"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4636142]Having a SO myself, you put yourself at the mercy of how careful and discreet the woman is on her end and that's a scary thought. Plus so many stories making the national news about jealous husbands / boyfriends killing their wives and the other men.

Some may disagree, but I tell all POTs that I have a SO right from the start. I need to see how they respond to that, not only by initially saying it's fine but also how they act at a M&G that would indicate they might become a problem later on.[/QUOTE]In the same boat, I put 'Married but looking' on my profile. I just think it's the right thing to do to be upfront about that. Some do prefer it. I also agree, if you are seeing a SB ongoing, she becomes your ally in keeping things under wraps w / your SO.

I'd also suggest trying to negotiate w / a girl in person, especially if you want something ongoing (if the skills are there). By text, you're going to get her 'escort' rate. If she meets you and you have even a little bit of game, she might find herself enjoying your company and / or being attracted to you. Try to push those buttons for why a PYT would be interested in a 'mature' man. Mostly it's the submissive ones, overtly or covertly.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4637451][URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/0ce26604-d0ff-46a8-af34-8d8c082c5dc8[/URL]

Cute girl, available weekdays, prefers PPM, then quoted me 500. No attempts to negotiate lower.[/QUOTE]I messaged a bit with her in the summer. She acted too smart ass for me.

Anyone met this girl? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0355200e-9c0b-4e99-8a52-7d6f166965c7[/URL].

Looks and sounds pro. Chatting her up now.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4638604]In the same boat, I put 'Married but looking' on my profile. I just think it's the right thing to do to be upfront about that. Some do prefer it. I also agree, if you are seeing a SB ongoing, she becomes your ally in keeping things under wraps w / your SO.[/QUOTE]Just to offer a counterpoint and not saying your way is wrong. But I wouldn't let a girl know I was married, and in fact might actively make her think I was single. It reveals an "Achilles heel" and opens the door up for blackmail and extortion.

If things happen to go south with a SB (because we all know these girls are definitely NOT without their issues, each and every one of them), and she knows you're married and she's vengeful, she may use that knowledge against you to extort more money or to get revenge for whatever you did that made her feel wronged or hurt her feelings. We've seen first hand examples of exactly this on this board just recently.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4640123]Just to offer a counterpoint and not saying your way is wrong. But I wouldn't let a girl know I was married, and in fact might actively make her think I was single. It reveals an "Achilles heel" and opens the door up for blackmail and extortion.

If things happen to go south with a SB (because we all know these girls are definitely NOT without their issues, each and every one of them), and she knows you're married and she's vengeful, she may use that knowledge against you to extort more money or to get revenge for whatever you did that made her feel wronged or hurt her feelings. We've seen first hand examples of exactly this on this board just recently.[/QUOTE]There really is no right or wrong answer. If you lie about being married then you have to take your wedding ring off every time and remember to put it back on. You have to come up with other reasons why you can't go out together in public or come over at night (assuming you are fucking around in the town where you live). My mistake was giving the SB too much personal info, a mistake I won't make again.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4640123]Just to offer a counterpoint and not saying your way is wrong. But I wouldn't let a girl know I was married, and in fact might actively make her think I was single. It reveals an "Achilles heel" and opens the door up for blackmail and extortion.

If things happen to go south with a SB (because we all know these girls are definitely NOT without their issues, each and every one of them), and she knows you're married and she's vengeful, she may use that knowledge against you to extort more money or to get revenge for whatever you did that made her feel wronged or hurt her feelings. We've seen first hand examples of exactly this on this board just recently.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with this. Why on earth would I let one of these hot little scamps know anything about my personal life? I don't have a SO, but if I did you can bet your ass I wouldn't ever tell these girls about it.

While I've met some really nice and down to earth girls, like the OP said, they all have their issues and could really benefit from some therapy, not to mention some meds. In fact, if you go to her place, hit the bathroom and check the medicine cabinet.

I actually had one that I'd sometimes have to ask, "love, have you popped your chill pill today?"

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4640123]Just to offer a counterpoint and not saying your way is wrong. But I wouldn't let a girl know I was married, and in fact might actively make her think I was single. It reveals an "Achilles heel" and opens the door up for blackmail and extortion.

If things happen to go south with a SB (because we all know these girls are definitely NOT without their issues, each and every one of them), and she knows you're married and she's vengeful, she may use that knowledge against you to extort more money or to get revenge for whatever you did that made her feel wronged or hurt her feelings. We've seen first hand examples of exactly this on this board just recently.[/QUOTE]I have a completely fabricated 'sugar story', that isn't far from what my real life is, so I can't forget it, but which could never reveal my true identity, where I live, etc. You must maintain operational security vis-a-vis the SB, there are many many postings on here about how to do that. If you never let her know your real identity, it isn't a problem for her to know you have a SO. And, as I said, many prefer that. There's lots of history on this thread on that topic, or what a girl might do to learn your true I'd if you have an ongoing relationship, and she gets sweet on you.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4637990]Sorry about that: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9cdb3e7a-f22c-4b1d-bd1e-400f0a42e172[/URL].[/QUOTE]I've had interactions with her outside of the sb thing. She's a huge piece of shit. She'll also put your conversations on her social media.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4639506]Anyone met this girl? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0355200e-9c0b-4e99-8a52-7d6f166965c7[/URL].

Looks and sounds pro. Chatting her up now.[/QUOTE]Wonder what she looks like without the filters? Guessing it would be a disappointment.

I miss the good old days when makeup was the only way these girls could fake us out. I remember in college my freshman year, I was obsessed with a girl. One day I was at the pool & a girl I didn't know said hi. I then recognized her voice & it was her. Went from a solid 10 to a soft 4 with without the war paint!

Ahh man,

I think I messed up by using the home Wi-Fi possibly.

After a ban.

I registered with a new phone number and email, at home. Seemed to go OK. Aftwe some minutes of playing around, the new account got banned.

I am guessing this is because I am using the same home Wi-Fi.

Dang. Is there an easy, fool-proof way here guys?

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4583148]I have been banned on SA about 5 times. Tinder about 20. Same game but on Tinder no need to worry about a new payment type (the best part of it all).

New IP, VPN or cell data.

No need for a burner on Tinder, I use the TextNow app to register (they will give you a new number if needed about every 14 days).

New name, email and picture if possible. I never link to any social media.

When you are up and running hold back take it easy the first few days on what you write in you profile and pictures you add. Thats when you are scrutinized the most.

Easy into adding more on your profile till you find your sweet spot.[/QUOTE]

Never had a problem with IP on Tinder. New number, new profile, I use the same picture I did before. The first few days you seem to be under more scrutiny tho. My profile is very basic with nothing even remotely suggestive of P4 P or SD stuff. I even stay within my "age" range (50's) and keep my profile hidden so no one can see me. After a few days I add more to my profile to indicate why I am there and dial my search back to 18-28. Just keep trying after all who cares you didn't lose a penny like you do on SA when it happens. I am back up and running in less that 12 hours when they ban me. I am able to grab 2-3 a month off Tinder and Bumble. And these are young non pro's that have never even sold themselves on SA and the like. A few recents I converted off there to selling their bodies to a man is his 50's.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;4642400]Ahh man,

I think I messed up by using the home Wi-Fi possibly.

After a ban.

I registered with a new phone number and email, at home. Seemed to go OK. Aftwe some minutes of playing around, the new account got banned.

I am guessing this is because I am using the same home Wi-Fi.

Dang. Is there an easy, fool-proof way here guys?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FTP1999;4642400]Ahh man,

I think I messed up by using the home Wi-Fi possibly.
After a ban.
I registered with a new phone number and email, at home. Seemed to go OK. Aftwe some minutes of playing around, the new account got banned.
I am guessing this is because I am using the same home Wi-Fi.
Dang. Is there an easy, fool-proof way here guys?[/QUOTE]What are the reasons Tinder is banning folks in the first place? I've been thinking of venturing into that territory. But if its going to be a PITA.

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4631936]Guess I will chime in. Short rant. Prepaying and WK'ing on here will never stop. Just move on. Is what it is. Day after day on here, city after city you can read the stories. Guys will prepay and send money for pics, vids, used panties, gas money, dinner etc. And get ripped off. Just read the post's. Nothing you / we post will change that. They have to learn the hard way. No need to complain about why so many girls are scamming on these sites. You have your answer every time you read about another guy paying for online shit or M&G and getting scammed. These girl's (guy's probably) can make several hundred dollars a week (or more) and never have to be touched or seen in person.[/QUOTE]This is unfortunately true. I mean, with the info in this thread about what not to do and how to conduct business on SA, which is an amazing resource, if people are getting ripped off then there's no hope for some other than the experience of getting ripped off LOL. I'm getting car quickies from 21 yo coeds for what guys are paying for pics.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4642708]This is unfortunately true. I mean, with the info in this thread about what not to do and how to conduct business on SA, which is an amazing resource, if people are getting ripped off then there's no hope for some other than the experience of getting ripped off LOL. I'm getting car quickies from 21 yo coeds for what guys are paying for pics.[/QUOTE]I guess a lead in, (haha) but this one has been such a waste of time for me. Chatted with her on the site for a little while to then moved on to text. One on text she asked me to send her money for "sexy pics and videos of me"being bad" and promisd she was worth it until we meet. Yeah right. Haven't heard anything since I refused to send her anything up front.

Tinder will ban men in their 50's like me trying to buy an 18 yo's pussy running a SD profile yes. It happens when a girl (s) report my profile sir yea. A pita and some work of course. But isn't SA? And I am not paying 90 a month for this. And when they ban my profile I didn't get ripped off like SA. I just get a new free profile. These are all young girls I met and fucked off Tinder and Bumble. And I am 58.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4642691]What are the reasons Tinder is banning folks in the first place? I've been thinking of venturing into that territory. But if its going to be a PITA.[/QUOTE]