Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

I totally agree with everything stated here. I couldn't have said any of it better.

All the best,

Dawn.

[QUOTE=Utr In Ohio; 1501634]I have pondered the changes and dramatics as of late and have a few comments to make. My intentions are not to start a fight or flame anyone. I just can't imagine the majority of you even know what's truely going on and I know providers don't want to call anyone out as they need the business / cash.

1.) I don't care if your a "agency" or "Independent" fan. The fact should be that we are here to share safe, useful information.

I see much more mis-information than I do credible intel. The invasion of newbie's and the ease of becomming a senior memeber has really made being a senior member no more credible than a first time cold caller. I know some of the seniors as they post almost daily and post reviews of providers they actually have seen! BUT so many are now seniors who only got there by waiting 6 months and posting absolute crap just to get posts up. A lot of these new seniors have never even participated or seen a provider. Just search their post you can clearly see a lot of their bs but none of their original intel.

2.) Senior status abuse. I know there are bad apples in every bunch but, most of you would be shocked and outraged if you knew how many "Seniors" use the status as a bargaining tool or leverage to get what they want.

Requet like: BBFS (there is one senior on here who contacts girls and explains that he is an older gentlemen so he must be disease free). I know of another that will offer multiple favorable reviews in exchange for extra time.

Is this the purpose of having senior status?

* For me this makes the term "senior" carry very little weight. It's like politics. Seniors vrs Newbies. You can't just pick a party you have to judge the memeber by their own history on the board.

3.) Uncle Leo: They are everywhere! BP, Indy, tbd, another site and yes. Right here in this forum! This is nothing new. When a professional Monger / hobbyist and seasoned provider or agency is involved the language of the arrangements are so discrete.

Lately, I get calls from "seniors" who have no idea what to say or not to say when booking. I can only guess this is due to the many seniors who play (on the board) but never take the plundge.

You want to stay safe. Stick to people you know and trust. Stop sharing strictly off status and be sure the senior you share with has credible post. My best advise is never pay or discuss with anyone in person, on phone or in pm's any money at all.

Read the rate on the ad and go with that. No cash / No Case!

4.) Speaking of Leo and safety. The amount of IV drug users offering services as escorts is alarming! Take just 20 minutes to pull the photo's of the girls ads on this board. I see the touch up work on wrists and arms. Can't you? I also have met 4 or 5 of the top advertisers here and have to say. If you don't see the tracks your either delusional or so greedy to save a buck that your health or safety are worth less than 10 to 50 bucks. Notice the girls who you see on here who get busted almost always have drug charges. Stop ignoring a major gap in security and safety. Let's clean up the hobby.

This is just my opinion and I am sure most here will only flame me for trying to ad some good advise.

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I second Dawn on this. Excellent post. You definitely won't garner any flames from me. I too, could not have said it better.

JRW1.

[QUOTE=Utr In Ohio; 1501634]I have pondered the changes and dramatics as of late and have a few comments to make. My intentions are not to start a fight or flame anyone. I just can't imagine the majority of you even know what's truely going on and I know providers don't want to call anyone out as they need the business / cash.

1.) I don't care if your a "agency" or "Independent" fan. The fact should be that we are here to share safe, useful information.

I see much more mis-information than I do credible intel. The invasion of newbie's and the ease of becomming a senior memeber has really made being a senior member no more credible than a first time cold caller. I know some of the seniors as they post almost daily and post reviews of providers they actually have seen! BUT so many are now seniors who only got there by waiting 6 months and posting absolute crap just to get posts up. A lot of these new seniors have never even participated or seen a provider. Just search their post you can clearly see a lot of their bs but none of their original intel.

2.) Senior status abuse. I know there are bad apples in every bunch but, most of you would be shocked and outraged if you knew how many "Seniors" use the status as a bargaining tool or leverage to get what they want.

Requet like: BBFS (there is one senior on here who contacts girls and explains that he is an older gentlemen so he must be disease free). I know of another that will offer multiple favorable reviews in exchange for extra time.

Is this the purpose of having senior status?

* For me this makes the term "senior" carry very little weight. It's like politics. Seniors vrs Newbies. You can't just pick a party you have to judge the memeber by their own history on the board.

3.) Uncle Leo: They are everywhere! BP, Indy, tbd, another site and yes. Right here in this forum! This is nothing new. When a professional Monger / hobbyist and seasoned provider or agency is involved the language of the arrangements are so discrete.

Lately, I get calls from "seniors" who have no idea what to say or not to say when booking. I can only guess this is due to the many seniors who play (on the board) but never take the plundge.

You want to stay safe. Stick to people you know and trust. Stop sharing strictly off status and be sure the senior you share with has credible post. My best advise is never pay or discuss with anyone in person, on phone or in pm's any money at all.

Read the rate on the ad and go with that. No cash / No Case!

4.) Speaking of Leo and safety. The amount of IV drug users offering services as escorts is alarming! Take just 20 minutes to pull the photo's of the girls ads on this board. I see the touch up work on wrists and arms. Can't you? I also have met 4 or 5 of the top advertisers here and have to say. If you don't see the tracks your either delusional or so greedy to save a buck that your health or safety are worth less than 10 to 50 bucks. Notice the girls who you see on here who get busted almost always have drug charges. Stop ignoring a major gap in security and safety. Let's clean up the hobby.

This is just my opinion and I am sure most here will only flame me for trying to ad some good advise.

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It appears the "rant & rave" board now houses the compliments, while the flames grow higher on the other boards? What's up with that?

Pleasant Dreams!

69

Compliments probably count as "raves". LOL.

Unfortunately, it always seems like the drama stays in the thread in which it starts. Even if someone [B][I]tries [/I][/B]to move it here. I think that is because it is so easy to just "reply with quote" in line in the thread. That way your "drama" doesn't get lost or ignored by moving to the "Rants and Raves" thread. Just my thoughts on the matter.

I personally like this thread and [B][I]sometimes [/I][/B]it gets used as it should.

JRW1.

[QUOTE=For69; 1506898]It appears the "rant & rave" board now houses the compliments, while the flames grow higher on the other boards? What's up with that?

Pleasant Dreams!

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I read through the "classified section" and was amazed to see a couple pics of a doggie game being played. The worse part? She is asking $$/hr? Are we really paying $$/hr for that? Oh My! I know we all have our visual preferences. And, I respect each to their own, as they say. But, really?

I prefer a lady to keep some surprises for me visually. Not post someone elses fun. But, hey! That is just me. To each his own. But, one man's opinion? There is no way I would shell out $$ for that type of game.

Just saying.

101

I did not mention your name in my post because you said Jackson was going to delete the referenced post. Now you tagged your name to my comments. Silly girl.

At least I brought my thoughts to the rants board. And, I will continue to share my views and read those of other members I respect. So, maybe you should be the one to "get over it". Considering we have never met (nor, will we ever meet) you have NO idea what I pay for. You mention "class"? Sorry sweetie. Those pics are miles away from showing class.

All that really matters? That you and your client are smiling at the end of the session.

101.

[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1510323]I am normally a very laid back and calm person, as any of my regulars would tell you, but what is the point to continually badger me about these pics? And just because you didn't come right out and say it, you still hinted at what it was. I understand these are your opinions, and that's all well and good, but enough is enough. You all have made your point, I have gotten texts and emails saying they are great pics, and to hell with what others say, and even some new appts because of it. The surrogate wanted me to post these pics because it made him feel better. I have since asked Jackson to remove them.

This site has so much drama on it lately, and I don't get it when we are supposed to be enjoying the hobby, not wanting to pull our hair out because of the constant nonsense. And you wouldn't shell out $$ for what? Seeing some action pictures? Those pics IMHO look a lot better than some of the things you DO pay for. Just saying.

I am very good at what I do, have not had one bad review and don't think I ever will, but so some explicit pics were put up. Get over it, and start enjoying yourself and the hobby and stop with all the constant nagging. It's just sex.

Yes I have apologized diplomatically and feel I have a lot of class, and have responded in a mature way. Just my opinion though.

Be Safe.

Ally[/QUOTE]

Another provider pic that amazes me! While I must admit, I did enjoy the view (hats off to the photographer!). There is a framed photo on the wall that has "I might have some explaining to do at some point in the future" written all over it!

Again, to each his / her own, I guess. But, a pic like that could cause "issues" for the client, at some point. IMHO.

Yet, I will say, again. Nice view! .

101

OK, Molly, I'll bite, I'll take you up on your offer to comment in rants, raves and opinions.

If I were you or anyone else who posts pics, I would refrain from posting pics like this. I mean, just because we're mongers we aren't all perverts. Granted we're all here for the same p4p action, but most people that post here, providers and hobbyists alike, expect at least a little decorum. We like all kinds of providers, and all kinds of entertainment to be sure, but I would say that most providers and hobbyists prefer "sexy" to "raw." Not 100, but close to it. IMHO. Better porn on porn sites. I swear, my dear, this pic looks more like you're trying to stick a brat up your snatch than a man. Raw but not sexy. And besides, if you really want to be naughty, try sticking it up the other half-gaping open orifice you so proudly show off.

You are a fine fuck, no question, but you might rachet it down a notch, at least on this site.

Say what you want-it doesn't bother me. I am one of the sexiest girls on this site, and my pics prove it, unless of course, you have had the pleasure of seeing me in person, which then you know that I look way better in person than any $5000 camera's pictures.

Fortunately, I don't have to use photoshop to hide my track marks, stretch marks, cellulite, and any other type of nastiness. Anyway, most of the pics I posted today are from camera phones, and not professional pictures. I posted them just to get a reaction anyway-thanks for biting!

At least I'm proud of my perfect body, and it does do me good.

Bye Bye for now, boys, and I will let you finish your high school squabbling and dreaming about girls that you can only get if you have to pay them for it (even though from the looks of some of the women on here, maybe you should be paying them for it!)

Kisses,

Molly

[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1510323]I am normally a very laid back and calm person, as any of my regulars would tell you, but what is the point to continually badger me about these pics? And just because you didn't come right out and say it, you still hinted at what it was. I understand these are your opinions, and that's all well and good, but enough is enough. You all have made your point, I have gotten texts and emails saying they are great pics, and to hell with what others say, and even some new appts because of it. The surrogate wanted me to post these pics because it made him feel better. I have since asked Jackson to remove them.

This site has so much drama on it lately, and I don't get it when we are supposed to be enjoying the hobby, not wanting to pull our hair out because of the constant nonsense. And you wouldn't shell out $$ for what? Seeing some action pictures? Those pics IMHO look a lot better than some of the things you DO pay for. Just saying.

I am very good at what I do, have not had one bad review and don't think I ever will, but so some explicit pics were put up. Get over it, and start enjoying yourself and the hobby and stop with all the constant nagging. It's just sex.

Yes I have apologized diplomatically and feel I have a lot of class, and have responded in a mature way. Just my opinion though.

Be Safe.

Ally[/QUOTE]Ally,

I'm not in your neck of the woods nor am I an active monger anymore but I am a photographer who occasional uses these pages to find subjects. This sort of bitching about photos comes up every so often, I am not really sure why, maybe jealousy or some sort of false modesty by the accusers. Many mongers who post photos and some girls have been run off by these folks. What, they are bothered by seeing a man and a woman engaged in sexual activity? What do they expect? Are they engaging the ladies so that they can play tiddly winks? If they don't want to see your photos they don't have to look.

You are a beautiful girl, if you are ever in my neck of the woods or I in yours I would love to photograph you. Don't let these folks run you down run you off.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1511457]Say what you want-it doesn't bother me. I am one of the sexiest girls on this site, and my pics prove it, unless of course, you have had the pleasure of seeing me in person, which then you know that I look way better in person than any $5000 camera's pictures.

Fortunately, I don't have to use photoshop to hide my track marks, stretch marks, cellulite, and any other type of nastiness. Anyway, most of the pics I posted today are from camera phones, and not professional pictures. I posted them just to get a reaction anyway-thanks for biting!

At least I'm proud of my perfect body, and it does do me good.

Bye Bye for now, boys, and I will let you finish your high school squabbling and dreaming about girls that you can only get if you have to pay them for it (even though from the looks of some of the women on here, maybe you should be paying them for it!)

Kisses,

Molly[/QUOTE]Molly,

You are a beautiful woman, were I in your area I would love to photograph you. Your pictures are a wonderful representation of you, don't let the haters keep you from posting. If they hate them they don't have to look at them. Maybe they would feel more comfortable looking at women in birkas.

I am glad that at least this is in the Rants and Raves thread. *shaking my head*

Why should she refrain from posting pics like the one you to which you refer? As long as they are not breaking any forum guidelines by posting them, at least. If you don't like it, you don't have to look at it. I know Molly posted her picture to get a reaction and she has, obviously. Admittedly this is not a "porn site," but what does it matter if Molly or Ally (or anyone else) posts pictures like that, really? This is a "sex site". The Client is not readily identifiable in any of the pics and has agreed to have the pictures posted. It's not hurting anyone.

"providers and hobbyists expect at least a little decorum" and "most providers and hobbyists prefer 'sexy' to 'raw'" You are all on a site entitled "USA Sex Guide" after all. What are you really expecting here? I doubt that many of the hobbyists pay the provider to just "sit around" and look sexy. I'm willing to bet that what they do is pretty "raw" and that they see things like what is depicted in the photos all the time. So, what is the difference if it is shown or described here?

Let's be honest, you're not fooling anyone when you sidestep and slant talk about what this site is about. It doesn't matter if you describe what happens in acronyms (e.g. DFK, FS, BBBJCIM, P4P) or are explicit or don't even mention anything at all. You, me, other hobbyists, providers, [B][I]LE[/I][/B] -- ALL know [U]exactly[/U] what is going on here. Don't think that you are fooling anyone. What you write here cannot be used against you. It was not written "under oath" or with any implicit admission that it was real or even the truth. It cannot be used as an admission of guilt.

You "object" to porn, but yet you pay to have sex with women? Very odd. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I suppose.

I do have to say that my idea of "decorum" is [B][I]not[/I][/B] suggesting that Molly is "trying to stick a brat up [her] snatch" or suggesting that she, "try sticking it up the other half-gaping open orifice [she] so proudly show off." Just because it was your written description and not in a vivid, color photograph doesn't mean that showed the decorum that you profess that you want on USASG.

Ally and Molly, you are both sexy ladies. Don't worry yourselves over all of this crap. Some members on this board live to cause drama and create issues. I love the pictures, personally. They look great. All of them.

JRW1

[QUOTE=GiddyUp Go;1511207]OK, Molly, I'll bite, I'll take you up on your offer to comment in rants, raves and opinions.

If I were you or anyone else who posts pics, I would refrain from posting pics like this. I mean, just because we're mongers we aren't all perverts. Granted we're all here for the same p4p action, but most people that post here, providers and hobbyists alike, expect at least a little decorum. We like all kinds of providers, and all kinds of entertainment to be sure, but I would say that most providers and hobbyists prefer "sexy" to "raw." Not 100, but close to it. IMHO. Better porn on porn sites. I swear, my dear, this pic looks more like you're trying to stick a brat up your snatch than a man. Raw but not sexy. And besides, if you really want to be naughty, try sticking it up the other half-gaping open orifice you so proudly show off.

You are a fine fuck, no question, but you might rachet it down a notch, at least on this site.[/QUOTE]