Korean Agency BB

I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?

[QUOTE=MauiDiver;5245700]She's always had very mixed reviews. Anybody who decides to see her should keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]Mixed reviews are an understatement.

Nana averages out to a 6.4 performance on TER, and that's even with your three high scoring reviews of her, out of 35 total reviews!

With SA.

Photos: It's her, but P.S. 'ed to trim off excess curves.

Looks: Very cute face, 4'10", amazing natural D's, OK ass, shaven pussy. Pale skin, short and stocky frame. IMO, she's quite chubby and borderline fat. I do love thick and curvy girls but she's out of my preferred rotundity profile. When your hands are beginning to plump up like hers, you are either pregnant, have periphery edema, or overweight.

English: Decent amount.

Attitude: Friendly, bubbly, and aims to please.

Service: Overall above average. She's gung-ho and cooperative on what you want of her. She enjoys breast play and is very proud of her naturals. Easy going personality lends to a very organic session. Audio feedback was decent. Good DFK throughout. BBBJ was good. Not much DT or BLS though. She was engaged in CG. K9 was Ok. Mish was best with her cute face and bouncing tits. BBFSCIP.

Expense: $280.

Repeat: Leaning towards no. Service was good but looks dropping her rating down hard. She would easily be top 5 if she could lose some weight.

With SFK.

Photos: It's her.

Looks: A bit of an exotic face but attractive, nostrils are abnormally angled and sharp (surgery probably), has a constant look as if she's squinting at you with a look of doubt, 5'2", man made C's (a bit on the firm side), little ass but looks decent in K9 surprisingly, shaven pussy. Slender figure with soft curves. Pale skin tone, no tattoos, small birthmark under right breast.

English: A little bit.

Attitude: Flippant and aloof.

Service: Overall below average. Limited LFK, no DFK. She moves on to different position at her discretion and insistence. BBBJ was simple and short. K9 was pretty good as her ass become quite shapely in this position. Mish was difficult in particular because she kept her legs stiff preventing deep penetration. As soon as I CIP, she motioned me to get off and went to clean herself. BBFSCIP.

Expense: $300.

Repeat: For the price and performance, definitely a no. Her service needs an overhaul along with that attitude.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5246560]I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby.[/QUOTE]Funny cause before I dove dick first into this hedonistic hijinx, I've read that exact same sentiment in the book "Hobbying for Dummies."

On a related note, most sessions I just conspicuously place the fun tickets on the dresser, then help myself to the BA to wash my hands and BT. Whether she counts it or not is up to her, but the point is to get it out of the way.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5246560]I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?[/QUOTE]Girl told me that some guys pay with counterfeit bills. They take the donation into the other room and mark it with fake detector pen.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5246560]I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?[/QUOTE]I agree with you here. Asking for donation upfront is not necessarily correlated with bad service. Some of my best sessions happened with upfront donations. I have heard from more than one booker that they have had customers leave without paying so they have the girl ask for beforehand, but if they already know you, likely they'll skip it. Upcharge girls will usually ask for it before, for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5246560]I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?[/QUOTE]My bad for not being more clear. I mentioned it was always a bad sign to me. That's just based on MY OWN experience. I've been in the hobby for about 8 years and I'd say most of the time where I was asked for donation first, the service was not that great. As always, this is just my own experience. Everything in this hobby is YMMV. Just sharing my own experience. Things could be totally different for everyone else.

[QUOTE=PlutoKiller;5246305]This was my post of like 6 weeks ago.

"Well, in recent months she lost a couple of her girls to better paying bookers. Money talks and an extra 100 is an irresistible argument for the girls. Providing good looking girls with a good service attitude for a much lower pay will be the challenge for M. ".

M will have to change her biz model. Sub 300 BBFS is history and she has to take on the better paying competition. M has a huge, loyal customer base and should still be able to offer a better rate than the competitors.[/QUOTE]Loyal customer LOL. Customer will just go wherever the good looking girls are going. If there is a girl I like I will see her doesn't matter which booker she is with. M, B,D or S doesn't matter what alphabet the booker he / she is. Just look at the Hana situation, are the John's more loyal to Hana or M?

Unless this mythical M thing is the only person in Los Angeles that could bring in girls that are 10/10 in looks then we could talk about being loyal to a booker.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5246540]If the point of the trick is to invoke pity and see her more often, then I rather pity the monger that falls for it. Want me to come more often (no pun intended)? Then you need to show and prove it through service. This pricematching shenanigans is deja vu all over again like in the past with Rebecca and Chloe. Hana starts it all off at the $300 mark, then others push up or start at that price. Jealously, envy, and face is damn ingrained in Korean culture and it's a ***** to be caught in the crossfire. Each provider has a right to charge whatever they want and think they can command. However, mongers will ultimately determine if that gambit succeeds or not.[/QUOTE]But the little head down there will prevail. Guys had no complaints about paying Jamie 360 hr well over a year ago and now here we are at 420 hr 2 pop. That ship has sailed and these are the new dates until real new arrivals come. But if 300 with Hana or Ara doesn't satisfy a monger then that guy is one picky dude. They both set a standard for service and attitude. Depending on preference look wise. They set a good standard for the price range. Allie Hana Ara Pepsi well deserving of their rate in today's market.

For all you have visited Ivy, what do you think about her comparing to Allie?

They seem like the same body type or age.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5246563]Mixed reviews are an understatement.

Nana averages out to a 6.4 performance on TER, and that's even with your three high scoring reviews of her, out of 35 total reviews![/QUOTE]

The new KWapvibe Nana? Don't know about. However the real Nana is the Energizer bunny Nana and she spoils most and gets taken for granted. She is built like a gymnast. Young, tight, compact with curves. If she slowed her roll rather than her usual frenetic pace everyone would be happy. Nevertheless, she is still an E-Ticket ride at Disneyland!

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5246560]I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?[/QUOTE]BC is absolutely right. This protocol and has been forever or at least 25 yrs. That I know of personally.

[QUOTE=PlutoKiller;5246305]This was my post of like 6 weeks ago.

"Well, in recent months she lost a couple of her girls to better paying bookers. Money talks and an extra 100 is an irresistible argument for the girls. Providing good looking girls with a good service attitude for a much lower pay will be the challenge for M. ".

M will have to change her biz model. Sub 300 BBFS is history and she has to take on the better paying competition. M has a huge, loyal customer base and should still be able to offer a better rate than the competitors.[/QUOTE]Look I'll be frank, M brought that on herself and it has nothing to do the pricing the model, it has to do with her poor way of doing business. She's way too hard on new clients, practically unprofessional and sometimes downright mean. Terrible communication to anyone who's not already "a regular". She throws new clients who are clearly well vetted in the trash. She's throws out of town visitors right in the trash. She throws local clients who has long list of references in the trash just because they aren't vetted with a very particular set of bookers. For example, I gave that women a stack of all my most personal info, she had my whole life in digital format, I gave her 12 good HX references and 4 k agency references. All this trying to get to Hana. Apparently none of that shit was good enough for her standards. She tells me I'm going to have to first see 3 girls that I have no interest in from either Tom, Gray or Kate. At the time there was nobody on those rosters that interested me and I didn't feel like blowing $660 on ladies I didn't want, just to have the opportunity to blow another 300 on Hana. I personally know so many members who have a story similar to mine. All that good potential business in the trash, for nothing. It's just basic business 101; no matter what industry you're in, the blood lifeline of your success is NEW clients. If you shit all over the new clients because you only want to deal with the old ones then eventually prepare to fail. In Hana's last days with M, there was so many open time slots and days where you could clearly see Hana not getting business dispute being the best damn K girl in the market. M literally being a cockblocker. Also she's the only one with no established website that has the basic info a new client would need to make an informed decision. Literally unprofessional and always shrouded in the shadows like it's some bigass secret society. It's not fucking Fight Club M.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;5246865]Look I'll be frank, M brought that on herself and it has nothing to do the pricing the model, it has to do with her poor way of doing business. She's way too hard on new clients, practically unprofessional and sometimes downright mean. Terrible communication to anyone who's not already "a regular". She throws new clients who are clearly well vetted in the trash. She's throws out of town visitors right in the trash. She throws local clients who has long list of references in the trash just because they aren't vetted with a very particular set of bookers. For example, I gave that women a stack of all my most personal info, she had my whole life in digital format, I gave her 12 good HX references and 4 k agency references. All this trying to get to Hana. Apparently none of that shit was good enough for her standards. She tells me I'm going to have to first see 3 girls that I have no interest in from either Tom, Gray or Kate. At the time there was nobody on those rosters that interested me and I didn't feel like blowing $660 on ladies I didn't want, just to have the opportunity to blow another 300 on Hana. I personally know so many members who have a story similar to mine. All that good potential business in the trash, for nothing. It's just basic business 101; no matter what industry you're in, the blood lifeline of your success is NEW clients. If you shit all over the new clients because you only want to deal with the old ones then eventually prepare to fail. In Hana's last days with M, there was so many open time slots and days where you could clearly see Hana not getting business dispute being the best damn K girl in the market. M literally being a cockblocker. Also she's the only one with no established website that has the basic info a new client would need to make an informed decision. Literally unprofessional and always shrouded in the shadows like it's some bigass secret society. It's not fucking Fight Club M.[/QUOTE]LOL she is hard to get in with but she has no shortage of clients. I don't think this has anything to do with her not having business. I think the girls are going to higher paying agencies sadly. $350 with no upcharge for BBFS might be the best new model for M.