It was not a hate crime, but the Left isn't buying it
I've never gotten political on this board before, but the (liberal) National Media wants this to be a hate crime.
MSNBC is even doubting the perp's own confession that he's a sex addict and himself saying [I]This is not a hate crime[/I]. T doesn't fit their immediate narrative that this is a hate crime. That way they can blame Trump's "China Virus" talk, and blame Republicans. And find something slanderous to report, because they sure don't want to have to report on the border crisis or Cuomo. They want to keep the Anti-Trump story going.
This whole story would take on a "George Flynn" life of it's own if the perp had not survived. Now the regretful liberal media is having to backtrack, or at least slow down, all of the "hate crime" talk.
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;5258996]Most of the national media are saying it's likely a hate crime, or religious zealot. [/QUOTE]
He went to three AMSs. That is not random
I hope you folks don't mind another out of stater offering his thoughts on this issue. I came by here mostly looking for an answer to the question of what the female customer was doing at an AMP. I thank Wiseacre and BBInsider for providing an answer.
According to the sheriff, the shooter says he was fighting temptation. He was raised as a fundamentalist Baptist and was active in the church as a youth. My speculation is that he learned a lot of guilt around sex and could not deal with his own needs. That should tell us something about society that is worthy of contemplation. I don't think it is enough just to dismiss this as the act of one crazy guy.
But the fact remains that he targeted Asian sex workers, when there are so many types of sex workers that he could have gone after. Why the AMPs. From what has been in the paper, it sounds like he went to AMPs to get his release. So, no, he did not go hunting random Asians, he picked Asians who were associated in his mind with his sexual compulsion and his guilt. Did he fetishize Asian women, which I've seen occasionally in posts in these fora? And why is there this specialized industry of AMPs, while at least in parts of the country I am familiar with, most other types of massage parlors offering sexual release have been driven out of business. Why have the AMPs survived and flourished? It is clearly not because they dominate the sex industry. On the streets, in strip clubs, in the escort fields, Asian women are in the minority. What is is about massage business that has enabled them to dominate? I don't have the answer, I'm just asking questions, trying to find a more nuanced way of thinking about this situation other than the extremes of "Asians were killed so it was obviously racist" on the one hand, and the idea that raising race is twisting the issue.
To close, the one thing that did strike me as most racist was the way the sheriff spoke, displaying so much understanding of the poor white kid who could not deal with his sexual urges while showing so little concern for the victims. Now, you can prove me wrong on this if you can show me clips of him reacting the same way to a shooting by a black kid.
[QUOTE=Grover13;5260967]First, I haven't been on these boards in years but I use to participate and this was the first place I decided to look for news. Second, this whole thing was a senseless killing of innocent people by a crazy guy. Third, I want to respectfully challenge all of the hate crime sentiment that is being thrown around. Again, this guy was a crazy guy who I have no doubt was motivated by the industry and whatever weird temptations he felt. If he was gay and these were gay spas with homosexual men who were shot, that would be called a hate crime. If this industry was Hispanic, it would be called a hate crime. If it was white women, it would be called a misogynistic hate crime. Correlation is not causation. If he hated asians, he would have gone to Buford highway and shot up a flea market or a Ramen noodle shop. This was Spa specific and spas happen to be run by Asian women. Why does everything have to be twisted to prove there is hatred in this country?[/QUOTE]
There going to Shut down All the Spas and Massage Parlors just watch
He told the police that he's been to the Spas there many times before for Sex.
I believe him he guy is a crazy sex addict that snap I don't think has anything to do with them being Asian.
He was Fucking them Just give him the death sentence.
But I garrentee Police Feds Shut those Places down Gold Spa Aroma thererphy and St James spa near each other I've been to them Had Sex with beautiful Asians iam sorry this happen there just trying to make a living those bussiness.
Hate Crime. Against Sex Workers
[QUOTE=MrMike1952;5261669]I hope you folks don't mind another out of stater offering his thoughts on this issue. I came by here mostly looking for an answer to the question of what the female customer was doing at an AMP. I thank Wiseacre and BBInsider for providing an answer.
According to the sheriff, the shooter says he was fighting temptation. He was raised as a fundamentalist Baptist and was active in the church as a youth. My speculation is that he learned a lot of guilt around sex and could not deal with his own needs. That should tell us something about society that is worthy of contemplation. I don't think it is enough just to dismiss this as the act of one crazy guy.
But the fact remains that he targeted Asian sex workers, when there are so many types of sex workers that he could have gone after. Why the AMPs. From what has been in the paper, it sounds like he went to AMPs to get his release. So, no, he did not go hunting random Asians, he picked Asians who were associated in his mind with his sexual compulsion and his guilt. Did he fetishize Asian women, which I've seen occasionally in posts in these fora? And why is there this specialized industry of AMPs, while at least in parts of the country I am familiar with, most other types of massage parlors offering sexual release have been driven out of business. Why have the AMPs survived and flourished? It is clearly not because they dominate the sex industry. On the streets, in strip clubs, in the escort fields, Asian women are in the minority. What is is about massage business that has enabled them to dominate? I don't have the answer, I'm just asking questions, trying to find a more nuanced way of thinking about this situation other than the extremes of "Asians were killed so it was obviously racist" on the one hand, and the idea that raising race is twisting the issue.
To close, the one thing that did strike me as most racist was the way the sheriff spoke, displaying so much understanding of the poor white kid who could not deal with his sexual urges while showing so little concern for the victims. Now, you can prove me wrong on this if you can show me clips of him reacting the same way to a shooting by a black kid.[/QUOTE]The guy went to AMPs because they are probably the easiest most convenient (and possibly cheapest) way to get sexual gratification. Where else can a loner get a release for $100 or less? True that it's probably not right to dismiss the kid as just crazy. He was certainly driven to guilt by our puritanical society and his Baptist upbringing. I don't want to knock the Church because it serves a purpose but the reality is that the US has stigmatized sex workers for centuries and that certainly added to this guys guilt. The real hate crime was against sex workers in my opinion. That message doesn't serve left wing (or even right wing) America, but that's the truth. He killed these women because he went to these spas and couldn't control himself or his guilt. He felt guilty b / c our society says he is supposed to feel guilty. Same reason he was going to Florida to shoot up the porn industry. If he had more money and was seeing white Atlanta dominatrixes (who are $350/ hr and thus not as convenient to this guy) he would have shot them instead. Again, his hatred was 100% for sex workers, AND NOT Asians. If we want to say it was a hate crime, let's get the hate right and point the finger at a country that has stigmatized sex workers. That will never happen though. Instead, the liberal media has another great sound byte to spread the continual fertilizing of its self serving fallacy that we all hate each other in America.
Just another Effing opinion
The one thing we do know is that this guy is not 100% all there. No normal human does this. Period.
Maybe he's a sex addict like he says, and maybe not. Most stories I hear is that young guys can't get into the spas. I'd be more inclined to believe that because he's young, he got rebuffed by the spas, and he went off.
The reality is we'll probably never know for sure.
Stay safe everyone.
Why you don't charge him with a hate crime.
[QUOTE=Bbinsider;5262214]The guy killed eight people. This is Georgia, Cherokee county no less. He is going to jail for life and will never get out. Why does it matter if they tack on a hate crime charge?[/QUOTE]Do you want this to set a precedent that every time a crime happens and the people are not of the same race then we'll just "tack on a hate crime"? That is exactly what will happen, two guys will get drunk in a bar, get into a fight, and one will be charged with assault, and oh yeah a hate crime because they weren't the same race. Wake up and smell what left wing radicals are trying to do to this country, they keep driving a racial stake between us because democrats have and always will benefit from racial division.
American Psychiatric Association does not consider sexual addiction as an illness
[QUOTE=Bbinsider;5262214]The guy killed eight people. This is Georgia, Cherokee county no less. He is going to jail for life and will never get out. Why does it matter if they tack on a hate crime charge?[/QUOTE]APA's DSM-V states if hypersexuality presents it is symptom of hypomania or mania in bipolar disorder or schizoaffective disorders, which millions of people are afflicted with in America. The police is infinitely ignorant to state sexual addiction as the motive basically muddying the water for seeking justice for the lives lost.
The Feds and the Police are going to Shut down Every Spa and Massage Place
In metro Atlanta we all know that everyone knows people be Fucking in those Spas.
Shooter told Them he goes there for sex Atlanta mayor knee that Atlanta police know that.
They not really talking about it now.
But we all know Every Place is getting shut down.
You Atlanta guys sound stupid on here why'all think the Feds and police Stupid they know Prostition goes on in Asian Spas and massage Parlors.
They going to raid and Arrest Every body.
The guy was a customer he wasn't a racist just crazy and snapped dumb ass lunitic.