Streetwalker Reports

[QUOTE=TrueNoob 86; 1515732]Just out of sheer curiosity, has anyone ever hung around Center City around 12:30-2am? Depending on how lucky I get with something, I may have a job working night shift soon. I mean if you've read my post, you know I'm completely new. (Hence the name True Noob) I thought I'd start by just testing the 22 rules, by walking around seeing if I can I'd possible SWs and / or watch the stroll. I do not have any plans to attempt to solicit anything, I'm just really interested.

Also if I may, what got everyone else interested in "the hobby"? For me, it's because in all likelihood a normal relationship is not likely, but thankfully humans have developed alternative methods of relationships for the less fortunate.[/QUOTE]The action in Center City is indoors, in the clubs and bars where normal people impress women with their looks and personality, not with a monetary offering. Be aware you'll run into men seeking men if you are in the 13th & Locust area. CookyJar, in his "alternative" life, used to hang out at the hotel near 16th & Catherine, but that street is all residential now. For normal paid action in Center City pick up the free weekly City Paper and find the ads for massage parlors, many of which are in the Vine & Race street area.

[QUOTE=UrbanBook; 1514030]This is the second time in the past two months I google searched a name and found an obituary. I assume it was drug related. It seems like those a* holes that want to steal your wallet and all kind of other under handed s*t stay out there for ever but the ones that are still decent human beings regardless to the life style they live are taken away. Maybe it's gods way of saying "your too nice for this, I'm bringing you home"

[ATTACH=CONFIG]191647[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]More times than I like to remember there have been reports of girls on the Ave passing away. Some have been close and others I knew just in passing. No matter it's a very sad day when I read of a girl like Michelle losing her struggle with life on the infamous Ave. I often wonder if those of us who know these girls are the only ones that truly care about losing them. There are those girls that don't really belong on the Ave. Michelle is one of those girls. She was prettier than the average girl on the streets. One could tell she had pride in herself. She was always clean and pleasant. She would sit in one of her dresses usually on Huntingdon on the church steps. Watching the traffic go by almost hoping she would not be noticed. Yet she was very aware how badly she needed the few dollars she could make. She didn't like what she had to do to survive. None of the girls do. But they are thrust into a world that is so much bigger than they are and when they finally realize that, it is usually to late. What they do they have to do to survive. The mean streets will chew them up and and look for the next victim. It doesn't take very long. What many may not have known is that Michelle was working even though she knew she was sick. Just prior to her passing we were together. I cupped her face to kiss her goodbye which is what we always did. She cringed in excruciating pain. I remember thinking Oh My God what have I done. I told her how sorry I was that I had hurt her and she said it wasn't my fault. Then she showed me what appeared to be a large abscess about the size of my thumb under her hair. It was not a pleasant sight at all. That was a Saturday. I told her it looked very serious and she should try to get it looked at as soon as possible. The next day, Sunday she texted me that she took my advice and she was in the hospital. That is the last I heard of her. In the past few days two friends asked me if I knew what had happened to her. Without thinking I told them I was unaware anything had happened to her. All three of us thought at first it was the drugs that took her. But now in hindsight I wonder if it was the condition that I saw that that took this lovely girl from us.

No matter, she is now gone. It is my responsibility to this community and most of all to her, to make all those who read this aware that there is a very good possibility she did not die of drugs as so many do. I say this without knowing the cause of her death. But knowing the condition of her health, the possibility lies that she may have escaped a drug overdose and just simply passed away due to other circumstances. Should anybody have any info regarding this please share it with those of us that truly care what happens to the girls out there.

To Michelle you were an angel while you was with us and you will be missed greatly.

[QUOTE=Gator145; 1516244]More times than I like to remember there have been reports of girls on the Ave passing away. Some have been close and others I knew just in passing. No matter it's a very sad day when I read of a girl like Michelle losing her struggle with life on the infamous Ave. I often wonder if those of us who know these girls are the only ones that truly care about losing them. There are those girls that don't really belong on the Ave. Michelle is one of those girls. She was prettier than the average girl on the streets. One could tell she had pride in herself. She was always clean and pleasant. She would sit in one of her dresses usually on Huntingdon on the church steps. Watching the traffic go by almost hoping she would not be noticed. Yet she was very aware how badly she needed the few dollars she could make. She didn't like what she had to do to survive. None of the girls do. But they are thrust into a world that is so much bigger than they are and when they finally realize that, it is usually to late. What they do they have to do to survive. The mean streets will chew them up and and look for the next victim. It doesn't take very long. What many may not have known is that Michelle was working even though she knew she was sick. Just prior to her passing we were together. I cupped her face to kiss her goodbye which is what we always did. She cringed in excruciating pain. I remember thinking Oh My God what have I done. I told her how sorry I was that I had hurt her and she said it wasn't my fault. Then she showed me what appeared to be a large abscess about the size of my thumb under her hair. It was not a pleasant sight at all. That was a Saturday. I told her it looked very serious and she should try to get it looked at as soon as possible. The next day, Sunday she texted me that she took my advice and she was in the hospital. That is the last I heard of her. In the past few days two friends asked me if I knew what had happened to her. Without thinking I told them I was unaware anything had happened to her. All three of us thought at first it was the drugs that took her. But now in hindsight I wonder if it was the condition that I saw that that took this lovely girl from us.

No matter, she is now gone. It is my responsibility to this community and most of all to her, to make all those who read this aware that there is a very good possibility she did not die of drugs as so many do. I say this without knowing the cause of her death. But knowing the condition of her health, the possibility lies that she may have escaped a drug overdose and just simply passed away due to other circumstances. Should anybody have any info regarding this please share it with those of us that truly care what happens to the girls out there.

To Michelle you were an angel while you was with us and you will be missed greatly.[/QUOTE]From what you describe here, it sounds like maybe she was infected with a resistant for of staph. These staff bacteria can lay dormant in the body for years just waiting. The bacteria usually kept in check through our natural barriers, hence sinus membranes, intestines, etc, can break through the barrier and cause infection. Once that happens, is can enter the blood stream cause a person to become septic and die very quickly. 50% of all hospital workers carry this form of resistant staph in their sinus passages. Chances are it will not cause infection, but at any given time it can with someone who uses needles and is run down to bits from long term drug use.

[QUOTE=GettingTang;1516451]From what you describe here, it sounds like maybe she was infected with a resistant for of staph. .[/QUOTE]We're also encountering massive problems with Vancomycin resistant organisms: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancomycin-resistant_enterococcus[/url] (common urinary tract pathology) ; and one on the horizon called NDM-1 (first identified in New Delhi, India) which is really scary: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Delhi_metallo-beta-lactamase_1[/url]

The scary thing is that effective antibacterials are at least four to five years away.

This is one of the reasons for decriminalization, as this would go far in improving the health of our entire population. Social stigma, or not.

Unfortunately antibiotics are no long a priority for big pharma. With the exception of Tuberculosis, and few oddball organisms, even the most severe bacterial infections only require from a couple of doses, to a couple of weeks of treatment. Make a good ED, acid reflux, or allergy medicine and you've got patients taking it for years! It's all about the Benjamins.

Gator.

Yeah, I'm one of those "suckers" too, who actually regards these girls as human, and who cares about them. Especially the ones who I get to know reasonably well. Whether it's the drugs or the many potential illnesses (bacterial, viral, STD, etc, etc.) that can afflict them, they don't exactly carry robust health insurance policies, and don't have the defenses to get well when they're sick. It's sad, and I constantly remind myself that every one of them is somebody's daughter, who, were it not for bad decisions or simply bad circumstances might have would up in a completely different world.

Sure, we turn to them for our pleasure, but please. Let's remember that they are also deserving of our respect.

For almost twelve years, from 1990 until the latter part of 2001, I used to "draw bloods" and cultures for a "house" located in Wynnefield. I became friends with almost all of the girls there, and in that entire time, only two tested positive for an STD; one chlamydia, the other Hepatitis "A". Which was reported to the proper authorities, and precautions and notifications were taken. There used to be a MONTCO physician who oversaw the care of these "women of the evening", he has since retired. He also cared for many of the women who spent time at "Dxxxxx's place". The M. D. Was actually an OB / GYN who used to monger. He performed this service from the early 1970's until around 2003.

I've been out of that loop for quite some time, but I remember that another paramedic from the area used to collect the labwork for the women at Dxxxxx's. He also cared for their health in general, and when the occasional pregnancy occurred (not usually the failure of birth control) , he either delivered the child, or arranged for the other option to be performed; all with little or no cost to the girl.

He also supplied the various medications necessary for their health needs, within reason. I don't think that he ever turned anyone away, either. One other thing, if memory serves, many of the girls came out of either the Carolina's or the Akron, Ohio region. I don't know if this is still the case. There was one girl, a "thirty something" brunette named "Vicki" who worked at both locations; she was very special to me, and became a good friend. I can see why CJ remarks about marriage plans on occasion.

The houses paid a small fee for the collection, and the labs were taken to a hospital lab about 60mi from the city. I am certain that the authorities in the city were aware of this endeavor, as I understand that neither location received frequent "special attention" from the authorities.

I hope there is someone who took that physician's place, he made things safer for all of us, and improved the lives of at least a few of the women whom society spurns.

He once remarked that he had considered placing "contribution jars" at area convenience stores to gather funds to expand his abilities. I don't believe this ever happened.

[QUOTE=Tonsil Hockey; 1516879]I hope there is someone who took that physician's place, he made things safer for all of us, and improved the lives of at least a few of the women whom society spurns.

He once remarked that he had considered placing "contribution jars" at area convenience stores to gather funds to expand his abilities. I don't believe this ever happened.[/QUOTE]Sadly, I don't think there's anyone providing that kind of service to the young ladies, as it would probably fall into the category of an "insurance issue" these days.

As for the collection jar. What a wonderful idea, which would probably be squashed in an instant by all of the same self-righteous assholes who feel that free distribution of things like condoms or needles would be "contributing to immoral behavior."

Question. If you are actually "Arrested" for Soliciting / Loitering / whatever they actually write. Are you able to Bail yourself out? (cash-credit card etc) or do you have to call someone else to come get you. Or. Can you call a Bail Bondsmen to come get you. I aguess I am assuming someone on this Board has gone through this Hell, and can give some actual facts, (as oposed to soliciting educated Guesses). PS- Not planning on getting arrested, But then again, who ever does.

As always, thanks

I had met Bobbie a couple of weeks ago, but didn't have time for anything more than a rushed BJ. She was good, but circumstances didn't provide her with the opportunity to show any real distinction, so we agreed to get together for a more in-depth session.

The time for that came last Monday evening, when I picked her up and we headed off to the sumptuous comforts of the Chez Carlyle. The sign-in ritual completed, we headed back to one of the luxurious monk's cells to pursue our activities. She stripped down, and I must say I enjoyed the scenery. Bobbi is a rather tall girl, I'd say around 5'10", with nice B-size breasts and in overall very nice shape, In fact, you wouldn't think her to be the least out of place behind the wheel of a mini-van, picking up kids at the local elementary school. She has longish dirty blonde hair and keeps herself cleaner (yes, even her feet!) than the average K-girl.

She wasted no time going to work, raising up a good salute via BBBJ, then rolling on the raincoat for a straightforward ride on the baloney pony. Nothing too adventurous, but unfortunately her concentration kept getting broken by her damn phone, buzzing every few seconds. She made some flimsy excuse about her boyfriend losing his truck, then later calling to say that he'd found it parked somewhere other than where he remembered parking. It seemed to me like he was more likely looking for her while she was busy earning money for dinner.

She claimed to be new to the area, but poking around here revealed she's been around as much as two years. Same story lines: she's originally from North Jersey; working the streets to support her kid rather than a habit. Behaviorally, I'd say she certainly wasn't stoned, so who knows.

Possibly will repeat to find out more.

[QUOTE=Ricardo42; 1518019]Question. If you are actually "Arrested" for Soliciting / Loitering / whatever they actually write. Are you able to Bail yourself out? (cash-credit card etc) or do you have to call someone else to come get you. Or. Can you call a Bail Bondsmen to come get you. I aguess I am assuming someone on this Board has gone through this Hell, and can give some actual facts, (as oposed to soliciting educated Guesses). PS- Not planning on getting arrested, But then again, who ever does.

As always, thanks[/QUOTE]Yes you are able to bail yourself, but there is more to the headache then just bail. Your car will also get towed, and depending on the circumstance you may get your photo plastered in the news paper.

I was working in Lancaster yesterday and I saw an Amish women at the photo kiosk of a Rite Aid. I couldn't stop staring at her and I noticed she was also interested in me. She was turning me on and I could tell I was doing the same to her. I had cold feet and didn't say anything. I left the store thinking about her all day. Now I'm fantisizing about Amish women. If anyone knows where and how I can score with an Amish women please let me know. I need a real Amish women with the dingy dress and the bonet, the whole get up. I am the epitome of sleaze, LOL.

[QUOTE=UrbanBook;1521240]I was working in Lancaster yesterday and I saw an Amish women at the photo kiosk of a Rite Aid. I couldn't stop staring at her and I noticed she was also interested in me. She was turning me on and I could tell I was doing the same to her. I had cold feet and didn't say anything. I left the store thinking about her all day. Now I'm fantisizing about Amish women. If anyone knows where and how I can score with an Amish women please let me know. I need a real Amish women with the dingy dress and the bonet, the whole get up. I am the epitome of sleaze, LOL.[/QUOTE]Wow, UB, you're even worse than me! You could try hanging out at the Reading Terminal Market, as you're bound to find some Amish, or at least Mennonite (we unobservant ones can't seem to tell the difference) honeys hanging around. If you can get one to break away from the flock to go with you, I'd love to see the sight of you walking into the Carlyle with her.

Was out last night at around 12:30 and ran into Kayla, a seriously attractive WSW, right near the Bull. LE was out in ridiculous force, but managed to avoid them to make the pickup. She's new to the Ave, having recently left an escort service where the service was taking most of her money. She's probably around 5'5", maybe 110 pounds, and has a beautiful, flawless body and non-saggy boobs. She was dressed in a little tank top, painted on black shorts and sexy little heels. Dirty blond hair, pretty face (some acne) and nice attitude. She said she doesn't usually fuck and only does BBBJs, but from what I can see, you can probably buy yourself an exception to that rule for around 80. I didn't go there last night, but might. I did do the BBBJ and she has nice skills. Not DT, but nice varied technique and she really puts forth the effort to please. She's trying to stay UTR so I agreed to not share her number, but given what I know of her situation she'll likely be out in that area until she can build enough of a client base to just rely on the phone. Given how frigging sexy her body is, that won't take long.

[QUOTE=Ricardo42; 1518019]Question. If you are actually "Arrested" for Soliciting / Loitering / whatever they actually write. Are you able to Bail yourself out? (cash-credit card etc) or do you have to call someone else to come get you. Or. Can you call a Bail Bondsmen to come get you. I aguess I am assuming someone on this Board has gone through this Hell, and can give some actual facts, (as oposed to soliciting educated Guesses). PS- Not planning on getting arrested, But then again, who ever does.

As always, thanks[/QUOTE]So I can tell you first hand here is what happens on the First Offence. You will be cuffed and stuffed in the back of a hot smelly van with a bunch of other mongers, then several hours later when the van is full enough you will transported to 8th and Race, processed, see the nurse and then if your lucky get thrown in the "tank" if your not lucky thrown in a cell with 2 other dudes. Then you will wait. And wait. And wait. You get the point. If your luck is still holding out within 8 hours of this you may get finger printed and photographed. THEN your info is sent up to see a bail judge. In the next 8 to 16 hours you will first be taken to a room with video phones and talk to a case worker, then back to your cell, hours later you will be taken to a little room with a bunch of other guys and one by one see the Bail Judge on a different Video Phone. If your have a had a good day like I did, you will RORed (released own reconnaissance) given a court date and released. For me this all took 16 hours, and trust me it seems way longer when your in there. But I have been told that actually pretty quick, it can take lots longer.

Now on your court date you get the joy of being stood up in front of the entire court while the Judge tell everyone your are charged with soliciting a prostitute, and of course almost every court worker is a woman. This is a 3rd degree misdemeanor, if this is your first offence you will most likely (but by no means guaranteed) be placed in the AMP (Accelerated Misdemeanor Program). This means you will have to pay court costs of $200. 50 cents and do 12 hours of community service at one of the places they give you to pick from. Also please note when talking to you case working do not let them know you make any substantial money, I made that mistake and they would not give me a public defender I had to pay for a lawyer to go to court with me, that's 500 bucks. You are given about 5 weeks to complete all this and if you are done and turn in all the paperwork 5 or more days in advance you don't have to go to the second court day, they will just dismiss your case.

NOW, you are cleared but this shit is still on your record for anyone with a computer and your name to see in the court docket portal. So next step is back to court with a lawyer to file a motion to expunge this from your record, this means a trip downtown to the Courthouse, more money, more paper work.

Now one thing I left out, your car, in my case I got lucky. They just parked it near where I was picked up and gave me my keys back. So me and a couple other mongers I got locked up with chipped in for a Taxi back to where our cars were when we got out. If your NOT this lucky, then when you are released you will have to go the impound yard and go through all that buillshit to get your car back. More time and money.

SO as you can all see from this little summery getting caught AND arrested is a royal pain in the ass, not to mention if your married having to explain where you were and all this shit your now doing to get out of trouble. Most guys just used the excuse DUI, I have no SO so I was fine. Then there's missing work unexpectedly, and to top it all off DO NOT get arrested on a Friday night or you will sit in holding till Monday morning, there are no Bail hearings on the weekend.

This little experience has made we rethink allot of shit about this deed we all do, not saying I'm totally reformed, but I'm a lot less Gung Ho about it now.

Stay Safe guys, hope this you.

Z

Your experience brings us a cold dose of reality to this hobby of ours. I am sure myself and others will think twice at the risks we are taking and perhaps it will save some of us from going through what you had to. Good luck to you in getting through this. TT

Picked up Sunni on K north of Tioga, probably near Venango.

Short, dirty blond WSW. Older, probably 40s, but still slim enough prob be / see of the life.

Only happened after cruising the Ave on foot and in car for a while, so I ended up being rushed for time.

Did a car date, BBBJ, CIM, she seemed to enjoy it (relatively).

I would consider repeat, but not necessarily at top of list.

[QUOTE=Freshkoast;1519719]Yes you are able to bail yourself, but there is more to the headache then just bail. Your car will also get towed, and depending on the circumstance you may get your photo plastered in the news paper.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the Info, and also to ZaphodII for the very informative post.

Be well.

If anyone has contact info for jewles or cece I would really appreciate it. Looking for a good regular who looks good and gives a great BBBJ.

Meet a great WSW named Alley around the 7-11 last night. Tall thin brunette with a great smile. Ran me 40 for a great BBBJ. Sweet girl. Anyone else have an experience with her?

[QUOTE=Gator145; 1477062]It is with my deepest regrets to inform the members of this forum of the sad news that has been passed on to me.

Although there have been no official accounts as of yet, my sources tell me that Gwen has passed away Wednesday evening.

Out of respect for Gwen I will keep the particulars private for now.

My sources are very dependable and accordingly one source was present at the time of her death.

Gwen has been a wonderful provider for quite some time. I know of only good reports of her services. There was never any ripoff reports about Gwen even though there were some very hard times where she struggled a bit harder than some.

Gwen always had a warm hello and smile for me even if we wasn't dating. She always treated her circle of friends with kindness and went the extra mile to ensure their satisfaction.

I know Gwen will be missed by many who frequent the ave. I can only say she remained a very good friend and will always be in my heart.[/QUOTE]This is sarah smiles gwens bff and she will be missed I just got out of jail and I miss her dearly she got my heart she allways took care of me like I took care of me I miss her nsooo much and I always will does anyonne know where she is buired? I need to go see her because if it wasnt for me finding this out I'd be out there lookin for her! I love her and ANY ONE aho knows me type back I miss her!

[QUOTE=LittleGuy2;1529747]Meet a great WSW named Alley around the 7-11 last night. Tall thin brunette with a great smile. Ran me 40 for a great BBBJ. Sweet girl. Anyone else have an experience with her?[/QUOTE]Does she have really long dark hair down to her ass? I took a tall thin brunette who went by Nichole back to my apartment for a threesome with my gf. I did see her on the ave close to the 7-11 yesterday. Probably the same girl. Sweet, soft spoken and a great smile. Very pretty and had a great time but some things were missing after she left which will prevent us from seeing her again.

I started back in the 80's and never had any problems. No problems with LE or the girls. Back in the day, I always cruised at night, usually around 7pm or 8pm. The girls then were usually decent-looking, had ok attitudes, and didn't seem so strung out on drugs. Never a problem when I proposed to take them to my house, in lieu of a car date (which I never do). The K seems much different now, much worse now in every aspect. Maybe I'm just more careful, but I don't go there anymore. It seems a shame to me, because it used to be a good thing. Maybe it's still a good thing and it's just my aging perception, I don't know. Are there any other old timers still out there? Does it seem worse to you too? I'm just not willing to take the chance anymore. Too bad. I have some great memories of the K.

[QUOTE=NumberDude;1531328]I started back in the 80's and never had any problems.[/QUOTE]I too was around then and had the occasional rip offs, but as you said the girls looked so much better. I don't remember the LE activity as it is now. I remember that there was activity in Philly beyond just Kensington. I remember in Center City near 13th and walnut the girls (Not trannys back then) used to reach in your car and give a little feel. But they were looking for a loose wallet so it had to have been secured ahead of time. South Broad between Washington and Snyder also had quite a bit of action. Most of all there was no USASG to share the info. So you win some you loose some. Happy safe hunting. RM

I picked up Ashley, WSW with a flower tat on her left fore arm last Wednesday at the northern end. It was pretty crowded with larger girls, but Ashley was skinny with a nice rack. We have a good conversation about other mongers and her life working. We get to the spot and she delivers an absolutley great BBBJ. Very excellent skills and seem very much making sure I got what I wanted.

[QUOTE=NumberDude;1531328]I started back in the 80's and never had any problems. No problems with LE or the girls. Back in the day, I always cruised at night, usually around 7pm or 8pm. The girls then were usually decent-looking, had ok attitudes, and didn't seem so strung out on drugs. Never a problem when I proposed to take them to my house, in lieu of a car date (which I never do). The K seems much different now, much worse now in every aspect. Maybe I'm just more careful, but I don't go there anymore. It seems a shame to me, because it used to be a good thing. Maybe it's still a good thing and it's just my aging perception, I don't know. Are there any other old timers still out there? Does it seem worse to you too? I'm just not willing to take the chance anymore. Too bad. I have some great memories of the K.[/QUOTE]I started this hobby back 1990 and almost every week when I got paid I was down there, sometimes even a little drunk. Couple of crazy chicks, never had a problem with LEO. Use to let the girls pick the spot or even goto a house or abandon bld, never had an issue. Now NO WAY, if you ever seen the movie 'the craizes' I think that plane crashed into the Schuylkill river. Last time I was down there was about a year ago in the afternoon talked to one girl around Tioga st station and all of a sudden she started to flip out on me for no reason. I had to walk the around the block twice to get rid of her so she didn't know what car was mine. To top it off 15min later I was reconing around the somerset st area and got pulled over for no reason said "I looked out of place" and told me to leave the area.

Now I drive the extra miles to A / C or Baltimore much safer

Not only has the K gotten worse, but AC and Camden have seen much better days (and nights) as well. Who can forget the ole Admiral Wilson Bld, and AC when there were 5 or 6 chicks on every corner dressed for the party. I won't repeat what was already said about center city Philly except that I miss those days dearly. As I am sure we all do! Doc

Everyone's comments about how things have changed over the past 20-30 years are absolutely correct. Sure, years ago, you had girls presenting themselves as appealingly as possible because they knew they were in a competitive business. Men got to know the providers, the girls turned to them to satisfy more than just financial needs, and actual relationships developed. Remember the old movie character type. "the hooker with a heart of gold". Who did what she did because it was the only thing she knew how to do, and who was just as likely to give much of what she earned to people in need? Those weren't merely fantasies, even though they were overly-glamorized. Girls entered the "World's Oldest Profession" to support themselves and often their families, and there was a kind of back-alley respectability to things.

Now, regardless of the stories you may hear from individual occupants of your passenger seat, there's really one motivation, and it ain't the rising cost of college tuition. In a conversation with one wise-beyond-her-years young lady a couple of weeks ago, she said it all with "Why do I do this? Drugs, of course. You start by getting high once in a while 'because, why'know, it's what everyone is doing, and then it takes hold of you. And before you know it's all you care about in the world and every though, every minute, is only about that. I get in your car, I'm thinkin' what do I have to do, how much money can I get from you, and how much shit can that buy me. And how long it'll hold me before I have to go out and do it again. Any girl tells you she's doing it for any reason but drugs. She's full of shit, and just tryin' to play you for more money."

Kinda says it all, huh?

And with the desperation of their presence driven by the drugs, less and less regard is paid to appearance, and the presence of these victims becomes more obvious, raising more public awareness, and the next thing you know, the political sabers begin getting rattled again, and more and more men and women in blue (and both marked and unmarked conveyances) are deployed to clean the streets of this scourge.

I found Jackie (sp?) on Wednesday morning around 5 AMatthe Ave and E. Clearfield. Jackie is blond, nice build w / wire frame glasses, early 20's. Could be confused for Michelle, who work a few blocks up toward the 7-11. She was wearing a pick thin strap top. I've seen her before and decided to try. Pickup was just of the Ave and she appeared a bit nervous during the P / U and drive to our spot. Unfortunately, I have that LEO look. In any event, once we arrivedatour spot she got a bit more comfortable. Got a nice view of here rack, which is nothing short of astonishing. It also doubles as her filing cabinet as I have never seen that may items stored in this area! (LOL). Once she was done unpacking, she got down to business. Let me tell you I have experience quite a bit and shhe was right up at the top, good DT, lots of tongue action and when it was time NQNS. She commented afterward how different guys like it different ways and she always enjoys experimenting to find out what they like. Well, she found it for me! I drove her back to a spot near where I picked her up and gave her a extra 5 for outstanding service. Will definitely look for her again! Only down side was here edgy feeling getting in (to be expected) and she did seem more subtle than I am use to, very quite.

[QUOTE=Agt4258;1530807]This is sarah smiles gwens bff and she will be missed I just got out of jail and I miss her dearly she got my heart she allways took care of me like I took care of me I miss her nsooo much and I always will does anyonne know where she is buired? I need to go see her because if it wasnt for me finding this out I'd be out there lookin for her! I love her and ANY ONE aho knows me type back I miss her![/QUOTE]Agt4258-

Please relay this if you can. Thanks.

Sarah,

Sorry for your loss and the way you found out. I know it's painful. Glad to see you are out; the have been quite a few of us wondering where you went. Hope to see you soon.

Sounds like the Jackie that I posted pics of. She is a hard one to find. Claims to be out there all the time but I have only seen her out once.

[QUOTE=Tom Fusnr;1533018]I found Jackie (sp?) on Wednesday morning around 5 AMatthe Ave and E. Clearfield. Jackie is blond, nice build w / wire frame glasses, early 20's. Could be confused for Michelle, who work a few blocks up toward the 7-11. She was wearing a pick thin strap top. I've seen her before and decided to try. Pickup was just of the Ave and she appeared a bit nervous during the P / U and drive to our spot. Unfortunately, I have that LEO look. In any event, once we arrivedatour spot she got a bit more comfortable. Got a nice view of here rack, which is nothing short of astonishing. It also doubles as her filing cabinet as I have never seen that may items stored in this area! (LOL). Once she was done unpacking, she got down to business. Let me tell you I have experience quite a bit and shhe was right up at the top, good DT, lots of tongue action and when it was time NQNS. She commented afterward how different guys like it different ways and she always enjoys experimenting to find out what they like. Well, she found it for me! I drove her back to a spot near where I picked her up and gave her a extra 5 for outstanding service. Will definitely look for her again! Only down side was here edgy feeling getting in (to be expected) and she did seem more subtle than I am use to, very quite.[/QUOTE]

Drove the Ave around 4pm and eventually made a pickup a block off around Sedgeley.

Megan, redhead WSW, probably about 5'5.

As soon as she got in the car and we drove off, we noticed black van following us.

I drove off and dropped her off a few blocks away after exchanging numbers.

Didn't notice the van following me afterwards, and we arranged a pickup nearby, but she was spooked and

Walked by the spot and went off on her own way.

". You had girls presenting themselves as appealingly as possible because they knew they were in a competitive business."

"And with the desperation of their presence driven by the drugs. More and more marked and unmarked conveyances are deployed to clean the street of this scourge."

- MOST of us Women do (try to at the very least) present ourselves in an appealing matter even today; and Trust me TrublMaker we KNOW its a competitive business because its us Clean, SOBER, Non-Addicted, Goal-Oriented prostitutes Competing Against these drugged up, drug-addicted, drug-Motivated want to be prostitutes that you mongers knowingly date. Because they're cheaper. Or maybe cus sometimes give "better" service. Therefore keeping Those ladies (or scourge as you call it) on the streets, or internet, allowing for the le to deploy and 'clean up the streets'

"Men got to know the providers, the girls turned to them to satisfy more than just their financial needs, and [actual] relationships developed."

- Sounds like you're looking for a girlfriend more than Prostitute.

". Regardless of the stories you may hear from the individual occupants of your passenger seat, there's really one motivation."

"In a conversation with one wise-beyond-her-years young lady. She said. 'Why do I do this? Drugs."

"Any girl tells you she's doing it for any reason but drugs, she's full of shit."

- Let me get this straight. You, Trublemaker, take in regard, and take as overall truth, a conversation with a young lady, who undoubtedly could have once been an individual occupant of Your passenger seat, about a Woman's Motivation for entering the worlds oldest profession, and still have the audacity to proclaim her 'wise beyond her years' Knowing her Only Motivation for this profession is Drugs, which unless she is buying and in return selling in order to flip the profits as a side hustle, will not get her or anyone anywhere.

- I have nothing bad to say about Her, I don't know her or her story, but I Do have a lot to say about the fact that You, her, and Many People are so quick to believe that Her motivation is basically a Summary for all or even most Prostitutes.

"Kinda says it all huh"

- Really, TrublMaker? So that basically sums it up right. No longer are we trying to pay for a college future, a family, kids, mothers, a whole extended family that can't support themselves; no longer are we doing this because we like luxury, because we don't want to drive a crappy car for the rest of our life, we don't want to struggle for a monthly rent, we don't want to live in a small ass apartment one day. No, we don't want to have nice things and nice clothes and lots of money, no we don't want lv or gucci or red bottoms, we don't want to travel and spend without worrying about Going Broke. No we don't want to the best we can to live the dream and not have to worry that our mother can't pay rent, or our cousins can't afford a college education.

Nope, you're absolutely right, what this young lady "wise beyond her years" claimed Does Say It All.

- BUt then again I AM just any girl, just a prostitute whose only motivation is Drugs. (I hope he pays me enough to get my fix today hahha)

- PLEASE! LOL

[QUOTE=TrublMaykr; 1532914]Everyone's comments about how things have changed over the past 20-30 years are absolutely correct. Sure, years ago, you had girls presenting themselves as appealingly as possible because they knew they were in a competitive business. Men got to know the providers, the girls turned to them to satisfy more than just financial needs, and actual relationships developed. Remember the old movie character type."the hooker with a heart of gold". Who did what she did because it was the only thing she knew how to do, and who was just as likely to give much of what she earned to people in need? Those weren't merely fantasies, even though they were overly-glamorized. Girls entered the "World's Oldest Profession" to support themselves and often their families, and there was a kind of back-alley respectability to things.

Now, regardless of the stories you may hear from individual occupants of your passenger seat, there's really one motivation, and it ain't the rising cost of college tuition. In a conversation with one wise-beyond-her-years young lady a couple of weeks ago, she said it all with "Why do I do this? Drugs, of course. You start by getting high once in a while 'because, why'know, it's what everyone is doing, and then it takes hold of you. And before you know it's all you care about in the world and every though, every minute, is only about that. I get in your car, I'm thinkin' what do I have to do, how much money can I get from you, and how much shit can that buy me. And how long it'll hold me before I have to go out and do it again. Any girl tells you she's doing it for any reason but drugs. She's full of shit, and just tryin' to play you for more money."

Kinda says it all, huh?

And with the desperation of their presence driven by the drugs, less and less regard is paid to appearance, and the presence of these victims becomes more obvious, raising more public awareness, and the next thing you know, the political sabers begin getting rattled again, and more and more men and women in blue (and both marked and unmarked conveyances) are deployed to clean the streets of this scourge.[/QUOTE]Yes there was a lot more action and better quality on the streets 20-30 years ago. On the flip side you now have the internet with BP, Adult Search, and review sites like this. I've never been a big fan of street action. I've always preferred clubs and private establishments.

Seen a few girls this weekend and hopefully soon I'll have pictures. First girl I saw was short thin blonde with fake tits named Angel. Picked her up at cambia and the K. She was smoking hot with perfect tits. She's got a shitty attitude but she sure sucks a great dick. 25 for BBBJ and 50fs. Only went for the 25 and tipped extra because she swallowed. Next girl was a taller thick brunette named Erin that I meet at Venango and The K. Looked cute but has some serious acme issues. Very sweet and talkative though. Nice big booty though. I was able to get FS for 30 plus ten for the room. Good BBBJ at first and she can definitely take it like a champ doggie but again there were a few hygienic issues. Last was a short thick blond named Yolonda. Big tits and ass and long blond hair. Found her on the corner of Sergent and K. 25 for a BBBJ and finishing in mouth. A real get in and get out type of job, I was able to get working contact numbers for all three. Will share with contributing memebers.

[QUOTE=Selena Bebtley; 1534620]". You had girls presenting themselves as appealingly as possible because they knew they were in a competitive business."

"And with the desperation of their presence driven by the drugs. More and more marked and unmarked conveyances are deployed to clean the street of this scourge."

- MOST of us Women do (try to at the very least) present ourselves in an appealing matter even today; and Trust me TrublMaker we KNOW its a competitive business because its us Clean, SOBER, Non-Addicted, Goal-Oriented prostitutes Competing Against these drugged up, drug-addicted, drug-Motivated want to be prostitutes that you mongers knowingly date. Because they're cheaper. Or maybe cus sometimes give "better" service. Therefore keeping Those ladies (or scourge as you call it) on the streets, or internet, allowing for the le to deploy and 'clean up the streets'

"Men got to know the providers, the girls turned to them to satisfy more than just their financial needs, and [actual] relationships developed."

- Sounds like you're looking for a girlfriend more than Prostitute.

". Regardless of the stories you may hear from the individual occupants of your passenger seat, there's really one motivation."

"In a conversation with one wise-beyond-her-years young lady. She said. 'Why do I do this? Drugs."

"Any girl tells you she's doing it for any reason but drugs, she's full of shit."

- Let me get this straight. You, Trublemaker, take in regard, and take as overall truth, a conversation with a young lady, who undoubtedly could have once been an individual occupant of Your passenger seat, about a Woman's Motivation for entering the worlds oldest profession, and still have the audacity to proclaim her 'wise beyond her years' Knowing her Only Motivation for this profession is Drugs, which unless she is buying and in return selling in order to flip the profits as a side hustle, will not get her or anyone anywhere.

- I have nothing bad to say about Her, I don't know her or her story, but I Do have a lot to say about the fact that You, her, and Many People are so quick to believe that Her motivation is basically a Summary for all or even most Prostitutes.

"Kinda says it all huh"

- Really, TrublMaker? So that basically sums it up right. No longer are we trying to pay for a college future, a family, kids, mothers, a whole extended family that can't support themselves; no longer are we doing this because we like luxury, because we don't want to drive a crappy car for the rest of our life, we don't want to struggle for a monthly rent, we don't want to live in a small ass apartment one day. No, we don't want to have nice things and nice clothes and lots of money, no we don't want lv or gucci or red bottoms, we don't want to travel and spend without worrying about Going Broke. No we don't want to the best we can to live the dream and not have to worry that our mother can't pay rent, or our cousins can't afford a college education.

Nope, you're absolutely right, what this young lady "wise beyond her years" claimed Does Say It All.

- BUt then again I AM just any girl, just a prostitute whose only motivation is Drugs. (I hope he pays me enough to get my fix today hahha)

- PLEASE! LOL[/QUOTE]Ouch! I am duly skewered, and all because someone took my post the wrong way.

First of all, please understand that I was referring ONLY to the "drugged-up, drug-addicted, drug-motivated" sorts who wander the streets – NOT the women who are "trying to pay for a college future, a family, kids, mothers, a whole extended family that can't support themselves," as you note. I make a very strong differentiation between the two groups.

The reason for my post was the confluence of two events – a comment made by another member of this forum about the "old days," coming on the heels of the conversation I referred to with the young lady that I quoted. When I referred to her as "wise beyond her years," I probably should have said "experienced beyond her years" instead, as it came out that she had experienced things that nobody should ever have to endure, even more so not at her age.

Remember, when I quote someone, I'm simply stating their words without adulteration – not voicing support of any particular point of view.

You might be interested to know that I was very saddened by her comments, and wound up turning around and returning her to where I encountered her, paying her for time spent and wishing her well.

As I have stated in many conversations and prior online posts, it's important that we remember that every woman we meet is somebody's daughter, worthy of concern and respect, and we all owe everyone the obligation of decent treatment. By the way, when I used the term "scourge," I certainly wasn't applying a label of personal opinion, but using a term which reflects what the so-called establishment (LE, neighbors, media) would apply.

I'm not looking for a girlfriend, but am happy to offer my friendship to those who seek it. That's just the way I am. I will expand upon that in a private message – please check your mailbox.

In fact, it's because there are so many people who have given their lives up to drugs and surrendered to the streets that I have an even higher regard to those who have NOT gone that way, or who, if they had been addicted, have managed to pull themselves out of that world and are members of the "oldest profession" simply as a way to make ends meet.

"Kinda says it all, huh" was merely mean to comment on the fatalistic attitude of THAT particular young lady, not an indictment of everyone else. As I said, the incident made me very sad, and I was probably overly influenced by that.

[QUOTE=TrublMaykr; 1536259]Ouch! I am duly skewered, and all because someone took my post the wrong way.

First of all, please understand that I was referring ONLY to the "drugged-up, drug-addicted, drug-motivated" sorts who wander the streets – NOT the women who are "trying to pay for a college future, a family, kids, mothers, a whole extended family that can't support themselves," as you note. I make a very strong differentiation between the two groups.

The reason for my post was the confluence of two events – a comment made by another member of this forum about the "old days," coming on the heels of the conversation I referred to with the young lady that I quoted. When I referred to her as "wise beyond her years," I probably should have said "experienced beyond her years" instead, as it came out that she had experienced things that nobody should ever have to endure, even more so not at her age.

Remember, when I quote someone, I'm simply stating their words without adulteration – not voicing support of any particular point of view.

You might be interested to know that I was very saddened by her comments, and wound up turning around and returning her to where I encountered her, paying her for time spent and wishing her well.

As I have stated in many conversations and prior online posts, it's important that we remember that every woman we meet is somebody's daughter, worthy of concern and respect, and we all owe everyone the obligation of decent treatment. By the way, when I used the term "scourge," I certainly wasn't applying a label of personal opinion, but using a term which reflects what the so-called establishment (LE, neighbors, media) would apply.

I'm not looking for a girlfriend, but am happy to offer my friendship to those who seek it. That's just the way I am. I will expand upon that in a private message – please check your mailbox.

In fact, it's because there are so many people who have given their lives up to drugs and surrendered to the streets that I have an even higher regard to those who have NOT gone that way, or who, if they had been addicted, have managed to pull themselves out of that world and are members of the "oldest profession" simply as a way to make ends meet.

"Kinda says it all, huh" was merely mean to comment on the fatalistic attitude of THAT particular young lady, not an indictment of everyone else. As I said, the incident made me very sad, and I was probably overly influenced by that.[/QUOTE]I have checked my mail I will reply to you seperately, I would just like to take advantage of the post you made, I understand you were not voicing a certain opinion but I definately have an opinion on the matter that needs to voiced, if anyones listening or not.

I would say about 7 out of 10 guys I meet would all ask me the same thing at some point in one of our encounters, and my simple and true answer would always be somewhere along the lines of because I like it. Now why is this an issue? Because then I have to wonder, why do you ask me this? And expect an answer that is more. Fulfilling.

Do you ask your doctor why he sticks needles in people for a living everytime you get a physical. Do you ask your lawyer why he likes working long hours and have a minute social life only to deal with menial cases. Do you ask the welfare office clerk why she deals with aggravating people for a living. Do you ask the same 32 yr old shift manager you see every morning for your regular coffee at the mcdonalds cashier why she pushes buttons for a living. Do you ask a bus driver why hes a bus driver or a scientist why hes a scientist. Do you ask your coworker why he works at the place he does. Do you ask yourself why you work at the place you do for 15 yrs.

So why is the reason for why a prostitute 'does what she does' any different. Is it the taboo of the subject that makes your curiosity peak? Idk I can't even begin to assume why it is such an exciting, and for some reason always negative, account. All I am trying to say is that I am almost 99% sure that none of those 7/10 guys truly belive that a woman can enjoy this lifestyle, as I promise you is no different than the 'normal life normal girls' lead. And everytime after they ask they follow it with: do you go to school? Or have you ever done drugs?

Its just an obviously judgmental question that is seemingly hidden as an innocent curiosity. I have no problem answering it, in fact it eye-opening to me to see how maybe 6 of those 7 men can be so sadistic when we answer the question. Looking for confirmation that we Do do this for a drug fix. That we didn't have a good father figure. That we Are just helpless victims of a bad childhood and abuse that we Just want to feel appreciated and acknowledged. And so on.

- Anyways my point is that we are prostitutes and that is all that you know as fact. Don't take her word over mine, don't take my word over hers, and don't take the stereotype for truth because at the end of the day you will never know the real story because no one will ever tell you and if they do you won't believe it anyways.

P. S. I'm sorry for not being able to sum up my thoughts in a more simple and a lot shorter way. Have fun mongering boys be safe

Guys be careful. I was out on the K earlier this morning around the 7-11. It was about 5ish. Not many girls out and some LEO presents. Pulled over when I saw a brunette with short hair and a bigger butt. It got in and when I saw its face up close and then its voice it scared the shit out of me. It was a dude. I've been trollling the Jersey scene for a long time and this is the first time this has ever happened. Is the K track known for this. Would be good to know. I don't knock it, I'm into some fucked up kinky shit myself.

[QUOTE=Selena Bebtley;1537280]… I definitely have an opinion on the matter that needs to be voiced, if anyone’s listening or not…[/QUOTE]I'm listening! I hear you.

I do not believe that I am guilty. That is; I try not to pry into the private affairs of others. I cannot remember ever asking a girl why. However; things happen and often we learn things whether we want to know or not. Case in point: My recently deceased friend Naileen. Naileen and I dated often and over time our relationship became something more than what it had started out to be. Were we friends? That's hard to say. I don't know what she honestly thought about me. (It wasn’t love. We were in like. Maybe?) I can say this, at some point she stopped being just a streetwalker, in my eyes. My point is that she shared a lot about herself without my asking. I know about the self inflicted scars on her forearm. I know about her father and how he was coming to rescue her. She told me about her boyfriend and how he was locked-up after being out for one day. She introduced me to one of her friends from her life away from the avenue. I know about her drug of preference. I know why she never injected drugs in her arms. I learned a lot about Naileen just by listening. Most of the time she just told me things she wanted me to know. I never once asked her, 'Why she was doing what she was doing. ' And! She never told me. I assumed I already knew.

You may not know this; but, Naileen died a few weeks ago. I saw her just a couple of days before she died. She talked about her dad coming to get her and about how she needed to get rid of the stuff in her rented room. The last thing I remember saying to her was to please be careful. I don't know how she died or why she died. I am still just assuming. I wish she was here so I could ask.

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[QUOTE=Selena Bebtley; 1537280]I have checked my mail I will reply to you seperately, I would just like to take advantage of the post you made, I understand you were not voicing a certain opinion but I definately have an opinion on the matter that needs to voiced, if anyones listening or not.

I would say about 7 out of 10 guys I meet would all ask me the same thing at some point in one of our encounters, and my simple and true answer would always be somewhere along the lines of because I like it. Now why is this an issue? Because then I have to wonder, why do you ask me this? And expect an answer that is more. Fulfilling.

Do you ask your doctor why he sticks needles in people for a living everytime you get a physical. Do you ask your lawyer why he likes working long hours and have a minute social life only to deal with menial cases. Do you ask the welfare office clerk why she deals with aggravating people for a living. Do you ask the same 32 yr old shift manager you see every morning for your regular coffee at the mcdonalds cashier why she pushes buttons for a living. Do you ask a bus driver why hes a bus driver or a scientist why hes a scientist. Do you ask your coworker why he works at the place he does. Do you ask yourself why you work at the place you do for 15 yrs.

So why is the reason for why a prostitute 'does what she does' any different. Is it the taboo of the subject that makes your curiosity peak? Idk I can't even begin to assume why it is such an exciting, and for some reason always negative, account. All I am trying to say is that I am almost 99% sure that none of those 7/10 guys truly belive that a woman can enjoy this lifestyle, as I promise you is no different than the 'normal life normal girls' lead. And everytime after they ask they follow it with: do you go to school? Or have you ever done drugs?

Its just an obviously judgmental question that is seemingly hidden as an innocent curiosity. I have no problem answering it, in fact it eye-opening to me to see how maybe 6 of those 7 men can be so sadistic when we answer the question. Looking for confirmation that we Do do this for a drug fix. That we didn't have a good father figure. That we Are just helpless victims of a bad childhood and abuse that we Just want to feel appreciated and acknowledged. And so on.

- Anyways my point is that we are prostitutes and that is all that you know as fact. Don't take her word over mine, don't take my word over hers, and don't take the stereotype for truth because at the end of the day you will never know the real story because no one will ever tell you and if they do you won't believe it anyways.

P. S. I'm sorry for not being able to sum up my thoughts in a more simple and a lot shorter way. Have fun mongering boys be safe[/QUOTE]Just do want to clear up one last point. The conversation in which the young lady made the statement you found offensive did NOT begin with a question like "What's a nice girl like you doing in this business?" Please. I would never insult anyone with such a tacky, cliche inquiry. Of course, I don't want to just drive along in silence (sheesh. People would think we were married) , so a conversation starter IS in order (better than "Are you a cop?"). My preferred query is "Where are you from?" the response to which satisfies a certain curiosity I have about geographic distribution and social mobility.

I don't know if you've had a chance to read the continuation of our previous exchange that I sent privately, but I notice you said you'd "check your mail" and I'm hoping you didn't mean email. If you are logged in, look at the menu at the top of the page and you should see "Private Messages". Click that and you'll see it.