.
What kind of babies market is there her in GR? I ask because I'm searching for stable, longer term UTR LVP arrangement (s) and I'm not finding much that seems suitable. I'm not abandoning the search so much as I am thinking of expanding where else I look, and how I search. I don't know jack about the baby market and could use some guidance. My preference is a longer term UTR LVP per session arrangement but the candidate pool is pretty shallow. Typically that means the seniors got them all sewed up.
Care to share? Table scraps even?
Sensei Benz. What am I missing / overlooking?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Benz1;3130371]Currently there is only one baby on the SA ste for Grand Rapids. We are in Grand Rapids and might need to drive east for more opportunities.[/QUOTE]I counted 9 SBs on the first page of SA using a Grand Rapids zip code today. There are more if you include Muskegon and other nearby environs.
[QUOTE=Otto22;3131917]I counted 9 SBs on the first page of SA using a Grand Rapids zip code today. There are more if you include Muskegon and other nearby environs.[/QUOTE]I've been a member of SA. Off and on for a year. $69 for one month. Some b. S. but some chances for success, as well. Was initiated with a 300 lb faker (nothing like her pic--I split), but next one, took me to a mobile home park for a meeting with a very cute 18 year old--with a kid. She said I was her first guy--and she wanted a certain amount, but settled for half. I had a "blast". She did too and wanted to meet right away. I put it off and she wound up moving out of state.
SA has a lot of GR girls. Who legitimately want an arrangement. Can't be too old looking or out of shape, I guess. Currently having a "getting to know each other"process with a very sexy, but sweet 21 year old. Met a couple times for dates, bought a few small items for her. Text a lot. Should be a nice payoff soon. Will keep posted.
[QUOTE=Grswm;3132210]I've been a member of SA. Off and on for a year. $69 for one month. Some b. S. but some chances for success, as well. Was initiated with a 300 lb faker (nothing like her pic--I split), but next one, took me to a mobile home park for a meeting with a very cute 18 year old--with a kid. She said I was her first guy--and she wanted a certain amount, but settled for half. I had a "blast". She did too and wanted to meet right away. I put it off and she wound up moving out of state.
SA has a lot of GR girls. Who legitimately want an arrangement. Can't be too old looking or out of shape, I guess. Currently having a "getting to know each other"process with a very sexy, but sweet 21 year old. Met a couple times for dates, bought a few small items for her. Text a lot. Should be a nice payoff soon. Will keep posted.[/QUOTE]Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.
[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3134891]Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.[/QUOTE]This is really a function of how far out of your league (if at all) the girl is. Would anyone believe that she would be with you without financial incentive? Good looking, mid 30's professionals are not charged anything close to what a 100 pound overweight 50 something is. The easier it is for you to score decent civis without opening your wallet, the less you will end up paying most SBs.
[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3134891]Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.[/QUOTE]The world of SB and seeing flatbackers are very similar with very few, but very important differences. As pointed out before, most (not all) of these women aren't seeing 10-200 guys. They're only seeing you, or just 1-4 guys. They also don't see themselves as a flatbacker, so that means different rules applies for them. They screen people and only move forward if they're actually interested / attracted to you. The biggest turn off for them is creepiness factor.
Generally in the world of SB's hotels are paid for by you, not by her (though not always). You can move it to their or your home, but as with any person, escort or not, there are lots of risks involved with that. Discretion is important for a lot of these ladies, so be mindful of that. Appearance and the persona of wealth is critical. A sugar daddy is generally a well off individual, you're not going to sell you're well off if you're rolling up in your 1983 Honda Civic. I'm not saying you have to show up in a Benz, but giving off the impression that you have wealth usually means you're not driving a rust bucket. Same for dress code, I always show up in a button up, tie, watch, slacks, minimum. Usually I show up in a suit and say that I'm coming from a business meeting (which is actually true).
SB's like to make things personal, so I have a fake persona. I use a throwaway name, working in a career that I have knowledge in, but I'm not in. I never give out my personal info or company info, even though it's fake.
As for allowances, the listed allowances are just for show. Most will see you for 200-700 range. There usually isn't a time limit to these meetings. For instance I was with one of my SBs this weekend, she stayed with me from 3 pm until 9 pm for 200. It's a different type of game, a different type of woman, and different type of expectation. Traditional escorts are good for get in and get out, no fuss. SBs are more engaging, so it means more time involved. More gifts, more dinners, but in my opinion the pay off is better. She still leaves me alone, less drug issues (still some), showing up to an appointment and communication is far better (once you establish an arrangement, it can still be dodgy if they're not interesting or still feeling you out).
I've been in this type of field for over 2 years, welcome to answer questions. I prefer it over escorting, but my time and availability is different.