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I have never done four hands before and was wondering about the tipping process. I know normally you pay the house fee+a tip of say $.6 to so. When doing four hands, you pay the larger house fee but then how does the tip work? Is it $.6 per girl? Or something they split?
I see four hands being advertised a lot at reasonable prices for the house fee, but want to make sure I walk in the door with enough money to cover the experience.
Located on 31 Elizabeth st 5th floor.
It was 60 for the 1 hour message (shower included).
F / S was 100 beainy treated name very and I mean very well.
Gentleman if you see an Ad that says "Big Booty Lovers Hot China Doll" etc. Please don't waste your time or money.
[URL]http://manhattan.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/booty-lovers-hot-china-doll-da-bomb-babyhungry-mouth-and-tite-23/47042211[/URL]
First I got an older woman she had to be 50, skinny with botox surgery and fake enhanced top. Chinese. I was drunk so I said fine. Only gave me 5 minutes and said time is up I will give you a younger girl I am too tired. Younger chubby Chinese girl comes in, decent ass with DD top natural but still rushing. Gave me 10 minutes and said time is up and rushed me out the door. Definitely not worth what they are asking for. You get much better quality girls in Queens or another part of the city for the same money. Massage is not even included.
[QUOTE=Khankhan;2094130]Hi All -.
After RTFFing here quite a bit as well as other sites an issue I am running into is that there are pretty much too many options in regards to massage in Manhattan. Because of this, its rare for me to come across any single establishment that has been reviewed more than a handful or times in the last couple of years. Additionally I see that old compared to new reviews of the same establishment can vary quite a bit. This is complicated by a number of obvious shill posts I have encountered on other sites. To some extent this is also due to some reviews using address and not name, or different establishment having similar names or the names being shortened in a review to an extent I get confused as to what place is actually being spoken about. This is resulting in a lot of confusion on my part in what sort of millage can be expected at one location compared to another.
I did find a wonderful post from a few months ago in this forum that covered how to act and what to expect on a general level, that was extremely helpful.
Specifically, I will staying close to times square and am looking to have a good time. Places I have found that look attractive are RedSpa 21, Hiyako Spa, and Upscale Body Rub. If anyone has recommendations on where I can find up to date pricing expectations and a rough idea of what would be on the menu for each location (HJ? BJ? FS?) and general recommendations that would be very helpful. Additionally if anyone has a comment of someplace I may have overlooked that would be great.
Along these lines, I did come across the dollar bill site, it seems respected?
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]I used to frequent Red Spa 21 before. I enjoyed myself the times I visited. House fee was always $80 and masseuse fee varied. It was hit and miss getting FS or BJ. The girls were sexy but I never saw the same one more than once. If you want sex, just get an escort. I've tried to visit hiyako spa numerous time but the address that I obtained led me to a gray metal door. I went up and that led to a bunch of offices. I visit this one place in flushing Queens that is $35 fee and probably $40 for HJ.
I'm going to be visiting NYC and will stay in the midtown area. I enjoy full body sensual massage; I'm not looking for more. I like a genuine LMT style massage with a happy ending. I generally prefer mature, skilled providers with pleasant personalities.
I have seen a few interesting possibilities on Back Page body rubs and massage.
I welcome your recommendations.
Thanks.
Hello Guys, I will be visiting in a couple weeks and was looking for a place or two to enjoy while in NYC.
Thanks in advance.
So I head up to the sixth floor and look around.
I walk around the hall and see two parlors, but settle on the one that looks NON OFFICIAL. I see some drunk mexican dudes arguing with the women, who were older. Probably 40's. Eventually they leave, I walk around some more then go back. I go in and choose the more attractive of the bunch and head to the room.
I point to my cock and she nods yes. I pay her 40 for the house then she leaves and I undress. She comes back gets naked and starts with a BBJ. Its OK, but then I tell her OK, and put on the rubber. She lays on her back but I tell her to bend over. She had a great body for her age, nice ass and big tits. I try to go in but she's super fucking tight LOL she turns around and spreads and I get in, it was TIIIIGHT. Maybe she hasn't fucked in DECADES LOL.
It was really good. I fucked her with her legs around my neck and she was moaning and in pain. She tells me to slow down and I do for a second LOL, but then I continue going at it hard and fast.
I tell her to get on top and she rides cowgirl style. Eventually I bust and I'm done. I tip her 100 and tell her very good, and she was super happy LOL the woman knows how to fuck for sure.
Overall 140, I think it was fun.
[QUOTE=DoctorD;2106993]I'm going to be visiting NYC and will stay in the midtown area. I enjoy full body sensual massage; I'm not looking for more. I like a genuine LMT style massage with a happy ending. I generally prefer mature, skilled providers with pleasant personalities.
I have seen a few interesting possibilities on Back Page body rubs and massage.
I welcome your recommendations.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sally's Spa will hopefully be all you need. I forget the exact address but it is right near 34th Herald Square train station. You can find the phone # on UG / SH. 220 for everything 1 hr and less $ if you want less accommodations.
Hey guys in NYC for the weekend. How's silky Tigers? Worth it?
I'm not cheap but she better have a bag of tricks if they want extra. No provider should think that they are getting any extra.
[QUOTE=Jerichoo;2108264]So I head up to the sixth floor and look around.
I walk around the hall and see two parlors, but settle on the one that looks NON OFFICIAL. I see some drunk mexican dudes arguing with the women, who were older. Probably 40's. Eventually they leave, I walk around some more then go back. I go in and choose the more attractive of the bunch and head to the room.
I point to my cock and she nods yes. I pay her 40 for the house then she leaves and I undress. She comes back gets naked and starts with a BBJ. Its OK, but then I tell her OK, and put on the rubber. She lays on her back but I tell her to bend over. She had a great body for her age, nice ass and big tits. I try to go in but she's super fucking tight LOL she turns around and spreads and I get in, it was TIIIIGHT. Maybe she hasn't fucked in DECADES LOL.
It was really good. I fucked her with her legs around my neck and she was moaning and in pain. She tells me to slow down and I do for a second LOL, but then I continue going at it hard and fast.
I tell her to get on top and she rides cowgirl style. Eventually I bust and I'm done. I tip her 100 and tell her very good, and she was super happy LOL the woman knows how to fuck for sure.
Overall 140, I think it was fun.[/QUOTE]You overtipped big time for 6th floor. I just went to 3rd floor on Friday and standard rate is 100-120 all in (tip +house) for 6th floor it is 80-100 all in. 6th floor has BS girls and they know it, so you have to pay them less. If you start paying them more the place will shut down because mamasan or papasan will get too greedy.
I got a chance to visit Hiyako Spa late last week and thought I would report in.
First off, thanks to everyone that replied to my previous questions and sent me PMs. Great information.
I checked the daily Hiyako Spa schedule and called to make an appointment. The woman answering the phone had a think accent and was frankly hard to understand. She tried to give me directions but I really did not understand what she was saying, and instead relied on google street view to get to the place. It was a bit weird, unmarked door and elevator to another unmarked but worked out fine.
One entering I was directed to the first room and told to get ready. I never had been to an asian spa before so this was a first for me, but after RTFF I at least had some of the basics down. I stripped down naked putting my wallet / phone into the robe pocket and then waited with the rope untied and everything hanging out. I was visiting with Joy, she came in and and right away giggled at me and "helped" me close the robe correctly. A bit of small talk and paid the house fee and she left, coming right back to lead me to the table shower.
The table shower was new to me, and I did not read much before in description of what it is. So for the benefit of others I will try to describe. The room was two tables with a curtain in the middle, and a little shower head with a long cord. There was a trash can with water that was filling up from the shower head, so fresh. (I would not think the room is usable for two table showers at once, at least I would not want to share one.) Joy took the robe and hung it up in the room, instructing me to lay down on the table. She then used some container to wet me down, then soaped me up. Once I was soapy she took the time to clean me all over. And I mean all over. Assuming this is normal, if you never had a table shower before expect you ass crack to become very very clean afterward. She flipped me over and then did the same to the front, including a complete cleaning of my dick.
The whole experience of the table shower was very non-sexual for me. Yet at the same time I enjoyed it quite a bit. There is something decadent about having a pretty girl clean you up like that, and its something I found to be well worth the house fee. Perhaps other girls do it with more teasing making it a sexual experience, but I did not have any complaints at all.
Joy lead me back to the room (during the walk I was paying attention to the other rooms and they all seemed empty at the time) and had me lay face down. She then gave me a hell of a massage, which I was not expecting at all. Really the massage was as good as professional massages I have received in the past and was well worth the time. Really after paying the house fee for the table shower and massage, if I left with just that I would have been content. Was a pleasurable experience. Again however, non-sexual.
After a pretty long massage she asked me if there was anything else I wanted. She gave me three price brackets which I assumed was HJ, BJ, and FS. I told her I would like "everything" and she said she would be right back. I paid her on her return, and she started with a soft touch. During this she brought up an up-sell of a body slide with gel for another $50. On one hand I felt as if I was already paying enough and I would hate to be called a sucker, but on the other hand it was my first time and I would rather feel foolish of spending too much then wonder what I passed up. Especially as I have seen the videos on line of what they are like, so here is a chance to experience it in person, so I said yes.
She started covering my back with gel and then, stripped down nude and started sliding on me. I would like to talk about how great this was but really it was more a game of me guessing "what body part is that" based on feel. I felt her pussy rub on my leg, boobs on my back and ass, and so on. Was not really doing anything for me. She flipped me over, used the gel again and started to rub on my front. This was better, and it did feel good. I could have cum from it really easy, but really I did not need the tease at all as I was ready to go anyways. Over all, I would not recommend paying extra for it. If you got it included in the cost great but it was not worth the extra money and I would not do it again. At the same time I am glad I did it just for the experience, but it will make watching the videos less fun now.
After the slide she placed a rubber on my and started with a blowjob. It was good, not great, but I don't have any complaints about it at all. She did place her pussy close to my head and I could have gone for DATY but really I am not into that with girls that I don't see on a regular basis, especially ones that seem to be higher traffic. After a BJ, she turned around and started GC with me.
Now, this was the biggest surprise. Joy was TIGHT. Really tight. I saw her put some lube in there before mounting me, so it was not a matter of being dry at all, but there was that feeling of her fingers down there at the head while it is trying to slide in but just not finding the room, then a sudden pop of the head all the way in and the rest just sliding in place. She pulls her hand away and starts to ride and she stayed tight though the whole event. It felt like a cross between a tight BJ and sex combined into one, and you could feel exactly where she was on the dick as she slid up and down on it. I can't really remember a woman I have been with being that tight before, and it was very impressive. She rides me slow at first, then speeds up the whole time making all the right moans and appearing to have an orgasm. I won't lie to myself and pretend it was real, but she did a good job acting. After I cum, she dismounted and got a paper towel to take the condom off and away. The whole time she was talking about how good it was, how she enjoyed it, and so on. Again, I don't believe for a moment she was being honest but during the come down it was nice.
She cleaned me up and then gave me more massage while exchanging small talk. She was far more friendly after the sex compared to before, and really I wish she was that open and chatty the whole time as she was afterward. Lots of invites to come back and see her again.
I left the place feeling good and refreshed with empty balls. Between the table shower, the massage and good sex it was a very good experience. Never once felt unsafe at all.
I don't know if I will repeat on this however. My concern is sex trafficking at places in NY like this, and what the odds are this is forced. Joy was great to work with and never once seemed reluctant to do anything. Very professional the whole time. On the other hand, I would prefer to know that the woman I am paying is entering into the act of her own free will, and I am not sure that asian massage places can give me that assurance. Not judging at all, and this is something I need to look into more and think about. If anyone has comments or feedback on this topic regarding asian massage in NYC that would be great. Until then, I will likely stick with independent escorts.
I have more time in NYC coming so I will be looking for more entertainment. I will be sure to provide feedback with any other adventures.
[QUOTE=TerilusKong;2116627]You overtipped big time for 6th floor. I just went to 3rd floor on Friday and standard rate is 100-120 all in (tip +house) for 6th floor it is 80-100 all in. 6th floor has BS girls and they know it, so you have to pay them less. If you start paying them more the place will shut down because mamasan or papasan will get too greedy.[/QUOTE]LOL I felt in a good mood, and felt the fuck was worth a 100 dollar tip. If I ever did return I'd for sure tip a 40 then LOL. As far as thrid floor, I looked around there and didn't even see a spa LOL.
[QUOTE=Khankhan;2116715]I got a chance to visit Hiyako Spa late last week and thought I would report in.
.... I stripped down naked putting my wallet / phone into the robe pocket and then waited with the rope untied and everything hanging out. I was visiting with Joy, she came in and and right away giggled at me and "helped" me close the robe correctly. A bit of small talk and paid the house fee and she left, coming right back to lead me to the table shower.
....I don't know if I will repeat on this however. My concern is sex trafficking at places in NY like this, and what the odds are this is forced. Joy was great to work with and never once seemed reluctant to do anything. Very professional the whole time. On the other hand, I would prefer to know that the woman I am paying is entering into the act of her own free will, and I am not sure that Asian massage places can give me that assurance. Not judging at all, and this is something I need to look into more and think about. If anyone has comments or feedback on this topic regarding Asian massage in NYC that would be great. Until then, I will likely stick with independent escorts.[/QUOTE]Great report, reminded me of my experience during my first visit to an AMP back in 1989.
I've deleted most of your report to save space but left two paragraphs that I wanted to comment about:
1) You were absolutely correct to strip down totally as soon as possible, as this helps establish that you are there for a massage plus extras and that you're not an undercover cop. I usually strip naked in front of the mamasan as soon as I get into the room, especially easy in the summer months where I'll purposely wear t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops to strip down more quickly.
2) Yes, sex trafficking is a issue in New York City, but those young ladies are more likely to be trapped working in under-the-radar places in Flushing and Manhattan's Chinatown, servicing primarily an Asian clientele, not an open place like Hiyako. Based on what you wrote, I'm guessing the Joy is a Korean woman, probably over 30 years old, who is willingly working at Hiyako to earn money. It may not be her first choice of employment, but she's probably not being forced to be there. Over the years, I've gotten to know some of the Korean AMP providers and they are more likely to be working there to escape a bad marriage back home. I've even seen some of them at Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, so they are obviously not under lock and key.
[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2119083]Great report, reminded me of my experience during my first visit to an AMP back in 1989.
I've deleted most of your report to save space but left two paragraphs that I wanted to comment about:
1) You were absolutely correct to strip down totally as soon as possible, as this helps establish that you are there for a massage plus extras and that you're not an undercover cop. I usually strip naked in front of the mamasan as soon as I get into the room, especially easy in the summer months where I'll purposely wear t-shirt, shorts and flip-flops to strip down more quickly.
2) Yes, sex trafficking is a issue in New York City, but those young ladies are more likely to be trapped working in under-the-radar places in Flushing and Manhattan's Chinatown, servicing primarily an Asian clientele, not an open place like Hiyako. Based on what you wrote, I'm guessing the Joy is a Korean woman, probably over 30 years old, who is willingly working at Hiyako to earn money. It may not be her first choice of employment, but she's probably not being forced to be there. Over the years, I've gotten to know some of the Korean AMP providers and they are more likely to be working there to escape a bad marriage back home. I've even seen some of them at Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, so they are obviously not under lock and key.[/QUOTE]The owner / manager puts ads in Korean news papers in NYC and NJ for her talent. At least this is what she did 4 or 5 years ago when I knew her. Her problem back then was turnover. A girl would get popular and build a clientele, then she would go someplace else because she was making more money, or just decide to do something else.