[QUOTE=LetsGetStarted;4173801]Why are their cameras in the rooms?[/QUOTE]The feds installed the cameras, not the owners. The owners are indicted as well.
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[QUOTE=LetsGetStarted;4173801]Why are their cameras in the rooms?[/QUOTE]The feds installed the cameras, not the owners. The owners are indicted as well.
[QUOTE=LetsGetStarted;4173801]Why are their cameras in the rooms?[/QUOTE]I saw the police report on the West Palm forum. Some details unclear, but the best I could figure is that they watched the place for a while, pulled over several customers afterwards (maybe for traffic issues) and asked about the place. Got some evidence of prostitution / trafficking from the customers so they ordered a health dept. Inspection which reported evidence of women living there (dressers, food, medications, etc.) which I guess is evidence of "trafficking. " So they got a judge to issue a video /(no audio) surveillance warrant to get more evidence of trafficking. Not sure how a video would show trafficking (maybe the owner using force on the women)??
Somehow they go they got place evacuated (bomb threat?) to allow the surveillance cameras to be installed in every room. This was done 1-3 days before they started surveillance of everyone going in. Surveillance lasted 5 days. Not sure how the owner / women did not the notice the cameras as they were there every day for 12 hours (they must be very small? I doubt that they just tapped into any existing cameras (I doubt that every room would have had a camera before this).
Police report does not state much about evidence of "trafficking" but I guess this is an indirect way to approach the matter.
One report I saw said that Kraft was not the most "famous" name on their list of "customers" Waiting to see if they make public the names of any other well known people who frequented the place??
[QUOTE=Qetuo;4174324]I saw the police report on the West Palm forum. Some details unclear, but the best I could figure is that they watched the place for a while, pulled over several customers afterwards (maybe for traffic issues) and asked about the place. Got some evidence of prostitution / trafficking from the customers so they ordered a health dept. Inspection which reported evidence of women living there (dressers, food, medications, etc.) which I guess is evidence of "trafficking. " So they got a judge to issue a video /(no audio) surveillance warrant to get more evidence of trafficking. Not sure how a video would show trafficking (maybe the owner using force on the women)??
Somehow they go they got place evacuated (bomb threat?) to allow the surveillance cameras to be installed in every room. This was done 1-3 days before they started surveillance of everyone going in. Surveillance lasted 5 days. Not sure how the owner / women did not the notice the cameras as they were there every day for 12 hours (they must be very small? I doubt that they just tapped into any existing cameras (I doubt that every room would have had a camera before this).
Police report does not state much about evidence of "trafficking" but I guess this is an indirect way to approach the matter.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Qetuo;4174324]I saw the police report on the West Palm forum. Some details unclear, but the best I could figure is that they watched the place for a while, pulled over several customers afterwards (maybe for traffic issues) and asked about the place. Got some evidence of prostitution / trafficking from the customers so they ordered a health dept. Inspection which reported evidence of women living there (dressers, food, medications, etc.) which I guess is evidence of "trafficking. " So they got a judge to issue a video /(no audio) surveillance warrant to get more evidence of trafficking. Not sure how a video would show trafficking (maybe the owner using force on the women)??
Somehow they go they got place evacuated (bomb threat?) to allow the surveillance cameras to be installed in every room. This was done 1-3 days before they started surveillance of everyone going in. Surveillance lasted 5 days. Not sure how the owner / women did not the notice the cameras as they were there every day for 12 hours (they must be very small? I doubt that they just tapped into any existing cameras (I doubt that every room would have had a camera before this).
Police report does not state much about evidence of "trafficking" but I guess this is an indirect way to approach the matter.[/QUOTE]One thing I noticed in the police report was several times when the report mentioned the lights were turned off, then lights on and clean up ensued. Is that a method of avoiding the cameras. Simple enjoy your massage in the dark?
I am really having an issue with the Kraft Case. Below is an account of the reports:
Law enforcement officers claim that Kraft twice solicited another person for sex. He allegedly did so on Jan. 19 and Jan. 20 at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter.
According to a narrative of the Sunday, Jan. 20 events signed by Detective Andrew Sharp, Kraft wore a dark long-sleeve shirt, blue baseball cap and blue shorts when he walked into the spa at 10:59 am. Kraft allegedly entered through a front door and paid cash to a woman who worked at the front desk. The narrative claims that two police surveillance cameras captured Kraft's activities while in the spa. It's clear from the narrative's description that the cameras were part of a sting operation to videotape men who solicited the spa's worker for sex.
Upon entering a spa room, Kraft allegedly hugged a woman. He then took off all of his clothing. At that point, the narrative insists, Kraft "laid face up on the massage table" and was hugged again by the woman. She then "manipulated Kraft's penis and testicles and then put her head down by his penis" for a period of several minutes. The woman then used a towel to wipe Kraft in the area of his genitals. Thereafter she helped Kraft dress and hugged him once again. Kraft then paid her a $100 bill, and another bill, and left the room at 11:13 am. Kraft then walked to the parking lot and entered the passenger side of a blue Bentley waiting for him.
This narrative also asserts that Kraft had entered the spa a day earlier and "was positively identified by a Massachusetts driver's license. " A separate narrative by Detective Sharp, dated Saturday Jan. 19, describes Kraft as entering the spa that day at 4:45 pm and leaving it at 5:25 pm. This narrative describes a similar experience as discussed above. Some differences include Kraft being observed while using a cell phone in the waiting area. Also, two women allegedly massaged him that Saturday. One of those women allegedly placed her hands on Kraft's penis. After Kraft left the spa, he entered the passenger side of the Bentley. Shortly after the Bentley left the parking lot of the strip mall, a police officer pulled over the car for a traffic stop. Obviously, since Kraft allegedly returned to the spa the next day, neither he nor his driver realized that the purpose of the stop was to obtain a copy of his Massachusetts driver's license and confirm his identity.
The first issue is the vagueness of the law. It is illegal to solicit, or induce, another person for sexual activities. Isn't that called dating? Also, all they are saying is that there are images of him going in, getting sex and then leaving money. Nothing in there says he asked to have sex for money. Granted, it sounds like he was a regular (by the way they hugged him and the way his driver took him there regularly). I gave my girlfriend money recently and we had just had sex. Does that mean we committed a crime?
The second issue is that they were specifically pulling over people leaving the place. Is there really probable cause? What did they pull them over for? Speeding, running a red light? Not a complete stop? In either case, why did HE have to produce identification when clearly HE was not the driver?
Finally, what if he went in there and had an actual massage? Simply be going to a place of business, he was the target of entrapment with the stop and request for his driver's license.
Sadly, none of this is going to stop human trafficking in the same way arresting a junkie is not going to stop drug smuggling and dealing. Had Mr. Kraft participated in the same activity in most of the counties in Nevada, he would have done nothing wrong.
[QUOTE=PastMyPrime;4181396]I am really having an issue with the Kraft Case. Below is an account of the reports:
Law enforcement officers claim that Kraft twice solicited another person for sex. He allegedly did so on Jan. 19 and Jan. 20 at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter.
According to a narrative of the Sunday, Jan. 20 events signed by Detective Andrew Sharp, Kraft wore a dark long-sleeve shirt, blue baseball cap and blue shorts when he walked into the spa at 10:59 am. Kraft allegedly entered through a front door and paid cash to a woman who worked at the front desk. The narrative claims that two police surveillance cameras captured Kraft's activities while in the spa. It's clear from the narrative's description that the cameras were part of a sting operation to videotape men who solicited the spa's worker for sex.
Upon entering a spa room, Kraft allegedly hugged a woman. He then took off all of his clothing. At that point, the narrative insists, Kraft "laid face up on the massage table" and was hugged again by the woman. She then "manipulated Kraft's penis and testicles and then put her head down by his penis" for a period of several minutes. The woman then used a towel to wipe Kraft in the area of his genitals. Thereafter she helped Kraft dress and hugged him once again. Kraft then paid her a $100 bill, and another bill, and left the room at 11:13 am. Kraft then walked to the parking lot and entered the passenger side of a blue Bentley waiting for him.
This narrative also asserts that Kraft had entered the spa a day earlier and "was positively identified by a Massachusetts driver's license. " A separate narrative by Detective Sharp, dated Saturday Jan. 19, describes Kraft as entering the spa that day at 4:45 pm and leaving it at 5:25 pm. This narrative describes a similar experience as discussed above. Some differences include Kraft being observed while using a cell phone in the waiting area. Also, two women allegedly massaged him that Saturday. One of those women allegedly placed her hands on Kraft's penis. After Kraft left the spa, he entered the passenger side of the Bentley. Shortly after the Bentley left the parking lot of the strip mall, a police officer pulled over the car for a traffic stop. Obviously, since Kraft allegedly returned to the spa the next day, neither he nor his driver realized that the purpose of the stop was to obtain a copy of his Massachusetts driver's license and confirm his identity.
The first issue is the vagueness of the law. It is illegal to solicit, or induce, another person for sexual activities. Isn't that called dating? Also, all they are saying is that there are images of him going in, getting sex and then leaving money. Nothing in there says he asked to have sex for money. Granted, it sounds like he was a regular (by the way they hugged him and the way his driver took him there regularly). I gave my girlfriend money recently and we had just had sex. Does that mean we committed a crime?
The second issue is that they were specifically pulling over people leaving the place. Is there really probable cause? What did they pull them over for? Speeding, running a red light? Not a complete stop? In either case, why did HE have to produce identification when clearly HE was not the driver?
Finally, what if he went in there and had an actual massage? Simply be going to a place of business, he was the target of entrapment with the stop and request for his driver's license.
Sadly, none of this is going to stop human trafficking in the same way arresting a junkie is not going to stop drug smuggling and dealing. Had Mr. Kraft participated in the same activity in most of the counties in Nevada, he would have done nothing wrong.[/QUOTE]If anyone would have enough money and power to fight this, it would be Kraft. I know he has plead not guilty. I hope he doesn't take some plea deal. I would love to see him challenge the law. As for Toledo, I'm not too worried. I still go as always and never felt paranoid.
Quick report, just to prove I can do that.
60 for the hour. 40 tip afterward. Slim Asian lady in her fifties. Cute considering. English was really rough, that got in the way a little.
Decent but unremarkable massage, very little teasing until after the flip and well into the front massage. Handshake offered and accepted. Won't be in a hurry to repeat but they are reliable. Was tempted to go to the Dragon place on Hill / Reynolds. Usually a more sensuous experience but the HE is almost always in doubt. Prices usually the same either place.
So I thought I'd give them a try today. Mama takes me to the room, I', m in a hurry so I ask for hhr, one of the fugliest Asian woman I've ever seen comes in with boltons, bird legs & a short skirt! She starts rubbing my back for maybe 5 min, lays next to me face to face asks what do I want, I tell here I'm horny she stands up & says how much you got I say 80 she says ok motions hg I say no & point to what I want she says 160 I say no way & she says the same thing so I said ok I'm leaving & it didn't bother her! So it looks like all the reviews are right it's hit or miss. I'm lucky I travel to Youngstown every couple of Mon. & for a total of $140 get some younger & nicer looking girls in Warren.
[QUOTE=SlooHands;4209046]So I thought I'd give them a try today. Mama takes me to the room, I', m in a hurry so I ask for hhr, one of the fugliest Asian woman I've ever seen comes in with boltons, bird legs & a short skirt! She starts rubbing my back for maybe 5 min, lays next to me face to face asks what do I want, I tell here I'm horny she stands up & says how much you got I say 80 she says ok motions hg I say no & point to what I want she says 160 I say no way & she says the same thing so I said ok I'm leaving & it didn't bother her! So it looks like all the reviews are right it's hit or miss. I'm lucky I travel to Youngstown every couple of Mon. & for a total of $140 get some younger & nicer looking girls in Warren.[/QUOTE]Jackson also worth the drive.
[QUOTE=BadBird;4209347]Jackson also worth the drive.[/QUOTE]Sun Spa? Some like Luna in Ann Arbor.
[QUOTE=ThrobbinWood;4209353]Sun Spa? Some like Luna in Ann Arbor.[/QUOTE]Are things really that bad in Toledo that Jackson and AA are an worth ther drive? Was considering visiting from MI but I guess not.
[QUOTE=Averily;4209732]Are things really that bad in Toledo that Jackson and AA are an worth ther drive? Was considering visiting from MI but I guess not.[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder LOL.
Jackson spas are a given for FS, but I doubt the ladies are significantly younger or better looking than what you would find in Toledo at Chang or Sun (or is it M1. On Secor Rd. Just north of Westgate) on any given day. Which, BTW, are the only consistent FS options in Toledo these days. Never read a report of FS at Luna in Ann Arbor OR a report of significantly younger or hotter ladies there.
Over the years I've visited younger hotter ladies and old sea hags at both Chang and Sun. Depends on the ladies that are rotated in.
I wouldn't make the drive from Toledo to Ann Arbor or Jackson specifically to visit an AMP, but would give them a go if I was already in the area.
Read some posts questioning AA spas. I can vouch that Luna is definetly worth stopping into if you're up in that area. Been there twice and honestly I've gotten the best massage I've ever had both times. Only went for a HE both times but its so much more relaxed too. You walk in, she asks "massage?" - you say "yea" - leads you back, asks how long you want - 'Ok, lay down and undress' - she comes back does the magic and a little extra magic at the end. No questions, no haggling. No discussion about prices. I guess that's why someone said FS hasn't been reported on. They literally haven't asked what I'm after. They just go for it. At the end you just pay for massage plus whatever tip you feel is necessary I guess. I plan on returning next time I'm up there.
Happy to report that nothing has changed here. Same professionally run AMP experience that I've had there in the past.
Getting bored with the same old Asian AMP scene. Kind of more into the bbw type massage Had luck in the Columbus area. Nice clean big and curvey pretty feet nice outfits but haven't ventured that far lately. Please help! Thanks.