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[QUOTE=Kowabunga; 1568288]Hi Nyx,

While in general I respect your opinions, this post is out of line. I work in the computer field and know for a fact that such destruct programs make drives difficult, but certainly not impossible, to recover. However, even if it could work the way you say, what makes you think if the police kick your door in that you're going to be able to get to your computer, invoke a destruction program, and have it run to completion? A better plan would be to toss the drive into a hot fire, or a 500+ degree oven, or quickly smash it with a hammer, or even toss it into a garbage disposal and grind it up, but again, what makes you think the police would allow you to do that once they'd burst in, or if they arrested you when you were not home, or many other scenarios that I can think of? Sorry, but the erasure of a drive, in almost all cases of LEO intervention, is impossible. I have friends in jail who can attest to that.

Even if you hardware encrypt the drive (such as an Apricorn Padlock) , a judge will simply order you to decrypt it, and if you don't, will add all sorts of penalties that he could levy without a trial, including years of prison time. No one has ever failed to unlock their hard drive under these circumstances. How do you think pedophiles get caught? Surely you realize that most of them go to great efforts to hide their illegal images with some very advanced techniques. I have a friend who works with Perverted Justice who has nevertheless sent more than a dozen of those scumbags to jail with their hidden images fully revealed. Heck, if police really wanted to get your data they'd just infect your computer with a trojan and take the data themselves.

Any talk of protecting your client list is just that. Talk. Bear in mind I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that we completely and absolutely trust you in every way never to blackmail us, because once you have our personal info we're in serious trouble if you decide to misuse it. That one I wouldn't put on you because you have friends on this board that I do trust like HH. If he trusts you, I do too. But you don't have the kind of control you say you have over the data.

Does anyone here recall Elliot Spitzer, the infamous "client 9" former governor of New York State? He was sure verified, the poor fool.

If people don't mind the fact that they could be arrested, have their names in the newspaper, and have their wives and / or families find out what they've up to, sure, by all means get verified. For the rest of us, it's a risk on the level of BBFS with a street provider. Way too risky for me.

And that alleged senator? No way. If you did have such a client, you would never brag about it. If LEO were to catch you now regardless of your records they'd make you reveal his name, again under severe court penalties (e. G, you stay in jail until you do). Like I said, I respect most of your opinions but these posts are out of line.

I am on this board to give my fellow mongers good information and get good information back. If I see false information, I will always post against it for that reason.[/QUOTE]Consider the fact that if caught, I face a minimum mandatory 5 years (no probation, no parole, no good time) under the new Mass laws, so I don't see much incentive to give up evidence against myself. Maybe my understanding of the technology in question is incorrect. Certainly a possibility as it's not really my field, and I'm pretty much just parroting back what I've read, and been told by others in the field. Could you please explain how the drive in question functions, and how to defeat it?

Xoxo.

Nyx

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1568357]I strongly disagree with Skatar018 on taking this to "off topic." I.[/QUOTE]I did say this was a important subject, & I did say take it off topic, but you conveniently left out the suggestion on starting a new thread, whys that?

It's doesn't have to be a thread just for verification & technology but for topics that just clutter the forums.

I am usually a pretty tolerant person & try not to post about such matters, but between the medical & health issues, verification & technology & all the other stuff posted about it's getting harder to find an actual posts & review on escorts.

One of the first things we tell newbies is to RTFF, damn if I was a newbie (which I still am & proud to be) I'd be like guys where are the post & reviews on the escorts!

If you don't like being reminded what this forum is suppose to be about then let me state it again:
"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women."

You wanna be safe, how do I say this STAY THE FUCK HOME!

Here's a quote from their website on the "self destruct" feature.

[quote]IronKey’s patent-pending “flash-trash” methodology incorporates an exhaustive hardware erase of all flash and Cryptochip memory. This is not a simple clearing of file allocation tables, but a secure overwriting of data. This is done in hardware rather than via a software application for the ultimate protection.[/quote]So you can understand why I would think that was what it did.

Xoxo.

Nyx

[QUOTE=Skatar018; 1568392]I did say this was a important subject, & I did say take it off topic, but you conveniently left out the suggestion on starting a new thread, whys that?

It's doesn't have to be a thread just for verification & technology but for topics that just clutter the forums.

I am usually a pretty tolerant person & try not to post about such matters, but between the medical & health issues, verification & technology & all the other stuff posted about it's getting harder to find an actual posts & review on escorts.

One of the first things we tell newbies is to RTFF, damn if I was a newbie (which I still am & proud to be) I'd be like guys where are the post & reviews on the escorts!

If you don't like being reminded what this forum is suppose to be about then let me state it again:

"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women."

You want to be safe, how do I say this STAY THE FUCK HOME![/QUOTE]If you want to play Russian roulette with LE be my guest but don't impose your righteous ways on all of us. Dealing with providers and their verification methods is very much on topic with "exchanging of information between men who are looking for sex with women." I reckon many of the fellow mongers would agree.

There were plenty of posts on other topics today as well. Here is the revolutionary idea for you: do like the rest of us do, use your mouse and the scroll button to get to the posts that interest you. If you don't know how, let me rephrase the way you ended your last post: TAKE A FUCKING CLASS!

By the way, this would be my last post on this topic.

I doubt if we've heard the last of this from you.

So what you are the only one that can request posts be moved to a more appropriate forum?

Or does the below post from you requesting movement of medical/health issues be moved to another forum from the escort forum seem somewhat hypocritical to you. No? It sure the fuck does to me.
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1413179]Gentlemen, at the risk of attracting to myself the wrath of the [I]uncontrolled freedom of information [/I]group could you please move health-related topics out of Escort reports section to General Reports or some other section. Knowing the howtos of venereal diseases hardly qualifies as a report about the pros and cons of a particular escort (s).[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Nrlmus; 1568412]If you want to play Russian roulette with LE be my guest but don't impose your righteous ways on all of us. Dealing with providers and their verification methods is very much on topic with "exchanging of information between men who are looking for sex with women." I reckon many of the fellow mongers would agree.

There were plenty of posts on other topics today as well. Here is the revolutionary idea for you: do like the rest of us do, use your mouse and the scroll button to get to the posts that interest you. If you don't know how, let me rephrase the way you ended your last post: TAKE A FUCKING CLASS!

By the way, this would be my last post on this topic.[/QUOTE].
If you can impose your implied safety issues on all of us, then I can surely say my piece on any subject I so choose, the problem is we disagree on the subject matter that this forum is about Escort reviews.

Take some of your own advise,"If you don't want to partake in discussion. Just skip it. I do.","Here is the revolutionary idea for you: do like the rest of us do, use your mouse and the scroll button to get to the posts that interest you.",
So now you are speaking for all the rest of us? & obviously you don't know how to just skip it & move on either (sometimes I don't either) you did not have to post a reply to my original post, but you choose to, & it always takes two numb nuts to argue some stupid point.

It would seem your reading skills are intact, however your comprehension seems to be lacking, so at the risk of being repetitive I say again:
"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women." read it, learn it, live it!
I doubt it will sink in this time round either, but wanted to give to you the benefit of the doubt.

With that said if you haven't already, put me on ignore as I will you, & perhaps you can put yourself on ignore while you're at it!, & then we can be done with this debate/argument & move on.

My apologies to the board for the argumentative posts on my part & if you feel it's inappropriate then please feel free to report it to Jackson.

With that said, does anyone besides George have a report on a GOD DAMN FUCKIN ESCORT!

A provider gets busted, hey it happens even with screening. She's affiliated with a agency.

Owner (s) of the agency are given a choice of unlocking a super secret computer gizmo revealing their clients info or living at the states expense until they do. It's a great sales pitch but does anyone really think they'll go to jail to save you? You're going under the bus my friend. If you do think they'll remain quiet I've got this great bridge for sale.

CEO, CFO etc plus a US Senator? I'm calling BS. In todays political climate pols are thinking twice before fuking their own wives, and only missionary. No perv stuff like doggie.

[QUOTE=Gansett; 1568529]A provider gets busted, hey it happens even with screening. She's affiliated with a agency.

Owner (s) of the agency are given a choice of unlocking a super secret computer gizmo revealing their clients info or living at the states expense until they do. It's a great sales pitch but does anyone really think they'll go to jail to save you? You're going under the bus my friend. If you do think they'll remain quiet I've got this great bridge for sale.

CEO, CFO etc plus a US Senator? I'm calling BS. In todays political climate pols are thinking twice before fuking their own wives, and only missionary. No perv stuff like doggie.[/QUOTE]Yep you figured me out, it was all just a marketing campaign. There's no CEO's, no senator, and no flash drive. All of my clients are really plumbers.

Xoxox.

Nyx

Always interested in the free exchange of intel. I'm north of Boston also.

[QUOTE=Backin Da Game;1568314]Hello fellow hobbyists. Does any one have any info on any utr girls north of boston. I have met a few so far but I'm looking for Quality not quantity. Who is the best around? Any intel would be greatly apreciated, Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyx GG; 1568653]Yep you figured me out, it was all just a marketing campaign. There's no CEO's, no senator, and no flash drive. All of my clients are really plumbers.

Xoxox.

Nyx[/QUOTE]Plumbers, now THERE'S someone who can afford it. Making more than CEO's and half of it is cash.

Nyx, I think I love you.

[QUOTE=Nyx GG; 1568653]All of my clients are really plumbers.

Xoxox.

Nyx[/QUOTE]Well, if one believes that, one believes anything. LOL. (+ I want to join RoadStar01 to profess my love for Nix)

Any reviews on this provider?

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Thanks

[QUOTE=Gansett; 1568529]A provider gets busted, hey it happens even with screening. She's affiliated with a agency.

Owner (s) of the agency are given a choice of unlocking a super secret computer gizmo revealing their clients info or living at the states expense until they do. It's a great sales pitch but does anyone really think they'll go to jail to save you? You're going under the bus my friend. If you do think they'll remain quiet I've got this great bridge for sale.

CEO, CFO etc plus a US Senator? I'm calling BS. In todays political climate pols are thinking twice before fuking their own wives, and only missionary. No perv stuff like doggie.[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to speak for Nyx here, she's more than capable of speaking for herself, but I think you're misunderstanding something here. I don't believe she's talking about going to such great lengths to secure her data to protect her clients from Uncle Leo. She's talking about protecting herself. That data would be evidence against her, which in the case of an agency owner is a big deal under the new draconian laws. Your average independent provider would probably give up info to Uncle Leo in a heart beat, because they're only facing a misdemeanor charge. But an agency owner is facing serious mandatory time, giving up a password would only give them more evidence against her. The fact that in the process she'd be protecting her clients is just a fringe benefit.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Ho Hunter 328; 1568823]I'm not trying to speak for Nyx here, she's more than capable of speaking for herself, but I think you're misunderstanding something here. I don't believe she's talking about going to such great lengths to secure her data to protect her clients from Uncle Leo. She's talking about protecting herself. That data would be evidence against her, which in the case of an agency owner is a big deal under the new draconian laws. Your average independent provider would probably give up info to Uncle Leo in a heart beat, because they're only facing a misdemeanor charge. But an agency owner is facing serious mandatory time, giving up a password would only give them more evidence against her. The fact that in the process she'd be protecting her clients is just a fringe benefit.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]True, while not giving out her password would mean impending an ongoing investigation, in other words you stay in jail until you give it up.

[QUOTE=Ho Hunter 328; 1568823]I'm not trying to speak for Nyx here, she's more than capable of speaking for herself, but I think you're misunderstanding something here. I don't believe she's talking about going to such great lengths to secure her data to protect her clients from Uncle Leo. She's talking about protecting herself. That data would be evidence against her, which in the case of an agency owner is a big deal under the new draconian laws. Your average independent provider would probably give up info to Uncle Leo in a heart beat, because they're only facing a misdemeanor charge. But an agency owner is facing serious mandatory time, giving up a password would only give them more evidence against her. The fact that in the process she'd be protecting her clients is just a fringe benefit.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Not giving up such a password would be an easy obstruction of justice case, a felony in and of itself.

I fail to see how keeping this info protects the agency at all, especially keeping it digitally. Its use IMHO, is offensive (contacting clients for more work and blackmail) than anything defensive. Then again, I would never open up an agency or be a pimp, so maybe I don't understand.

Before anyone reads this the wrong way, NO, I am not saying that Nyx is either a pimp or would ever be a blackmailer.

[QUOTE=Alintas;1567974]This is one of the sexiest posts on this forum ever. LOL This gal is gorgeous, haz always given thoughtful intelligent reslonses and she knows what an eprom is too? Never tried because I am afraid indies could bee a sting. But must say nyx is very tempting.[/QUOTE]So now you are just realizing what a hot, beautiful, sexy, intelligent, thoughtful and extremely well built woman Nyx is! I've been saying that forever. I may just be an old guy now but I do know beautiful, sexy and hot when I see it. And may I suggest that you let yourself be tempted. Just take a look at her pics and let the blood start to boil!

[QUOTE=Nyx GG; 1568653]Yep you figured me out, it was all just a marketing campaign. There's no CEO's, no senator, and no flash drive. All of my clients are really plumbers.

Xoxox.

Nyx[/QUOTE]I'm assuming you chose plumbers cause you like plungers / plunging? Hopefully it isn't the backcrack. LOL

With all the news and talk of this Alexis Wright up in Maine its brought how very risky and potentially "Life changing / ruining" an event like this could be! Each of us understand there is a level of risk attached to what we do here, but do we ever contemplate being called to court via a summons? I'm guessing here but I would say that the lions share of the "Hobbiest" who spend time with working girls have significant others, careers, friends and acquaintances that would be shocked and very upset to find out what we've been up to during our busy days!

How many of us have gone through these verification procedures that some of the higher end working girls and agency's require? Was the risk of giving your REAL personal information worth the 1 hour reward you got from the girl? Was that one hour of enjoyment worth a lifetime of pain, humiliation and legal action if the provider you saw was busted and forced to give over your personal information? I personally have never given any REAL information to any provider, I use a burner throw away phone paid with cash and never give any verifiable information no matter how hot the girl is or how much I want to see her. And I'm not married! WTF are you married guys thinking? Do you have a death wish? You hand your ass on a plater to a working girl who could give a shit less about you or your personal life. Then you run like cockroaches when the inevitable arrest is made and this tight lipped provider has a full list of all her clients? Damn dudes! Rule number one. Try and use the big head first. Stop playing with disaster, if you give your personal info out, then also be prepared to have your life fucked up at some point.

I am on the fence with these guys up in Maine, on one hand I would love to see a few spineless politicians get burned if there on the list, but on the other hand, there one of us. And I hate to see anyone who is just enjoying good consensual sex get burned this way. Its almost like a witch hunt.

I didn't know anything about this girl, but after watching a few of her videos I got to say if I did know about her I would have been planning a roadtrip to Maine for sure. But most likely would stop short if the verification was too intrusive. I don't care if she was Pamela Anderson I'm not giving my personal info to anyone.

Muffy

[QUOTE=MuffyTheDiver;1569014]I'm guessing here but I would say that the lions share of the "Hobbiest" who spend time with working girls have significant others, careers, friends and acquaintances that would be shocked and very upset to find out what we've been up to during our busy days![/QUOTE]I guess there are some merits to being a "nobody" after all. Kinda makes me feel a little better about my life of obscurity. LOL

I honestly don't give a rat's ass about providing my personal info, other than the possibility that a provider would be foolish enough to keep detailed records of every encounter, including fees and sex acts performed, which LEO could use to charge me with a misdemeanor, as Alexis Wright seems to have done in this case. I would hope that she is the exception to the rule as far as intelligent discretion is concerned.

It has always been my assumption (yes, I know what happens) that a careful, honest provider would keep only the minimal necessary info to allow for a repeat visit, possibly with some sort of client rating in their Little Black Book, be it electronic or physical.

AW was neither careful, (client list with full details) nor honest, (clandestine videos) and as such she and every one of her clients will suffer for it. A name and phone number with a +1 does not make for evidence in court.

And Muffy, I understand completely what you mean about being on the fence. I'm as guilty of Schadenfreude as anyone where the big wigs are concerned, but I also hate to see brethren burn for what I myself participate in unabashedly.

RS1

[QUOTE=Hags Joe; 1568884]Not giving up such a password would be an easy obstruction of justice case, a felony in and of itself.

I fail to see how keeping this info protects the agency at all, especially keeping it digitally. Its use IMHO, is offensive (contacting clients for more work and blackmail) than anything defensive. Then again, I would never open up an agency or be a pimp, so maybe I don't understand.

Before anyone reads this the wrong way, NO, I am not saying that Nyx is either a pimp or would ever be a blackmailer.[/QUOTE]Hey hags, I tryed to pm you, Your in box is full. Hit me back please,

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1568833]True, while not giving out her password would mean impending an ongoing investigation, in other words you stay in jail until you give it up.[/QUOTE]Not true. Obviously any data contained on this encrypted drive, if it exists, would be used as evidence against her. Attempting to force her to give up the password would be a violation of the fifth amendment.

[url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/82799004/United-States-v-John-Doe] United States v. John Doe[/url]

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Hags Joe; 1568884]Not giving up such a password would be an easy obstruction of justice case, a felony in and of itself.

I fail to see how keeping this info protects the agency at all, especially keeping it digitally. Its use IMHO, is offensive (contacting clients for more work and blackmail) than anything defensive. Then again, I would never open up an agency or be a pimp, so maybe I don't understand.

Before anyone reads this the wrong way, NO, I am not saying that Nyx is either a pimp or would ever be a blackmailer.[/QUOTE]I'd assume the information is kept so that clients don't need to be screened every time they call, I doubt she could keep track of them all without records. Remember, we're not talking about an independent who sees every client themselves, but an agency that combined probably sees several hundred clients per year. Then there's also other agencies or independents contacting her for references to consider as well.

As for the obstruction of justice, see my previous post on the fifth amendment.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Ho Hunter 328; 1569291]I'd assume the information is kept so that clients don't need to be screened every time they call, I doubt she could keep track of them all without records. Remember, we're not talking about an independent who sees every client themselves, but an agency that combined probably sees several hundred clients per year. Then there's also other agencies or independents contacting her for references to consider as well.

As for the obstruction of justice, see my previous post on the fifth amendment.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Quite right. Also keep in mind that I'm not the only one who answers the phone, so there are clients that I've never met, and never even talked to. Without keeping records I simply would not be able to do business. But I don't keep details of who clients see, let alone what they do. All I keep are names, numbers, and email addresses. I also don't do "cold calls", that just screams desperation to me, and I think it's very unprofessional.

Xoxo.

Nyx

You make valid points. I still see a chance that 5th amendment wouldn't be applied, but you make valid points.

Are you saying the govt doesn't have the resources to retreive the encrypted info? Or the means to force the owner to unlock it? By means they seize every asset and cash as procedes from a criminal activity and a few years in jail. Or a minor fine, probation and the promise to never do it again.

There are many, many successful providers out there that don't require the info Kat does.

Now, am I paranoid about opening my life up to someone who may in turn use my info to avoid being prosecuted if nabbed months from now? Remember it's a one way street, they don't provide us with verifiable personal info.

[QUOTE=Gansett; 1569432]Are you saying the govt doesn't have the resources to retreive the encrypted info? Or the means to force the owner to unlock it? By means they seize every asset and cash as procedes from a criminal activity and a few years in jail. Or a minor fine, probation and the promise to never do it again.

There are many, many successful providers out there that don't require the info Kat does.

Now, am I paranoid about opening my life up to someone who may in turn use my info to avoid being prosecuted if nabbed months from now? Remember it's a one way street, they don't provide us with verifiable personal info. [/QUOTE.

I myself could not for the life of me give out my personal info to someone I don't know anything about period. Is the gain worth the risk?

[QUOTE=Hags Joe;1569402]You make valid points. I still see a chance that 5th amendment wouldn't be applied, but you make valid points.[/QUOTE]The chances of the application of 5th amendment being successful here are very remote. It would probably also involve hiring the lawyer that is very expensive. There are so many ways around 5th amendment that I can't even begin to itemize. Impending investigation, obstruction of justice, that's what instantly comes to mind and I'm sure there are plenty of others that don't.

I believe that to give out your personal info to the provider is very dangerous. If in doubt, think of all the political people who had problems with it: Eliot Spitzer, David Vitter, Dick Morris. I'm sure there are plenty more that I didn't think of. If such a big fish is taken down, we, the smaller fish, most certainly have much narrower ponds to swim in. For God's sake what are we talking about, there is an Alexis Write case going on right now! The case which as I said in my previous posts, is being discussed here to exhaustion. I looked at some of her videos on-line and in none of them I saw faces of her clients present. How many lives do you think are going to be ruined as a result of that case? How many lives were changed as a result of the DC Madame case or Heidi Fleiss. These are more famous cases I'm talking about too. Ms. Fleiss posted 1, 000, 000 bond and was able to hire a very powerful attorney too. How many escort services do you think would be able to come even close to that?

To me, giving out your personal info for verification and walking the razor's edge amount to one in the same. I mean, I love Nyx-and-all but I have no idea what she is talking about when she calls requiring personal info "professional." Throughout the centuries it's actually have been the exact opposite. A true courtesan is the one that makes a stranger feel comfortable without knowing anything about him. She often wouldn't even know if her client is married, let alone his name, address or phone. She remembers each of her client's likes and dislikes too. Her safety is always handled separately from her clients.

Today, in this country, in this city, I see from time to time at least two providers who's been in it for quite a while, who's never been arrested and who know about me only what I told them myself. They screen their clients over phone, they use references, they hardly do backpage if ever, couple of them have friends (clients?) on the force and are very much up to date on what's going on in various areas of the vicinity. I'm sure some provide freebies to those that they feel they need for their safety too, kind of cost of doing business, you know.

If one calls verifying the client by means other then asking him for a reference 'being extra careful', I'd go with that. Calling it 'an industry's norm', well, initially I thought so too, but the more providers I see, the less I believe this being "an industry's norm." Mind you quite respectable providers too: educated, drug free, the once you'd never find on the street, and the once who really make an effort to make sure that their fame is somewhat limited.

But to call asking for verification 'professional'? I'm sorry but that goes against everything that I ever read or heard on the topic. It's a provider's or service's choice, and I, personally respect that but it has nothing to do with professionalism. Some services screen more, some less. Many high-end services in New York don't ask questions of anyone who's been referred to them by an already existing and trusted client. That's how those who really don't care if you know their name and address become their clients initially but then drug along those of their friends that prefer not to give out their personal info. I think considering our environment that's very professional, kind of balances out the service's security needs with sensitivity of those who prefer not to reveal anything about themselves. Is it risk-free? No. But one can never be completely risk free in this whether as a pro or a client anyway, especially here in the US.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1569624]The chances of the application of 5th amendment being successful here are very remote.[/QUOTE]I disagree. It seems pretty obvious to me that giving up a password that would provide access to data which would incriminate oneself would be covered by the fifth amendment. The recent (Feb 2012) federal court case I cited concurs with my opinion. Do we have any lawyers out there with experience in constitutional law that would like to comment on the viability of a fifth amendment defense in these circumstances?

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

Just a bit of fuel to the fire. Does this agency pay taxes? Do the owners? Do the "employees" get a 1099? You can PO local LE and states attorneys but if they get a wild hair across their ass and call in the IRS you are fuked and not in the good way.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1569624]Many high-end services in New York don't ask questions of anyone who's been referred to them by an already existing and trusted client. That's how those who really don't care if you know their name and address become their clients initially but then drug along those of their friends that prefer not to give out their personal info. I think considering our environment that's very professional, kind of balances out the service's security needs with sensitivity of those who prefer not to reveal anything about themselves.[/QUOTE]Which is exactly the kind of tactic that Uncle Leo frequently uses. While I will certainly consider references from already screened clients, I'll still need more than that alone.

I screen, many other providers and agencies do as well. It's certainly your choice not to submit to screening, there are providers out there who will see you without it, just as their are plenty of clients who have no problem with screening (and even appreciate it). But not submitting to screening will limit your options, just as I limit mine by requiring it. I turn down probably 70% of the calls I get every day because they can not, or will not, pass my screening. But the safety of my girls and myself are my utmost priority, and it's not a subject that's open to negotiation.

Xoxo.

Nyx

[QUOTE=Ho Hunter 328; 1569291]I'd assume the information is kept so that clients don't need to be screened every time they call, I doubt she could keep track of them all without records. Remember, we're not talking about an independent who sees every client themselves, but an agency that combined probably sees several hundred clients per year. Then there's also other agencies or independents contacting her for references to consider as well.

As for the obstruction of justice, see my previous post on the fifth amendment.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]But if there are multiple people with access to it, you can question the other person about ti and you have no 5th amendment worry.

[QUOTE=Hags Joe;1569735]But if there are multiple people with access to it, you can question the other person about ti and you have no 5th amendment worry.[/QUOTE]Under the new law, whether you own an agency, are a pimp, driver, or just answer the phones, you're equally guilty of the same charge (and the minimum mandatory 5 years). Now maybe if they were offering immunity to one person with access in order to prosecute another person, that could be an issue. I'm honestly not sure who, if anyone, other than Nyx has access. I don't ask her about that part of her business, and she doesn't offer to tell me. She is a close friend of mine, and we do hang out socially, but we both know the possible risks involved with some types of information and avoid those subjects.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

Hey, I want to make a point without referring to Nyx or anyone directly and without being too explicit so this may sound like I'm not quite saying what I want to say. How can I put this?

I just wanted to say that in the face of what you've mentioned below, it scares the expletive out of me to think that a person who runs an agency would be posting on this site; and what if LE is indeed watching the site, and what if they decide to try to track or pursue someone in that position. Wouldn't it be safer for a person who runs an agency to just be an indie and thereby risk less if caught? I guess there are pros (money) and cons (risk). Someone so young to take that kind of risk is just mind boggling. (And you know, as an aside, it makes me realize that I really wish they would change the laws regarding this because it's a waste to prosecute for that kind of thing in my opinion. A waste of the lives of those implicated, and a waste of taxpayer money and a waste of the court's time and. Such a waste. Except for places that have people against their will. Such places should definitely be closed down and people rescued in my opinion).

I think if I were running an agency I might just get out now, take my cards (risk) off the table so to speak, while I was still safe, and then maybe start up again as an indie or something. Or never post on sites like this. I suppose there are ways to make sure one never services a LEO but. Still would make me very nervous. So. What's my point? I guess it's mind boggling the risk that's being undertaken, it's stupid that such activity is illegal instead of regulated, and wow I'm just shocked at the vulnerability of an agency person who is so easy to find on the internet. I'm a little new to all this so it's just shocking. I do recall someone saying that LE doesn't care about indies so much as people who have others in the trade against their will. I would hope so but probably that's too much to hope for.

[QUOTE=Ho Hunter 328; 1569857]Under the new law, whether you own an agency, are a pimp, driver, or just answer the phones, you're equally guilty of the same charge (and the minimum mandatory 5 years). Now maybe if they were offering immunity to one person with access in order to prosecute another person, that could be an issue. I'm honestly not sure who, if anyone, other than Nyx has access. I don't ask her about that part of her business, and she doesn't offer to tell me. She is a close friend of mine, and we do hang out socially, but we both know the possible risks involved with some types of information and avoid those subjects.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyx GG; 1569731]I screen, many other providers and agencies do as well. It's certainly your choice not to submit to screening, there are providers out there who will see you without it, just as their are plenty of clients who have no problem with screening (and even appreciate it). But not submitting to screening will limit your options, just as I limit mine by requiring it. I turn down probably 70% of the calls I get every day because they can not, or will not, pass my screening. But the safety of my girls and myself are my utmost priority, and it's not a subject that's open to negotiation.

Xoxo.

Nyx[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why would one "appreciate" screening but the rest are fare enough.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1569946]I'm not sure why would one "appreciate" screening but the rest are fare enough.[/QUOTE]I appreciate screening because it means the provider is serious about protectiing herself and her girls, this running a secure operation. I don't want to see someone who is careless about who they see. They're more likely to also be careless with their operation and be vulnerable to arrest. Also means they don't care much about how they run the service. If they're safe, we're safe.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1569946]I'm not sure why would one "appreciate" screening but the rest are fare enough.[/QUOTE]Is that one would think the agency is very cautious and thus is safer for everyone involved.

Secrets are no longer secrets when two individuals know about it. With technology today anyone and I mean anyone can gain access to your info whether it is through the internet, town, city halls, public records just to name a few. We all know that agencies and girls have notes on us and they leave a paper trail that I do not want to be a part of. Usng drop phones and I stay away from agencies, and only deal with individuals. A learning process for us all will be when the names from the Kennebunk ME bust comes out. Becareful out there.

[QUOTE=JimmyMcC;1570024]I appreciate screening because it means the provider is serious about protectiing herself and her girls, this running a secure operation. I don't want to see someone who is careless about who they see. They're more likely to also be careless with their operation and be vulnerable to arrest. Also means they don't care much about how they run the service. If they're safe, we're safe.[/QUOTE]And the Kennebunkport lesson meant nothing to you? Or DC Madame's? Or Eliot Spitzer's? No info means no trace. The more I know about you, the more I can use against you if the situation presents itself when I should. Isn't it just common sense? I mean, there is a reason why lawyers don't want their clients talking, like at all! They don't want them to provide the other party with more information then the other party already has or they are required to provide the other party with!

Look, it's like this, if providers don't ask you questions you have to make sure that they are safe bet yourself. Be more explicit on the phone about what you want them to do. If she seems like she doesn't want to answer directly, chances are she is either not going to provide you with what you're asking for, or there maybe something else wrong. I'd move on to another provider. If she answers ok, chances are you're fine at least on the cops front. It's not a foolproof recipe but nothing is. The rule of thumb is simple: the more variety of providers you want, the more chances you'd be taking.

However if you provide your personal info to the service, it really is out of your hands now. In many ways they are the once who are in control of you now. If they want to blackmail you and you have something to be blackmailed about, they can. Doesn't mean that they will. But can they? Of course. If you would like me to spell it out for you how would I go about blackmailing you if I'd known your real name, let alone your address and phone# if I'd wish to blackmail you (which believe me I don't) ask me, I'd spell it out. And it would [I]not[/I] Involve anything advanced like trying to find you out via your computer's IP address or anything like that.

On the other hand, if the service gets busted, chances of them [I]not[/I] Taking you along for the ride would be very slim. Don't forget, you said it yourself,"[I]they are serious about protecting themselves and their girls[/I]" Trust me you come distant third, if not thirteenth. If I'd be you and I found out that some service that you provided your personal info to got busted I'd take an extended vacation to Brazil, or hasten mightily my long thought of retirement to Costa Rica.

Because if you persist to stay here chances are pretty soon you'd find yourself quite famous among your friends and coworkers and not for the things you'd want to be famous about. You may even find that some changes have just been filed against yourself too.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1570237]Look, it's like this, if providers don't ask you questions you have to make sure that they are safe bet yourself. Be more explicit on the phone about what you want them to do. If she seems like she doesn't want to answer directly, chances are she is either not going to provide you with what you're asking for, or there maybe something else wrong. I'd move on to another provider. If she answers ok, chances are you're fine at least on the cops front. It's not a foolproof recipe but nothing is. The rule of thumb is simple: the more variety of providers you want, the more chances you'd be taking.[/QUOTE]What provider in her right mind would discuss anything explicit over the phone with someone they've never met? That's just begging to get busted. If anyone tried that with me, I'd just hang up on them.

As for you being safe if she does, that's equally ridiculous. LE can say whatever they want once you've broached the subject. They'll agree to anything you request, at whatever price you offer, because all they want is to get you in front of them so they can bust you.

Xoxo.

Nyx

[QUOTE=Nyx GG; 1570442]What provider in her right mind would discuss anything explicit over the phone with someone they've never met? That's just begging to get busted. If anyone tried that with me, I'd just hang up on them.

As for you being safe if she does, that's equally ridiculous. LE can say whatever they want once you've broached the subject. They'll agree to anything you request, at whatever price you offer, because all they want is to get you in front of them so they can bust you.

Xoxo.

Nyx[/QUOTE]Yeah-ah but there are ways to discuss things using certain abbreviations that we all love, like GFE, BBBJ, DFK, etc. To which you know if they don't say [I]yes[/I] Or say: [I]we can discuss it in person[/I], or [I]you can discuss it with the girl when you see her[/I], or just plainly hang up on you. In all of those case you can safely assume that it just simply ain't happening. If you've been on the prowl one tenth, no, one hundredth, of the time that I've been on it, you know it as "the holy truth". LOL.

And look, come on, no matter how you go about things, we can agree that there is no such thing as being completely safe when we're doing what we're doing. If you spend too much time registering yourself on their radar screen they'll get you no matter how careful you are.

In my opinion, the safest provider can be in such an environment is by quickly acquiring clients that work in the right places. You'd be surprised how many of them would arrest you in the morning but would be your clients at night or the other way around. So many of them are former military that spent much time on liberty hitting every dubious establishment possible and during their get-togethers with their former military bodies they still nostalgically reminisce about their One Nights in Bangcocks. LOL. How would she best attract such clients? I've no idea I'm not a provider but I can assure you that none of them would allow you to verify themselves. If they do then I refuse to pay taxes. LOL

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;1570574]Yeah-ah but there are ways to discuss things using certain abbreviations that we all love, like GFE, BBBJ, DFK, etc. To which you know if they don't say [I]yes[/I] Or say: [I]we can discuss it in person[/I], or [I]you can discuss it with the girl when you see her[/I], or just plainly hang up on you. In all of those case you can safely assume that it just simply ain't happening. If you've been on the prowl one tenth, no, one hundredth, of the time that I've been on it, you know it as "the holy truth". LOL.[/QUOTE]Nrlmus, I couldn't disagree with you more on the point of explicit phone talk. The only time I would mention ANYTHING explicit, be it euphemisms, abbreviations, or what have you, is trying to flush out a sting.

In my opinion, any provider that discusses such things over the phone with an unknown client is either:

A) LEO setting you up for a welcoming party, or.

B) Careless, and putting you at risk of being in the area when LEO decides to crash her party.

Now you can extoll the virtues of this kind of behavior all you like, but you won't convince me otherwise. That's why we have boards like this, and oThERs to guide us and share info with each other.

Granted, some one has to take one for the team once in a while, but to use your approach just seems like asking for trouble. Any legit provider is going to hang up on you like Nyx said, and then where are you? You've just alienated a potentially good provider.

Recognizing the warning signs for an up-sell scam or thief, and protecting yourself accordingly is a lot less risky IMHO.

Case in point: How explicit phone talk can backfire and leave you in a pinch. (or more accurately, getting pinched)

Check the posts from the past couple days. I would have linked directly to the post, but that feature doesn't appear to have worked for some time now.

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