General Reports

[QUOTE=Freebie Bean]You're right, I'm wrong. You're smart, I'm dumb. I'm not wasting my time on this anymore. Obviously everyone who reads this forum except me thinks ATM is not only perfectly normal behaviour, but also as healthy as a nice cup of tea, so I'll not make further comment on that. Have a great and wonderful life. I sincerely hope you and your partners continue to have good health.[/QUOTE]

Well, Freebie, the above is probably the most intelligent post you have made, sarcasm notwithstanding. Just give it up. There are much larger causes and more dangerous villians in this world than the dreaded ass-to-mouth danger that you profess so vigorously here.

I guess this means that we will not be getting those death and injury statistics, or even one health study performed by a repitable institution, regarding this massively dangerous activity. I guess the universities and other institutions are just too busy on those minor problems like crack addiction and drunk driving. ATM has not made it to the top of their most dangerous human activity list yet.

I am sure that I speak for all in this forum when I give you my deepest thanks for giving up on your lost cause to assert that ATM is an inherently dangerous activity.

-Shark-

Shark,
I realize that you were the one whose sexual practice got "attacked", but you've been pretty antagonistic towards Freebie. He was mostly respectful in his replies to you and you ratcheted it up several degrees, IMO. Let it go.

And...Tiger Woods' Mom is Thai, not Korean.

[QUOTE=Hugh Jardon]Shark,
I realize that you were the one whose sexual practice got "attacked", but you've been pretty antagonistic towards Freebie. He was mostly respectful in his replies to you and you ratcheted it up several degrees, IMO. Let it go.

And...Tiger Woods' Mom is Thai, not Korean.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Freebie Bean]...Maybe you should give up your "ass to mouth" fetish for the safety and health of the women in your relationship. Or does the giving and sacrifice just go one way?

There's a name for people who justify pleasure for themselves without regard of others..."sociopath."[/QUOTE]

I don't even want to spend time on this idiotic subject enouth to respond to this comment by Jardon, stating that I somehow was the one who "ratcheted" it up towards Freebie. I do feel the need to at least respond by quoting Freebie Bean, and this is just one of many DISrespectful comments from him, including the original after I was just sharing a story about my GF and I.

Can the above quote, and others by him, possibly be construed "mostly respectful?" He is the one who should have just left it alone, instead of rattling off unsupported banter about the extreme danger of ATM, when he cannot produce even one death or injury report from such activity. I think it is more disrespectful to try to cause an unreasonable fear by stating unsupported paranoid falsities, and call me a sociopath for suggesting something to my GF (not forcing, suggesting).

Don't get me wrong, I am sure that he can find a few internet sites that will state that ATM is dangerious. You find internet sites that state that vaginal sex is dangerious, and we should all stop that too, much less anal sex. But he does not even produce one of those so we could examine the claims, and determine if it is a reputable medical study. Hey, if a web site PROVED through a good study that ATM, or even anal, was going to kill my GF, I would never do either again.

But Freebie has called me a "sociopath" for merely suggesting ATM, without any such support. Pretending for one second that ATM was dangerous, in order to be a sociopath, I would have to KNOW or have reckless disregard toward the danger, and do it to my GF anyway. Neither is true, and Freebie is the jerk for stating what he has stated.

And on Tiger Wood's mother, WHO CARES!!!! Why even point that out? I hate to say it Jardon, but it seems you just want to pick at somebody today for no reason. Was it even worth the extra effort in typing in order to point out that mistake? Okay, point noted. But at least I am not stating that a common sexual activity causes injury or death, without support, and calling sombody a sociopath for suggesting that activity to the GF. That would be a fact that would be important to correct, not the race of some celeb's mother. Duly noted. Why not point out my numerous spelling errors too? Take up forum space for that.

With regard to all this, I must quote Goodfellas: "Now go home and get your f_ing shine box."

-Shark-

[QUOTE=Shark in OC]
With regard to all this, I must quote Goodfellas: "Now go home and get your f_ing shine box."

-Shark-[/QUOTE]
Be careful with that quote chief. You remember what happened to Billy Batts.

[QUOTE=Sarang Haeyo]Be careful with that quote chief. You remember what happened to Billy Batts.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am deathly afraid of Freebie and Jardon coming to "knock me off," "give me cement boots," or "push a botton on me."

My law practice has a fairly healthy "organizational" or "connected" clientele (however you want to put it). Mainly Far-East connections. I just don't do their criminal work, only their civil work. I am sure they would have much success in even trying to get close to me.....Right....

Of couse, since I gave my GF a rim job before I boned her in the ass last night, I guess I am going to get the same dredded death that my GF is going to get from ATM that one time she did it with me, so they should not bother with the ride-by on me.

-Shark-

I can't believe I've pissed off a lawyer for the Triads! I'm going into witness protection. Please don't send their Ninja assassins after me. I'm real sorry for everything.

Also, as a goodwill gesture toward you Shark, the correct spelling is "clientele." I know how those Triads are about mistakes and I would hate for them to chop you up into seafood because a high powered lawyer such as yourself can't spell a word that is relatively standard in your business.

PS: I admit that this post was sarcastic, disrespectful and completely unrelated to anything in this forum other than the continued obsession Shark seems to have with my previous comments. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[QUOTE=Freebie Bean].....Also, as a goodwill gesture toward you Shark, the correct spelling is "clientele."....[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am sure you meant your correction of my typographical error as a "goodwill" gesture, and not as another meaningless and unfruitful stab at trying to embarrass me since you are so embarrassed by the way you made yourself look so stupid with your unsupported paranoid rantings about ATM. You did not expect for me or anybody else to call you out on your idiotoc baseless claim that ATM is inherently dangerious, and your lie about all the medical studies on web sites that purportedly support your stupid point.

Anyway, guess what Freebie, my GF and I had great anal sex today, and she took my cock into my mouth after it was in her ass, without any of my so called "sociopathic" requests somehow compelling her to do so. In your honor, I asked her what happened, and she said she just got caught in the moment, and was kind of funny about it because she realized what she had done and went to wash out her mouth. We joked about it afterward.

Guess what Freebie, believe it or not SHE IS STILL ALIVE AFTER DOING ATM. OMG, we need to call the New England Journal of Medicine about this merical story of incredible survival.

-Shark-

You are right that I have not presented any specific medical evidence that ATM is dangerous. That is probably because this is fetishistic behaviour that is unthinkable for most people. Researching ATM to prove it is dangerous would be like researching Russian Roulette. You might get lucky for a long time, but it's' still pretty fucking stupid.

Still, you can find tons of research on the bacteria found in feces. Unless your dick is about a quarter inch long, I think it's possible that it will run into some fecal residue in the bowels of your partner. With the abundance of scientific evidence concerning the potential dangers of ingesting bacteria from fecal matter, my number one question would be; why do I care so much more for the health and safety of your sex partners (and your health) than you do?

Here are just a few links which detail the dangers of ingesting fecal bacteria:

[url]http://www.archrespite.org/archfs42.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.whipplesdisease.net/Diagnosis/Feces/hauptteil_feces.html[/url]
[url]http://www.kidsource.com/health/ABCs.child.care.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_feces[/url]
[url]http://www.dmacc.edu/instructors/human.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/amebiasis.jsp[/url]
[url]http://solarcooking.org/pasteurization/metcalf.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Freebie Bean]I think it's possible that it will run into some fecal residue in the bowels of your partner.[/QUOTE]

Ever heard of a cleansing enema? Better yet, have you ever fucked a girl in the ass? For that matter, have you ever fucked [i]anyone[/i] in the ass? If you "think it's possible" then I would say it's far more likely that you're forming your opinion based on conjecture rather than basing it on experience.

The other night I fucked my girlfriend in the ass - she's riding the rag this week so it's all anal, all the time - and after a nice long session I popped my load in her ass and she turned around and sucked out the last drops from the head of my cock. I promptly fell asleep and woke up late for a meeting. Given the time constraint and my commute I only had time for a Puerto Rican shower (apologies if the term offends anyone, but that's what it's called for better or worse.) After my meeting I grabbed some breakfast and ran into a fuck buddy at the coffee shop - long story short we ended up in a 69 on her sailboat and followed up with some vigorous fucking. In case you missed it, that's ATM with the girlfriend and then straight into my fuckbuddy's mouth. That was a few days ago and as far as I'm aware, both my girlfriend and my fuckbuddy are still alive and well, and both free of any disease or infection. While you're still in research mode though, why don't you look up the definition of the word fetish and learn how to use it properly in a sentence... that way the next time you find yourself busy being overly concerned with statistical phenomena concerning aspects of sex lives that are much more fulfilling than your own at the very least you won't sound both whiny and stupid.


Benchseats Rock

If you read back to the beginning of this LONG series of posts you would see that I have had anal sex (with a woman) and enjoyed it...but I also asked if these women are always doing cleansing enemas (not that an enema would definitely prohibit the chance of disease, but it would have to help). Also, your first girl made the choice to perform fresh ATM, did you inform your fuck-buddy that your unshowered dick had been recently buried deep in the shithole of another woman? (who knows, for some women that might have been a turn on)

Also, you don't have to see shit or smell shit for shit to be present. Bacteria is small (that's why they have microscopes in science class).

Say all you want about me. You don't know me. I can be called "stupid" or "idiot" and unfulfilled sexually. I know the truth. I'm glad you and your lady friends have been healthy so far. I honestly hope that continues. Maybe you'll continue to be lucky.

Definition for Fetish: An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment; a fixation.
In the common English language, any degree of attention given to a singular inanimate object, body part, body feature or sexual behaviour may be said to be a sign of sexual fetishism.

(Under this definition, I guess it could be said I have a "Fetish" for the subject, since I seem to be fixated on trying to respond, despite it being a complete waste of all our time to continue on this subject. I am obviously not going to impress upon you the dangers of ATM and you are not going to ever make me believe it is totally safe and a normal sexual practice).

[QUOTE=Freebie Bean]Did you inform your fuck-buddy that your unshowered dick had been recently buried deep in the shithole of another woman? (who knows, for some women that might have been a turn on)[/quote]

Somehow I knew you were going to ask that. I did tell her - but only after we had finished up and were smoking in the galley. I'm also very happy to report that it was a turn on for her to know she'd been unknowingly defiled and she told me to tell my girlfriend that she has a tasty little shithole. It's not quite there yet, but I fully intend to devote my full attention towards getting these two together at the same time.

[QUOTE=Freebie Bean]I'm glad you and your lady friends have been healthy so far. I honestly hope that continues.[/quote]
Thank You.



As for defining fetish, you went to dictionary.com and grabbed the definition from the American Heritage Dictionary - and while that would work for say, just about any other situation, in this context it is the least appropriate of all the results. In fact, as I've quoted below, there is an American Heritage Medical Dictionary (Stedman's) for exactly this reason. Medical and psychiatric terminology may use words that occur in standard english but those words can function in a completely different way and with different implications.

That we are discussing an overtly physical act and the psychology surrounding it's examination, the more appropriately correct definition must come from a medical dictionary. Same source - that much you got right, but further on down the page. You're not exhibiting a fetish for responding here - maybe it's a bit compulsive, maybe it's a bit neurotic, but it's not a fetish in any way, shape, or form.


[b]Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary[/b]
Main Entry: fe·tish
Variant: also fe·tich /'fet-ish also 'fEt-/
Function: noun

1. an object or bodily part whose real or fantasized presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is [b]an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression[/b]


[b]American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary[/b]

fet·ish (ftsh, ftsh)
n.

1. Something, such as [b]an object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification.[/b]

2. An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment.
[size=-2][b](#2 doesn't mean what you think it means)[/b][/size]


Hope this helps,



Benchseats Rock

That's the most intelligent response I have recieved on this subject yet, Bench. I would like us all to agree to disagree on this subject. I realize that I will not convince some of you that ATM is potentially dangerous, and you will not convince me otherwise. I will try again to call a truce to this subject...with no more name calling or disparaging comments.

Good health and best wishes to you all.

[Somehow I knew you were going to ask that. I did tell her - but only after we had finished up and were smoking in the galley. I'm also very happy to report that it was a turn on for her to know she'd been unknowingly defiled and she told me to tell my girlfriend that she has a tasty little shithole. It's not quite there yet, but I fully intend to devote my full attention towards getting these two together at the same time.]

Ive dont this many times. It is hot because your looking at the girl slopping everything and you know she is into it. I have also had the same thing done to me from my partners which is something I have learned to love even more. I guess I like ladies who have appetites :-)

[QUOTE=Freebie Bean]That's the most intelligent response I have recieved on this subject yet, Bench. I would like us all to agree to disagree on this subject. I realize that I will not convince some of you that ATM is potentially dangerous, and you will not convince me otherwise. I will try again to call a truce to this subject...with no more name calling or disparaging comments.

Good health and best wishes to you all.[/QUOTE]

Sex is "potentially" dangerous because you could get AIDs or other STDs.

So you should stop that too.

I hope you are not too embarrassed yet again by Benchseats' confirmation of the definition of "fetish" in the context of sexual activity. You quote the wrong part of the definition when it comes to that. The definition with regard to sexual activity, as I pointed out before, does define an act necessary for sexual performance. The portion of the definition that you allege that I fall under has nothing to do with sex, which is what we are talking about here for god sake.

Thanks for not calling people names any more. Your point about ingesting human feces would probably have been well taken if you did not decide to go on your campaign to disparage me and my sexual life with my GF, in a forum partly dedicated to the very subject you claim is dangerous. By your blantently insulting comments, you obviously did not just merely "disagree" with my sexual preferences with my GF. You got downright angry about my personal preference with my GF to perform ATM, and told me I am a "sociopath." So I hope you learned something about effective communication, and how to make your point intelligently by not attacking individuals and distracting from your point.

By the way, there are other forums dedicated to your mission of stopping poeple from performing specific sex acts. You should save us all and go and voice your concerns in those forums Freebie. Maybe ask for funding from corporations to start a campaign against ATM.

Finally, about this:
[QUOTE=Freebie Bean].... did you inform your fuck-buddy that your unshowered dick had been recently buried deep in the shithole of another woman? (who knows, for some women that might have been a turn on)

Also, you don't have to see shit or smell shit for shit to be present. Bacteria is small (that's why they have microscopes in science class).

.....[/QUOTE]

Did you just marry your highschool sweatheart? Never slept with anybody else? You come on to a site like this and judge me, and others I take it, for having multiple sexual partners over their life time? That is just insane. Go to church and complain about us, the celebs in Hollywood, and the World for that matter, or better yet, get over your jealousy, and go out there and meet people, instead of judging here.

By the way, talk about MY obsession with YOU? You went and did a survey of all my posts and counted my sexual partners? Did you print them out, post them on your wall, and masturbate to them? Talk about "obession" and "fetish"!!!!

I tell you, if you go to a dictionary and look up "playa hata'" (player hater for those who don't speak ebonics), a picture of Freebie Bean would be there. Stop hating, and go make yourself more happy in life. Please.

-Shark-

I am posting to explicitly support Freebie's comments and I hope those that have been silent will do the same.

I can hardly believe the scorn and BS that the poster Freebie has received after his extremely mild and limited criticism. Frankly he was way too forgiving.

I've already wasted enough time signing up to post this comment, so I won't analyze 13 or so pages of posts, but some things that stick out are a complete willingness to knowingly inflict pain, cause bleeding, degradation, humiliation, and coerce ass to mouth without consent. Does it really need to be said that anal sex should not be painful and should never involve bleeding? I hope that level of basic awareness is not necessary here.

For example:

"She still complains that anal sex hurts too much, makes her blead a lot of the time, and I should find a way to not want it so badly. Of course, I have told her that it is a fetish of mine"

"Sshe specficially requested that she not have to taste her own ass like that again."

"She claimed it hurt to much and she did not want to do it any more. I convinced her that it is a fettish of mine, and I need to f her in the A in order"

"I pushed it in so that the tip of my penis was engolfed in her ass, and she was visiably in pain, and breathing heavy."