"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4612692]So many of these girls on SA delete their profiles, just to put them back up later or do a new profile.

They do it for different reasons, but it's frustrating when so many of the links with important info, the good, the bad & the ugly, can't be tied to a potential Babies image.

A pic will let us know who the post is about & can be saved for future reference.

Thanks!

DF.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. From now on I will be doing exactly that. I don't think this violates the PII policy.

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;4614867]Interesting. Love the monger board. Attached screenshot of SA profile per someones recommendation because of deleted profiles.[/QUOTE]I've noticed that if the location is the state, state then it is likely a fake profile.

SA will let any new girls post a profile if its halfway legit. They need news girls to make us keep paying. Its best to just post a pic as suggested. Because guys yelling to report and ban them it does no good. Yea they are banned (if you are lucky) but they are up and running with a new profile in less than 12 hours. Now you have brought attention to your profile for doing it and they will flag you and ban you if they get a whiff of anything questionable you are messaging. Block them, report them here with a pic and move on. If you have a vagina you can do anything practically anything on there except underage for free on there. Accept it, fuck young girls and let it go.

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;4614873]Agree 100%. From now on I will be doing exactly that. I don't think this violates the PII policy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Grafenberg;4614939]I've noticed that if the location is the state, state then it is likely a fake profile.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have noticed Maryland, Maryland; Virginia, Virginia; and several others where the city name is the state name. I think that works in New York, New York (NYC), but not other states. Often the person with that profile has logged on from another country. I think it has been a fake, scammer, or photo seller in every case I've seen. They apparently have no knowledge of geography.

[QUOTE=DrTravel2015;4614984]Yes, I have noticed Maryland, Maryland; Virginia, Virginia; and several others where the city name is the state name. I think that works in New York, New York (NYC), but not other states. Often the person with that profile has logged on from another country. I think it has been a fake, scammer, or photo seller in every case I've seen. They apparently have no knowledge of geography.[/QUOTE]I am opening up a black hole here, but I wonder (not obsessively, nor pathologically, but upon occasion) what the motivation is for the time and effort it takes to dupe me into driving to a location for a meet. Once it has become clear that there is no additional financial incentive (which I get 100% what is the point? Do they hate mongers? (I love the quote in the Bible RE: whoremongers, I often quote that passage to my monger friends) , Is it sociopathy or sociopathic traits? A DSM 5 diagnosable condition (likely because of the extent of the abberancy). It is truly fucked up. I am not complaining so much as simply noting this from an socioanthropological point of view. From a practical point of view, and the reason for my attempt at understanding, is that it is a cost associated charged against my mongering. That does make me a bit angry. I appreciate the observable metrics so as to recognize and rapidly deprecate the particular instance of pursuit in order to more efficiently fuck young hot young pussy. The main question I have is there no reason for pursuing questionable profiles in the unlikely event that you may score some hot young pussy? I suppose that is a personal decision. In any event, my goal is to fuck hot young pussy. (There, I said it 3 times. That is the gist of this post-- fuck hot young pussy. Everything else you can ignore.).

Thanks. Yeah the thrill of a little chase definitely gets my blood pumping. With all the tips for newbies SB's going around I think it's getting harder to find girls who aren't the monger attracting type.

Guess at this point I'll be more confident after the meet and greets, I'll hopefully find some I can disarm.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4610933]You will probably find a monger bias on most Internet forums on the subject, but if you're a newbie and looking for newbie girls not yet ready to drop the panties, they are out there. Just try to come across as the friendly yet very "helpful and generous" type to the young ones that mention being new and / or platonic. Platonic situations are definitely not my angle but I've found and successfully cracked open more than one genuine virgin doing this; the sky is the limit on what you can find out there, given enough time investment. That's the real key, time is money. If you want it fast and cheap, be prepared to open the wallet. If you don't like opening the wallet and want cheap and quality, be prepared to donate time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;4615169]I am opening up a black hole here, but I wonder (not obsessively, nor pathologically, but upon occasion) what the motivation is for the time and effort it takes to dupe me into driving to a location for a meet. Once it has become clear that there is no additional financial incentive (which I get 100% what is the point? Do they hate mongers? (I love the quote in the Bible RE: whoremongers, I often quote that passage to my monger friends) , Is it sociopathy or sociopathic traits? A DSM 5 diagnosable condition (likely because of the extent of the abberancy). It is truly fucked up. I am not complaining so much as simply noting this from an socioanthropological point of view. From a practical point of view, and the reason for my attempt at understanding, is that it is a cost associated charged against my mongering. That does make me a bit angry. I appreciate the observable metrics so as to recognize and rapidly deprecate the particular instance of pursuit in order to more efficiently fuck young hot young pussy. The main question I have is there no reason for pursuing questionable profiles in the unlikely event that you may score some hot young pussy? I suppose that is a personal decision. In any event, my goal is to fuck hot young pussy. (There, I said it 3 times. That is the gist of this post-- fuck hot young pussy. Everything else you can ignore.).[/QUOTE]Not sure the point you're trying to make here but in my experience every single girl on SA is fundamentally and undeniably broken. Every. Single. One. It's a melting pot of aberrations. It ranges from girls being dead inside and having a complete lack of empathy (think natural scammers and grifters) to being on serious psychotropic meds, to clearly having personality disorders (BPD is rampant on SA). Generously sprinkle rampant depression, anxiety, and recreational drugs and you have a good description of your average SA college girl. And the lying. Don't forget massive amounts of lying about anything and everything. Having said that, don't be an ahole to these girls (except the dead inside scammer, fuck'them and waste their time any chance you get). The poor lost college girls deserve to be treated with some care and we should leave them better than we found them. Always remember that you're dealing with a seriously flawed individual and proceed accordingly!

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4615859]Not sure the point you're trying to make here but in my experience every single girl on SA is fundamentally and undeniably broken. Every. Single. One. It's a melting pot of aberrations. It ranges from girls being dead inside and having a complete lack of empathy (think natural scammers and grifters) to being on serious psychotropic meds, to clearly having personality disorders (BPD is rampant on SA). Generously sprinkle rampant depression, anxiety, and recreational drugs and you have a good description of your average SA college girl. And the lying. Don't forget massive amounts of lying about anything and everything. Having said that, don't be an ahole to these girls (except the dead inside scammer, fuck'them and waste their time any chance you get). The poor lost college girls deserve to be treated with some care and we should leave them better than we found them. Always remember that you're dealing with a seriously flawed individual and proceed accordingly![/QUOTE]What EvilTmp said. I just signed back up after a few months lapse and he is exactly right. Some are actually in therapy, some take drugs for the mental ailments, the rest need to do both. It does make it more difficult for an old guy like me to deal with these seemingly modern mental health issues but if we want to play this game, we have to.

[QUOTE=MagicRat;4615906]What EvilTmp said. I just signed back up after a few months lapse and he is exactly right. Some are actually in therapy, some take drugs for the mental ailments, the rest need to do both. It does make it more difficult for an old guy like me to deal with these seemingly modern mental health issues but if we want to play this game, we have to.[/QUOTE]It's too bad that's been your experience. There are two factors at work. One is that people get the sugarbowl they are looking for. If you are seeking a certain type of SB, one who is really not very different than a escort (UTR), or even a streetwalker, well, I can believe that is true. There are others who operate at a very different level, and I have not ever been concerned about such issues when dealing with them (my interest in POTs). Then there is the matter of geography. Keep in mind that this Richmond thread has become the de facto national thread for sugaring, people from all over read it. It could apply to those girls you guys are targeting in the Richmond area, if that's where you are from. Again, it doesn't apply to southern CA where I am. That's not to say I haven't ever had issues w / girls that are clearly having difficulty 'adjusting to adult life' as the mental health professionals say. Heck, sometimes those who have security / abandonment issues (absent daddy) make the best SBs. They are really into the older guys as a result. As I am beyond 60, this is what I need to get into a teenager's pants. If you ever find a girl who says she was adopted, run, don't walk, to get to her. They have these issues in spades.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4609869]Anyone seen Daisy recently?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e76fbd0f-7408-4f37-90ea-323e1c3d8c7a[/URL][/QUOTE]Any updates on this one?

VCU was in the top 10 last year but has dropped down a few slots. I was lucky enough to spend 11 enjoyable months with a nice VCU SB before she graduated and moved away. Lots of nice memories and solid documentation to relive the memories.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby-university-2020/usa/[/URL]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4616221]It's too bad that's been your experience. There are two factors at work. One is that people get the sugarbowl they are looking for. If you are seeking a certain type of SB, one who is really not very different than a escort (UTR), or even a streetwalker, well, I can believe that is true. There are others who operate at a very different level, and I have not ever been concerned about such issues when dealing with them (my interest in POTs). Then there is the matter of geography. Keep in mind that this Richmond thread has become the de facto national thread for sugaring, people from all over read it. It could apply to those girls you guys are targeting in the Richmond area, if that's where you are from. Again, it doesn't apply to southern CA where I am. That's not to say I haven't ever had issues w / girls that are clearly having difficulty 'adjusting to adult life' as the mental health professionals say. Heck, sometimes those who have security / abandonment issues (absent daddy) make the best SBs. They are really into the older guys as a result. As I am beyond 60, this is what I need to get into a teenager's pants. If you ever find a girl who says she was adopted, run, don't walk, to get to her. They have these issues in spades.[/QUOTE]Not to make too much of this but I only seek college girls that are genuinely attracted to older guys and block any girl with a whiff of being a pro or utr. I think you're confusing what makes a good SB with her being well-adjusted. We are talking about the same cohort here. You go on to talk about security and absent daddy and those are your girls with daddy issues. Those are exactly the girls that are on medicinal cocktails for depression and anxiety plus therapy. Abandonment issues is a core criteria for BPD women. I'm sorry to break it to you but the girls you are seeking are the ones that are completely messed up. It has nothing to do with geography. Just because we all like them doesn't make them unbroken people.

Long ago I started asking what pills they take everyday and if you do you'll soon see they are all on something. Go in with eyes open. Don't be an ahole. Don't get attached. And try to help them in little ways as much as you can.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;4616526]VCU was in the top 10 last year but has dropped down a few slots. I was lucky enough to spend 11 enjoyable months with a nice VCU SB before she graduated and moved away. Lots of nice memories and solid documentation to relive the memories.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby-university-2020/usa/[/URL][/QUOTE]I guarantee most SB's don't realize the ratio of them to us is almost 5:1. They have the demand and we have the supply, so don't overpay!

Can't help but chime in on this one. Although I'm new to the web versions of sugaring, I've been lucky enough in the past to be with a few younger girls. You can't help but sympathize at times.

One girl I was with tended to break down into an ugly cry anytime I was a bit firm with my words, like when I would catch her in a lie. Although I found that a complete turn-off, I often found myself being more of a mentor to these girls. Needless to say, I got tired of that, but now I'm coming across a more evolved girl, one who's almost completely shut down. Sure I'd bang, but I'm still hoping to find a keeper.

Delusional right?

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4615859]Not sure the point you're trying to make here but in my experience every single girl on SA is fundamentally and undeniably broken. Every. Single. One. It's a melting pot of aberrations. It ranges from girls being dead inside and having a complete lack of empathy (think natural scammers and grifters) to being on serious psychotropic meds, to clearly having personality disorders (BPD is rampant on SA). Generously sprinkle rampant depression, anxiety, and recreational drugs and you have a good description of your average SA college girl. And the lying. Don't forget massive amounts of lying about anything and everything. Having said that, don't be an ahole to these girls (except the dead inside scammer, fuck'them and waste their time any chance you get). The poor lost college girls deserve to be treated with some care and we should leave them better than we found them. Always remember that you're dealing with a seriously flawed individual and proceed accordingly![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4616221]If you ever find a girl who says she was adopted, run, don't walk, to get to her. They have issues in spades.[/QUOTE]Oh my God, this is 500% true. To a tee, with the exception of one girl who was totally normal, just liked money and sex, and was going to community college and lived with her parents who were both still together, 100% of the best girls I've ever been with in this hobby have been adopted.

If a girl is in this game and it's not for drug money, there is a very, very high chance she's adopted, and a neat little ball of abandonment and daddy issues which somehow makes them awesome SBs when you manage them well.

The flip side of this coin is that if you're thinking of being a good samaritan and adopting, don't adopt a girl. I've personal experience (not directly, but family) and had long term relationships with adopted SBs and have seen and heard the stories of what happens and what they do to their adoptive family. They'll ruin your life and drain you broke. Just don't do it.