"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;4609152][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f27aa004-7dff-4c76-8622-bd665564b2c5[/URL]

So here's my story. I met this one for $250 who provided BBBJ with CIM. Cute-- body better in person than in pics. Face OK. Good oral skills. Good attitude. Subsequently, we texted back and forth a lot and she expressed her interest in bondage and shall we say, other things that piqued my interest. She was all set (and I had made extensive preparations) and was excited for a 7 PM meet, but she bailed on me at about 11 AM that day, saying she had some sort of family emergency. To this day, I am not sure what happened (she sent me video links from youporn showing what she wanted and seemed very exited, sent VERY explicit pics as well). Since then I have occasionally contacted her on the site and via text to make inquiries and offered her more $$ even asked her to name her price, but to no avail. Very sad. I think I have PTSD from the cancellation. But I will live. I have a good therapist. Hope this information helps my fellow mongers. Happy mongering![/QUOTE]A tip I learned long ago -- don't get too specific or explicit in digital form about what you're going to do unless you've already done it with her once. Girls love to suck off their SDs because it is so non-invasive to them and they feel like they are ultimately in the drivers seat when they're doing it (and they are). But when you start getting them to agree to things that require them to relinquish control, even if it's their deepest fantasy, you are setting up a situation where they may act out their fantasy in sexting but then never show up to make it real (because they lose their nerve).

She might have been rubbing her clit when you were telling her what you were going to do, enjoying the fantasy. But then she has no real reason to meet you, she "virtually" experienced it without all the risk. Men are horndogs and regard digital foreplay as a precursor to the real thing, and sometimes it is. But a lot of girls, especially young ones, roleplay digitally to see what it's like, but back out of the actual experience.

Girls love mystery.

A guy that exhibits a dominant personality who seems like the type to give her an over the knee spanking when they least expect it (but never says so) gets their panties wet.

A guy who tells them everything he plans to do in order to test the waters to see what he can get away with is seen as not confident and to be avoided.

[QUOTE=MineTooTell;4609112]Been chatting with this one tonight on Snap. Found her on FB and the pics are her and accurate. She sent a few body pics on snap and she's pretty hot with a nice body. She quickly agreed to meet tomorrow at her place. Wanted 500. I said 350 was my budget and she said 400 was her lowest. She refused to go any lower. After seeing her body pics I say what the hell. Why not? She did offer M&G with BJ for 300. She said she is roommates but they mind their own business. Seeing her tomorrow evening at her place. Will update Fri or Sat.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/285b89fe-dfb1-4348-94a9-df2029b9c71f[/URL][/QUOTE]How did it go?

[QUOTE=RVASpider;4611010]How did it go?[/QUOTE]Inquiring minds want to know. .

[QUOTE=RVASpider;4611010]How did it go?[/QUOTE]It didn't happen. Not sure what to make of this. Had the time / date setup. She even sent me her home address. I did a google search and was able to see it was in fact a house. 3 hours before meeting time she contacts and says, 'my period just started. ' Offers BJ and I said no thanks. Offered anal for 300. But said she wasn't really into it. I agreed to the anal and price but she then said she doesn't have a lot of time so we will be rushed. I backed off and told her I'd wait till her was off her period. I didn't want to blow 300 and she tells me it hurts too much or makes it a rush job.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4610951]A tip I learned long ago -- don't get too specific or explicit in digital form about what you're going to do unless you've already done it with her once. Girls love to suck off their SDs because it is so non-invasive to them and they feel like they are ultimately in the drivers seat when they're doing it (and they are). But when you start getting them to agree to things that require them to relinquish control, even if it's their deepest fantasy, you are setting up a situation where they may act out their fantasy in sexting but then never show up to make it real (because they lose their nerve).

She might have been rubbing her clit when you were telling her what you were going to do, enjoying the fantasy. But then she has no real reason to meet you, she "virtually" experienced it without all the risk. Men are horndogs and regard digital foreplay as a precursor to the real thing, and sometimes it is. But a lot of girls, especially young ones, roleplay digitally to see what it's like, but back out of the actual experience.

Girls love mystery.

A guy that exhibits a dominant personality who seems like the type to give her an over the knee spanking when they least expect it (but never says so) gets their panties wet.

A guy who tells them everything he plans to do in order to test the waters to see what he can get away with is seen as not confident and to be avoided.[/QUOTE]Point well taken, but this was ENTIRELY her idea. She set the parameters, wrote the script, and planned the meet. As for me, I am not into digital of any sort (almost anyway). But clearly I fucked something up and need to consider what may have happened moving forward, so as not to repeat history. I have been mongering for over 3 decades with (usually) excellent outcomes. But I am always open to opinions as to why something went wrong, though a definite conclusion will never be reached, as it is impossible to draw conclusions from the analysis of a single event. What you can definitively say is that it is likely that I fucked something up, and I like your hypothesis. Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;4612286]Point well taken, but this was ENTIRELY her idea. She set the parameters, wrote the script, and planned the meet. As for me, I am not into digital of any sort (almost anyway). But clearly I fucked something up and need to consider what may have happened moving forward, so as not to repeat history. I have been mongering for over 3 decades with (usually) excellent outcomes. But I am always open to opinions as to why something went wrong, though a definite conclusion will never be reached, as it is impossible to draw conclusions from the analysis of a single event. What you can definitively say is that it is likely that I fucked something up, and I like your hypothesis. Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Yeah, often they initiate the sexting, then get cold feet because they got themselves in too deep. Like:

Her: I want to be roughed up and choked.

Him: Ok, I think we can do that.

Her: (thinks to self, oh shit what did I just sign up for? What if his definition of rough or choking is more severe than mine? It's not safe to meet him now.).

Most hot young women are walking, talking contradiction machines. I can't tell you how many mistakes I've made along the way, and I'm always looking for ways to improve my sugaring skills. That's the big difference between sugaring and mongering I think -- skills don't really come into play in traditional mongering. An escort provides a service and she's probably not going to quote a client unless she intends to deliver. SB mentality is different, money is only part of the reason they're doing it -- experimenting with exciting new sexual experiences is often a big part of their motive. Depending on how much of her motivations are money based, the dynamic can sometimes become more similar to "free" Internet hookups rather than mongering.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/91ed7946-9736-4d24-a49a-fb8823b3c88e[/URL]

Greetings fellow mongers. This one was a bust. Complained about being short on rent (blah, blah, blah). Needed $180 urgently. Lives in Roanoke. Wanted me to drive there (2 hr 43 min-- this was this morning at 3 AM I am driving mind you), so she agreed to meet me in Appomattox (about half way). Great looking pics via text. So I told her I would give her $400 (to ensure against no-show). Texted all the way down until 38 min before arrival then nothing. Ghosted. FYI. Fucking waste of my time. Fortunately, one of my regulars was open for business at 5:30 this morning. But I love chasing NEW PUSSY. Happy mongering. I am going to bed now.

MJ.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4610933]You will probably find a monger bias on most Internet forums on the subject, but if you're a newbie and looking for newbie girls not yet ready to drop the panties, they are out there. Just try to come across as the friendly yet very "helpful and generous" type to the young ones that mention being new and / or platonic. Platonic situations are definitely not my angle but I've found and successfully cracked open more than one genuine virgin doing this; the sky is the limit on what you can find out there, given enough time investment. That's the real key, time is money. If you want it fast and cheap, be prepared to open the wallet. If you don't like opening the wallet and want cheap and quality, be prepared to donate time.[/QUOTE]Well said.

So many of these girls on SA delete their profiles, just to put them back up later or do a new profile.

They do it for different reasons, but it's frustrating when so many of the links with important info, the good, the bad & the ugly, can't be tied to a potential Babies image.

A pic will let us know who the post is about & can be saved for future reference.

Thanks!

DF.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4612692]So many of these girls on SA delete their profiles, just to put them back up later or do a new profile.

They do it for different reasons, but it's frustrating when so many of the links with important info, the good, the bad & the ugly, can't be tied to a potential Babies image.

A pic will let us know who the post is about & can be saved for future reference.

Thanks!

DF.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Easier to just post a screenshot of their profile.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4612556]Yeah, often they initiate the sexting, then get cold feet because they got themselves in too deep. Like:

Her: I want to be roughed up and choked.

Him: Ok, I think we can do that.

Her: (thinks to self, oh shit what did I just sign up for? What if his definition of rough or choking is more severe than mine? It's not safe to meet him now.).

Most hot young women are walking, talking contradiction machines. I can't tell you how many mistakes I've made along the way, and I'm always looking for ways to improve my sugaring skills. That's the big difference between sugaring and mongering I think -- skills don't really come into play in traditional mongering. An escort provides a service and she's probably not going to quote a client unless she intends to deliver. SB mentality is different, money is only part of the reason they're doing it -- experimenting with exciting new sexual experiences is often a big part of their motive. Depending on how much of her motivations are money based, the dynamic can sometimes become more similar to "free" Internet hookups rather than mongering.[/QUOTE]Another thing we need to consider is that these girls are literally living their lives in cyberspace, so they have a PhD in texting. There are definite does & don'ts when texting.

The best explanation of how to gain the upper hand when texting is from listening to the Barstool Sports, Call Her Daddy podcasts.

Sophia is the queen of texting to win.

I unfortunately found it after losing my unicorn of a SB, 2 2/2 years of total bliss. She had a live in BF, then the last eight months was her fiancé. They moved closer to me & she & I were excited to continue our arrangement. She asked me to chill a while until she felt safe sneaking out again. Saw her once after the move but was inpatient to see her again on the reg. She got spooked that I was going to mess up her life & she ended us.

If I had only sent a text at a time & waited for a response, minutes, hours, or even days, she would have felt comfortable and we might still be an item. I sent too many texts & looked too needy. She had begged me to be patient that she "didn't want to lose us!

The other nice thing about the podcast is it's a look inside two gorgeous 20 somethings minds to see how their wired sexually!

Good hunting Guys!

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4612708]Agreed. Easier to just post a screenshot of their profile.[/QUOTE]Yes, but definitely post the link always too!

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4612710]Another thing we need to consider is that these girls are literally living their lives in cyberspace, so they have a PhD in texting. There are definite does & don'ts when texting.

The best explanation of how to gain the upper hand when texting is from listening to the Barstool Sports, Call Her Daddy podcasts.

Sophia is the queen of texting to win.

I unfortunately found it after losing my unicorn of a SB, 2 2/2 years of total bliss. She had a live in BF, then the last eight months was her fianc. They moved closer to me & she & I were excited to continue our arrangement. She asked me to chill a while until she felt safe sneaking out again. Saw her once after the move but was inpatient to see her again on the reg. She got spooked that I was going to mess up her life & she ended us.

If I had only sent a text at a time & waited for a response, minutes, hours, or even days, she would have felt comfortable and we might still be an item. I sent too many texts & looked too needy. She had begged me to be patient that she "didn't want to lose us!

The other nice thing about the podcast is it's a look inside two gorgeous 20 somethings minds to see how their wired sexually!

Good hunting Guys![/QUOTE]I have listened to that a couple of times -- I found it while trying to find a podcast focused around the sugaring lifestyle, which it is not. Although it's great for getting a 20-something female perspective on sex related topics.

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;4612585][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/91ed7946-9736-4d24-a49a-fb8823b3c88e[/URL]

Greetings fellow mongers. This one was a bust. Complained about being short on rent (blah, blah, blah). Needed $180 urgently. Lives in Roanoke. Wanted me to drive there (2 hr 43 min-- this was this morning at 3 AM I am driving mind you), so she agreed to meet me in Appomattox (about half way). Great looking pics via text. So I told her I would give her $400 (to ensure against no-show). Texted all the way down until 38 min before arrival then nothing. Ghosted. FYI. Fucking waste of my time. Fortunately, one of my regulars was open for business at 5:30 this morning. But I love chasing NEW PUSSY. Happy mongering. I am going to bed now.

MJ.[/QUOTE]I was chatting with her last Tuesday and she told me she lived in Norfolk. I never did try to meet her because of the distance. I'm glad I didn't try now after the experience you had. Wonder where she really lives.

[QUOTE=Mike1991;4613193]I was chatting with her last Tuesday and she told me she lived in Norfolk. I never did try to meet her because of the distance. I'm glad I didn't try now after the experience you had. Wonder where she really lives.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Love the monger board. Attached screenshot of SA profile per someones recommendation because of deleted profiles.