Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=BKeeper;5259435]This could been much worse.

Apparently the suspect was planning on going to Florida to shoot up more spas.

Also, Mayor Bottoms said those spas are, "legally operating businesses" 😒.

So, either those places will be business as usual (albeit a little cautious), or NO fun is to be had for a while.[/QUOTE]Actually, the cops said he was driving to visit "porn industry" companies in Florida. If he had a sex addiction he probably didn't frequent Fla massage parlors. But he probably watched a lot of Bang Bus videos. There are several sex video producers in Miami.

[QUOTE=HorndogManX;5259035]All.

WSB said he chose them to fight 'temptation' and he was 'going to Florida' to attack more. So he very likely visited them before. Pretty much means no hate crime, just the sheer number in and. Macon he by-passed.

The mayor of Seattle, where I spend most of my time, called it a hate crime. She's an idiot. Feel free to ignore her.[/QUOTE]WSB did not say Long chose them to eliminate the temptation. The Cherokee County Sheriff said this, without quoting Long. So is this an admission by the authorities that they know what goes on in these spas?

Regardless, my thoughts and prayers go out to all that were killed and their families.

River.

[QUOTE=RiverRat99;5259598]WSB did not say Long chose them to eliminate the temptation. The Cherokee County Sheriff said this, without quoting Long. So is this an admission by the authorities that they know what goes on in these spas?

Regardless, my thoughts and prayers go out to all that were killed and their families.

River.[/QUOTE]So Mayor bottoms says they are legit upstanding businesses, and the Sheriff of Cherokee is insinuating he was tempted by something (certainly not a legitimate massage) Someone is going to end up with their foot in their mouth on this one if they are going in different directions about what these spa's provide so far as services go.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5259267]A2, while I understand why you did what you did I don't think that was what Marty was trying to say. I think he was trying to call our attention to the fact that way too many of us do marginalize these ladies, take them for granted, and see them not as real human beings but just lumps of unfeeling flesh who exist only at our whim and pleasure. I think that he was trying to point out the hypocrisy of our attitudes to them. Maybe he could have made his point in a less sarcastic, cynical way but I don't think for a second that he was trivializing this tragedy. This is horrible on so many levels and I think Marty understands that. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]I hear you but I don't care, if your wife died, assuming you had one, and like many guys on this forum you loved her but sex was an issue and at the funeral I walked up to you and said "hey man, aren't you happy you got rid of that old fat tub of lard that wouldn't fuck you anymore?" (No disrespect intended to your wife if you have one just using a relationship to make an example).

I don't care what his intent was, calling them jizz dumpsters and that in one week they will be replaced the day after a lunatic kills them is a one way trip off this forum.

A2.

Between the shooting and the stimulus, it seems like an excellent time to take an extended break from this hobby. Let providers calm down, let prices return to normal. And wait for LEO attention to cool down.

[QUOTE=OopaRam;5259151]Yes, as more updates come out, out of 8 dead 6 were women so 2 men. Among the injured that were identified one was a latino guy. Hope for safety of our fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of these victims. According to reports, the Latino guy confronted him and the perp shot him dead. Eight people needlessly killed by this nutcase, he will at some point be having a close personal relationship with either the electric chair or lethal injection.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;5259321]So apparently he's claiming that it was "sexual addiction" which made him do it. He was trying to "remove the temptation".

He may not have thought his plan through since "young, fresh boy" and "supermax prison" probably aren't the best combo when it comes to escaping unfulfilling sexual activityear old.[/QUOTE]I personally hope he receives lots of special attention by lots of people whenever he winds up in prison.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5259681]My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of these victims. According to reports, the Latino guy confronted him and the perp shot him dead. Eight people needlessly killed by this nutcase, he will at some point be having a close personal relationship with either the electric chair or lethal injection.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the sentiments but it was a white male at Young's who was killed, not the Latino male who so far has survived his wounds.

[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5259467]If you walk in with a trench coat and looking all shifty you might get looked over, but that won't l last long. The desire for money will quickly over ride anyone's long term concern. Incidents at clubs consistently and they are usually opened next night. What will be interesting is to see how they down play or flat out do not report on what he says goes on there.[/QUOTE]I thought ADMIN banned you?

These ladies come here trying to make a better life for them and their family. Often here for years before going back home and many not able to ever return here. They come here to avoid working all year in a factory to make $300 a month. This is terrible what happened. Please be kind to these ladies and give them a hug instead of being mean. It's better for everyone involved. What a bizarre tragedy this is.

I live Albany, Ga. Three hrs drive southwest of Atlanta. We have a couple of massage spots here in town, I noticed 12 parks right outside the parking lots. Crazy LOL.

One of Korea's big dailies, Chosun Ilbo, has a witness at the spa saying the killer shouted "I am going to kill all the Asians" but law enforcement says this isn't "racially motivated. ".

The police chose to omit this.

https://www.chosun.com/international/us/2021/03/17/XSDXYLMAQZCC5JWMQ4HGRZGOG4/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

From the article:

“ The Korea-Japan News Atlanta quoted A, an employee of the massage station "Gold Massage Spa" where the shooting occurred, saying that the suspect "would kill all Asians" at the time of the shooting. Mr. A was in the store at the time of the shooting, but reportedly avoided it and then told the nearby Office of Korea.

“ According to the media, police visited a nearby Office of Korea and advised business owners to close, saying it was likely a hate crime targeting Asians.”

[QUOTE=FrostyMan;5259866]One of Korea's big dailies, Chosun Ilbo, has a witness at the spa saying the killer shouted "I am going to kill all the Asians" but law enforcement says this isn't "racially motivated. ".

The police chose to omit this.

https://www.chosun.com/international/us/2021/03/17/XSDXYLMAQZCC5JWMQ4HGRZGOG4/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

From the article:

The Korea-Japan News Atlanta quoted A, an employee of the massage station "Gold Massage Spa" where the shooting occurred, saying that the suspect "would kill all Asians" at the time of the shooting. Mr. A was in the store at the time of the shooting, but reportedly avoided it and then told the nearby Office of Korea.

According to the media, police visited a nearby Office of Korea and advised business owners to close, saying it was likely a hate crime targeting Asians.[/QUOTE][I]During a news conference the day after the killings,*Capt. Jay Baker of the Cherokee Sheriffs Office told reporters that suspected shooter Robert Aaron Long, 21,*told investigators he has sexual addiction issues and targeted the spas to take out that temptation.

Yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did, Baker said during the joint news conference with the Atlanta Police Department.[/I]

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/03/17/atlanta-shooting-suspect-had-a-really-bad-day-before-massacre-cops/[/URL]

SMDH, if this perp killed 8 people on a bad day, I hate to imagine what he would have done on a really bad day.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5259681]My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of these victims. According to reports, the Latino guy confronted him and the perp shot him dead. Eight people needlessly killed by this nutcase, he will at some point be having a close personal relationship with either the electric chair or lethal injection.[/QUOTE]Georgia only has lethal injection now.

I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but I think the lady that has been identified as "Xiaojie" may be someone that perhaps many on this board might know as Emily. She did tell me she lived in Kennesaw and this lady, Xiaojie, did as well. A truly sweet and wonderful woman whose cell phone number I had and she sometimes sent me random texts, including one for Merry Christmas a few years back. Heart is broken if Emily is a victim here; I will light a candle for her and all the other providers that lost their lives yesterday. A truly sad day and horrid chapter for all of us mongers on the board.

Rest in Peace.

Sounds like he cared a helluva lot more for the perp, rather than the victims. Captain Jay has his own issues to deal with, per previous posts made on unsocial media. WTF is up with these goons?

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5259910][I]During a news conference the day after the killings,*Capt. Jay Baker of the Cherokee Sheriffs Office told reporters that suspected shooter Robert Aaron Long, 21,*told investigators he has sexual addiction issues and targeted the spas to take out that temptation.

Yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did, Baker said during the joint news conference with the Atlanta Police Department.[/I]

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/03/17/atlanta-shooting-suspect-had-a-really-bad-day-before-massacre-cops/[/URL]

SMDH, if this perp killed 8 people on a bad day, I hate to imagine what he would have done on a really bad day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5259913]Georgia only has lethal injection now.[/QUOTE]As I thought about this tragedy more today, I was thinking it was a shame that this dirtbag didn't resist being apprehended down in South GA thereby giving the good ol' boy deputies in Crisp County the opportunity to air him out. Then I remembered he'll get a good 15-20 years on death row before getting executed hopefully expanding on his so called "sexual addiction treatment with the help of some cell mates named Larry and LaDante and their horse cocks.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5258932][BLUE]You may talk about them as jizz receptacles, probably because you have problems with your mommy but I've always looked at commercial sex workers in the same way I do people who cut my hair, or give me a regular massage, they provide a service that I like so I compensate them. This forum has never been about s1ut-shaming and it never will be and that's why I booted you. All of these people had families that loved them and will mourn them, some of them were mothers doing their best to take care of their kids.

You are beneath contempt and have no place on this forum.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]Well stated and well taken. I believe that a job is a job, I know factually that these ladies that work the spa circuit have nothing but solid work ethic. Driven by the sheer desire to succeed and take care of their own. I don't pass judgement on anyone who has a job and works hard. Don't care if you clean portable toilets or manage a billion dollar corporation. This fellow that inflicted pain and death on so many deserves nothing short of sheer torture. If he is raped and choked on a big dick daily isn't enough! Death is way to easy of an out at this point. I wish him nothing but pain, relentless anguish, nightmares and slow painful death. Not cruel, this is the pain that the family and friends of these wonderful people will feel till the end of their own life. I feel for these people and the communities they live in, to know that someone can so easily take another life and get off as easy as being put to death or prison for life is the most fucked up part of our society. Be thankful for what you have, it can be gone in a flash!

To all of our Southern Friends, many thoughts with you! It could have been your day that ended so tragically!

[QUOTE=HungDong69;5259970]I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but I think the lady that has been identified as "Xiaojie" may be someone that perhaps many on this board might know as Emily. She did tell me she lived in Kennesaw and this lady, Xiaojie, did as well. A truly sweet and wonderful woman whose cell phone number I had and she sometimes sent me random texts, including one for Merry Christmas a few years back. Heart is broken if Emily is a victim here; I will light a candle for her and all the other providers that lost their lives yesterday. A truly sad day and horrid chapter for all of us mongers on the board.

Rest in Peace.[/QUOTE]According to a former Young's employee I keep in contact with, one of the women was definitely Emily unfortunately.

So the mayor of Atlanta is referring to the establishments as legitimate businesses and then I hear on the radio the police are having trouble with interviewing the people due to them being sex workers. This should open up a can of worms.

[QUOTE=PixMon;5259066]By "hate crime", my opinion is that this is more of him seeing these girls as easy targets. The fact that he went to three places was premediated as well, so he could have been a disgruntled patron. But my alternative theory is that he was financially motivated and saw these girls as an atm since these places are primarily a cash-only business.[/QUOTE]Claiming 'sex addiction' could be considered a mental illness whereas racism isn't when it comes to facing a jury. Is this SOB smart enough to have planned that out ahead? Or is crazy just crazy?

[QUOTE=HungDong69;5259970]I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but I think the lady that has been identified as "Xiaojie" may be someone that perhaps many on this board might know as Emily. She did tell me she lived in Kennesaw and this lady, Xiaojie, did as well. A truly sweet and wonderful woman whose cell phone number I had and she sometimes sent me random texts, including one for Merry Christmas a few years back. Heart is broken if Emily is a victim here; I will light a candle for her and all the other providers that lost their lives yesterday. A truly sad day and horrid chapter for all of us mongers on the board.

Rest in Peace.[/QUOTE]This craziness needs to stop. Anyone with a right mind won't do this. RIP for all victims.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5259643]I hear you but I don't care, if your wife died, assuming you had one, and like many guys on this forum you loved her but sex was an issue and at the funeral I walked up to you and said "hey man, aren't you happy you got rid of that old fat tub of lard that wouldn't fuck you anymore?" (No disrespect intended to your wife if you have one just using a relationship to make an example).

I don't care what his intent was, calling them jizz dumpsters and that in one week they will be replaced the day after a lunatic kills them is a one way trip off this forum.

A2.[/QUOTE]He didn't call them jizz dumpsters specifically. He was calling out all of those mongers out there who only see these women as jizz dumpsters easily replaced. No offense taken. I understand the emotion behind what you are saying. Like you and many others on this thread I have thought of little else today and the pain the families and the friends must be going through right now. Sometimes there are just no words to adequately describe such an obscene awfulness as this.

[QUOTE=RoscoRules;5260335]So the mayor of Atlanta is referring to the establishments as legitimate businesses and then I hear on the radio the police are having trouble with interviewing the people due to them being sex workers. This should open up a can of worms.[/QUOTE]The last thing the girls at Gold and Aromatherapy will want to do is talk to a cop about their "job" duties.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5259092]You didn't read about Young's? He killed a white guy on-prem and a Hispanic dude who was coming out of a business next door. Parlors don't have couches with female employees sitting on them in a waiting area. I'm sure the perp just shot at whomever was close by.[/QUOTE]The Hispanic man has thus far survived the shooting, the deceased white male was a friend of the employees.

[QUOTE=TravelinHandy;5259838]These ladies come here trying to make a better life for them and their family. Often here for years before going back home and many not able to ever return here. They come here to avoid working all year in a factory to make $300 a month. This is terrible what happened. Please be kind to these ladies and give them a hug instead of being mean. It's better for everyone involved. What a bizarre tragedy this is.[/QUOTE]Well said.

Regarding the shooting everyone is so sparked about. The rampage would of been stopped by someone who knew how to defend themselves with a firearm or let alone had one. Criminals who are this sickening choose easy targets. Hence why mass shootings always happen in "gun free zones" etc. You get little to no resistance in places like these. A reason I never go to massage parlors is because if something were to go down. A sting or whatever. I'd be in the environment and caught up in whatever mess if it were to happen. Gold spa and the subsequent spas in the area were on my list to try for once. Never did a massage parlor. I know there is a nearby parking lot so my plan was to park up there then just walk. Don't want to park in front of a spa. My same stance towards Latin spas as Latinos when heated do crazy ish.

There are dumbasses out there that believe more laws infringing on 2 A rights would prevent shootings. Over 2 millions lives in the USA alone are saved by the defensive use of firearms. Infringing on 2 A rights just inhibits law abiding citizens with common sense from attaining tools to defending themselves. Gun registry etc would inhibit criminals from attaining firearms illegally Blablabla some people say or a total ban. We have so many examples. Brazil is a prominent one where a ban on firearms caused crime to sky rocket. A criminal does whatever by any means necessary to do whatever. Some people really don't think or live in reality. Pisses me tf off what's going on in the house and senate. The legislation that is even being considered is ridiculous and dumbassess voted for the clown party any way.

Everyone today is so desperate to attain a firearm as they see their safety at the end of the day is in their own hands. Had friends who were anti 2 A but later on realized how important it is and why we have it in the first place. It isn't the duty of lawn enforcement to ensure your well being. They are limited in resources etc. Time is of the essence when something is going down. Mass shootings can have devastating results in a mere seconds. Most people never think if shit were to go down WTF would I do. Nor do they stay aware in the environment they are in. Everyone takes everything going well for granted.

I wonder if providers are going to have some sort of stigma towards Caucasians because of the shooting. As we see the same in ads about NO AA. As AA not going to lie do dumbass shit which jack it up for the rest. The events that transpired kinda coincides with my point of doing research. There are shady ass mofos out there. We've all heard of people getting robbed going to "meet a provider." Just stay safe.

After hearing about yesterday's horrific events I just don't know what to think. All three of those spas are ones I was a regular at for a long time. I knew each girl by name and many used to call and text me during their free time. These were real people with real thought and real needs. To take away their life based on any ideal or hate is just simply wrong. I'm just heartbroken. These girls and all the people shot deserved better. This was an act of hatred, racism and worst of all terrorism in my opinion. I really hope and pray for all of the victims and especially their families.

[QUOTE=SweetIronRod;5260741]After hearing about yesterday's horrific events I just don't know what to think. All three of those spas are ones I was a regular at for a long time. I knew each girl by name and many used to call and text me during their free time. These were real people with real thought and real needs. To take away their life based on any ideal or hate is just simply wrong. I'm just heartbroken. These girls and all the people shot deserved better. This was an act of hatred, racism and worst of all terrorism in my opinion. I really hope and pray for all of the victims and especially their families.[/QUOTE]Your words were spot on.

I am somewhat startled by how visible the spas down there are? Up here they are just plain old houses in old run down rust belt areas with a small non eye catching sign out front and a simple neon "open" sign in the window. These seem to be lit up like Vegas. Don't they worry about frigid types like those ganging on against Cuomo noticing them and looking into it?

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/shooting-in-atlanta/2021/03/17/a4027d46-8758-11eb-8a67-f314e5fcf88d_story.html[/URL] So this report says the guy was addicted to sex and maybe trying to eliminate his problem.

[QUOTE=NightOwl2548;5260825]I am somewhat startled by how visible the spas down there are? Up here they are just plain old houses in old run down rust belt areas with a small non eye catching sign out front and a simple neon "open" sign in the window. These seem to be lit up like Vegas. Don't they worry about frigid types like those ganging on against Cuomo noticing them and looking into it?[/QUOTE]Yes, Gold Spa and Aromatherapy are lit up like Vegas because they've operated unchallenged for decades in the Buckhead area of Atlanta. I assume they pay off local officials to stay in business. That said, the average parlor in Atlanta doesn't advertise like that. Most have a simple Open sign and that's it.

[QUOTE=HungDong69;5259970]I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but I think the lady that has been identified as "Xiaojie" may be someone that perhaps many on this board might know as Emily. She did tell me she lived in Kennesaw and this lady, Xiaojie, did as well. A truly sweet and wonderful woman whose cell phone number I had and she sometimes sent me random texts, including one for Merry Christmas a few years back. Heart is broken if Emily is a victim here; I will light a candle for her and all the other providers that lost their lives yesterday. A truly sad day and horrid chapter for all of us mongers on the board.

Rest in Peace.[/QUOTE]I'm almost certain it is Emily. She was the sweetest and this is absolutely horrific. This guy needs to fry.

[QUOTE=NightOwl2548;5260825]I am somewhat startled by how visible the spas down there are? Up here they are just plain old houses in old run down rust belt areas with a small non eye catching sign out front and a simple neon "open" sign in the window. These seem to be lit up like Vegas. Don't they worry about frigid types like those ganging on against Cuomo noticing them and looking into it?[/QUOTE]Aromatherapy had a huge light up sign yes, but most of the spas here have subtle signs or are in old houses here as well but the media will publish the one sign that looks like it belongs on a strip club.

[QUOTE=CosmicDice;5260369]Claiming 'sex addiction' could be considered a mental illness whereas racism isn't when it comes to facing a jury. Is this SOB smart enough to have planned that out ahead? Or is crazy just crazy?[/QUOTE]The dude who wrote the hate-crime law says it could be, but because they are 'random' women and not because they are Chinese or Korean. They were there. Makes America see them as humans and not objects. Had it been Norcross Latinas and Koreans, there'd be no national outcry. And there should be. We'll see what happens.

I am sorry to hear about these tragic killings. I'm not from Atlanta, but have visited other spas around the country. I believe these spas provide much-needed service to men, who do not have a personal relationship in their life. Many men do not have the social skills or ability to have "normal" sexual relations with other women. These spa women provide female interaction to these men, who are either too shy or unattractive to other women. Apparently, the killer is this type of man. It is sad this guy was so emotionally and intellectually screwed up to do what he did.

In closing, I have always thought the spas provided relief to men, who might otherwise rape or murder a woman, who might set them off. I think of the spa workers more as service workers, who provide a needed social service. It's too bad that it's not legal. Hopefully, it will be in the future. I know it won't be in my lifetime.

[QUOTE=HungDong69;5259970]I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but I think the lady that has been identified as "Xiaojie" may be someone that perhaps many on this board might know as Emily. She did tell me she lived in Kennesaw and this lady, Xiaojie, did as well. A truly sweet and wonderful woman whose cell phone number I had and she sometimes sent me random texts, including one for Merry Christmas a few years back. Heart is broken if Emily is a victim here; I will light a candle for her and all the other providers that lost their lives yesterday. A truly sad day and horrid chapter for all of us mongers on the board.

Rest in Peace.[/QUOTE]Emily did indeed pass away on that horrific day. Keep her in your thoughts today. She would have been 50 today.

Rest In Peace, Sweetheart.

[QUOTE=Jackbb;5260923]I am sorry to hear about these tragic killings. I'm not from Atlanta, but have visited other spas around the country. I believe these spas provide much-needed service to men, who do not have a personal relationship in their life. Many men do not have the social skills or ability to have "normal" sexual relations with other women. These spa women provide female interaction to these men, who are either too shy or unattractive to other women. Apparently, the killer is this type of man. It is sad this guy was so emotionally and intellectually screwed up to do what he did.

In closing, I have always thought the spas provided relief to men, who might otherwise rape or murder a woman, who might set them off. I think of the spa workers more as service workers, who provide a needed social service. It's too bad that it's not legal. Hopefully, it will be in the future. I know it won't be in my lifetime.[/QUOTE]That is the exact conversation I had with someone yesterday about the parlors, it gives men a sexual outlet, if you take it away some might get desperate, to close them down would hurt the girls working there, the men who go there, and anyone who suffers as a side effect of the men not having an outlet.

[QUOTE=CosmicDice;5260369]Claiming 'sex addiction' could be considered a mental illness whereas racism isn't when it comes to facing a jury. Is this SOB smart enough to have planned that out ahead? Or is crazy just crazy?[/QUOTE]First, I haven't been on these boards in years but I use to participate and this was the first place I decided to look for news. Second, this whole thing was a senseless killing of innocent people by a crazy guy. Third, I want to respectfully challenge all of the hate crime sentiment that is being thrown around. Again, this guy was a crazy guy who I have no doubt was motivated by the industry and whatever weird temptations he felt. If he was gay and these were gay spas with homosexual men who were shot, that would be called a hate crime. If this industry was Hispanic, it would be called a hate crime. If it was white women, it would be called a misogynistic hate crime. Correlation is not causation. If he hated asians, he would have gone to Buford highway and shot up a flea market or a Ramen noodle shop. This was Spa specific and spas happen to be run by Asian women. Why does everything have to be twisted to prove there is hatred in this country?

[QUOTE=DonDoHer;5260799]Your words were spot on.[/QUOTE]Fuck off! This had nothing to do with Racism you fucking idiots! Get a life and give it a rest. Identity politics is as far as your brain can see. OMG here comes Uncle Joe and Aunt Kamala to exploit this and keep the hate alive!