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[QUOTE=MotorboatJones;3954773]This reminds me of Nicole's signature move. After you bust in the jacket, she rips it off and swirls her tongue and sucks the rest out of the head. Made me feel like a crawfish.[/QUOTE]LOL. After these girls do their signature moves like Nintendo characters, I could almost speak to them in a grizzled Mortal Kombat voice FLAWLESS VICTORY!
[QUOTE=AssLover77;3951529][URL]http://tucson.sugarnights.com/escorts/tucsons-redheaded-sweetheart-520-288-4809[/URL]
I e-mail Sage, and booked an incall appointment a few days later. I knocked on her door, and she greeted me like an old friend.
I took a shower, and dropped onto the bed, as we caught up on the past few months. I enjoyed DFK, and biting her neck and FIV, then went down for some DATY and DATO. The mirrors she has magnifies the fun, as I saw her legs bent back while I shoved my tongue into her asshole.
Aside from having a great body, Sage does really well on providing vocals during the session (louder, but nothing fake). I put on a condom and fucked her in mish for a while, holding onto those long legs and looking at her pretty face.
I turned her onto K9 and enjoyed slapping her ass a few times, and pushing a few thrusts deeply into her (then holding it all the way in). I enjoyed this for a few minutes and decided to come here.
Sage and I chatted some more, then right near the end of our time, we went again with BBBJ and FIV / FIA and I came all over her beautiful chest.
I highly recommend Sage.[/QUOTE]Damage? 10 char.
Hearing a lot of noise / negative rumors about cateyes latina. Anybody have a bad experience? Pm please.
[QUOTE=DkPersonal;3957264]Damage? 10 char.[/QUOTE]Time with sage will run you a minimum of 3 bills.
Anyone know if Linda (xxx-8535) is still around? Tried a couple times but no response. PM any info please.
I love checking out the ads as some of the posts are HAF! But it seems things are either slow in Penn. Or they sent a fuckbus of girls out here to play. LOL.
That or it's a sorority rush.
I saw the rates on this one. I won't be contacting her. Maybe someone here has experience and can say if she's worth it.
[URL]https://araliahunt.wixsite.com/xoxo[/URL]
[QUOTE=IkkyuSojunn;3961897]Hearing a lot of noise / negative rumors about cateyes latina. Anybody have a bad experience? Pm please.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IkkyuSojunn;3961897]Hearing a lot of noise / negative rumors about cateyes latina. Anybody have a bad experience? Pm please.[/QUOTE]Had seen the ads and finally thought I'd give her a try. Nice enough gal, albeit she's rather built on a Frankenbabe chassis with lots of things bolted on, a few of which make you think "What the. ?" Meets you at the door with a hug and a kiss which becomes LFK whinch bdcomes DFK which becomes an attempt at a tonsillectomy with her tongue. Moved to her room, got comfy and she pushed you onto the bed saying "you're mine now! Starts off displaying her oral talent slow and soft. Lots of teasing. Then, after a minute or do, she almost violently swallows you whole (swear I thought she brushed my belly with her nose! Some fast, slightly rough more oral when she wants her kitty pleased. Ok. Nice enough til she starts pulling on your hair to the point you feel your teeth bending in. A very vocal O later and she's wanting to be ridden. She has very intense eyes 👀 that she keeps WIDE open with an almost unblinking stare. Like I said, nice enough, but don't know if I need to be ridden hard and put up wet too often! Then again, maybe you're ready to Cowboy Up!
[QUOTE=Ternymph;3962302]Anyone know if Linda is still around? Tried a couple times but no response. PM any info please.[/QUOTE]Yes please do share her contact info if it has changed, Haven't seen her since BP went down.
[QUOTE=Tanko;3962583]I saw the rates on this one. I won't be contacting her. Maybe someone here has experience and can say if she's worth it.
[URL]https://araliahunt.wixsite.com/xoxo[/URL][/QUOTE]At first glance I thought this was a scam since she didn't have a phone number, asks for 100 up front, (before you even meet) to reserve the scheduled time, asks for employment instead of references, (maybe some blackmail involved) is not attractive at all, (she has a fucking mullet for gods sake!) and has hairy pits in a lot of pics online. [URL]https://twitter.com/araliahunt?lang=en[/URL] There is no fucking way I would even see this woman let alone pay that rate for her. After further digging though, she is definitely legit. So if she is your type and you are willing to pay the entry fee then more power to ya.
In my experience, providers that have their own website usually post outrageous rates, but the actual rate they advertise is much lower. For example, here is an ad where she is asking 150 less for the hour, 200 less for 90 minutes, 250 less for 2 hours, etc.
[URL]https://mycityafterdark.com/blog/listing/aralia-hunt/[/URL]
While I have no problem paying outrageous amounts of money to spend some quality time with an extremely gorgeous woman who is highly skilled and provides a more intimate and pleasurable session and have spent over 1,000 an hour for providers before (worth every penny!) this provider is just not my cup of tea.
ILH.
[QUOTE=Ternymph;3962302]Anyone know if Linda (xxx-8535) is still around? Tried a couple times but no response. PM any info please.[/QUOTE]I heard she had a bunch of drama and dropped out of the scene for a while. The old number is no longer valid, but I did get her new number from another Senior Member and contacted her a couple months ago. She said she was out of the game, but would let me know when she decides to get back into it. I texted about a month ago to see if that was still the case and she went off on me telling me never to contact her again and threatened to involve Uncle LEO. I have not tried to contact her since.
ILH.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3963283]At first glance I thought this was a scam since she didn't have a phone number, asks for 100 up front, (before you even meet) to reserve the scheduled time, asks for employment instead of references, (maybe some blackmail involved) is not attractive at all, (she has a fucking mullet for gods sake!) and has hairy pits in a lot of pics online. [URL]https://twitter.com/araliahunt?lang=en[/URL] There is no fucking way I would even see this woman let alone pay that rate for her. After further digging though, she is definitely legit. So if she is your type and you are willing to pay the entry fee then more power to ya.
In my experience, providers that have their own website usually post outrageous rates, but the actual rate they advertise is much lower. For example, here is an ad where she is asking 150 less for the hour, 200 less for 90 minutes, 250 less for 2 hours, etc.
[URL]https://mycityafterdark.com/blog/listing/aralia-hunt/[/URL]
While I have no problem paying outrageous amounts of money to spend some quality time with an extremely gorgeous woman who is highly skilled and provides a more intimate and pleasurable session and have spent over 1,000 an hour for providers before (worth every penny!) this provider is just not my cup of tea.
ILH.[/QUOTE]It'd have to be lonely night and six-pack before I resort to hairy pits & mullets at 5 hundo / hr LOL.
I've never had any problems with her. The session Amorist described is her basic deal. That's how it goes and while it may not be for everyone, I kind of like it. Fake tits don't bother me so much but the fake ass isn't really my thing.
Sadly, she's the only provider on the southwest side so I can either take a drive and gamble on a good time or I can see her in 15 minutes and know exactly what to expect. Things will end well, guaranteed.
[QUOTE=IkkyuSojunn;3961897]Hearing a lot of noise / negative rumors about cateyes latina. Anybody have a bad experience? Pm please.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheLadysMan;3962253]Time with sage will run you a minimum of 3 bills.[/QUOTE]Does she not offer half hour anymore?
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3963686]Does she not offer half hour anymore?[/QUOTE]Sage does offer 1/2 hr for 200. But only for repeat clients. I saw her a few weeks ago and she was offering a one hour for 250 special because things have been slower since fosta / sesta bull crap. I a not sure if the special is still active, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Oh yes. I tipped her 50 and made it a even 300 because she is sooooooo good.
Anyone seen Isabelle Passion?
And it's nice to see correcting of rates a little. They kept climbing and I'm not sure if it's because the business is slow but some were getting ridiculous. Especially with longer appointments it was getting steep. Should be less because they have less risk and less turn over. Oh well what do I know about business.
[URL]https://isabellepassion.com[/URL]
Anyone know what happened to her? Seems to have dropped off the planet. I know she wasn't a looker but she was a freak.
[QUOTE=TManus;3964081]Anyone know what happened to her? Seems to have dropped off the planet. I know she wasn't a looker but she was a freak.[/QUOTE]You have to be more specific than that. I can recall a few ugly Stacey's in the last few years. The two that come to mind are the one that looked like an ugly, older, fatter Thelma, (from Scooby Doo) and the old ugly blonde that posted she had plenty of parking space for big rigs. Not sure if she meant in her pussy or her driveway, but I guess she had a thing for truckers, (or trucks).
ILH.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3964338]You have to be more specific than that. I can recall a few ugly Stacey's in the last few years. The two that come to mind are the one that looked like an ugly, older, fatter Thelma, (from Scooby Doo) and the old ugly blonde that posted she had plenty of parking space for big rigs. Not sure if she meant in her pussy or her driveway, but I guess she had a thing for truckers, (or trucks).
ILH.[/QUOTE]Sorry.
The Velma looking one.
I took a look at the website. She tours Boston and San Francisco so that might help explain some of the high cost. But I agree she's not attractive or sexy to my eyes even at Tucson rates; and I'm no fan of tattoos. She would starve if she operated in Tucson. Although she would only need a couple of clients a month to survive. Haha.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3963283]At first glance I thought this was a scam since she didn't have a phone number, asks for 100 up front, (before you even meet) to reserve the scheduled time, asks for employment instead of references, (maybe some blackmail involved) is not attractive at all, (she has a fucking mullet for gods sake!) and has hairy pits in a lot of pics online. [URL]https://twitter.com/araliahunt?lang=en[/URL] There is no fucking way I would even see this woman let alone pay that rate for her. After further digging though, she is definitely legit. So if she is your type and you are willing to pay the entry fee then more power to ya.
In my experience, providers that have their own website usually post outrageous rates, but the actual rate they advertise is much lower. For example, here is an ad where she is asking 150 less for the hour, 200 less for 90 minutes, 250 less for 2 hours, etc.
[URL]https://mycityafterdark.com/blog/listing/aralia-hunt/[/URL]
While I have no problem paying outrageous amounts of money to spend some quality time with an extremely gorgeous woman who is highly skilled and provides a more intimate and pleasurable session and have spent over 1,000 an hour for providers before (worth every penny!) this provider is just not my cup of tea.
ILH.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3964338]You have to be more specific than that. I can recall a few ugly Stacey's in the last few years. The two that come to mind are the one that looked like an ugly, older, fatter Thelma, (from Scooby Doo) and the old ugly blonde that posted she had plenty of parking space for big rigs. Not sure if she meant in her pussy or her driveway, but I guess she had a thing for truckers, (or trucks).
ILH.[/QUOTE]She was a trucker herself that took on a second job.
[QUOTE=DoingOurDuty;3964880]I took a look at the website. She tours Boston and San Francisco so that might help explain some of the high cost. But I agree she's not attractive or sexy to my eyes even at Tucson rates; and I'm no fan of tattoos. She would starve if she operated in Tucson. Although she would only need a couple of clients a month to survive. Haha.[/QUOTE]San Francisco is pretty high for escorts, (SW's are even asking for 100 and up) and Boston is one the the most expensive place I have ever seen for escorts, (I would expect this in NY, the DC area and CA, but not sure why Boston is so high), but she is stationed right her in Tucson. Usually providers will post different travel rates for the different cities they plan to hit, but she just has one rate posted so I assume that is her Tucson rate as well. Like I posted previously, she probably posts much lower rates in her ads and you will probably get that lower rate if you contacted her and asked her rate, but she will probably still be in the 300 range in Tucson, (give or take) and that rate should be reserved for the best of the best. I'm talking gorgeous women with perfect bodies that are well reviewed and well known in the hobby. The kind of provider that makes you forget that you just spend a lot of money for her time. Since I have never seen her, I cannot comment on her skill level, but she is definitely not the best of the best in appearance and for that she should not be over 200 or 220 an hour tops.
[QUOTE=TManus;3964594]Sorry.
The Velma looking one.[/QUOTE]I remember she was getting great reviews here for a while and apparently gave an amazing BBBJ with CIM. I almost talked myself into a visit, (since I Luv Head) but I just couldn't because looks are a huge part of the whole experience for me and I could not get past hers. Either way, I vaguely remember that she started getting bad reviews and I believe she may have ripped someone off, (not 100% sure on that) and then I heard nothing after that. That's really all I can offer, but others on here can probably give you a better report of what happened to her or if she is still in the game or not.
Good luck,
ILH.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3965441]I remember she was getting great reviews here for a while and apparently gave an amazing BBBJ with CIM. I almost talked myself into a visit, (since I Luv Head) but I just couldn't because looks are a huge part of the whole experience for me and I could not get past hers. Either way, I vaguely remember that she started getting bad reviews and I believe she may have ripped someone off, (not 100% sure on that) and then I heard nothing after that. That's really all I can offer, but others on here can probably give you a better report of what happened to her or if she is still in the game or not.
Good luck,
ILH.[/QUOTE]Ok.
I have seen Stacie for about 4 years as my go to gal for bbbjcimws every time. Is she pretty. No. Is she nice. Very much so. I have seen her as much as 3 x a week. She charges me twenty bucks each time. Have I lowered my standards Hell Yes! If want quality I see Lorieli or Sasha or when she was in business. The Asian with big bolt one's. Forgot her name.
Anyway.
Saw Stacie about two weeks ago around first ave. And river road.
I have texted her many times and no return. I really think she's in jail.
She bounces around from house to house.
She is a nice person.
Ugly.
But sweet.
If you want to but two or three times be tottaly drained.
No penetration no dfk. No lfk. Just be completely empty. For a twenty.
She's your gal.
No chit chat. Just bbbjcimws. Ask her to hum the national anthem while doing so. Its a Gas.
I salute her every time.
[QUOTE=Arizona123;3966334]Ok.
I have seen Stacie for about 4 years as my go to gal for bbbjcimws every time. Is she pretty. No. Is she nice. Very much so. I have seen her as much as 3 x a week. She charges me twenty bucks each time. Have I lowered my standards Hell Yes! If want quality I see Lorieli or Sasha or when she was in business. The Asian with big bolt one's. Forgot her name.
Anyway.
Saw Stacie about two weeks ago around first ave. And river road.
I have texted her many times and no return. I really think she's in jail.
She bounces around from house to house.
She is a nice person.
Ugly.
But sweet..[/QUOTE]Honestly her looks keep me going back, yeah it's weird but who doesn't like weird now and again?
I'll have to keep my ear to the ground in case she pops up again, maybe I'll swing by that area. Or find another older provider.
[QUOTE=Arizona123;3966334]Ok.
I have seen Stacie for about 4 years as my go to gal for bbbjcimws every time. Is she pretty. No. Is she nice. Very much so. I have seen her as much as 3 x a week. She charges me twenty bucks each time. Have I lowered my standards Hell Yes! If want quality I see Lorieli or Sasha or when she was in business. The Asian with big bolt one's. Forgot her name.
Anyway.
Saw Stacie about two weeks ago around first ave. And river road.
I have texted her many times and no return. I really think she's in jail.
She bounces around from house to house.
She is a nice person.
Ugly.
But sweet.
If you want to but two or three times be tottaly drained.
No penetration no dfk. No lfk. Just be completely empty. For a twenty.
She's your gal.
No chit chat. Just bbbjcimws. Ask her to hum the national anthem while doing so. Its a Gas.
I salute her every time.[/QUOTE]Even mutts need a bone once in a while. You're like the Humane Society for providers. The funny thing is some of my best times have come from chicks like this, so I totally understand the logic where you're coming from (no pun intended).
I think Sasha is hiding or retired.
Last time I saw her she was a little paranoid, worried about people, things.
Anyone talk or see her recently?
[QUOTE=Tanko;3967156]Even mutts need a bone once in a while. You're like the Humane Society for providers. The funny thing is some of my best times have come from chicks like this, so I totally understand the logic where you're coming from (no pun intended).[/QUOTE]Thanks for understanding. You are right on point. When you want the total GFE. You go with quality providers. But when you just want to just bust a nut. She's perfect.
It's like going to the quarter car wash just to rinse off cheap. And sometimes you need to get a complete detail.
[QUOTE=JonnyMaster;3967270]I think Sasha is hiding or retired.
Last time I saw her she was a little paranoid, worried about people, things.
Anyone talk or see her recently?[/QUOTE]I saw here about two months ago. She had me wait over a hour before she opened the door. When she did open up she had me remove my shoes. For whatever reason. The place was trashed. What a hoarder. Junk everywhere. She had me give her the donation. Left the room never came back. As I waited I saw pretty good size rats run under her chair not to mention dog crap everywhere. I put my shoes back on got in my car and left. About a hour later she text me and asked where did I go and that she had passed out. I asked about rescheduling or a refund. Not going to happen. What a waste of a Franklin. Her place is a Death Trap. She is messed up and her boobs are fake. Your better off having Stacie for a Twenty with personality than this person. Just my opinion. Took one for the Team. If you see her. Run as fast as you can. Just saying!
[QUOTE=Arizona123;3968760]I saw here about two months ago. She had me wait over a hour before she opened the door. When she did open up she had me remove my shoes. For whatever reason. The place was trashed. What a hoarder. Junk everywhere. She had me give her the donation. Left the room never came back. As I waited I saw pretty good size rats run under her chair not to mention dog crap everywhere. I put my shoes back on got in my car and left. About a hour later she text me and asked where did I go and that she had passed out. I asked about rescheduling or a refund. Not going to happen. What a waste of a Franklin. Her place is a Death Trap. She is messed up and her boobs are fake. Your better off having Stacie for a Twenty with personality than this person. Just my opinion. Took one for the Team. If you see her. Run as fast as you can. Just saying![/QUOTE]Although I have never heard fake boobs used as a negative, I agree totally that Sasha is a waste of time and has been for a while now. I stopped seeing her several months ago after a very similar thing happened to me, (minus the loss of money). I do not agree with Stacie being any better though. If it was a choice between the two, I would just rub one out and save myself time, gas and money. Thank god we still have much better choices!
ILH.
[QUOTE=Arizona123;3968760]I saw here about two months ago. She had me wait over a hour before she opened the door. When she did open up she had me remove my shoes. For whatever reason. The place was trashed. What a hoarder. Junk everywhere. She had me give her the donation. Left the room never came back. As I waited I saw pretty good size rats run under her chair not to mention dog crap everywhere. I put my shoes back on got in my car and left. About a hour later she text me and asked where did I go and that she had passed out. I asked about rescheduling or a refund. Not going to happen. What a waste of a Franklin. Her place is a Death Trap. She is messed up and her boobs are fake. Your better off having Stacie for a Twenty with personality than this person. Just my opinion. Took one for the Team. If you see her. Run as fast as you can. Just saying![/QUOTE]I tried her as incall years ago. She gave me the runaround for 4 hours, then wanted me to come and pick her up. Then she had the nerve to be mad when I wouldn't give her a ride.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3969134]Although I have never heard fake boobs used as a negative, I agree totally that Sasha is a waste of time and has been for a while now. I stopped seeing her several months ago after a very similar thing happened to me, (minus the loss of money). I do not agree with Stacie being any better though. If it was a choice between the two, I would just rub one out and save myself time, gas and money. Thank god we still have much better choices!
ILH.[/QUOTE]You know. I have to say I totally agree better off doiingb.
Yourself.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3969134]Although I have never heard fake boobs used as a negative, I agree totally that Sasha is a waste of time and has been for a while now. I stopped seeing her several months ago after a very similar thing happened to me, (minus the loss of money). I do not agree with Stacie being any better though. If it was a choice between the two, I would just rub one out and save myself time, gas and money. Thank god we still have much better choices!
ILH.[/QUOTE]I must be lucky, but I have seen Sasha quite a few times over the years, from a place over on the NW side of town without bedroom doors, to a spot close to down town, on the west side of the freeway. It was usually a good time, I never had to wait around, I had never seen any dogs or rat (really? But I could see how she could be flaky sometimes as I think she might not be sober all the time.
But after reading the reviews from you guys, especially the review about seeing rat. I think I might just have to take this one off my list. It's a shame though. But I'm scared of rats, and what can potentially come along with them. I'm glad we have a forum like this.
[QUOTE=Hobbiest420;3969597]I must be lucky, but I have seen Sasha quite a few times over the years, from a place over on the NW side of town without bedroom doors, to a spot close to down town, on the west side of the freeway. It was usually a good time, I never had to wait around, I had never seen any dogs or rat (really? But I could see how she could be flaky sometimes as I think she might not be sober all the time.
But after reading the reviews from you guys, especially the review about seeing rat. I think I might just have to take this one off my list. It's a shame though. But I'm scared of rats, and what can potentially come along with them. I'm glad we have a forum like this.[/QUOTE]That would be too fucking ironic it I survived over 25 years of SW's and Escorts without one STD, just to be bitten by a rat and die of rabies or some other fucked up disease it may be carrying.
ILH.
I know what you all are thinking, is this guy real. I am. I just left Kat at the b, w on oracle south of orange grove. Not the girl in the picture I gave her $10 for her time and left. First time I ever did that. When I got in my truck a truck grove buy me that had a white mountain police sticker on the side he was texting, then he pulled into the parking lot to the south and was still texting. As I pulled out of the parking lot he pulled out in front of me. I think this is my lucky day stay away. Her add is on Tucson live escort reviews 714 xxx8854.
Those things carry Hantavirus, which has been traced to Arizona.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3969760]That would be too fucking ironic it I survived over 25 years of SW's and Escorts without one STD, just to be bitten by a rat and die of rabies or some other fucked up disease it may be carrying.
ILH.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth. I really don't like bashing anyone. But this forum is all about taking one for the Team (all of us mongers) and then informing us of the good and bad that's out there. Period.
It's a way to weed through the good ones and bad ones and for all of us to get the best Bang for the buck we can and have a enjoyable experience. It's pretty simple. You find the one you want you go thru with it and you report back. Then we make the choices we feel are worth our time and money. We all have our own requirements when it comes to our likes. And dislikes. I kinda look at it like taking a test drive in our favorite car then writing a review on that test drive. Those who choose to read that review can now make a educated decision on going through with taking your own test drive. That's it!
The girl in the pics is hot.
Though I rarely contact any escorts these days, I do notice if the # in the ad matches the # on the tab heading.
This one did not so I would have avoided it.
And N.M. is probably the real deal.
[QUOTE=TucsonNative;3969856]I know what you all are thinking, is this guy real. I am. I just left Kat at the b, w on oracle south of orange grove. Not the girl in the picture I gave her $10 for her time and left. First time I ever did that. When I got in my truck a truck grove buy me that had a white mountain police sticker on the side he was texting, then he pulled into the parking lot to the south and was still texting. As I pulled out of the parking lot he pulled out in front of me. I think this is my lucky day stay away. Her add is on Tucson live escort reviews 714 xxx8854.[/QUOTE]
The photos used in the ad appear in Long Island, Phoenix and yesterday in Show Low, AZ. Why a White Mountain police vehicle would be working in Tucson is a bit puzzling. Could it have been a a former cop car or did it look like it was still in service, IE, lights and full emblems, etc. So not the lady in the photos and multiple out of city posts. Did you pick her up, meet or? What made you drop her off? Did she want you to take her someplace? All in all, sound like you escaped a scam, maybe LE. There is still a handful of decent providers with references or reputations; ads like the one you responded too are mighty suspect from the get go. Lucky you but more details would be instructive.
[QUOTE=TucsonNative;3969856]I know what you all are thinking, is this guy real. I am. I just left Kat at the b, w on oracle south of orange grove. Not the girl in the picture I gave her $10 for her time and left. First time I ever did that. When I got in my truck a truck grove buy me that had a white mountain police sticker on the side he was texting, then he pulled into the parking lot to the south and was still texting. As I pulled out of the parking lot he pulled out in front of me. I think this is my lucky day stay away. Her add is on Tucson live escort reviews 714 xxx8854.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Arizona123;3969971]For what it's worth. I really don't like bashing anyone. But this forum is all about taking one for the Team (all of us mongers) and then informing us of the good and bad that's out there. Period.
It's a way to weed through the good ones and bad ones and for all of us to get the best Bang for the buck we can and have a enjoyable experience. It's pretty simple. You find the one you want you go thru with it and you report back. Then we make the choices we feel are worth our time and money. We all have our own requirements when it comes to our likes. And dislikes. I kinda look at it like taking a test drive in our favorite car then writing a review on that test drive. Those who choose to read that review can now make a educated decision on going through with taking your own test drive. That's it![/QUOTE]I am not sure why you quoted my post for that comment since it has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.