How things work with police and prosecution
Long time lurker. I found this site while investigating a prostitution case I ended up doing a trial on. I've been lurking ever since. I think these prostitution laws are absurd, I represent people who are the worst of the worst (murders, rapes, robberies, shootings, etc), so when I see the amount of resources expended on these bullshit cases, it really pisses me off as a citizen. And if you want to talk about the expending of resources, I'll give you an example. In your typical day in WLA, the LAPD have, for the whole WLA station (that goes from Pacific Palisades down to Brentwood, east to LaCienega, south to Culver City, and north to Mullholland) a total of 1-2 cars for regular patrol. This means that if you have someone who robs you in your home and runs away, and you call 911, you have one, maybe 2 cars for that whole area protecting you. Mind you, they have plenty of traffic officers (lots of revenue there), vice (gotta love the stats), narcotics (more statistics), and gang (real, actual societal concerns, but generally going about it the wrong way) officers, but who knows if they're working at that time, and they don't have to respond to radio calls if they don't want to (and believe me, this is why they choose those units, so they don't have to respond to as many radio calls).
On a recent trial I did, they had about 20-25 police officers involved in a sting on Figueroa for 12 hours. You got that? They had 10 times as many officers on one Figueroa sting as they have patrolling all of West Los Angeles! That's outrageous.
Now, I've done some explanation of the crimes you could be popped for on the Fig Street walker section, but the MP are a totally different gig. You are far safer in that area. First of all, you don't face an arrest for 653. 22 (loitering with the intent to commit an act of prostitution). This is a "crime" where you do innocuous acts (ie. No actual acts of prostitution), but a cop "opines" that you were doing these acts with an intent to do an act of prostitution. Absurd, I know, but juries tend to give a lot of credence to this bullshit police officer "opinion" testimony.
Then there's the actual act of prostitution, or soliciting an act (which is how they usually get johns). The key here is to make sure that the person you're dealing with is not a cop. The best way to do that in the street is to get the girl in your car, or at least cop a good feel (cops won't typically get in your car or let you cop a feel). In a MP, the best bet is to get the girl somewhat naked, or at least get some feels on her so that you know she's not a cop. Don't discuss any money right off. Don't do it until she's massaged you quite a bit, and done things that cops would not do.
I would avoid all talk of money for sex. One suggestion I heard someone talk about in court was taking some money out of your wallet and leaving it partially viewable, so that you can say "I like to leave nice tips for great massages. " But, unless you're sure that girl is not a cop (by feeling her up or having her rub you down well), don't ever make arrangements.
If you can, try to do the negotiating without speaking, in case she's miked (although, in all of my years of doing this, I can't remember a case where they miked an actual provider in a sting. Only cops). I can't imagine they've video'd it. You'd have a great invasion of privacy issue if you didn't actually do any act of prostitution and they video'd you getting a naked. Legal. Massage.
Remember, these MPs are not illegal. You're not breaking any law by being there. If you are stopped by the police, tell them that you were getting a massage for your [insert high scool sporting injury here]. Continue to insist that you do not pay for sex, or better yet, say "I was getting a massage, nothing illegal about that, " and then tell them you want a lawyer if they're accusing you of doing something wrong.
Just be aware, police lie, and they may make up a case against you regardless. From reading these boards, I'd have to say your best bet may be driving 2 hours south to TJ, and doing it legally there (just don't get shot in a drug cartel war)
Stay safe all you guys, and if you have any questions about this stuff, feel free to PM me (although I'm not up on these boards all that often, so be patient if I don't get back to you quickly). Good luck mongering everyone, and don't become my client, please.
OCA brother YOU can lead a horse to water...
OCA,
Please, do not help this guy at all.
He has PM'd me too.
He is either another lapd vice pig...
Or he is JAFO that seems to be stupid, lazy and not somebody any of us would probably wanna hang out with...
My point is this.
There are NO SHORTCUTS NEWBIES to be learned here.
YOU get out what YOU put into this hobby.
We have all gleaned invaluable experiences while wasting our time, $$$ and gas looking for tang.
In fact, its the hard work, numerous failure's and the all to real life drama that makes it all worth it.
Get off your ass and figure it out already.
This is not rocket science.
Its f**king sex for $$$.
Its not even a real relationship.
We f**k strangers that we pretend are our gfe's...
I am so sick of this s**t.
I am not going to send some punk kid to one of the few spots that are still operating!
Why should I risk loosing what I barely have left for someone who brings nothing to the table.
WTF can YOU do for us...
Quit complaining and asking questions that have already been addressed here.
And finally, start mongering, wasting your time, gas & $$$ like all of us real mongers have done and still do...
And then get a clue.
This, our favorite hobby, is highly illegal and it is under intense pressure from all LE agencies in LA county.
If YOU dont know what to do already this thread is not the place to be learning.
This is a place where real mongers share real intel w/other trusted members via our forums PM feature so we can all get laid.
Damn, dude just RTFF already!!!
Late, da Irie Sadist
Finally found one, but quite suspicious
To turn away from the negative energy I'm receiving, I will post my first official (since I am a newbie in this forum) AMP experience. I wanted to dedicate this one to the all mighty great monger, Vlad. So anyways, I did my homework and came accross an ad that noted, "she do good job". So it was quite obvious what they offered, especially with the broken english. I do not know the name of the place since it did not have a name in front and the complex itself looked pretty much abandoned. I drove around it just to do my own scoping out, I noticed a white SUV parked directly accross from it with tinted black windows and the way it was parked was just suspicious since it was alone and not close to any of the business'. When I came back it was gone. So I went for it even though my gut said no. I was greeted by about a 35 yearold Chinese lady, tall, but not attractive. The front desk had a monitor with the camera views outside and inside which really gave it away. I laid face down nakid as she came back in. I played it safe, stayed quiet, and let her lead the way as she started to give me a decent massage. At first we were alone but then I heard voices, the doorbell rang like 3 times during massage and it seemed like a package was being delivered, she left the room whenever the doorbell rang as well or sometimes not even when the doorbell rang. I was pretty much a little freaked out to be honest since that never happened to me before. Finally another door bell, she walked out, came back in, she did not say a word at the door (since my room was right next to the front door) and then I hear a helicopter. Right when the helicopter sounded she whispered "oh sh! T". She brushed it off and said, "oh no, too many customer. " She later tried to fish for a quick hand job in which I decided to not even go for. I left with a pretty good massage, . 6 out of my pocket and I'm probably not going back to that one ever again.
So just to "help" out, I wouldn't recommend this place to any of you guys if any of you are looking in the Winnetka area.
Stay Away from Rose Therapy
They advertise on CL in Reseda on corner of Saticoy and Canby. (If I liked this place I would of course not post their address here).
$40 for a 1/2 hour which was a horrible 10 minute massage before the flip. She then asked for $100 to take off her top and HJ, I told her no way and gave her $40 for just the HJ and still feel like I got ripped off. The chick was smoking though, cute little Thai girl with beautiful big tits, but no way worth a $100 just to see them.
I've got my spot where for $80-$100 total you get an awesome 1 hour massage and a nice HE, which is all I need. I should just stick to it but as you all know half the fun is discovering new spots!
SOP for all newbies explained below...
Mongers,
Nico, has provided a nice simple one page article for all newbies to read!
Peace, da Irie Sadist
Ventura County / Simi Valley
Whats up fellow mongers, havent posted in a while. Been busy with work trying to earn a living, with little to no extra income to blow on the hobby.
I wanted to give you all a heads up though that there is a bunch of new spots opening up here in Simi Valley. Some experiences I had so far, where not much worth reporting about. Few months back was driving and noticed a new little hole in the wall place. Figured I would stop by and window shop a bit. Walked in, was a room with 2 closed doors, camera in the corner of the room, 2 couches, business cards, and a coffee table. I grabbed a business card and sat down for a minute. No one came out, probably busy with other customers so I split. My other experience was few months backed, checked out this new amp that had just opened. Me and a friend went there it was right near closing, mamasan was an older, unattractive woman, we asked if anyone else was working, she said no, we split.
I will report more when I know more, be safe all.