Strip Club Reports

To each his own, We never know what each provider does with each client when they do it or how they do it. All we can do is go about this hobby in the safest manner as possible. Condoms break nothing is fool proof but at the same time that doesn't mean to take unnecessary risks. I frequent cheaters as well as spas and traditional escorts and I must say for the most port the girls are on their p's and q's about safety. You may get higher mileage with repeat business but this must be within your comfort level some people have a problem with bbbj some do not. Everyone be safe get tested regularly and try to have fun.

Back before the law change Kat used to charge 150 for a bj and 200 for everything up in the curtain booths.

Since the private area has moved to downstairs I have heard many of the girls have tried to raise prices.

Kat was fun in the lap dance room.

Can we please get back to the point I raised? This was supposed to be a discussion about whether to pay up-front, and risk losing the $, or to insist on paying only after services have been rendered. Forget about the specific services-it makes no difference. The problem I was addressing was getting ripped off after a girl promises any service, but then gets you into the booth, takes your money, and then intentionally fails to deliver. How many hundreds have each of you lost as a result of this? Does this not present a troubling problem to anybody? Or do you like losing money as well as perpetuating the dishonest behavior? My suggestion was to simply refuse to play the rob game. The girls who are honest will continue to make money-in fact, much more money, because guys will gravitate towards them and away from the robs. The robs will then either be forced to mend their ways, or else go into a different biz where theivery and dishonesty are tolerated. The bottom line is, we, the paying customer, can simply put and end to this practice by refusing to pay up-front!

So, who's with me on this?! I, for one, am willing to let some gorgeous piece of ass walk, if she is not willing to accept payment after services are rendered, as is done in most other professions. When was the last time you paid your waitress up-front in a sit-down restaurant? Or you barber? Or you auto mechanic. Or you dentist. How many of you are willing to let that gorgeous piece of hot young ass walk, who is grabbing your dick and promising you the moon.

Anyone?

[QUOTE=Doctor Love]Can we please get back to the point I raised? This was supposed to be a discussion about whether to pay up-front, and risk losing the $, or to insist on paying only after services have been rendered. Forget about the specific services-it makes no difference.
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Actually I think it does make a huge difference Doc.

I honestly can't remember the last time I had a stripper ask me to pay them up front and this includes incidences where full service activities were about to occur. Then again, I can't recall ever asking a stripper to have bare-back sex with me. Coincidence? I think not!

Also, when it comes to CH you have to remember that you are really not dealing with dancers anymore, you are dealing with hookers and hookers always want the money up front...

FWIW, I'm with you, I never pay up front in strip clubs...

[QUOTE=Boston Guy 57]

FWIW, I'm with you, I never pay up front in strip clubs...[/QUOTE]Ok, we are making progress! Thanks for the moral support on that, dude!

Now I am interested in whether or not you are not alone in standing your ground, and not paying up-front! I really DO NOT think it has much to do with the type of service, when it comes to a rob! After all, if the girl is dishonest, it is all about extracting as much money from you as possible-services notwithstanding, right?! I, for one, have been ripped off in the past for BBBJs as well-I have pre-negotiated BBBJs, only to have the rob slap a rubber on me once I fork over the cash! In other clubs, I have had girls take my money, then proceed to excuse herself, leave the booth, go "for a smoke", or "go to pee" or whatever-and then not return till the booth time was up! And, among the many PMs I've gotten in response to this, many have told me that they have run into the same problem for many other types of "services". One gent said that a girl promised DFK. Then she took his money and-guess what-NO DFK! Am I to believe that these types of scenarios are rare? They are VERY common, in my experience, and that is exactly why these robs feel that they can get away with these tactics with impunity!

C'mon, dudes! I would bet the each and every one of you that has spent any significant amount of time in this hobby has had more than one similar expererince! If so, lets hear about them! And lets stand together on this! No more paying up front! No play, no pay! Period! We can do this!

Is this "paying up front" thing some kind of an anomaly among the indoor streetwalkers at Cheaters? In well over 20 years of clubbing I can count on one hand the number of times I've been asked to pay up front at a strip club. It just doesn't happen all that often.

[QUOTE=Boston Guy 57]Is this "paying up front" thing some kind of an anomaly among the indoor streetwalkers at Cheaters? In well over 20 years of clubbing I can count on one hand the number of times I've been asked to pay up front at a strip club. It just doesn't happen all that often.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are living in some parallel universe?! Any other ideas on this? Anyone? I have found that MOST Cheaters girls require payment upfront! Ditto for other clubs. I'm taliking about BOOTH services-NOT lapdances! C'mon dudes-please chime in on this! Am I really the only one that has to pay up front? Nobody else has run into robs?

[QUOTE=Doctor Love]Maybe you are living in some parallel universe?![/QUOTE]

Well, I club in Providence (though I don't go to CH anymore),do mostly booth dances and get extras and full service to varying degrees. The last time a dancer asked me for money up front was in Philly a few years ago if memory serves. Now, I don't approach a lot of new dancers, I stick with regs who have proven that they know what I want. I'm also not asking women to risk their lives by having sex with me.

You may not think that what you are asking these women to do has a bearing on your problem. I maintain that the type of service you are asking for is only going to be performed by desperate women of less than average intelligence who are more likely to want cash up front and more likely to try to rip you off. Simply put, that is what cheap dumb hookers do...

[QUOTE=Boston Guy 57]Is this "paying up front" thing some kind of an anomaly among the indoor streetwalkers at Cheaters? In well over 20 years of clubbing I can count on one hand the number of times I've been asked to pay up front at a strip club. It just doesn't happen all that often.[/QUOTE]It could be a Cheaters/RI thing. As I think back to my all-strip club days, I paid after in most strip clubs (other than 1's/5's on the rail) Maybe because the back room bouncer controlled the handstamps to get into the back? Most other strip clubs I went to, the girl took me to the private booth without a bouncer/doorman.

In most clubs when I went VIP/Champagne rooms I usually paid via cash or CC after.

On my one booth trip at Cheaters, I did pay all the fees up front so the gatekeeper gave me the stamp to back area. Luckily I got what I agreed/paid for.

[QUOTE=Boston Guy 57]Well, I club in Providence (though I don't go to CH anymore),do mostly booth dances and get extras and full service to varying degrees. The last time a dancer asked me for money up front was in Philly a few years ago if memory serves. Now, I don't approach a lot of new dancers, I stick with regs who have proven that they know what I want. I'm also not asking women to risk their lives by having sex with me.

You may not think that what you are asking these women to do has a bearing on your problem. I maintain that the type of service you are asking for is only going to be performed by desperate women of less than average intelligence who are more likely to want cash up front and more likely to try to rip you off. Simply put, that is what cheap dumb hookers do...[/QUOTE]You made your point (several times now). Now: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE besides Boston Guy 57 who has never (or rarely) been asked to pay for "standard" booth services (e.g., BBBJ, CFS) up front?

[QUOTE=Doctor Love]You made your point (several times now). Now: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE besides Boston Guy 57 who has never (or rarely) been asked to pay for "standard" booth services (e.g., BBBJ, CFS) up front?[/QUOTE]
I tend to see the more mature girls in CH so I never have a problem with them. I have been asked for the $ up front before but it is always the 'wanna dance' type or the younger girls. It seems that these are the ones that ask for a tip after also. I have also prenegotiated certain things beforehand and they were not delivered. I for the most part now stick with girls I know in this place. Every once in a while I will stray with something different but always put a fair amount of chat time in first. I have also gotten sick of a couple regulars.

[QUOTE=Swingin Boston]It could be a Cheaters/RI thing. As I think back to my all-strip club days, I paid after in most strip clubs (other than 1's/5's on the rail) Maybe because the back room bouncer controlled the handstamps to get into the back? Most other strip clubs I went to, the girl took me to the private booth without a bouncer/doorman.[/QUOTE]I guess I might have been a bit unclear, and/or several guys are discussing different aspects of "payment". Now, the few times I have been in "upscale" VIP rooms (i.e., NOT Cheaters!) I have been asked to pay up front for the use of the room or booth. But I will concede the point that I have not been in enough of these "upscale" places to make a valid comparison. In Cheaters-type establishments, however (i.e., in the grungy, seedy dives with which I am VERY familiar!) for example, in the old El Centro in Miami, MSC in SF in its hay-day, and most South Florida Cheetah clubs, I have ALWAYS been required to pay for the booth facilities up front (except at MSC, for a while, where they actually installed machines that one had to constantly feed dollar bills!)

But what I was talking about, and what my POINT was, is that, in my experience at least, whether or not a rubber was used either for BJ or FS, the VAST MAJORITY of girls at Cheaters and similar clubs insist on THEIR fee up-front (I'm NOT talking about booth fees/entrance fees here--I'm talking about the GIRL's service fee!) In previous years, before I learned to always pre-negotiate specific services, I used to just negotiate "blow job" or "full service" without going into specific details about whether a rubber would be required. EVEN THEN, MOST GIRLS INSISTED ON PAYMENT UP FRONT! And EVEN THEN, I was ripped off quite a few times and got NADA because of girls disappearing from the booth to pee, to smoke, etc, and did not return till the time was up. Or else they agreed to FS but then in the booth, refused to do anything except an air dance! It was the rule rather the exception to find a girl that was willing to accept payment for FS and/or BJ afterwards. And again, not all girls that insisted on payment upfront were ROBs. But of course, if they WERE ROBs, then by definition, they must have insisted on payment up front! And of course, we all know that it is standard practice to pay escorts up front, so lets not open THAT can of worms!

But lets just focus this discussion on Cheaters right now, OK, since, at least here in RI, that is where the primary ROB problem appears to be.

So here are the questions--consider it an informal poll, if you will--YES or NO questions, for guys with some experience with BJ and FS in the Cheaters booths:

(1) At Cheaters, are you usually asked to pay up front for the girl's services, for BJ or FS (if it is a girl that you have not been with yet)?

(2) At Cheaters, have you ever been RIPPED OFF by a girl that you paid up-front for a specific service, but she did not deliver?

C'mon, all you guys that I have discussed this with by PM! Chime in here! Lets get some info about how widespread this problem really is!

[QUOTE=Willy O]I have also prenegotiated certain things beforehand and they were not delivered. I for the most part now stick with girls I know in this place. Every once in a while I will stray with something different but always put a fair amount of chat time in first. I have also gotten sick of a couple regulars.[/QUOTE]I hear you, dude! Thanks for that report! We ALL seek the variety--some more so than others, or we wouldn't be here in the first place! And my POINT is, that if we just refused to pay up-front, our problems would be solved!

And you are right--in my experience, it is the younger girls that tend to be the ROBs--at a ratio of about 2 to 1 in my experience--the cut-off age for mostly honest, ROB-free service, appearing to me to be about age 40!

I can report that uniformly, when I pay up front, I have a less satisfactory experience at CD.

Yesterday, I tried 2 new to me girls, both prepays, and both disappointments.

Heidi, a new tall brunette with a German accent shut me down, no extas. Silly me.

Another drink and I hooked up with T******, 5'4 spinner with long brown hair and a barbell pierced tongue. Talking with me before she was all over me, including some LFK right at the bar. In the booth she hits me with the absurd upsell for CFS, so I go for the BJ, $$.5, I'm figuring BBBJ, with a mean lap dance, instead I get a CBJ with less mileage than I got on the barstool.

Oh well, live and learn.

Most clubs want the room fees up front. I understand DL that you are talking about the dancer's fee and not cover or club room fees when you discuss paying in advance.

I'm curious about one thing. If you see a dancer again after dealing with the pay-first situation does she ask you to pay up-front the next time?