The Prickyard

[QUOTE=Ilapp;3359931]The next time anyone asks me for a personal reference to to see someone and the first thing you do after getting in the door is try to bargain for a better price if you give a favorable review it will be the last time you had better use me for a reference. As A matter of fact if you try to use me for a reference and then start to bargain with whoever I spoke to for you it will be the last time no matter what you offered to do. Besides you numb nuts, and this is meant as no disrespect to my old friend, the legend that is The "Numbnutts", just an adjective for the unelightened, after I mentioned her the last couple days her dance card is full already. Her reputation as a great provider and one hell of a gorgeous piece of ass is really all she needs for a review anyway.[/QUOTE]I don't know of the lady or the situation in question, so hope I am not speaking out of turn here. I negotiate almost everything, I enjoy the process. However I never negotiate with one of the ladies. If the asking rate is higher than I am willing to give after considering the pleasure I expect to have based on my research then I politely say no thank you or never call in the first place. My theory is that if a quality provider takes less than she really expects then the session may very well be less than her best. The best experience possible is what I am hoping to have when I make an appointment. Each to their own, just my approach.

[QUOTE=BgDoc3;3359970]IMHO when the agreement is struck. It should never be done after the agreement is made to see one another. That would be rude. A man has a right to present his case for rates. A woman has a right to say no. Who bargains or does not, that should also be worked out before a reference is given and the referers preferences should be honored as it their reputation to be considered also. Ilapp makes some good points but bargaining is part of the process or could be. A woman also has a right to state her $$ wishes and to change her wishes should she choose to do so after discussion with her client. All part of the process but stopped when the lady says this is what I am wanting and asking. I hope you all are doing well over here and if you have not heard, an Ohio monger who "knows" has stated that Silk's issues where not due to pharmacy which makes us all happier for that but still sad she is no longer with us. Have a good weekend to you all.[/QUOTE]A provider sets her rates at a number she is comfortable with. To offer her less simply says you do not value her opinion or her self set worth. It also will oftentimes land on a blacklist as a cheap haggler.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;3359931]The next time anyone asks me for a personal reference to to see someone and the first thing you do after getting in the door is try to bargain for a better price if you give a favorable review it will be the last time you had better use me for a reference. As A matter of fact if you try to use me for a reference and then start to bargain with whoever I spoke to for you it will be the last time no matter what you offered to do. Besides you numb nuts, and this is meant as no disrespect to my old friend, the legend that is The "Numbnutts", just an adjective for the unelightened, after I mentioned her the last couple days her dance card is full already. Her reputation as a great provider and one hell of a gorgeous piece of ass is really all she needs for a review anyway.[/QUOTE]Didn't we just cover this?

1. Nobody ever paid a phone bill with a good review.

2. Why should a provider trust someone who says they will write a good review, when the person agreed to the price to be paid before walking in the door? They've already proven they can't be trusted.

3. Why should anyone pay attention to their reviews if the only determining factor is whether or not they got a discount?

4. The time to bargain is before you set the appointment. Do you go to a restaurant, order your food and then ask for a 20% discount once the food is on the table?

5. If you get a referral from someone, you are accepting responsibility for their reputation. If you're going to be an asshole, mention it to the person you're asking to refer you.

"Hey, can you do me a favor? Can you give me a referral to see provider x? She won't see me without a reference. I'm going to be a dickhead when I see her, but I'm sure you don't mind. Hello? Hello?

[QUOTE=Sarag;3360235]A provider sets her rates at a number she is comfortable with. To offer her less simply says you do not value her opinion or her self set worth. It also will oftentimes land on a blacklist as a cheap haggler.[/QUOTE]There are ways to do it without being a cheap haggler. I don't think BgDoc3 was being disrespectful, on the contrary he was saying to respect the providers agreement.

To ask a provider if they have any specials is not a bad thing. She can politely respond with, "No I don't offer any, my rate is my rate, please let me know if you are still interested". A simple question is not haggling. Haggling comes when the response is "No" and the potential client becomes persistent on asking for a better deal. To ask a provider for a discount if you give a good review is like saying "If you want a good review then I need a discount". I think it's almost the same as saying "I might give you an honest or bad review if you don't give me a discount". Some, very few, providers have and do offer discounts for the "NEXT" visit if a good review has been posted by said client. Again this is rare and is discussed normally at the end of a fully paid session.

I regards to BP and the changes with advertising constraints, I had a long discussion about this the other day with one of the top providers. If a client asks for a discount, her answer is "Sure, what part of my service don't you want for the reduced fee?" It's a sarcastic but pointed response. I told her this is in part a result of many of the BP addicts offering QV for a much reduced rate because it's their marketing tool to drive in quick and easy money. It also doesn't help that BP no longer allows you to advertise rates so clients have to ask about the contribution. The hobbyist's looking for a deal and doesn't like the initial offering normally will respond with "Do you offer discounts" or "No thanks I am looking for something less expensive". The addicts will come back with "Ok well I will see you for X $, does that help? So all of this doesn't help the legit providers on BP.

I agree with JB, Ilapp and all the others. I think each circumstance has it's own uniqueness. My point is these are changing times because of the BP changes and the lack of good escort sites. We, hobbyists and providers, have to modify how we approach the business, ask the questions and respond to the questions. The key thing is to have respect for both the hobbyist and the provider. If a hobbyist doesn't get the hint and acts like a haggler or an asshole then be done with it and move on. If the provider starts discounting immediately, well there are many reasons for this but it's a definite red flag in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3360246]Didn't we just cover this?

1. Nobody ever paid a phone bill with a good review.

2. Why should a provider trust someone who says they will write a good review, when the person agreed to the price to be paid before walking in the door? They've already proven they can't be trusted.

3. Why should anyone pay attention to their reviews if the only determining factor is whether or not they got a discount?

4. The time to bargain is before you set the appointment. Do you go to a restaurant, order your food and then ask for a 20% discount once the food is on the table?

5. If you get a referral from someone, you are accepting responsibility for their reputation. If you're going to be an asshole, mention it to the person you're asking to refer you.

"Hey, can you do me a favor? Can you give me a referral to see provider x? She won't see me without a reference. I'm going to be a dickhead when I see her, but I'm sure you don't mind. Hello? Hello?[/QUOTE]YES we knocked on this door a couple weeks ago. Sorry Doc although I like this " alter ego " of yours I don't remember when it's been ever been part of any process. I will say personally if someone wants to start " negotiating " rates with me I simply won't schedule them. My frame of thinking is this. It's disrespectful and I find it personally offensive. You basically are telling* the " chick " (will use A2's word LOL) that* they are not worthy of their rate.

Yes I do understand that certain provided run specials and usually it's stated on their running ads.

I know for myself and I know personally a couple other providers that do offer " regular " rates for established clients.

Why this issue keeps being brought up is beyond me. . I always thought it was pretty simple. If the rate is too high for you then find someone in your price range.

I will say one more thing. If you are using a reputable member of this board's name as a reference, remember they are doing you a favor. This forum including a lot of these members are a great wealth knowledge and can be a great asset. Don't f**k it up being a dick won't get you far unless your Ilapp or FF or indyguy123 ha ha.

Do the ads on the sister site auto-repeat? Or is Sasha having her final few days for the 10th day now?

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Why mongers haggle a posted rate. I am apart of the "it's disrespectful " club. Whether its just business pleasure or whatever it is still a intimate act for monger or provider. And it's also boils down to simple economics if she is charging above the going rate based off of whatever criteria eventually she would have to adjust.

But and there's always a but haggling shouldn't be looked at as a bad thing either and I have two examples.

Say I call provider X and inquire about her rate. If I feel it's to high I thank her for her time and move on. Now if business is slow or she has an urgent expense and offers a discount or what I am willing to pay then she opened the door and I will negotiate.

Or if a provider makes unsolicited contact with me looking for business I then also feel as if she has opened the door to negotiate. I guess it just depends on the situation and if it's done respectfully.

The only way I would take a discount in return for a review is if the provider offered it and the service rated a good review.

I post this here because Indy has a higher volume of readers then up North and with a few exceptions most seem fairly insightful.

A provider here is losing regulars and wants to know what she can do to gain and retain clients? Of course I gave my opinion but I'm looking for yours.

In your opinion what would make the perfect provider experience that would have you anticipating your next visit? I'm not referring to menu let's assume that's wide open, but from the time of initial contact until you walk out the door? What are some little things that overlook that impress you or turn you on? What makes it memorable in a good way?

On the other hand, short of an absolutely horrid experience what would turn you off or keep you from returning?

This is a serious question I intend on showing her any comments minus screen names you might offer. Hopefully she and other might read this, gain a little insight and step up their game.

Since the demise of so many message board and the reliance on BP the quality of customer service has diminished greatly in the last few years. Someone needs to up start classes, Escort 101.

Thanks bobup.

[QUOTE=Bobup;3363112]I post this here because Indy has a higher volume of readers then up North and with a few exceptions most seem fairly insightful.

A provider here is losing regulars and wants to know what she can do to gain and retain clients? Of course I gave my opinion but I'm looking for yours.

In your opinion what would make the perfect provider experience that would have you anticipating your next visit? I'm not referring to menu let's assume that's wide open, but from the time of initial contact until you walk out the door? What are some little things that overlook that impress you or turn you on? What makes it memorable in a good way?

On the other hand, short of an absolutely horrid experience what would turn you off or keep you from returning?

This is a serious question I intend on showing her any comments minus screen names you might offer. Hopefully she and other might read this, gain a little insight and step up their game.

Since the demise of so many message board and the reliance on BP the quality of customer service has diminished greatly in the last few years. Someone needs to up start classes, Escort 101.

Thanks bobup.[/QUOTE]1. Connection. That's what keeps guys coming back. I'm talking about the guys who are looking for more than a hole to poke. Talk to the guys, ask about interests and things to get them talking.

A good provider is part psychiatrist. She listens to the gripes and offers support and comfort, in addition to the other services. They provide relief in more ways than one. As soon as the session is over she should take notes. Nothing incriminating or explicit, but things like "Boss won't listen to his ideas. Wife wants new furniture. " Something to remember the conversation, for the next visit.

2. Reliability. Be ready on time. Especially daytime appointments, mongers have busy schedules. Too many frustrating waits and they'll look elsewhere.

3. Presentation. Clean and neat, yourself and your space. Make him feel like you put out some extra effort for his visit. Give him a place that relaxes him, where he doesn't have to watch where he steps or worry about sticking to the furniture.

4. Make sure he leaves with a smile. This is not about the service, but the last few minutes. Make him feel like you want him to come back soon, instead of rushing him out the door.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3363138]1. Connection. That's what keeps guys coming bck. I'm talking about the guys who are looking for more than a hole to poke. Talk to the guys, ask about interests and things to get them talking.

A good provider is part psychiatrist. She listens to the gripes and offers support and comfort, in addition to the other services. They provide relief in more ways than one. As soon as the session is over she should take notes. Nothing incriminating or explicit, but things like "Boss won't listen to his ideas. Wife wants new furniture. " Something to remember the conversation, for the next visit.

2. Reliability. Be ready on time. Especially daytime appointments, mongers have busy schedules. Too many frustrating waits and they'll look elsewhere.

3. Presentation. Clean and neat, yourself and your space. Make him feel like you put out some extra effort for his visit. Give him a place that relaxes him, where he doesn't have to watch where he steps or worry about sticking to the furniture.

4. Make sure he leaves with a smile. This is not about the service, but the last few minutes. Make him feel like you want him to come back soon, instead of rushing him out the door.[/QUOTE]Well dang. Jjbee beat me to it. There has to be something that stands out. For some it might be something physical for others its service. Almost no one will turn down a great GFE session. But if she enjoys her work and enjoys me then it'll make me want to come back for more.

Dave.

[QUOTE=JimBeam555;3363420]Oh no, I believe she's an addict. Bob posted it and I knew she was on something.

But I try to post the facts. As in "what she is saying" as opposed to "what her words mean".

Her life is her business and getting my d_k blown is mine. I focus on my own stuff.

And trust me, I don't believe the majority of the stuff I hear from her or her ilk.[/QUOTE]If you do not mind seeing addicts, that is your prerogative. Just like any other monger that's your choice. I would just suggest to differentiate what she is claiming from what you know or believe to be the facts. As you said, Bob said she was a user. However, members may not look back that far and just read more recent posts. Depending on a member's reading of a post, they think it is fact. We should always post what we know and not what the providers claim or atleast clarify if it is her claim.

Sincerely Signed,
Still The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

This post is directed at a specific member. He reads but doesn't post so I won't bother mentioning a handle. This post can be a lesson or a reminder to other members if you have somehow forgot this.

A provider is the one who sets her menu. She decides what she will and won't do. If she does not provide a menu item that you want then move on to another lady who does. This is especially true with bareback. If a provider states she will not do bareback, do not repeatedly and repeatedly beg her for it. Even in the hobby there is a such thing as "no means no" and when you don't like that no and try to physically force her into it, you have crossed the line. You have now crossed the line into what can now be considered rape. If I go on with this post, I will be saying something that will cause A2 to ban me!

Sincerely Signed,
The Pissed Off Biggest Prick in the Yard.

[QUOTE=IndyGuy123;3364199]This post is directed at a specific member. He reads but doesn't post so I won't bother mentioning a handle. This post can be a lesson or a reminder to other members if you have somehow forgot this.

A provider is the one who sets her menu. She decides what she will and won't do. If she does not provide a menu item that you want then move on to another lady who does. This is especially true with bareback. If a provider states she will not do bareback, do not repeatedly and repeatedly beg her for it. Even in the hobby there is a such thing as "no means no" and when you don't like that no and try to physically force her into it, you have crossed the line. You have now crossed the line into what can now be considered rape. If I go on with this post, I will be saying something that will cause A2 to ban me!

Sincerely Signed,
The Pissed Off Biggest Prick in the Yard.[/QUOTE]I don't know and don't care who you are talking about, it is wrong. Not to mention many times it ruins things for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=MegoFast;3364428]I don't know and don't care who you are talking about, it is wrong. Not to mention many times it ruins things for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Are you fking kidding me? That is the lowest of low. I assume they wouldn't try that on a normal date but since it was a transaction they feel entitled. The Line is more than crossed its obliterated.

[QUOTE=Inboater01;3364550]Are you fking kidding me? That is the lowest of low. I assume they wouldn't try that on a normal date but since it was a transaction they feel entitled. The Line is more than crossed its obliterated.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that Megofast was agreeing with IG, although I thought the same thing when I read it.