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[QUOTE=BigOne73;4703850]Both escorts and sugarbabies are the exact same thing. Sugarbabies Aren't picking their mains because of their amazing characteristics. It's because a random stranger has put a message in their inbox and they've agreed on a price. They don't care who the guy is. The girls who actually want a long term sugar daddy are going to want to meet you before they agree to a price. There are a couple of genuine sugar babies on there, but most of them are just working girls who will meet you in your hotel. They haven't met you, said they're not picking you for you. They picked a random guy off of the internet who typed the right price amount.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I understand your point. In one sentence you say escorts and sugarbabies are the same thing and in another sentence say that actual sugar babies want to meet you before agreeing to a price.
I think there are escorts that act more like Sugar Babys and "Sugar Babys" that act more like escorts. To me, most escorts are willing to have sex with anyone for the right price and don't want to build any type of a relationship, while genuine Sugar Baby's need to have attraction and chemistry in order to have sex with an SD.
This is an age old argument, like the chicken or the egg. Other than as a means of shaming by SB's and escorts or SD's and John's, I don't know why it matters.
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4703896]I'm not sure I understand your point. In one sentence you say escorts and sugarbabies are the same thing and in another sentence say that actual sugar babies want to meet you before agreeing to a price.
I think there are escorts that act more like Sugar Babys and "Sugar Babys" that act more like escorts. To me, most escorts are willing to have sex with anyone for the right price and don't want to build any type of a relationship, while genuine Sugar Baby's need to have attraction and chemistry in order to have sex with an SD.
This is an age old argument, like the chicken or the egg. Other than as a means of shaming by SB's and escorts or SD's and John's, I don't know why it matters.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right! No matter what title you put on them, they are girls who need to sell their body for money for whatever reason. And that's good enough for me! I love this hobby. Happy hunting!
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4703896]I'm not sure I understand your point. In one sentence you say escorts and sugarbabies are the same thing and in another sentence say that actual sugar babies want to meet you before agreeing to a price.
I think there are escorts that act more like Sugar Babys and "Sugar Babys" that act more like escorts. To me, most escorts are willing to have sex with anyone for the right price and don't want to build any type of a relationship, while genuine Sugar Baby's need to have attraction and chemistry in order to have sex with an SD.
This is an age old argument, like the chicken or the egg. Other than as a means of shaming by SB's and escorts or SD's and John's, I don't know why it matters.[/QUOTE]My last message might have confused you with the autocorrect issue. It's just simply this. Any female who will agree on a price to have sex with a man on the internet, that she has never met is the exact same thing as an escort. Which is 99.9% of the girls on SA who are not platonic. SA is the exact same thing as Eros, except there are also clueless platonic girls on SA who don't understand what it is.
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This is an age old argument, like the chicken or the egg. Other than as a means of shaming by SB's and escorts or SD's and John's, I don't know why it matters.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter at all in the big scheme of things -- the significance of "DTF" in this context, and not necessarily the broader discussion of escort vs SB, was something I had ignored up until now. I've seen girls from SA posted on these threads that are labeled as time wasters, not DTF, etc. That fucked my balls sore an hour after the M&G, and I'm nothing special. I'm quite sure there are girls there who won't even answer my intro post who will find something they like in another SDs pics or profile and fuck them right away. So this indicates to me that there is truly some level of selection happening based on their personal attraction. I'm not really into escorts, so someone else would have to enlighten me on whether this level of selectivity happens with girls who post hourly rates on escort sites?
[QUOTE=DogBert77;4703787]Lots of colleges closing down doe to coronavirus. Should be lots of Sugar Babies and wannabe Sugar Babies looking for something (someone) to do. Anybody seeing an uptkick in supply?[/QUOTE]As you all know, many of the girls work as servers so I'd expect when the tips and shifts dry up, they will be relying more on SA and with new SB joining up. The true financial impact and collateral damage from all this is just starting.
Time to hold firm on the pricing imo.
[QUOTE=BigOne73;4703927]My last message might have confused you with the autocorrect issue. It's just simply this. Any female who will agree on a price to have sex with a man on the internet, that she has never met is the exact same thing as an escort. Which is 99.9% of the girls on SA who are not platonic. SA is the exact same thing as Eros, except there are also clueless platonic girls on SA who don't understand what it is.[/QUOTE]I will agree that any woman that agrees to have sex for a price with someone she has only met through the internet is acting like an escort.
My experience on SA has been very different. Most women I meet do not want to discuss money before a Meet & Greet and many won't discuss money at all, but they will accept what I give them at the end of our first intimate date with no questions. I'm very selective about which SB's I pursue, but the one's I pursue rarely act like an escort at all.
[QUOTE=OliverNP;4703940]It doesn't matter at all in the big scheme of things -- the significance of "DTF" in this context, and not necessarily the broader discussion of escort vs SB, was something I had ignored up until now. I've seen girls from SA posted on these threads that are labeled as time wasters, not DTF, etc. That fucked my balls sore an hour after the M&G, and I'm nothing special. I'm quite sure there are girls there who won't even answer my intro post who will find something they like in another SDs pics or profile and fuck them right away. So this indicates to me that there is truly some level of selection happening based on their personal attraction. I'm not really into escorts, so someone else would have to enlighten me on whether this level of selectivity happens with girls who post hourly rates on escort sites?[/QUOTE]I agree.
I think if you believe all profiles on SA are escorts and treat them like escorts, you will only get responses from escorts. If you treat them like as SB's and want to build a connection before discussing allowance, escorts will avoid you like the plague.
"You catch the fish you bait your line for."
[QUOTE=BigOne73;4703927]My last message might have confused you with the autocorrect issue. It's just simply this. Any female who will agree on a price to have sex with a man on the internet, that she has never met is the exact same thing as an escort. Which is 99.9% of the girls on SA who are not platonic. SA is the exact same thing as Eros, except there are also clueless platonic girls on SA who don't understand what it is.[/QUOTE]When I was still a teen, I met a hot older cougar who had a nice career (early-mid 30's seemed old at the time). She was at a party that (looking back) was age inappropriate, these days we would say she was trolling for cubs. I first fucked her in her house about a week later and it became a regular thing. She would take me for nice dinners, buy me nice clothes, hand me cash on a weekly basis for various things when I would complain, and occasionally give me a hard time about spending her cash with my friends going out hunting other girls. We would joke that I was her personal American gigolo.
It was the best sex I had for the first two decades of my sexual activity. Her maturity, her looks, her behavior, the curves of her body and the thrill of for once having a woman not a girl, her kinkiness, and overall fuck and suck skills were so far beyond what I was getting from girls my age, that I am pretty sure she knew I would have kept fucking her indefinitely -- with or without all the gifting activity. There was something about the raunchiness of the whole situation that made it my favorite secret.
It's just that it probably would have never gotten off the ground without some initial discussion about her helping a young guy out with expenses.
Yet oddly, I never felt like a male escort even with the "gigolo" jokes. I always thought I was just a horny dude who was lucky enough to have access to a hot cougar and her money while it lasted. There is no way I would have fucked someone that wasn't hot, money or no money.
But I think I've learned from these forums that in fact I was an escort and just didn't realize it at the time? Go figure.. lol
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Here on the sugar threads we often see girls listed as down to fuck.
Is that the differentiating factor between an escort and an SB? One fucks random strangers, the other picks her mate?[/QUOTE]Escort -- fucks anyone willing to pay the price of admission. Makes her living by taking cock from the general population.
SB -- Decides to whom to disclose the price of admission, but has a wider audience of men on SA she would not normally meet in every day life. Gets a little something for her willingness to be with someone outside her normal social circles. Is going to take cock a fair amount anyway.
Horny Millenial -- Decides who to fuck, usually in an impaired state at a bar or party, within a population of similar age / interests. Gets nothing other than hazy memories of marginal sex and maybe a pregnancy scare for taking random cock.
Girl Friend -- Decides just to fuck you, partially because she thinks you will be able to provide her with a lifestyle she could not attain on her own or by dating someone less _ in her social circle after she stops doing amazing things to your cock.
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Is that the differentiating factor between an escort and an SB? One fucks random strangers, the other picks her mate?[/QUOTE]Others have said close to the same thing, that there is a continuous spectrum of qualities of girls who sell themselves. At the escort end of the range, they'll have sex with pretty much anyone. The main things that matter are that you pay the money, have decent hygiene, and are not too weird or demanding. Most guys pass those tests, right? At the sugar-baby end of the spectrum, they are more picky about looks and behavior, want to hang out with you, are more expensive, and either exclusive or semi-exclusive. I've been having trouble finding the latter, recently. Either the girl is scared and disappears, or is way too expensive for me, or she ends up being too promiscuous for my tastes. I did manage to find a bargain once (200 ppv, totally exclusive) but have a hard time repeating that magic. I'm sure that some of ya'll are better at this game, though.
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4703966]I agree.
I think if you believe all profiles on SA are escorts and treat them like escorts, you will only get responses from escorts. If you treat them like as SB's and want to build a connection before discussing allowance, escorts will avoid you like the plague.
"You catch the fish you bait your line for."[/QUOTE]I want to second this quote. You get the kind of sugar bowl you are looking for. If I had wanted an escort experience only, I would never have gotten on SA. There were plenty of places to find regular escorts. Also keep in mind that every sugar bowl is local, and this Richmond thread has posts from across the USA. I am in southern California. I read my local thread for specific info, but overall hints work everywhere (the things in the archive thread, how to keep your identity secret, booking rooms, etc.).
With the demise of some regular escort sites, as a veteran of a few years I think there are more regular escorts on SA now. Provided they don't cause LE to get too interested, no harm no foul, just not my interest. I know for a fact that I can find someone 1/2 to 1/3 my age there, though, who wants to have sex w / me for exactly that reason, for her own kinks. To me that is the prize I am chasing. It's real, it's high quality, and it never feels like a transaction. It also fits my budget.
Editing my SA profile to mention I have stockpiled 500 rolls of toilet paper, 10 cases of Pedialite and 10 cases of soup.
[QUOTE=TopGun9;4704537]This virus thing has been keeping me at home, instead of out there banging babies.
Before, you worry about catching Herpes, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, etc. From your babies; now you also have to worry about catching this damn Corona thing from the babies.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OliverNP;4703940]It doesn't matter at all in the big scheme of things -- the significance of "DTF" in this context, and not necessarily the broader discussion of escort vs SB, was something I had ignored up until now. I've seen girls from SA posted on these threads that are labeled as time wasters, not DTF, etc. That fucked my balls sore an hour after the M&G, and I'm nothing special. I'm quite sure there are girls there who won't even answer my intro post who will find something they like in another SDs pics or profile and fuck them right away. So this indicates to me that there is truly some level of selection happening based on their personal attraction. I'm not really into escorts, so someone else would have to enlighten me on whether this level of selectivity happens with girls who post hourly rates on escort sites?[/QUOTE]As a veteran of both the SB and escort worlds I agree and can shed some light on escorts.
I have had no luck with some SBs that I know (from this forum) are banging other guys and vice versa. I have also had some who wouldn't respond to my message at all when they first signed up but after seeing them on the site for months will respond and be DTF. Probably due to not really finding what they are looking for but keep trying new experiences. SBs are selective, some more so than others and some change over time but they are selective.
I have had somewhat similar experiences in the escort world but easily less than 5%. The vast majority of the escorts I have seen have been just that. Show up, pay, fuck, go away. But there have been several that I have seen regularly and over time have become similar to SBs. Hang out, go to dinner, stay in touch regularly, stay overnight without expecting overnight rates, give discounts or the occasional freebie if my wallet is thin, etc. Several of them were well known here in their time. I won't use their real names but LaylaLove, SexyCathy, Bridget Fondles and (to a lesser extent) her friend Bedroom Barbie, a couple others. Some are still friends today even though they are out of the area or out of the game. TBH I believe those experiences are what drove me to the bowl in the first place.
And I have seen them go the other way. One longtime SB whom I met on SA moved in to the escort thing advertising on BP and STG after a couple years and now another year later is a junkie crackhead street walker on Midlo who will do anything with anyone anywhere for next to nothing. She is still a friend (as much of a friend as a junkie can be) and I see her often, making sure she is still alive and trying to get her out of that situation but the sex stopped when she hit the street bc I am not in to that scene. If you read some of my other posts you can figure out who I am talking about.
I think the difference is SBs require there to be physical attraction or an emotional connection. Escorts don't require it but some will entertain it if it happens.
Have fun and be safe!
Anybody really met with this one?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3c8d762d-b4a6-4e08-ab0a-14431d22ea76[/URL]
Seems way to open and keen to meet -- I keep waiting for the scam. But I might meet her to see if real!
SA.