Maybe there is hope??
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/technology/fosta-sex-trafficking-law.html[/URL]
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Maybe there is hope??
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/technology/fosta-sex-trafficking-law.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=OldManInVa;4578007]Maybe there is hope[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/technology/fosta-sex-trafficking-law.html[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://theunionjournal.com/stamping-out-online-sex-trafficking-may-have-pushed-it-underground/[/URL]
[QUOTE=OldManInVa;4578007]Maybe there is hope??
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/technology/fosta-sex-trafficking-law.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The article says supporters say "They note that no site has cropped up to replace Backpage" Excuse me? How stupid are these people? Or blind?
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4579353]The article says supporters say "They note that no site has cropped up to replace Backpage" Excuse me? How stupid are these people? Or blind?[/QUOTE]Hopefully, it'll remain that way indefinitely.
[URL]https://reason.com/2020/02/02/massage-parlor-panic/[/URL]
I posted this in the Baltimore forum, but I figured it's worth sharing here as well.
[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4650066][URL]https://reason.com/2020/02/02/massage-parlor-panic/[/URL]
I posted this in the Baltimore forum, but I figured it's worth sharing here as well.[/QUOTE]It's a long recital of things that have been discussed many times in the forum. Namely, that politicians and LE and organizations like Polaris Project have labeled pretty much everything as "trafficking" because it serves their various agendas. It points out that AMPs are easy targets and are disproportionately affected. I'm sure the author felt better after writing it but it doesn't change anything and doesn't really add much to the discussion. I was reading it in hopes of something new or interesting, but it wasn't there.
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — A Florida appeals court ruled Wednesday that police violated the rights of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and others when they secretly video recorded them paying for massage parlor sex acts, barring the tapes' use at trial and dealing a potentially deadly blow to their prosecution.
The state 4th District Court of Appeal ruled Kraft's rights were violated under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures.
"The type of law enforcement surveillance utilized in these cases is extreme. While there will be situations which may warrant the use of the techniques at issue, the strict Fourth Amendment safeguards developed over the past few decades must be observed," the judges ruled.
"To permit otherwise would yield unbridled discretion to agents of law enforcement and the government, the antithesis of the constitutional liberty of people to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures," the court added.
Prosecutors will likely appeal the ruling to the state Supreme Court, but if it stands the misdemeanor charges brought against Kraft and other customers would have to be dropped for lack of evidence.
[QUOTE=RockSwithSalt;4936878]FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. A Florida appeals court ruled Wednesday that police violated the rights of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and others when they secretly video recorded them paying for massage parlor sex acts, barring the tapes' use at trial and dealing a potentially deadly blow to their prosecution.
The state 4th District Court of Appeal ruled Kraft's rights were violated under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures.
"The type of law enforcement surveillance utilized in these cases is extreme. While there will be situations which may warrant the use of the techniques at issue, the strict Fourth Amendment safeguards developed over the past few decades must be observed," the judges ruled.
"To permit otherwise would yield unbridled discretion to agents of law enforcement and the government, the antithesis of the constitutional liberty of people to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures," the court added.
Prosecutors will likely appeal the ruling to the state Supreme Court, but if it stands the misdemeanor charges brought against Kraft and other customers would have to be dropped for lack of evidence.[/QUOTE]If Kraft wins and survives the appeals in the state Supreme Court, will the other defendants cases automatically receive the same consideration? Or do they need to pursue the same legal avenues each separately? Also, what about the poor saps that plead out or no contest?
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9001471/Ex-girlfriend-sugar-daddy-lawyer-reveals-lusted-Claudia-Conway.html[/URL]
This is a couple weeks old now and some might know about it, but for those that don't pay attention to those "18-19" y / o who may not be legal. This guy was a scumbag of course, but the point is some of the younger ones on the site are actually under the legal limit.
I've had to check I'd several times. One girl I met turned 18 3 days prior to us meeting. I had an Asian girl so hot, but I wasn't sure about her age. I asked for I'd and she couldn't provide any and had lame excuses. I took her home and not the hotel. Got to be smart. The website should make females provide proof of age before joining. Always remember it's not worth the trouble. Think what the big head.
[QUOTE=FogHorn1;5098638][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9001471/Ex-girlfriend-sugar-daddy-lawyer-reveals-lusted-Claudia-Conway.html[/URL]
This is a couple weeks old now and some might know about it, but for those that don't pay attention to those "18-19" y / o who may not be legal. This guy was a scumbag of course, but the point is some of the younger ones on the site are actually under the legal limit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FogHorn1;5098638][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9001471/Ex-girlfriend-sugar-daddy-lawyer-reveals-lusted-Claudia-Conway.html[/URL]
This is a couple weeks old now and some might know about it, but for those that don't pay attention to those "18-19" y / o who may not be legal. This guy was a scumbag of course, but the point is some of the younger ones on the site are actually under the legal limit.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but after reading this article I sympathize with the guy here. Remember these girls were on seeking advertising as 18 year olds. Only after the fact the deed was done and he trusted them that they revealed their true age. Obv they wanted more money and he said no. They went to the cops at that point. Seeking is too high of stakes to get railed.
[URL]https://thecovidblog.com/2021/04/19/vaers-two-year-old-baby-in-virginia-dead-six-days-after-second-pfizer-shot/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/dKgLl1BsIXzW/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mpduration;5315180][URL]https://thecovidblog.com/2021/04/19/vaers-two-year-old-baby-in-virginia-dead-six-days-after-second-pfizer-shot/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/dKgLl1BsIXzW/[/URL][/QUOTE]Friends,
I do not know what Mpduration's agenda may be, but please be aware that he is passing off fake news with these links. Look up Bitchute and thecovid blog, and you will see the disreputable nature of these sites. "Bitchute is a video hosting service known for accomodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful content. " (Wikipedia). The "mainstream media" is all over the story of the extremely small risk of clotting from the J&J vaccine. They would be happy to sell the clicks to a story about a baby dying from a COVID vaccine. But it ain't true. Does anyone recall that the FDA has not approved the vaccine (yet) for anyone younger than 16?
I am over 60. I just received my second shot of the Pfizer vaccine. Yes, the allegedly terrible, awful, going-to-screw-me-up mRNA vaccine. I am grateful that the research to develop a vaccine started immediately in January 2020, with financial support from the previous administration, and has now come to fruition and wide distribution with the current administration. Science rocks. I look forward to soon being able to move around without fear of the risks from catching this virus. (Yes, I'd probably survive, but I'm happy not to have to take that risk.).
Mpuration is at the least misguided by the rabbit-hole web sites that he seems to follow. I wonder what he / she is afraid of? Why do you feel threatened by these vaccines, which are truly amazing for their potential to save lives and prevent the pain and suffering and death of hundreds, thousands, millions of people in the US and around the world?
Mpduration: why do you post two links, with no comment? Take ownership if you truly believe it. Own it. Defend it. Prove it.
And if you won't and can't, then keep to yourself, and do not hurt others. Do you have the integrity to do that?
Lucretius.
[QUOTE=Mpduration;5315180][URL]https://thecovidblog.com/2021/04/19/vaers-two-year-old-baby-in-virginia-dead-six-days-after-second-pfizer-shot/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/dKgLl1BsIXzW/[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/two-year-old-virginia-die-vaccine/[/URL]
Under the age of 16 are not eligible for vaccine -- no medical provider is going to inject any of the covid-vaccines into so young a child. The health industry has only just started small scale testing with teen age volunteers.
SEE SNOPES: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/two-year-old-virginia-die-vaccine/
One of the URLs activate a website that attempted to attack my PC / load a computer virus (my system blocked the attempt).
[QUOTE=Mpduration;5315180] /vaers-two-year-old-baby-in-virginia-dead-six-days-after-second-pfizer-shot/[
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[QUOTE=PilotAviator;5315433]Under the age of 16 are not eligible for vaccine -- no medical provider is going to inject any of the covid-vaccines into so young a child. The health industry has only just started small scale testing with teen age volunteers.
SEE SNOPES: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/two-year-old-virginia-die-vaccine/
One of the URLs activate a website that attempted to attack my PC / load a computer virus (my system blocked the attempt).[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mpduration;5315554][URL]https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php[/URL][/QUOTE]You probably believe in Qanon as well?
The below posts just debunked your "facts", and you still don't get it.
"Did a 2-Year-Old in Virginia Die After Getting COVID-19 Vaccination?
The claim is based solely on a dubious report from the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, a database that anyone can submit reports to that is frequently abused by anti-vaccine activists".
Give your brain a rest and stay off a bitchute too.
“Bitchute: Hate speech. Neo-Nazi propaganda. Anti-Semitic QAnon conspiracy theories. Even terrorism. It's all there. And the platform keeps growing.”
The Guardian: Are police the biggest threat to massage parlor workers' safety?.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/23/massage-parlor-workers-police-threat-safety[/URL]
[URL]https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mpduration;5319166][URL]https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Posted on [URL]https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html[/URL].
VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to VAERS. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.
The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA's multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as "safety signals. " If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.
Key considerations and limitations of data:
Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
Data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
Data data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.
[QUOTE=Miketastic69;4945121]If Kraft wins and survives the appeals in the state Supreme Court, will the other defendants cases automatically receive the same consideration? Or do they need to pursue the same legal avenues each separately? Also, what about the poor saps that plead out or no contest?[/QUOTE]You're pretty much fucked. That's why no matter the case you always keep your mouth shut. I imagine the video surveillance would be thrown out on all of the defendants not just Kraft as it is 100% illegally obtained evidence. It's very difficult to prove illicit services that occur at a massage parlor, even when you're caught mid act as there's ultimately a ton of ways to spin things in your favor under the court of law as long as you adamantly deny you paid money for sexual services. This is why cops will always lie to you and try the "friendly" approach where they say they'll reduce your charges or went press charges at all as long as you admit to them why you went to the massage parlor. Cops aren't your friend, and they want you to admit guilt because of how difficult it is to actually win this case in court.
Funny story that one of my old ATFs told me during her tenure working at an AMP. She once got caught by a police raid mid HJ, totally topless. The client kept his mouth shut and when the police tried to arrest her and take her to court. She told them that her shirt had accidentally come off during the massage and it was simply a case of poor and unfortunate timing when the police came into the room. Because this took place in the dark she said what the officer saw in the room was misinterpreted as the client was just helping her to put her shirt back on.
She won that case and no further charges were ever pursued. Again, it's extremely difficult to PROVE either scenario so always always always deny and keep your mouth shut.
[QUOTE=GripNSip;5319642]Funny story that one of my old ATFs told me during her tenure working at an AMP. She once got caught by a police raid mid HJ, totally topless. The client kept his mouth shut and when the police tried to arrest her and take her to court. She told them that her shirt had accidentally come off during the massage and it was simply a case of poor and unfortunate timing when the police came into the room. Because this took place in the dark she said what the officer saw in the room was misinterpreted as the client was just helping her to put her shirt back on.
She won that case and no further charges were ever pursued. Again, it's extremely difficult to PROVE either scenario so always always always deny and keep your mouth shut.[/QUOTE]That's a ridiculous story to actually stick. LOL!
[URL]https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html[/URL]
Only 13 cases so far. Previous week it was 10.
[QUOTE=Mpduration;5320423][URL]https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html[/URL]Only 13 cases so far. Previous week it was 10.[/QUOTE]With 100 million vaccinated it is a surprise that only 13 cases of reported ED. The early vaccinated is heavily skewed to over 65 and studies have shown that 70% of males over 70 will experience some form of ED.
If the data is correct the vaccine prevents ED. Can I get another dose please?
[URL]https://www.arlnow.com/2021/04/29/federal-grand-jury-charges-arlington-lawyer-with-paying-underage-girls-for-sex/[/URL]
The scary thing is that he "likely knew." What if they told him they were 18? I guess we need to check IDs.
[QUOTE=Tophat31;5327544][URL]https://www.arlnow.com/2021/04/29/federal-grand-jury-charges-arlington-lawyer-with-paying-underage-girls-for-sex/[/URL]
The scary thing is that he "likely knew." What if they told him they were 18? I guess we need to check IDs.[/QUOTE]I heard about that on a local radio station. I don't play at SA or similar sites and can't afford "sugar daddy" prices, but this reminds all mongers about being careful out there when hobbying.
[QUOTE=Tophat31;5327544][URL]https://www.arlnow.com/2021/04/29/federal-grand-jury-charges-arlington-lawyer-with-paying-underage-girls-for-sex/[/URL]
The scary thing is that he "likely knew." What if they told him they were 18? I guess we need to check IDs.[/QUOTE]Part of the report says he even posed as 18-19 himself so I am betting he very well knew what he was doing and how old the girls were.
[QUOTE=Almel89;5348063]Once the tight ass moralistic boomers die out the push for legalization will prolly start.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/nyregion/manhattan-to-stop-prosecuting-prostitution.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Almel89;5348063]Once the tight ass moralistic boomers die out the push for legalization will prolly start.[/QUOTE]Do-gooders who label all sex for pay as "human trafficking," regardless of whether any actual human trafficking is occurring, have emerged as the primary forces against legalization. We'll see what the courts do.
I once thought it was a matter of time before laws against prostitution were struck down after the United States Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage six years ago. After all, that seemed like the next logical step. Today I'm not so sure. District attorneys choosing not to prosecute prostitution cases is a small step, but that still doesn't stop our least favorite uncle from making arrests and ruining people's lives.
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;5348577]Do-gooders who label all sex for pay as "human trafficking," regardless of whether any actual human trafficking is occurring, have emerged as the primary forces against legalization. We'll see what the courts do.
I once thought it was a matter of time before laws against prostitution were struck down after the United States Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage six years ago. After all, that seemed like the next logical step. Today I'm not so sure. District attorneys choosing not to prosecute prostitution cases is a small step, but that still doesn't stop our least favorite uncle from making arrests and ruining people's lives.[/QUOTE]It's all about low hanging fruit, Police patrol low income areas and arrest people on minor offenses to rack up fines and demonstrate to the "Good" people that their tax dollars are making a difference. They set up prostitution stings for the same reason. Results mean an easier time getting budget requests. Same with Civil forfeiture and officers dedicated to speed traps all in the interest of "Public Safety" when it is really about the money. As far as ruining lives, posting mugshots of Johns in a sting for a misdemeanor offense serves no benefit but to embarrass and intimidate.
RBD out.
[URL]https://www.wect.com/2021/06/22/six-arrests-indictments-made-alleged-illicit-massage-parlor-operation/[/URL]
Stay Safe out there!!
[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5412677][URL]https://www.wect.com/2021/06/22/six-arrests-indictments-made-alleged-illicit-massage-parlor-operation/[/URL]
Stay Safe out there!![/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, but that would be much more useful to mongers heading to eastern North Carolina than mongers in this area. Still, this reminds us we always need to be vigilant when visiting our favorite AMP's and other places.
[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5412677][URL]https://www.wect.com/2021/06/22/six-arrests-indictments-made-alleged-illicit-massage-parlor-operation/[/URL]
Stay Safe out there!![/QUOTE]Can you believe this?
"During the investigation, officers traffic stops on customers who were leaving the businesses and some admitted to receiving sexual services from the massage parlors".
[URL]https://www.live5news.com/2021/06/22/two-little-river-women-accused-illicit-massage-parlor-operation-nc/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Volvo245;5413413]Can you believe this?
"During the investigation, officers traffic stops on customers who were leaving the businesses and some admitted to receiving sexual services from the massage parlors".
[URL]https://www.live5news.com/2021/06/22/two-little-river-women-accused-illicit-massage-parlor-operation-nc/[/URL][/QUOTE]First rule is to always keep your mouth shut. Unless you're being detained, you don't have to answer any questions. They can't prove what you were doing there unless they have cameras set up, which is illegal.
[QUOTE=FloorHump422;5414586]First rule is to always keep your mouth shut. Unless you're being detained, you don't have to answer any questions. They can't prove what you were doing there unless they have cameras set up, which is illegal.[/QUOTE]Even if you're being detained.
The Pot Brothers at Law explain the script with their "Shut the fuck up Friday" tip of the day.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6tfEZI54Jg[/URL]
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;5413282]Thanks for the info, but that would be much more useful to mongers heading to eastern North Carolina than mongers in this area. Still, this reminds us we always need to be vigilant when visiting our favorite AMP's and other places.[/QUOTE]I posted under Va. Beach a few days ago, you have to remember owners own more than one spa, and in different states, keep head on swivel.
Some readings you guys probably would like to see.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trafficking-victim-made-sex-cops-200105377.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Ottotot;5596948]Some readings you guys probably would like to see.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trafficking-victim-made-sex-cops-200105377.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow. Fairfax County Police? That's fucked. Also makes me wonder how many stings Fairfax has going on right now. Maybe I'll just stick with agencies now.
[QUOTE=Delee1234;5597286]Wow. Fairfax County Police? That's fucked. Also makes me wonder how many stings Fairfax has going on right now. Maybe I'll just stick with agencies now.[/QUOTE]This was an actual abusive trafficking operation, where the women were lured from Costa Rica with promises of legit work, then shown pictures of their children back home and warned that they'd be harmed if the women didn't work for them. They'd hold the women's passports to keep them from leaving.
The woman running the operation was named Hazel Marie Sanchez Cerdas, and went by "Andrea. " She and her husband made hundreds of thousands of dollars in Nova alone, and kept nearly all of it. They also ran or worked with operations in Tampa, New York, and other cities, so this no doubt involved millions of dollars and dozens of actual victims.
I wonder which Fairfax condo this was, and hope I didn't go to any of their locations. Anyone recognize details of which outfit this was?
Here's the FBI affidavit for the criminal complaint, detailing the operation.
[URL]https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/15966288/2/united-states-v-sanchez-cerdas/[/URL]
The sad part is that this is someone who actually used threats and fear to intimidate women, and she barely did two years in prison. Meanwhile, the cops arrest people seeking to engage in consensual activity, announce "anti-trafficking arrests," and the media unquestioningly reports it.
[QUOTE=Delee1234;5597286]Wow. Fairfax County Police? That's fucked. Also makes me wonder how many stings Fairfax has going on right now. Maybe I'll just stick with agencies now.[/QUOTE]Indeed I wonder how many stings Fairfax County police are carrying out. I also wonder if the evidence from those stings could potentially be ruled inadmissible if investigators confirm cops had sex with females suspected of being trafficking victims.
I can't recall ever having visited Hispanic providers in apartments and condos around Fairfax. However, I've paid plenty of visits to Asian crapshoot providers as well as the Asian MILF's who worked in Northern Virginia a few years back. I also once visited the infamous Clifton farmhouse. I hope and pray none of those providers were trafficked against their will.