"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1891224]Tigg,

You continually amaze me with your exploits! What do you do for a living and how do you find time to make the money you are lavishing on these babies? Can I come work for you?

Also, what does your SO think you are doing when you are netting these sweet little fish? Either you are an eccentric millionaire, in which case I'd still like to come work for you, or you are one of those people who never sleep.

PM me and I'll send you my resume, LOL.

I could use a change right about now,

Scott[/QUOTE]I have flextime at work, so that helps a bunch. Also this week has been aided by the govt shutdown. Lately I have lots if luck meeting women starving for attention and a hard dick. The sugar has been low and I do not have a system. But I try to work on 2 to 3 at a time to keep from having extended dry spells.

What I have learned is to screw them as much as possible when you can because situations can change quickly. Even now, I was on my way to a key with MsLilMama and suddenly her GF is around a lot more and making it hard to see her.

I only take resumes of single ladies under 25 with nice bodies, LOL.

BT

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1891245]Funny you should reference this show. It was the series that introduced my wife, I am certain, to the concepts of the undercover life, the burner phone, and the idea that I might be doing something untowards in my spare time. Fuck Walter White!

It gets way more intense as it goes along, but that whole issue of the burner phone kept coming up. If it's possible to stop watching it now, I'd recommend it. If not, be extra vigitant, in the immortal words of Dogberry from Much Ado About Nothing, which is a Shakespeare play about pussy, I kid you not.[/QUOTE]Yeah, after episode 2 I was beginning to wonder if it was a good idea for all sorts of reasons. Knowing about the burner phone is another reason to let it die on the vine. I have other excuses to use, since I was reading about the some of the other ugliness (murder, spouse rape) that I'm pretty sure she'd be happy to skip, as would I.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1891256]What I have learned is to screw them as much as possible when you can because situations can change quickly.[/QUOTE]I couldn't have agree more. This was one of my biggest take away from the bowl. Bang them hard and bang them good. Because it might the last time. More later.

I've been spending more time on AM than SA lately. I know many of you dislike AM for the cost, and the impossible male to female ratio. I'm certain that more than a few profiles are fake on AM. I've seen profiles of beautiful women that log on EVERY DAY for years now. The key indicator is that there is no feedback for them. Generally, the good ones leave or at least get feedback. Just another clue to help you save your credits! Back to the subject of this post though.

I had a rare evening free in DC, and I had scheduled a M&G over a few drinks with a POT from AM. Her pics were stunning, corporate attorney, and we had good chemistry during chats. In my excitement to meet her, I disregarded one of my usual checks. Voice / txt verification. As you can guess, she never showed. An "emergency" occurred and she couldn't get in touch with me even though she had my GV number. Fortunately, an out-of-town SB (20 year old AA hollywood style girl) that I've been chatting with for a few months was in town visiting relatives. I quickly txt'd her and she agreed to meet (our first face to face meeting). We had a great night over a few drinks. The bonus is she doesn't want any sugar just nice dinners, and travel. The downside is she's a few hours away by plane, and in a town I don't travel to for work (well yet anyway!).

The moral of the story is don't cut corners on your verification process, and always have a plan B.

EDIT: Shortly after posting this the SB in the story started to sext me. I do love today's youth and modern communications!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1890365]Alias,

My best play was to say that the link to SA had apparently come in on some sort of spam, and that I had not, in fact, sought it out. There was clear skepticism, but enough plausibility that I slept in my own bed that night. The real issue is moving forward, and I'm sad and afraid that for the next few weeks, or months, I will need to impersonate an altar boy. I vacillate between chucking the whole married thing or keeping on living the under-cover life. I know I am addicted to the adrenaline rush of fear mixed with lust, so just don't know where to land. Yoga tomorrow, just to clear my head. Hopefully Jenn will be teaching.

Keep up the good work, my brothers. I am always here to be a sounding board if nothing else, and am happy to share any insights I may have.

Sheesh,

Scott[/QUOTE]Scott,

I always have pop-up sites invading my screen during web browsing, and sometimes they are nowhere close to the subject of the search. I think the fact that the warden just saw the SA log in screen is huge. That could have come from anywhere. But if you are like me and have messed up before with other tidbits of evidence, I could see where you might have a problem.

But I really can't see you giving up the sugar bowl for very long. The addiction is strong, you are so good at it, and the rewards are so plentiful. I am trying to get away tonight to see my current ATF, and will do about anything to squeeze out a few hours for my own version of fantasy ball. Sex with the SO has lost a lot of its appeal and I just can't say no to the temptations.

Alias

Sad day in my bowl world.

My adventure with the 18YR ATF is done!

We scheduled for a FC date on Tuesday, then Monday I was txting her to make sure things are still good for the FC date. After an afternoon of silence, she finally responded saying she couldn't see me any longer. She apologize and thanks me for all that I've done for her. The reason is she found a man that 'cares about her and want to make a life with her'. It's funny, because on Saturday we're still sexting and talking about naughty things we going to do and then on Monday she found a new man. Amazing how quickly life changes with these young girls.

Anyway, I wish her well and kindly reminded her that if things didn't work out with her new BF, she knows where to find me. Well, it was a very brief affair but it was damn great when it lasted. This was the reason I kept saying fuck them good and fuck them hard like it's the last time. LOL.

Well, time to move on. Working on a few POTs, mostly HYMs. Anticipating to have some POF next week in the FC.

Sidenote: As I am sitting here typing this, I am recovering from a testes infection (not fun). I am not sure if this is a result of my participation in the bowl world, but brothers be careful out there and keep the hat on.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1891751]Sad day in my bowl world.

My adventure with the 18YR ATF is done![/QUOTE]Sorry to hear Smokey, we've all been there before and it's painful to lose a good performer. At least you haven't gotten Emotionally involved yet.

The Babies are almost always looking for a better deal. I was thrilled when my ATF deleted her account on SA recently although I don't know if she has other SDs already booked as well. I try not to think about it. After all, most of us are seeing multiples ourselves although I am seeing only her. Teens are much more flighty. I have found that over 25 or so they begin to settle down a little and can be more reliable if you treat her right. This is where not cutting the allowance too much might keep these Babies on the string. Some other SD probably offered her more $$

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1891811]Sorry to hear Smokey, we've all been there before and it's painful to lose a good performer. At least you haven't gotten Emotionally involved yet.

The Babies are almost always looking for a better deal. I was thrilled when my ATF deleted her account on SA recently although I don't know if she has other SDs already booked as well. I try not to think about it. After all, most of us are seeing multiples ourselves although I am seeing only her. Teens are much more flighty. I have found that over 25 or so they begin to settle down a little and can be more reliable if you treat her right. This is where not cutting the allowance too much might keep these Babies on the string. Some other SD probably offered her more $$[/QUOTE]And remember the girls can have as many free accounts as they want and many have more than one.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1891811]Sorry to hear Smokey, we've all been there before and it's painful to lose a good performer. At least you haven't gotten Emotionally involved yet.

The Babies are almost always looking for a better deal. I was thrilled when my ATF deleted her account on SA recently although I don't know if she has other SDs already booked as well. I try not to think about it. After all, most of us are seeing multiples ourselves although I am seeing only her. Teens are much more flighty. I have found that over 25 or so they begin to settle down a little and can be more reliable if you treat her right. This is where not cutting the allowance too much might keep these Babies on the string. Some other SD probably offered her more $$[/QUOTE]This was a girl I catch from CL, so she's on the sugar sites (at least not to my knowledge). I checked both SD4M and SA and haven't seen any profiles related to her so I don't it it was a case of me being outbid.

After all, she was still a sweet girl and apologize and thanks me truthfully (the way I sense it). And she haven't attempt to work me to hand over the prepaid VISA card I bought for her.

I think I just catch her at the right time, when she was going through a bad relationship with her ex bf. She was probably just bored and lonely and said what the heck, let's reply to this CL ad for fun.

She just found a new bf, which is something I can't offer.

I always never let my emotions got tied up in the sugar world, pretty dangerous stuff.

So I met with the married 25 year old AA spinner (8. 5/9/7/2) who wanted to test drive. She was late again, both times I had to wait 40 minutes. We picked up some food and headed to the room. Kinda like a few of the other non-passionate types, no foreplay. No kissing. It was just "ok I'm finished eating, take your clothes off". She was not into oral. Either giving or receiving. So I kinda knew what to expect, was just hoping it would be different. It wasn't She has this awesome body, a-cups with a cute butt. Very slender. But sex with her was a one-sided affair. Nothing I liked or desired was considered and I tried to sneak in oral and she about had a cow. She complained about sweat, so I had to use the pillows to keep sweat from dripping on her.

So since I've had a few orgasms lately, I had some good endurance built up. So I (excuse my french)"banged the shit out of her" for a good 40 minutes. Multiple positions, multiple paces, I had to keep moving her hand because she was covering her mouth and I wanted to hear the sounds. Whenever a position was causing her voice to go higher. I banged harder. It was like a angry fuck with an old girlfriend. Like you want to show her what she's missing. By the time it was over I was sweating like crazy and she was curled up with lots of min-orgasm aftershocks. I did not even have an orgams (condom dulls the sensation) and of course she didn't notice or care, lol.

She's 25 and she was wore out and very pleased. She mentioned how when I dropped her off, she was going to to to sleep (2pm in the afternoon). She then text me the same after she got in the house. She really didn't require any funds, but being the softy that I am, I gave her .40 anyway. My normal is $, but it was so mechanical that it lost a lot of luster. She wants to meet again, but I'll not be doing it as MsHipsnThighs will be taking care of me for a while to come. She's not the best body-wise, but she makes up for it in attitude and skills.

Thanks to another shutdown day, I'm overloading tomorrow. MsHipsNthighs from 8-10:30 at her place, lunch with MsArtist from 11:30-1:30, hotel date with MsThickness from 2-4 and dinner date with new POT from 6-8 (great body, good attitude, nice face. Sent over some nice pics, has her own place. Lots of potential).

BigTigg

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1891751]Sad day in my bowl world.

My adventure with the 18YR ATF is done!

We scheduled for a FC date on Tuesday, then Monday I was txting her to make sure things are still good for the FC date. After an afternoon of silence, she finally responded saying she couldn't see me any longer. She apologize and thanks me for all that I've done for her. The reason is she found a man that 'cares about her and want to make a life with her'. It's funny, because on Saturday we're still sexting and talking about naughty things we going to do and then on Monday she found a new man. Amazing how quickly life changes with these young girls.

Anyway, I wish her well and kindly reminded her that if things didn't work out with her new BF, she knows where to find me. Well, it was a very brief affair but it was damn great when it lasted. This was the reason I kept saying fuck them good and fuck them hard like it's the last time. LOL.

Well, time to move on. Working on a few POTs, mostly HYMs. Anticipating to have some POF next week in the FC.

Sidenote: As I am sitting here typing this, I am recovering from a testes infection (not fun). I am not sure if this is a result of my participation in the bowl world, but brothers be careful out there and keep the hat on.[/QUOTE]True true brother. This is a finicky business. In fact if we got all the pussy we were asking for we would wear out. Just to show you how true. I wrote last week about a pleasant surprise form two nice MILFs divorced and very promising. One was really hot and the other was good looking and wealthy did not require any sugar and lived in a nudist colony and could host.

A few short days later both gone with the wind. The hot one got into some kind of texting self destruct spiral with me the day before we were to meet. I still don't know exactly what happened. It is kind of comical. She could have been drunk or just plain crazy I do not know. The texts were too disjointed and scattered to even understand after awhile and I eventually gave up. Next day when we were to meet. I texted her to check if she could still make it. Silence, crickets. Nothing since then. Who knows?

The second one was all gung ho and ready to go. Very much a free spirit. And very experimental. Or so she appeared. Next day texted her and silence. Never heard from her again. What the fuck. These women were ready to meet and good to go. Anything could have happened. I believe this one was just dipping her toe in the water and got the cold feet. But like I have said before. Trying to figure out what is going on in the head of a woman is the path to lunacy. And trying to figure out what is going on in the head of one of these babies is straight off the cliff. I will try them again. But I am not going to put much effort in it.

They come they go.

Oh well I fucked two of my favorites this week already and will fuck my no sugar brazillian bartender baby tomorrow. Life is good. What the fuck was I doing even messing with these crazy other women?

By the way did anyone fuck that cutie up in West Virginia that has been needing a daddy for rent money? She looked like about a 8/7? I am dying to see how that went.

Revvo

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1892062]So I met with the married 25 year old AA spinner (8. 5/9/7/2) who wanted to test drive. She was late again, both times I had to wait 40 minutes. We picked up some food and headed to the room. Kinda like a few of the other non-passionate types, no foreplay. No kissing. It was just "ok I'm finished eating, take your clothes off". She was not into oral. Either giving or receiving. So I kinda knew what to expect, was just hoping it would be different. It wasn't She has this awesome body, a-cups with a cute butt. Very slender. But sex with her was a one-sided affair. Nothing I liked or desired was considered and I tried to sneak in oral and she about had a cow. She complained about sweat, so I had to use the pillows to keep sweat from dripping on her.

So since I've had a few orgasms lately, I had some good endurance built up. So I (excuse my french)"banged the shit out of her" for a good 40 minutes. Multiple positions, multiple paces, I had to keep moving her hand because she was covering her mouth and I wanted to hear the sounds. Whenever a position was causing her voice to go higher. I banged harder. It was like a angry fuck with an old girlfriend. Like you want to show her what she's missing. By the time it was over I was sweating like crazy and she was curled up with lots of min-orgasm aftershocks. I did not even have an orgams (condom dulls the sensation) and of course she didn't notice or care, LOL.

She's 25 and she was wore out and very pleased. She mentioned how when I dropped her off, she was going to to to sleep (2pm in the afternoon). She then text me the same after she got in the house. She really didn't require any funds, but being the softy that I am, I gave her. 40 anyway. My normal is $, but it was so mechanical that it lost a lot of luster. She wants to meet again, but I'll not be doing it as MsHipsnThighs will be taking care of me for a while to come. She's not the best body-wise, but she makes up for it in attitude and skills.

Thanks to another shutdown day, I'm overloading tomorrow. MsHipsNthighs from 8-10:30 at her place, lunch with MsArtist from 11:30-1:30, hotel date with MsThickness from 2-4 and dinner date with new POT from 6-8 (great body, good attitude, nice face. Sent over some nice pics, has her own place. Lots of potential).

BigTigg[/QUOTE]I hate that brother Tigg. You know what? Either show up to fuck and suck or don't get on the fucking field. Great job pounding her real good. Awesome to give her that good grudge fuck and to make her squeal. Thing is they like that. The real lesson is when she calls you wanting to meet. And then you say real nice and polite "sweetheart I would love to meet you and get together but, I really like oral, and I really like to have fun and be adventurous, and you are just not into that. So I am moving on to someone else. But if you want to try some things?" Then see what she says. She may come around once she sees that she is not in the drivers seat.

I had a similar experience. Maybe the most beautiful baby I ever fucked. Was Russian and a real working model. She actually got paid for some of her work. She was a good solid 10/9/6/5. You looked at her she was like an angel. And she had the most beautiful pussy I have ever seen in my life. You could put a picture of that pussy on a public billboard and no one would complain it was so exquisite. Then you talked to her and things started going down hill. Very negative and not up for anything. I was only paying her 200 and could have fucked her anytime I wanted. But she would not kiss, she was terrible in bed. Not very orgasmic. Would not even go for a second nutt. Let alone a third. She really confirmed the Russian stereotype of being cold. God knows what happened to her in her childhood. I thought maybe I can be patient and train her. But Hollywood was right on this. Why waste my money and time, and sanity. Trying to fix this poor girl. I honestly felt sorry for her. You looked at her beautiful face and you could see sadness even when she smiled. Have you ever seen a person that when the laughed the corners of their mouth were turned down? She did. I dropped her after three visits.

What a waste of the first class pussy. Somebody really ruined that girl.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1892087]I hate that brother Tigg. You know what? Either show up to fuck and suck or don't get on the fucking field. Great job pounding her real good. Awesome to give her that good grudge fuck and to make her squeal. Thing is they like that. The real lesson is when she calls you wanting to meet. And then you say real nice and polite "sweetheart I would love to meet you and get together but, I really like oral, and I really like to have fun and be adventurous, and you are just not into that. So I am moving on to someone else. But if you want to try some things?" Then see what she says. She may come around once she sees that she is not in the drivers seat.

I had a similar experience. Maybe the most beautiful baby I ever fucked. Was Russian and a real working model. She actually got paid for some of her work. She was a good solid 10/9/6/5. You looked at her she was like an angel. And she had the most beautiful pussy I have ever seen in my life. You could put a picture of that pussy on a public billboard and no one would complain it was so exquisite. Then you talked to her and things started going down hill. Very negative and not up for anything. I was only paying her 200 and could have fucked her anytime I wanted. But she would not kiss, she was terrible in bed. Not very orgasmic. Would not even go for a second nutt. Let alone a third. She really confirmed the Russian stereotype of being cold. God knows what happened to her in her childhood. I thought maybe I can be patient and train her. But Hollywood was right on this. Why waste my money and time, and sanity. Trying to fix this poor girl. I honestly felt sorry for her. You looked at her beautiful face and you could see sadness even when she smiled. Have you ever seen a person that when the laughed the corners of their mouth were turned down? She did. I dropped her after three visits.

What a waste of the first class pussy. Somebody really ruined that girl.

Revvo[/QUOTE]WOW. Unbelivable, you fucked for 40 minutes last night. And you going to hook up with 4 different women the next day, you must have plenty of money. And viagra. The way I fuck, I have to take 2-3 breaks to fuck for 40 solid minutes, or I'd be dead, but then I try to hurt it!

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1892087]I hate that brother Tigg. You know what? Either show up to fuck and suck or don't get on the fucking field. Great job pounding her real good. Awesome to give her that good grudge fuck and to make her squeal. Thing is they like that. The real lesson is when she calls you wanting to meet. And then you say real nice and polite "sweetheart I would love to meet you and get together but, I really like oral, and I really like to have fun and be adventurous, and you are just not into that. So I am moving on to someone else. But if you want to try some things?" Then see what she says. She may come around once she sees that she is not in the drivers seat.

I had a similar experience. Maybe the most beautiful baby I ever fucked. Was Russian and a real working model. She actually got paid for some of her work. She was a good solid 10/9/6/5. You looked at her she was like an angel. And she had the most beautiful pussy I have ever seen in my life. You could put a picture of that pussy on a public billboard and no one would complain it was so exquisite. Then you talked to her and things started going down hill. Very negative and not up for anything. I was only paying her 200 and could have fucked her anytime I wanted. But she would not kiss, she was terrible in bed. Not very orgasmic. Would not even go for a second nutt. Let alone a third. She really confirmed the Russian stereotype of being cold. God knows what happened to her in her childhood. I thought maybe I can be patient and train her. But Hollywood was right on this. Why waste my money and time, and sanity. Trying to fix this poor girl. I honestly felt sorry for her. You looked at her beautiful face and you could see sadness even when she smiled. Have you ever seen a person that when the laughed the corners of their mouth were turned down? She did. I dropped her after three visits.

What a waste of the first class pussy. Somebody really ruined that girl.

Revvo[/QUOTE]Can"t live with 'em, can't live with out 'em. In general that is. But on an individual basis. They are only as good as their last roll in the hay. My sugar gf just got pissed because I told her she was high maintenance. I am supposed to be the high maintenance one in the relationship, Not her. (I even had that in my SD profile at one time, I should put it back in). Having superior bedroom skills, aside from their looks is the main reason we pay these girls. IDK why they dont always get that? They think their looks are everything, well duh, get a clue. We're not in high school anymore.

My MILF and my roommate totally get it. Their mission in life is to make sure I cum as hard as humanly possible. And gee, one has been around for 2 years and the other for almost a year.

I always die laughing when some girl talks about are you looking for arm candy in her profile. They should coin a new phrase for what we are really looking for, dick candy.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1892087]Either show up to fuck and suck or don't get on the fucking field.[/QUOTE]I love this line. I need to remember that.

Well the POT I was supposed to meet tomorrow for dinner is off. I asked her to wear a nice fitting skirt or dress for the date. It's our first date. She says she will, but expects an amazing gift. I was like "gift". This is new to me, POT expecting a gift on the first date. I told her I'd pay for the meal and gas. I told her that I wasn't expecting to go to the hotel on the first date. Now if we decide to extend the date, then my gift will change accordingly. She replied, I didn't expect to go to the hotel on the first date "LOL". So she wants to send me a list of gifts that she like so I can have something to pick from for the first date. I said, send away, but reminded her that I know how to take care of women and she doesn't need to tell me to bring an amazing gift.

So I get the email and there are 3 items on it all purses. #1 $475 #2 $675 #3 $1780. Let me get this straight, she wants an "amazing" gift off this list. JUST FOR SHOWING UP!

So I sent her an email stating some facts about what it takes to get these kinds of gifts and recommended we cancel our date.

Wow. For the first date. Really?

Plus she wanted $1300 a month and cannot host. Really?

We'll see what her response is. She's very new and obviously has her head in the clouds when it comes to what she should expect. Especially since she's probably a 7. 8 in the face and 8 body.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1892319]I love this line. I need to remember that.

Well the POT I was supposed to meet tomorrow for dinner is off. I asked her to wear a nice fitting skirt or dress for the date. It's our first date. She says she will, but expects an amazing gift. I was like "gift". This is new to me, POT expecting a gift on the first date. I told her I'd pay for the meal and gas. I told her that I wasn't expecting to go to the hotel on the first date. Now if we decide to extend the date, then my gift will change accordingly. She replied, I didn't expect to go to the hotel on the first date "LOL". So she wants to send me a list of gifts that she like so I can have something to pick from for the first date. I said, send away, but reminded her that I know how to take care of women and she doesn't need to tell me to bring an amazing gift.

So I get the email and there are 3 items on it all purses. #1 $475 #2 $675 #3 $1780. Let me get this straight, she wants an "amazing" gift off this list. JUST FOR SHOWING UP!

So I sent her an email stating some facts about what it takes to get these kinds of gifts and recommended we cancel our date.

Wow. For the first date. Really?

Plus she wanted $1300 a month and cannot host. Really?

We'll see what her response is. She's very new and obviously has her head in the clouds when it comes to what she should expect. Especially since she's probably a 7. 8 in the face and 8 body.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]Is there any reason to even reply to her next txt? I only state this for the new guys. I don't negotiate.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1891751]Sad day in my bowl world.

My adventure with the 18YR ATF is done!

We scheduled for a FC date on Tuesday, then Monday I was txting her to make sure things are still good for the FC date. After an afternoon of silence, she finally responded saying she couldn't see me any longer. She apologize and thanks me for all that I've done for her. The reason is she found a man that 'cares about her and want to make a life with her'. It's funny, because on Saturday we're still sexting and talking about naughty things we going to do and then on Monday she found a new man. Amazing how quickly life changes with these young girls.

Anyway, I wish her well and kindly reminded her that if things didn't work out with her new BF, she knows where to find me. Well, it was a very brief affair but it was damn great when it lasted. This was the reason I kept saying fuck them good and fuck them hard like it's the last time. LOL.

Well, time to move on. Working on a few POTs, mostly HYMs. Anticipating to have some POF next week in the FC.

Sidenote: As I am sitting here typing this, I am recovering from a testes infection (not fun). I am not sure if this is a result of my participation in the bowl world, but brothers be careful out there and keep the hat on.[/QUOTE]Hi Smokarz,

I can commiserate. Just after a very busy time with escorts earlier this year I started to have a very painful ache in my balls and the head of my dick. (I'm not sure if the two events are related) My Urologist diagnosed me with prostatitis and put me on pain meds and cipro for 6 weeks. 6 weeks! I started with the regiment and the pain was still there. After doing some reading, I started drinking distilled water. The pain subsided the next day and I quit taking the pain meds all together. I finished the antibiotic regiment and have had no issues since. The rational is that it is hard for drugs to reach the tissue of the prostate and testes as much of it has been filtered out of your system by then. Drinking distilled water with no nutrients in it, helps the body absorb the antibiotic as it's not competing with anything else. Sounded far fetched, but I was desperate. Worked for me.

Take care,

HL

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1892087]I hate that brother Tigg. You know what? Either show up to fuck and suck or don't get on the fucking field. Great job pounding her real good. Awesome to give her that good grudge fuck and to make her squeal. Thing is they like that. The real lesson is when she calls you wanting to meet. And then you say real nice and polite "sweetheart I would love to meet you and get together but, I really like oral, and I really like to have fun and be adventurous, and you are just not into that. So I am moving on to someone else. But if you want to try some things?" Then see what she says. She may come around once she sees that she is not in the drivers seat.

I had a similar experience. Maybe the most beautiful baby I ever fucked. Was Russian and a real working model. She actually got paid for some of her work. She was a good solid 10/9/6/5. You looked at her she was like an angel. And she had the most beautiful pussy I have ever seen in my life. You could put a picture of that pussy on a public billboard and no one would complain it was so exquisite. Then you talked to her and things started going down hill. Very negative and not up for anything. I was only paying her 200 and could have fucked her anytime I wanted. But she would not kiss, she was terrible in bed. Not very orgasmic. Would not even go for a second nutt. Let alone a third. She really confirmed the Russian stereotype of being cold. God knows what happened to her in her childhood. I thought maybe I can be patient and train her. But Hollywood was right on this. Why waste my money and time, and sanity. Trying to fix this poor girl. I honestly felt sorry for her. You looked at her beautiful face and you could see sadness even when she smiled. Have you ever seen a person that when the laughed the corners of their mouth were turned down? She did. I dropped her after three visits.

What a waste of the first class pussy. Somebody really ruined that girl.

Revvo[/QUOTE]After reading this I broke up with my "little princess". I have been less than thrilled with her bedroom performances. This led to a very frank discussion about what is expected from her, but also what I will need to do to get her there physically. Nothing to do with sugar, in fact I cut that in half. But everything to do with guiding a young and very inexperienced girl in what it takes to please her man. The bottom line is, that there is a bottom line in these relationships. Thanks Revvo for the push.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1892319]I love this line. I need to remember that.

Well the POT I was supposed to meet tomorrow for dinner is off. I asked her to wear a nice fitting skirt or dress for the date. It's our first date. She says she will, but expects an amazing gift. I was like "gift". This is new to me, POT expecting a gift on the first date. I told her I'd pay for the meal and gas. I told her that I wasn't expecting to go to the hotel on the first date. Now if we decide to extend the date, then my gift will change accordingly. She replied, I didn't expect to go to the hotel on the first date "LOL". So she wants to send me a list of gifts that she like so I can have something to pick from for the first date. I said, send away, but reminded her that I know how to take care of women and she doesn't need to tell me to bring an amazing gift.

So I get the email and there are 3 items on it all purses. #1 $475 #2 $675 #3 $1780. Let me get this straight, she wants an "amazing" gift off this list. JUST FOR SHOWING UP!

So I sent her an email stating some facts about what it takes to get these kinds of gifts and recommended we cancel our date.

Wow. For the first date. Really?

Plus she wanted $1300 a month and cannot host. Really?

We'll see what her response is. She's very new and obviously has her head in the clouds when it comes to what she should expect. Especially since she's probably a 7. 8 in the face and 8 body.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]This is the girl's first trip to town or possibly passive aggressive behavior. I think we deal with this by clicking on without saying a word. Engaging her leads to drama and drama leads to high blood pressure.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1893182]This is the girl's first trip to town or possibly passive aggressive behavior. I think we deal with this by clicking on without saying a word. Engaging her leads to drama and drama leads to high blood pressure.[/QUOTE]So true. She never replied and I moved on. Right now, I have two who take care of me very good and the sugar is reasonable. Both are young and eager to please and keep me happy. Both have had less than 5 sex partners and I am loving life.

BT

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1893156]After reading this I broke up with my "little princess". I have been less than thrilled with her bedroom performances. This led to a very frank discussion about what is expected from her, but also what I will need to do to get her there physically. Nothing to do with sugar, in fact I cut that in half. But everything to do with guiding a young and very inexperienced girl in what it takes to please her man. The bottom line is, that there is a bottom line in these relationships. Thanks Revvo for the push.[/QUOTE]Brother you gave me the push first. LOL. Funny thing I never really missed my little Russian Popscicle first because she was as cold as ice, but also because I was pursuing a quality experience. And that pusuit was leading me into a different direction. And once I let go of looks as the primary driver the experiences have gotten so much better.

Don't get me wrong I still pursue beautiful women. I just don't make it the primary factor. And now I really consider myself lucky. I can say the past few weeks with my little trio. Has been the absolute most amazing sex of my life. And getting better. Before it was not as fun as it is now.

Good luck HW.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Happy Lover; 1892957]Hi Smokarz,

I can commiserate. Just after a very busy time with escorts earlier this year I started to have a very painful ache in my balls and the head of my dick. (I'm not sure if the two events are related) My Urologist diagnosed me with prostatitis and put me on pain meds and cipro for 6 weeks. 6 weeks! I started with the regiment and the pain was still there. After doing some reading, I started drinking distilled water. The pain subsided the next day and I quit taking the pain meds all together. I finished the antibiotic regiment and have had no issues since. The rational is that it is hard for drugs to reach the tissue of the prostate and testes as much of it has been filtered out of your system by then. Drinking distilled water with no nutrients in it, helps the body absorb the antibiotic as it's not competing with anything else. Sounded far fetched, but I was desperate. Worked for me.

Take care,

HL[/QUOTE]Thanks HL.

That's what I am taking now, Cipro. Damn. 6 weeks? The thought of not having pussies for 6 weeks is damn depressing. But I'll take up your advice and drink plenty of H2O.

Smoke

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1893510]Thanks HL.

That's what I am taking now, Cipro. Damn. 6 weeks? The thought of not having pussies for 6 weeks is damn depressing. But I'll take up your advice and drink plenty of H2O.

Smoke[/QUOTE]Hi Smoke,

Not just h20, but distilled h20. I bought some gallon jugs from the local supermarket. And nobody said anything about no pussy for six weeks. I had pain, but no performance issues. Pain gone, game on. The only way I'm foregoing sex for 6 weeks is if I'm hospitalized. Not even then, maybe coma. LOL.

HL

[QUOTE=Happy Lover; 1892957]Hi Smokarz,

I can commiserate. Just after a very busy time with escorts earlier this year I started to have a very painful ache in my balls and the head of my dick. (I'm not sure if the two events are related) My Urologist diagnosed me with prostatitis and put me on pain meds and cipro for 6 weeks. 6 weeks! I started with the regiment and the pain was still there. After doing some reading, I started drinking distilled water. The pain subsided the next day and I quit taking the pain meds all together. I finished the antibiotic regiment and have had no issues since. The rational is that it is hard for drugs to reach the tissue of the prostate and testes as much of it has been filtered out of your system by then. Drinking distilled water with no nutrients in it, helps the body absorb the antibiotic as it's not competing with anything else. Sounded far fetched, but I was desperate. Worked for me.

Take care,

HL[/QUOTE]I just want to let you both know I been thru this too. About a year ago, I woke up one morning to go to work and felt a ache on my left testicle. It was bad enough that I had to skip work and go see my doctor. Felt like someone kicked me in the nuts. Go in the doctors office and thought. I might have caught something. I always use the cover. Then he had me get an X-ray. He gave me some med, antibiotics. Asked me have I been doing some strenuous physical activities and my sex life style. Told him the taht that I been having more sex than normal recently and that I started running. Told me that the running and increase sexual activity is the cause since I had my boys bouncing around in my boxer. Told me to go slow on the running and still continue with the sex. Just no rough stuff like have my balls sucked on. Also get plenty of water. I was actually bettter after two days, but finish the meds anyway. He ha me get an ultra sound just in case. No issue. Fast forward to current day, I run about 5-7 miles, drink plenty of fluid, and slim & fit. Result is a lean, mean, sex machine that can keep up with the young ladies.

Hope you get better and back in action soon. Six weeks is rough! I feel bad for the SB that is going to take that load. LOL!

J. Draven

JD,

Thanks for also sharing your experience on this health issue.

LOL, yeah one of these HYMs will get it good once I am better and ready for the FC.

My Italian preggo HYM, who just had a c-sect about a week ago wanted to see me. Said the doc told her to have nothing in the puss for 5 weeks but she told me she could 'do other things', like up the ass. I told her to healed up and we'll go at it in both holes. Besides, I am in no mood to be fucking right about now. I look forward to seeing her again.

Smoke,

So this report will be a little shorter. Only one real POT to mention. Plus I am going to only report on babies with activity. So I am enjoying my new regimen of relaxing into my three favorites and exploring my adventures with them only. I had two POTs last week that contacted me. And they both turned out to be flakes crazy or probably a little of both. Believe me there was little sadness when they evaporated and eliminated themselves from my very busy attention. Once again my membership on SDforme has expired and I only have the limited ability to look or to respond to full members. I have not even been on since last week. But hey it was the weekend so I took a peek. And low and behold there was a cute little MILF to check out.

REVVO_POT3: So she is 37 YO White divorced little southern MILF. She is 5'2" firm body, really nice rack, blond, very talkative and seems quite sincere. I will call her an amateur but she has met men on there a couple of times. She tells me she is looking for a single SD and is really not about the money. I like what I hear already. She seems to really know what she wants and is educated, but she is down on her luck and went through a serious illness lost her job and is trying to get back on her feet. I am giving her a 8/9/8? For now. She is really into working out and health, nice muscle tone about 120 lbs I would say. I am not putting a lot of eggs in this basket. But I am an eternal optimist. So we shall see. She is a good communicator and she is very passionate and affectionate. These are things that I like and pre-qualify for. She is ready to meet. So I am stealing a couple of hours tomorrow to do a M&G. She lives in another city that I travel to for business often. And I would like to have a regular "shot of ass" in this city waiting for me when I go there. So she is coming to me. So I will give her gas money tomorrow. She has not brought up money or wanting money or any other crass bullshit that some of these GPS babies try. We shall see after tomorrow.

REVVO_SB2: I met with my little Brazilian baby and she very was good to go this Friday. We met and had brunch first. She is a bartender so works late some nights. Got her fed. But no sugar and no gifts. Other than me LOL. She is so pleasant and fun and funny. Full of life. Like I have said before she is very sexy and very cute. But not a perfect head. I give her a 7/9/10/10. When we went to the restaurant she was wearing this little short skirt and a very small top. Believe me she is showing off the goods. It is interesting to see all of the people men and women alike watching her when she comes bouncing in. I am always amazed. Damn she looked good. It was not the classic beauty. It was the exotic looks, the sex appeal, the totally unaffected attitude. Wow that is some powerful stuff. We get back to her cute little gated apartment. And things just keep getting better. We fuck and suck and fuck and suck. Three hours and three nutts later and I am drained. She came so hard and it was absolutely beautiful. We will be seeing each other again soon.

REVVO_SB6: So I saw my little girl next door twice last week. At my insistence since we are both busy and we usually only meet once a week. But she is having some money problems. And I want to help her. I mean she is having serious problems. And she still does not ask me for money. And I have offered to help. This my friends is a quality woman. We met and talked and had a great little fuck dogie style. She is very very tight and she gets hurt easily. But she is a very enthusiastic little lover though. In fact I just let her do the thrusting and she works my cock with her perfect little ass and I don't have to do anything but slap that ass until it is red. I can feel her pussy grabbing onto my cock as she works it. She comes hard and often. On our second date I did her missionary style and she came really hard. I love love love orgasmic women. When we got done my balls were soaking wet. And I had put a pillow under her little ass to prop it up. Needless to say the pillow was quite wet also. We talked a lot. Pillow talk with her is great. We are getting quite close. I must say I really like this chick and of the three great fucks she comes in third in fuck skills. She is just less experienced and more shy. But she is learning. But as a quality woman with good attitude she is first. I call her a woman she is only 24YO White. 5'2" she is currtently at 9/8/9/7 for now. We are scheduled for Thursday of next week.

REVVO_SB7: I met with my little Venezuelan on Thursday and really had a great time. We went out to a little place close by that is not known by many people and rented a jetski. We had a blast. Then retired to her apartment for some good luvin. It was awesome as ever. She fucks so good. In fact she is the best fuck I have ever had. Every time feels like it is our first. Cumming repeatedly and cumming hard. It is impressive. She just purrs to me afterward. Ohh baby you make me cum so hard. She is literally shaking forever after we are done. It is amazing. I love seeing her Cum and I cum harder longer with her than any of the others. We are scheduled for Tuesday of next week. My week is filling up quick. LOL

So that is my report for now. I will say it again. I am so damn lucky. I feel it and I appreciate it. The gratitude is so important. And I let my babies know it. And they appreciate my feedback. Lets hear from some of the other brothers out there. How about all of these new brothers and lurkers. Come on out of the shadows and join us. This is fucking awesome. I can also tell you that journaling your exploits helps sharpen your game and better understand and focus your efforts. Try it.

Lets be careful out there.

REVVO

I had three M&G's this week, with results that ran the gamut.

POT1 for the week was 29, white, and just getting out of a divorce. I sent her my intro letter that mentions $ per visit and she seemed eager to meet. From our email / text conversations I learned (and believed) that she was on her initial foray into the sugar world. We had originally planned on Sunday afternoon, but when I texted that morning, silence. I wrote her off as a flake, and decided to move on. On Monday I got an message from her with effuse apologies and asking to reschedule for that night. I quickly agreed and set a time for drinks and appetizers at my usual spot. Upon arrival it was clear that her pictures were from a while back. She was very nice, a little nervous, but we had a good conversation. She told me that she had recently lost 50 pounds and was still working out. She looked okay in clothes, but still a little heavier than I care for. She seemed nervous but willing to move to the next step if I wanted. I have decided to be more discriminating in my hunt, so end the end I gave her a polite hug goodnight and decided to move on.

POT2 was the one I mentioned in my last report as potential 10/10. I eagerly followed up with her and we set lunch for Wednesday afternoon. She is also white and 29, 5 feet tall and maybe 100 lbs. I met her at a restaurant near her place and we sat and chatted for about over an hour, with good connection and lots of encouraging signs. Near the end of lunch we talked briefly about the details of the arrangement, which I had already put forth as $ per meet in the intro letter. She seemed fine with that and very much a newbie. As we left I was ready to suggest a second meeting and delicately bring up a trip to the FC when she invited me over to watch a movie at her place. Of course! We got back to her small apartment and put Netflix on. I suffered through a horror flic (not my genre) in the hope of moving it on. As the movie progressed we gradually cuddled closer on the couch. When it was over, a make out session ensued that eventually moved to her bedroom. Later, we went out for wine and tapa's and sat for two hours. When I drove her home, I invited myself in for another session. All in all I spent 8-9 hours with her and gave her the agreed upon $. (I spent another $ on wine and food but consider that money well spent. A perfect day. We agreed to meet again on Saturday, but she canceled. She has continued to text, and asked to reschedule for Monday. My take on this whole experience is that she is new to the bowl, but not brand-new! I suspect another SD is in the picture, from the cancellation and a few slips she made during our conversation (she is a chatterbox!). I am going to ignore that suspicion and be happy with it while it lasts.

POT3 was the dream SB. A 19 year old white girl, full time student, a job, transportation, and her own apartment. She is 5' and definitely 100 pounds max. 10/9/9. She is brand new on SA and when I asked if she had had a SD before, she said she was completely new to this and didn't know what to expect. I set the M&G for as soon as she was available. When we met she was cheery, articulate, and so impossibly young and sexy. When she walked up I sensed some disappointment / reservation as reality set in (me 52 and a few extra pounds). We had a great dinner and chatted about a lot of topics. I gently questioned her about things she likes and pointed out chances for us to do some of them (that she can't afford on her own) together. After I paid the check ad began to walk her to her car, I asked if she thought she might be interested in an arrangement. She said this was all new and she wasn't sure how she felt about it. I was understanding and suggested maybe we should just meet again for dinner soon to allow her to get more comfortable. She continued to obviously try to let me down easily, so I gave her a hug and asked her to think about it and keep in touch. I think that there is almost zero chance that I will see her again, but tomorrow I will text her with thanks for meeting and later in the week I will suggest another dinner. Even though I probably will have to chalk this one up as a loss, just the fact that I was in the game is exhilarating!

One more POT scheduled for Monday night. She is 32, another one brand new to the bowl, and says she doesn't really need the money, but is tired of dating guys that can't even pay there own way. She seems embarrassed by being on the site, so I will take it slow with her. I will report as things develop (or don't).

All in all, one quality baby in the fold out of three opportunities seems like a pretty good week.

What is the difference between 100 used condoms and 100 used tires. One is a Goodyear and one is a GreatYear! Revvo, I think that was a great week. Thanks for sharing.

BT

I read the forum and there are two sites being reference. I am ready to plunge into the SD / SB world. But I want to start with a site that has ample SB in the Michigan area. Especially, near the Ann Arbor. Is there one site better than the other for this location? I plan on doing a trial first. I plan on using pre-purchase credit card. Will that work? Just want to be low key as possible. Thanks.


Thanks.

J Draven

[QUOTE=John Draven; 1894255]I read the forum and there are two sites being reference. I am ready to plunge into the SD / SB world. But I want to start with a site that has ample SB in the Michigan area. Especially, near the Ann Arbor. Is there one site better than the other for this location? I plan on doing a trial first. I plan on using pre-purchase credit card. Will that work? Just want to be low key as possible. Thanks.

Thanks.

J Draven[/QUOTE]There are a number of sites. Sign up with free accounts and search your area before paying.

Seeking arrangement.

Sugardaddyforme.

Sugardaddie.

Arrangement Finders.

Ashley Madison

Whats your price

So the SO had already talked herself out of Breaking Bad, and I didn't argue. We stumbled upon How I Met Your Mother, which left me unimpressed after the 2nd episode. Maybe it gets better. But right now I'm really annoyed with the sideshow that is his roommate and roommate's fiancé, where she continually lures him into sex to the detriment of his law school duties. Oh, yeah, you mean there are women out there with actual sex drives? Maybe it only happens in sitcom-land.

Since the SO can't seem get in the mood unless she's already stress-free, the bedroom hasn't seen much action for awhile. There have been half-hearted promises, which never see follow-through, and it's easier just to let them slide. The last time I showed some initiative (following the wisdom of staying in routine) , it only reminded me of what a train wreck our sex life is. Everything has to be just so."Don't touch the boobs! No, that tickles! Etc etc" No wonder I've had such low self-esteem in the bedroom, nothing I do is ever good enough. That particular session never got any momentum due to a kid interruption, which was fine with me.

When on the rare occasion it actually clicks and goes well, it only serves to stoke my desire and set me up for the disappointment that is the male / female libido mismatch. I. E, two days later I'm ready to have fun again and the SO has had her monthly fill and isn't in the mood anymore. There have been many times where I've convinced myself that I'd be much happier if I could somehow make my libido disappear. How much simpler life would be to get out of that negative feedback loop.

So lately I've decided that the only way to win is to not play. On the all-too-frequent days that daily stress translates into bitchiness, sex is off the menu. One particularly unpleasant day she asked me if I was in the mood, and I answered "not really". She then asked if I'd be willing "in the near future" I gave a non-committal "perhaps".

I know that overtly sustaining that sort of hard-line stance is not where I want to go, for lots of reasons. But damn does it feel good. To finally be the one who can take-it-or-leave-it. No more dying of thirst at a faucet that only drips. No more being at the mercy of whims of someone else's non-libido. How much angst this has cost me over the years, and for once it's nice to at least feel in control of my own needs.

Well the day is finally here where I get to meet Lug nuts. 9/7/10 & a preseason rank of a 10 on her skills based on her texts. She said she will wear a dress for easy access when I scoop her up at the airpot so I am looking forward to meeting her. She has the prettiest eyes, a nice rack & lips that were made for sucking.

[QUOTE=Walruscl; 1894869]So the SO had already talked herself out of Breaking Bad, and I didn't argue. We stumbled upon How I Met Your Mother, which left me unimpressed after the 2nd episode. Maybe it gets better. But right now I'm really annoyed with the sideshow that is his roommate and roommate's fiancé, where she continually lures him into sex to the detriment of his law school duties. Oh, yeah, you mean there are women out there with actual sex drives? Maybe it only happens in sitcom-land.

Since the SO can't seem get in the mood unless she's already stress-free, the bedroom hasn't seen much action for awhile. There have been half-hearted promises, which never see follow-through, and it's easier just to let them slide. The last time I showed some initiative (following the wisdom of staying in routine) , it only reminded me of what a train wreck our sex life is. Everything has to be just so."Don't touch the boobs! No, that tickles! Etc etc" No wonder I've had such low self-esteem in the bedroom, nothing I do is ever good enough. That particular session never got any momentum due to a kid interruption, which was fine with me.

When on the rare occasion it actually clicks and goes well, it only serves to stoke my desire and set me up for the disappointment that is the male / female libido mismatch. I. E, two days later I'm ready to have fun again and the SO has had her monthly fill and isn't in the mood anymore. There have been many times where I've convinced myself that I'd be much happier if I could somehow make my libido disappear. How much simpler life would be to get out of that negative feedback loop.

So lately I've decided that the only way to win is to not play. On the all-too-frequent days that daily stress translates into bitchiness, sex is off the menu. One particularly unpleasant day she asked me if I was in the mood, and I answered "not really". She then asked if I'd be willing "in the near future" I gave a non-committal "perhaps".

I know that overtly sustaining that sort of hard-line stance is not where I want to go, for lots of reasons. But damn does it feel good. To finally be the one who can take-it-or-leave-it. No more dying of thirst at a faucet that only drips. No more being at the mercy of whims of someone else's non-libido. How much angst this has cost me over the years, and for once it's nice to at least feel in control of my own needs.[/QUOTE]Dude I have been there. One of the reasons that I am doing this hobby myself. But you got to hang in there. Please don't get into a battle over who can go without sex longer. She will win. So I would suggest giving it to her when there is slightest indication of her interest. And women can be real subtle about their interest. Then when you fuck her that is when you fuck her real good and hard. Remember women that suspect their husband is cheating on them will many times become more sexual with the husband as a way of trying to keep them. Besides if you all of a sudden are turning down sex is that out of character and suspicious?

Women want sex also. They just need certain things for this to happen. Most importantly tension. Not just sexual tension but positive tension in the relationship. And it is your job to give her the tension. And I am talking the good kind of tension. Like teasing, joking, being spontaneous, slap her on the ass when she does not expect it, and it is not an expectation of leading to sex. Kiss her when she walks by. Touch her more. Change your at home routine (notice I did not say change your routine when out of the house or when you come and go, but you can change that routine also if you are open and transparent about it). Exercise. Be fun and playful. Don't just watch TV, in fact go a few days without TV. And don't put up with her shit if she is just giving you shit. That does not mean getting into an argument with her. It means Telling her calmly and outright that you will not have to take this. And walk away, I have even just left the house for several hours. She will actually most likely want to be with you more when you do this.

Now the only problem with creating the good tension above is that it is a change in your routine. So this may arouse suspicion to your extra curricular activities. So you have to decide if you can do it or not. Good luck. Doing nothing and being angry is just putting you further and further into suffering.

Also a word about your lock-down situation and getting caught. One of the things I do is intentionally let my wife catch me when she suspected I may be up to something. For instance. I will clean everything off of my IPAD or Laptop, and then leave it intentionally open and leave the room for an extended period of time. This gives her an opportunity to snoop and find nothing. This is one of the best ways to her to calm down. Much better than your denial. Another way is when I am talking on the phone she will many times snoop and ask who I am talking with so I will intentionally set up a call with someone I know and when she walks up and asks me who I am on the phone with. I will just hand her the phone. She will then be stuck talking with my mother or one of my friends and will get the assurance she is really looking for.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;1894896]Well the day is finally here where I get to meet Lug nuts. 9/7/10 & a preseason rank of a 10 on her skills based on her texts. She said she will wear a dress for easy access when I scoop her up at the airpot so I am looking forward to meeting her. She has the prettiest eyes, a nice rack & lips that were made for sucking.[/QUOTE]Great pic. I'm looking forward to hearing what happens!

BT

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1894914]. One of the things I do is intentionally let my wife catch me when she suspected I may be up to something. For instance. I will clean everything off of my IPAD or Laptop, and then leave it intentionally open and leave the room for an extended period of time. This gives her an opportunity to snoop and find nothing. This is one of the best ways to her to calm down. Much better than your denial.

Revvo[/QUOTE]I've done this and she never looks. Lately I've been more free with her using my phone. Only because I have a burner.

BT

[QUOTE=Walruscl; 1894869]Since the SO can't seem get in the mood unless she's already stress-free, the bedroom hasn't seen much action for awhile. There have been half-hearted promises, which never see follow-through, and it's easier just to let them slide. The last time I showed some initiative (following the wisdom of staying in routine) , it only reminded me of what a train wreck our sex life is. Everything has to be just so."Don't touch the boobs! No, that tickles! Etc etc" No wonder I've had such low self-esteem in the bedroom, nothing I do is ever good enough. That particular session never got any momentum due to a kid interruption, which was fine with me.

I[/QUOTE]Sadly, marriages devolve into this dance too often. It makes one wonder if it is worth getting married at all. What are we thinking?

Women do what they have to do to secure their future including act like a sexual freak until they have what they want. The answer to a good relationship is communication and most of us guys are not good communicators the way our ladies need us to be. Foreplay in their world is not a hard dick as it is in ous. If my dick is up, I am ready to rock and roll with any available vagina. Women, on the other hand, have to feel needed, wanted, adored, and appreciated. And this starts with taking out the trash in the AM, sending her flowers during the day, calling her from work, etc. It's a lot of fucking work. It's OK for the first 2 years, but after 20 yrs it is difficult and not as thrilling. Hence Sugar Babies.

If you want your marriage to work, and actually prosper, you should get marriage and sex therapy. She needs to hear and understand where you are coming from. (Mars of course) And you need to understand her mind set. A good therapist will call you both out on your shortcomings and help you change things a bit. A good marriage without SBs is cheaper and can be good. If it is not good then move on.

I'm trying all of this and I am missing the Sugar Dance and am not yet in the OK stage. I'm not saying it will work, but it might.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1894946]Women, on the other hand, have to feel needed, wanted, adored, and appreciated. And this starts with taking out the trash in the AM, sending her flowers during the day, calling her from work, etc. It's a lot of fucking work. It's OK for the first 2 years, but after 20 yrs it is difficult and not as thrilling. Hence Sugar Babies.[/QUOTE]Yeah, well that's the irony-short of my extracurriculars, I am as much of a "model husband" as anyone is likely to find. I've been complimented on that both from my SO and from friends and neighbors. I do more than my share of house chores. I cover a lot of the child care, and backfill the all-too-often times she can't hold her end of the bargain. Any time I find myself having to drop something off in her office I always bring flowers with me. Always. Birthdays and Christmases are almost always marked with romantic gifts.

One thing that is backsliding (and this started way before my SB) is the amount of emotional support I can sustain, but in many ways that's in resignation to the fact that I haven't been getting much of that back either.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1894946]If you want your marriage to work, and actually prosper, you should get marriage and sex therapy. She needs to hear and understand where you are coming from. (Mars of course) And you need to understand her mind set. A good therapist will call you both out on your shortcomings and help you change things a bit. A good marriage without SBs is cheaper and can be good. If it is not good then move on.[/QUOTE]Like pretty much everyone else here, I don't want my family to fall apart. And despite my bitterness my SO is not my enemy. We are in choppy seas for lots of reasons, some situational, some of them self-inflicted or natural outgrowths of personal limitations.

Having seen some therapy situations I agree you need a good one. She's been through several and it hasn't helped much for her core issues. So I hear ya that it's probably the better path, but for better or worse I'm not sure how I get my mindset in the right place for that.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1894914]Please don't get into a battle over who can go without sex longer. She will win. So I would suggest giving it to her when there is slightest indication of her interest. And women can be real subtle about their interest. Then when you fuck her that is when you fuck her real good and hard. Remember women that suspect their husband is cheating on them will many times become more sexual with the husband as a way of trying to keep them. Besides if you all of a sudden are turning down sex is that out of character and suspicious?[/QUOTE]Ha, I have lost that battle countless times before. I've usually viewed it as an attempt to provide a wake-up call to demonstrate how one-sided things are. After awhile it just gets tiring being the horn-dog all the time. Admittedly it's mostly served to sexually frustrate me and only garner a passing observation from the SO that "it has been awhile hasn't it".

We have had heart-to-heart discussions in the past where I have literally told her that it seems like I'd be happier if I could just make my libido go away. Responses ranged from resentment (go figure) , to short-lived attempts at putting some effort into the bedroom. Which always dies on the vine after a few weeks at most.

Turning down sex is not unprecedented, this is hardly different than most bottom-of-the-downswing times. The only difference is that I can cope with it better, and the trick is not letting that show I suppose. Right now there is so much else going on in our family that I can easily attribute it to burn-out, which frankly a lot of it is. Clearly it's not a good idea to let it continue for too long, and I don't intend to do that.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1894914]Doing nothing and being angry is just putting you further and further into suffering.[/QUOTE]Agreed, although the goal of the SB was to be able to cope with the libido mismatch at home and avoid the anger and suffering. To a large extent that's working. An unanticipated side-effect was finding just how sexual some women really are. After years of living with the implicit worldview that it's my job to accommodate her tiny libido, I'm seeing that just maybe the problem isn't just my Y chromosome. But I'm pretty sure I can move to an "is what it is" mindset and not let that bother me.

This is the essence of the problem which is the outward display of an inward and infinitely more complicated problem. All couples go through ebbs and flows depending on what is going on in their lives, and I think most of us are understanding to a point. But chronic differences where a SO will not attempt to satisfy her man will ALWAYS result in a split. This works both ways but women usually have a different set of issues they are unhappy about. Men are frequently about sex.

I continue to see my ATF, who is a Sex Goddess. It is indeed wonderful to have a girl who thinks and talks about sex all the time. If I lived with her I would probably be the one who couldn't perform as regularly as she would like.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1895062]This is the essence of the problem which is the outward display of an inward and infinitely more complicated problem. All couples go through ebbs and flows depending on what is going on in their lives, and I think most of us are understanding to a point. But chronic differences where a SO will not attempt to satisfy her man will ALWAYS result in a split. This works both ways but women usually have a different set of issues they are unhappy about. Men are frequently about sex.

I continue to see my ATF, who is a Sex Goddess. It is indeed wonderful to have a girl who thinks and talks about sex all the time. If I lived with her I would probably be the one who couldn't perform as regularly as she would like.[/QUOTE]My wife was crazed for sex when we were dating and in the first years of our marriage. There were times when I couldn't keep up, and I was in my 20's! She would have been an ideal SB if there had been such a creature way back then. After our first child, things started to wane, and after our second, it was pretty much done, at least compared to before.

I stayed faithful until I found the bowl, with the exception of a few AMP visits now and again, (but only for a handy.)

But once I discovered the Bowl, and how much these young things enjoy sex, it struck me what a difference there was between time with my babies and time at home. Granted, times are different now, and female sexuality is not at all the same as 30 years ago, and as many have said issues with one's spouse are far more complicated than mere sex, but I do wonder if I would have strayed at all if things were on a more regular basis, intimacy-wise and sex-wise.

I guess I'll be finding out!

Scott