Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[QUOTE=Admin2;6756793]But I didn't want to throw more garbage on the floor of the review thread so I moved it here.

On the way to getting my MM (Master Monger) certificate I've run into a few ladies that are truly professional but they are really rare. A good buddy of mine used to say "chicks that make good decisions don't end up sucking cock for a living. " While that's not entirely true, some young ladies figure out that sucking dicks for 5-10 years is a great way out of poverty the vast majority are doing it because they have no skills and lack capacity to come up with a better way of making a living.

A2.[/QUOTE]Ok, mister Master Monger. Care to share some tips and techniques for how you go about finding safe, inexpensive, and at least average or better looking / fitness providers that are in decent locations and don't have demons or somebody helping them run a scam?

Edit: Sorry... I didn't mean for that to come across as belligerent or challenging. If there are ways to find good providers without going my route which leads to much higher priced providers, I'd love to hear about it.

[QUOTE=Admin2;6756799]But I didn't want to throw more garbage on the floor of the review thread so I moved it here.

On the way to getting my MM (Master Monger) certificate I've run into a few ladies that are truly professional but they are really rare. A good buddy of mine used to say "chicks that make good decisions don't end up sucking cock for a living. " While that's not entirely true, some young ladies figure out that sucking dicks for 5-10 years is a great way out of poverty the vast majority are doing it because they have no skills and lack capacity to come up with a better way of making a living.

A2.[/QUOTE]That thread was one of the more interesting discussions I've read on here--SW Economics 101. Very thought-provoking points on both sides.

[QUOTE=Admin2;6756793]On the way to getting my MM (Master Monger) certificate I've run into a few ladies that are truly professional but they are really rare.

A2.[/QUOTE]Let me respond again in a less argumentative way that will hopefully result in some more discussion. You said that you've run into a few truly professional ladies. Can you provide any more detail on how you found and selected these few professionals compared to the bulk of the rest of your encounters? I'd have to say that with the selection method that I use and have already described, nearly every one of the ladies that I've met came across as professional -- definitely some more than others. Since they are going through the work to build a professional looking website and market themselves through multiple channels on the web, they are definitely thinking of this as a business of providing a service, and not just a way to get by.

Since the debate about prices has risen again, I think most people focusing only on the price are not looking at the full picture. There are some people for whom seeing an escort is just a matter of getting their rocks off. They either have no need or want of a connection. The proverbial GFE. They want to get their dick sucked, and then they want to get off and that's it. These are the people who will more often than not say that 'no pussy is worth X'. The X varies for everyone. For some, it's no more worth than 60 or 80, or 100, and they're willing to take the risk of druggies, shady motels, uncles etc. These are usually the ones who'll just opt for a QV. Get in, get off, get out.

For some others, they don't just want a hole to put their dick into. They want some sort of a connection. They want to talk to someone, they want to kiss someone, and in some cases, also reciprocate and perform oral on the providers. Regardless of your views on whether it's gross or not to perform oral on a provider, I hope you'll agree that all of this comes at a cost. GFE comes at a cost. LFK / DFK, BBBJ, DATY which are the starting features of GFE come at a cost. Being demon-free comes at a cost. Being in a safe location comes at a cost. You can't expect a Samara or a Fiona to provide in an extended stay on Capital or New Bern. That's just asking for trouble.

I invite you to browse different escort sites and see if you can find a GFE provider (a provider with an ad / website / P411 etc) under 300/ hr in Raleigh, today. We recently saw 2 UTRs being introduced and their starting prices are 250/ hr. What happens once they become popular? Raising prices doesn't only mean GPS. It could also mean that providers are simply being contacted by way too many people, and raising prices reduces the effort they have to put in, because now less people will be contacting them. My personal limit is 400, and I've seen Fiona Ender at 400. But I've been priced out now, and thankfully I've found another great GFE within my price range whom I enjoy seeing.

I am not denying that the popularity can get to their heads, and I'm not denying that Tryst and Eros are often avenues where providers upcharge. Easiest example is xxAJ. I saw her post on STG for BJs at 80, yet at Tryst she's advertising 120. You want to call that GPS, go right ahead, I ain't stopping you. But there are providers who only post on Tryst, and there are providers who only post on STG. And more often than not, they're completely different types.

By all means call out providers who do what AJ did and charge different prices based on where they post. But please recognize that no one's paying 600 for Alexxa Nicole. They're paying 600 (if they are) for a demon free, safe, sophisticated provider who can actually hold a conversation and provide a completely different experience.

[QUOTE=Tawayem;6758332]Since the debate about prices has risen again, I think most people focusing only on the price are not looking at the full picture. There are some people for whom seeing an escort is just a matter of getting their rocks off. They either have no need or want of a connection. The proverbial GFE. They want to get their dick sucked, and then they want to get off and that's it. These are the people who will more often than not say that 'no pussy is worth X'. The X varies for everyone. For some, it's no more worth than 60 or 80, or 100, and they're willing to take the risk of druggies, shady motels, uncles etc. These are usually the ones who'll just opt for a QV. Get in, get off, get out.

For some others, they don't just want a hole to put their dick into. They want some sort of a connection. They want to talk to someone, they want to kiss someone, and in some cases, also reciprocate and perform oral on the providers. Regardless of your views on whether it's gross or not to perform oral on a provider, I hope you'll agree that all of this comes at a cost. GFE comes at a cost. LFK / DFK, BBBJ, DATY which are the starting features of GFE come at a cost. Being demon-free comes at a cost. Being in a safe location comes at a cost. You can't expect a Samara or a Fiona to provide in an extended stay on Capital or New Bern. That's just asking for trouble.

I invite you to browse different escort sites and see if you can find a GFE provider (a provider with an ad / website / P411 etc) under 300/ hr in Raleigh, today. We recently saw 2 UTRs being introduced and their starting prices are 250/ hr. What happens once they become popular? Raising prices doesn't only mean GPS. It could also mean that providers are simply being contacted by way too many people, and raising prices reduces the effort they have to put in, because now less people will be contacting them. My personal limit is 400, and I've seen Fiona Ender at 400. But I've been priced out now, and thankfully I've found another great GFE within my price range whom I enjoy seeing.

I am not denying that the popularity can get to their heads, and I'm not denying that Tryst and Eros are often avenues where providers upcharge. Easiest example is xxAJ. I saw her post on STG for BJs at 80, yet at Tryst she's advertising 120. You want to call that GPS, go right ahead, I ain't stopping you. But there are providers who only post on Tryst, and there are providers who only post on STG. And more often than not, they're completely different types.

By all means call out providers who do what AJ did and charge different prices based on where they post. But please recognize that no one's paying 600 for Alexxa Nicole. They're paying 600 (if they are) for a demon free, safe, sophisticated provider who can actually hold a conversation and provide a completely different experience.[/QUOTE]Sadly or maybe funny that most that feel they have a connection are just simping to a professional whose job it is to manipulate men. A lunch, extra 15 minutes, cute smile and a comment to make you feel good. Next thing you know you are buying gifts, paying bills, being on call if they need anything. Cigarettes, a ride or even money. The connection one might feel is not reciprocated. It's ok to have a fantasy relationship with a provider. Just don't get heart broken when she tires of you or can no longer get what she wants out of you. And no, it's not a connection, it's a job.

You're confusing the addicts with the professionals. None of the GFE providers I've seen have ever asked me for anything. 3 years ago when I was a noob an addict was the one who fed me sob story after sob story and took me for 300. And yet the GFE professionals have never contacted me for anything. No cigarettes, no "lease cosigner" like AJ is doing now, nothing. We understand why we're meeting, but we have fun. Like I said in my previous post, I don't have to worry about drugs, bfs, being robbed, being run out on after taking the money. Nothing.

[QUOTE=Tawayem;6758710]You're confusing the addicts with the professionals. None of the GFE providers I've seen have ever asked me for anything. 3 years ago when I was a noob an addict was the one who fed me sob story after sob story and took me for 300. And yet the GFE professionals have never contacted me for anything. No cigarettes, no "lease cosigner" like AJ is doing now, nothing. We understand why we're meeting, but we have fun. Like I said in my previous post, I don't have to worry about drugs, bfs, being robbed, being run out on after taking the money. Nothing.[/QUOTE]Oh wow. Some genius will end up doing that. No, I meant the professionals. They are all professionals at using men. Some are just more discreet or don't want the drama of a "relationship". I get what you are saying. My comment was a shotgun blast. Not aiming at anyone.

It will always depend on what you want and how much you are willing to pay for it. It's the same as shopping different stores for better prices and sales, and what you end of paying is based on how much effort, time, distance, and cost of goods you are willing to accept. Those who are saying "don't pay to bring down the costs" forget that there is a very high probability that not everyone who sees these providers use this forum. So even if 20 people here stopped seeing X provider to try to bring down her rates, there is more than likely 20 more people who don't post that will. I have my standards and will stick with them in order to get what I want; if that means I have to change providers then I do so.

[QUOTE=Tawayem;6758332]Since the debate about prices has risen again...[/QUOTE]Tawayem, thank you for a well written post that does a great job of explaining both sides of the argument.

[QUOTE=GWV90;6758637]Sadly or maybe funny that most that feel they have a connection are just simping to a professional whose job it is to manipulate men.[/QUOTE]GWV90, I don't feel that having good conversation and experiencing an encounter where both people seem to genuinely enjoy being together is being manipulated. Sure, there may be some acting on their part, maybe a lot, and I don't believe that they will spend much time thinking back fondly on our encounter. But, I am getting something that I need and am not getting at home when I have a good GFE. I'm feeling closeness and intimacy with another person.

I agree. I've found that moving way higher in the bench line-up. And booking higher grade escorts who understand the game we're playing. Is the way to a pleasurable experience. She acts like she wants to be with me, is excited, fulfilled sexually and wants to see me again. I treat her with total respect, care for her pleasure, pay her, tip her, treat her like a real gf. It's transactional. Just a question of finding / choosing the right escorts. There's lots of them out there.

[QUOTE=Tawayem;6758710]You're confusing the addicts with the professionals. None of the GFE providers I've seen have ever asked me for anything. 3 years ago when I was a noob an addict was the one who fed me sob story after sob story and took me for 300. And yet the GFE professionals have never contacted me for anything. No cigarettes, no "lease cosigner" like AJ is doing now, nothing. We understand why we're meeting, but we have fun. Like I said in my previous post, I don't have to worry about drugs, bfs, being robbed, being run out on after taking the money. Nothing.[/QUOTE]

This is not a rant, but I am posting here since it is not reviewing a specific escort. Not trying to be confrontational, legitimately want thoughts from the forum. I have copied and pasted an excerpt from the ad which is at the bottom, for reference.

My initial thoughts all point to "he should not have done that. " Whatever lies / drama / disrespect / demons were encountered, they were obvious before the deed was done. He even mentioned that he asked her to leave and that is what finally ended her hesitation.

Have her leave for real. Negotiate a lower rate before paying & fucking. Or, go through with the deal, write a bad review, and never see her again. Once he fucked her even if he felt the rate was too high for the service rendered, rescinding payment on the basis of fraud seems wrong to me. It's unfair to her. It potentially puts her in danger, if a pimp or dealer takes it out on her. It only encourages providers to scam us before they get scammed by us.

My post history is consistent, I am all about identifying and avoiding providers who are unsafe, scamming, or aren't worth it. I'm not seeing this method as the way to do it (especially when there were obvious indications that the encounter would not live up to expectations).

Am I missing something or over reacting? I want to know the thoughts of other mongers.

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The donation, I send it via Cashapp to her "Brother" she called a woman on the phone and got the cashapp name. The donation was $160.

After all the above. BB missionary that I don't even pop to, I just stroked until I was almost done and last few pumps filled her up. She cleans up in the bathroom then I walk her out. During the visit it was very clear she was heavy into her demons. The add is a flat out lie. No Drama, No Disrespect? Both where apparent.

So she's gone now and I go to cashapp and ask for a refund due to fraud and "I didn't have my phone in my possession at the time" The mid morning of this visit I get an email from cashapp "Your money has been refunded" So I got a victory for all of us. I got my money back. My sacrifice to save all of us fellow hobbyist.

I had the same reaction, but don't want to violate the big yellow warning at the top of our subforum.

[QUOTE=Tawayem;6758332]
What happens once they become popular? Raising prices doesn't only mean GPS. It could also mean that providers are simply being contacted by way too many people, and raising prices reduces the effort they have to put in, because now less people will be contacting them. My personal limit is 400, and I've seen Fiona Ender at 400. [/QUOTE]I feel like it's both. I think large price jumps are more about making more money than limiting clients. One provider told me that if she gets a stable of regulars, she only posts when she needs to and since she used a texting app only accepted messages from numbers she had saved. There's another provider who largely sees older guy and in the past few years she's barely raised her price. She even wrote on twitter IIRC that in response to having some guys tell her to charge more she flatly said no. She made it clear that she doesn't see tons of guys and she realizes that many of them are older and travel 1+ hours to see her. So unless her personal circumstances change, she's not raising the price.

The best advice is to is be like you and have a limit. Sure your ATF might price herself out of your range but at least you don't go broke.

[QUOTE=Raleighassman;6759286]I agree. I've found that moving way higher in the bench line-up. And booking higher grade escorts who understand the game we're playing. Is the way to a pleasurable experience. She acts like she wants to be with me, is excited, fulfilled sexually and wants to see me again. I treat her with total respect, care for her pleasure, pay her, tip her, treat her like a real gf. It's transactional. Just a question of finding / choosing the right escorts. There's lots of them out there.[/QUOTE]I've found that this can be hit and miss. I've splurged on the 500+ range and had terrible experience while the 60 chick turned her phone off for a round 2. Ultimately IME for this hobby price doesn't equal value and you don't know the value until you hand the money over which is why above a certain amount you need to really treat it like a business transaction. If I'm paying 500+ I need a picture of your face and you're going to answer my questions about your services. I also don't give out my personal details which has caused me to get ghosted by some "high end providers" but if they're not providing I'd neither am I.

If you have sex with someone for an agreed amount, then no matter how bad it is, as long as they delivered, you should pay the amount agreed. And then just never repeat if you didn't enjoy.

Stealing from someone who has delivered their side of the bargain is not a "win for all of us". Instead it means there is at least one woman out there looking for revenge from the next one of us, and more that hear about it and then become more guarded and more likely to feel it's ok to screw one of us over.