"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=SkyHighBuilder;3514395]So many of us are in your shoes. I use a secure text app (many use burner phones. Cheap, little ones without any features that you can hide and use exclusively for this). I've not had a whisper of trouble from anyone and don't expect any. These are not BP / CL girls that are always running an angle.[/QUOTE]Is it accurate to conclude from your post that the gals (at least enough of them) aren't insisting on your name, job info, etc. , so they can confirm who you are?

[QUOTE=CuriousInquir;3514434]Is it accurate to conclude from your post that the gals (at least enough of them) aren't insisting on your name, job info, etc. , so they can confirm who you are?[/QUOTE]I've never encountered anything like that!

[QUOTE=SkyHighBuilder;3514458]I've never encountered anything like that![/QUOTE]I have never once had a girl do any kind of research on me. Meeting in a public space is as far as it goes for 99.9% of them. There are pros on there and I'm kinda curious if they do any background checks.

[QUOTE=SkyHighBuilder;3514458]I've never encountered anything like that![/QUOTE]Your mb is full sir.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;3514011]If you just want to drop $300 with little effort and be the 4th guy of the day, go for it. Agency or indy.

So on with the class. LOL.

8. You are going to have to spend a lot of time sending out messages, and by that I mean more than just "Hi sexy". Write a few words, mention anything they have in their profile that lets them know you actually read it.

9. Move them to text as quick as possible so you can do a little background checking on them via Google, Facebook, Instagram. Some are smart enough to use a text app, most aren't. And they love taking selfies.

10. What to offer, how to discuss how much they want. I try and get them to throw out a number first, it's referred to on SA as "allowance", never call it a donation, fee, or anything that sounds hookerish. If they insist on you making the first offer, always go for a range you are comfortable with given her looks I. E. $100-300 each time we meet, maybe 2-4 times a month depending on our schedules and chemistry. This will do 2 things, it will ward off the GPS girls who want the private jet, yacht, and rolex. It lets them know they can counter at UP TO $300 (if she looks good enough) occasionally I will even drop it down to $200 if I have plenty of other hotter girls on the line. IF she comes at you with a number such as $600 per meet, ALWAYS cut that in half, and even down to $200-250 if she isn't a solid 9..[/QUOTE]Most of these are pretty solid do's. The reporting for no show is pretty weak. Thi gs happen in life so I give one 2 chances and if she cancells twice or just no show I move on. Reporting if anything they cancel her membership and she has a new one up in 10 minutes. The negotiations I leave to them. If one is out of my range I thank her and move. Lots of swers, on. If she decides to counter offer then we have a conversation. Your supposed to be sd's so trying to haggle over a few bucks tells them your pretty fake. Not sure what your posting as your income but if its above 100 k and your trying to negotiate over 100 bucks different that's a red flag. Some girls actually look at that and call you out on it. GPS is just a guys term for a girl who won't fuck him for his price. I never discuss arrangement till the end of a m / g. If your doing this online before ever meeting or just by texting you have an utr or pro. Lots of swers, CL, utr and pros have migrated to SA. You also have pro sbs you won't find anywhere else running rotations like mongers do. Now everyone has a different definition of a sb but mine is a true sb only has one sd at a time. Wants a long ltr and when she finds one her profile disappears.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;3514011]If you just want to drop $300 with little effort and be the 4th guy of the day, go for it. Agency or indy.

So on with the class. LOL.

8. You are going to have to spend a lot of time sending out messages, and by that I mean more than just "Hi sexy". Write a few words, mention anything they have in their profile that lets them know you actually read it.

9. Move them to text as quick as possible so you can do a little background checking on them via Google, Facebook, Instagram. Some are smart enough to use a text app, most aren't. And they love taking selfies.

10. What to offer, how to discuss how much they want. I try and get them to throw out a number first, it's referred to on SA as "allowance", never call it a donation, fee, or anything that sounds hookerish. If they insist on you making the first offer, always go for a range you are comfortable with given her looks I. E. $100-300 each time we meet, maybe 2-4 times a month depending on our schedules and chemistry. This will do 2 things, it will ward off the GPS girls who want the private jet, yacht, and rolex. It lets them know they can counter at UP TO $300 (if she looks good enough) occasionally I will even drop it down to $200 if I have plenty of other hotter girls on the line. IF she comes at you with a number such as $600 per meet, ALWAYS cut that in half, and even down to $200-250 if she isn't a solid 9..[/QUOTE]Anybody have good luck on SA who is a younger dude, like in their 30's or 40's? I could see the women more drawn to the older guys thinking they can provide a higher allowance, but younger guys with a good bank roll. Any success?

SA is a VERY diverse group of people looking for VERY diverse things. You may have to hunt for it, but pretty much whatever you want is on there somewhere. The problem is you may have to hunt for a long time and go through a bunch of duds.

For guys in their 30's you'll be VERY popular. You have cash + they would view you as actual BF material. Again, these are not all gold diggers looking for cars, jewels, etc. Don't get me wrong, some are, but most are really just looking for basic help with bills or maybe an allowance. Probably over half of those are looking for an unreasonable amount, but if you can afford 700-1500 a month, you're golden. Especially if you're in your 30's.

Guys in their 40's to early 50's are in the sugar baby sweet spot. SBs view them as being established enough to take care of them, but young enough to be viewed as still sexually desirable. I wish this site had been around when I was in my 40's. I'd be in heaven.

Once you hit mid 50's up into your 60's the pool of SBs that actually find you attractive falls off rapidly. You'll find plenty to have sex with you, but it will be mostly for the assistance. The advantage we older guys do have though is sexual experience. For most of the 20's SBs you're with, you will be the best sex they've ever had. That helps and counts for something. Then there is the smaller percentage, but not really rare group of SBs that are truly attracted to older guys. Be it for experience, wisdom, mentoring or maturity there are a pool of SBs that actually enjoy and want to spend time with you. The search is harder, but wonderful when you find it.

Good Hunting,

Travelin.

[QUOTE=CallMeTom;3514611]Anybody have good luck on SA who is a younger dude, like in their 30's or 40's? I could see the women more drawn to the older guys thinking they can provide a higher allowance, but younger guys with a good bank roll. Any success?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3514533]Most of these are pretty solid do's. The reporting for no show is pretty weak. Thi gs happen in life so I give one 2 chances and if she cancells twice or just no show I move on. Reporting if anything they cancel her membership and she has a new one up in 10 minutes. The negotiations I leave to them. If one is out of my range I thank her and move. Lots of swers, on. If she decides to counter offer then we have a conversation. Your supposed to be sd's so trying to haggle over a few bucks tells them your pretty fake. Not sure what your posting as your income but if its above 100 k and your trying to negotiate over 100 bucks different that's a red flag. Some girls actually look at that and call you out on it. GPS is just a guys term for a girl who won't fuck him for his price. I never discuss arrangement till the end of a m / g. If your doing this online before ever meeting or just by texting you have an utr or pro. Lots of swers, CL, utr and pros have migrated to SA. You also have pro sbs you won't find anywhere else running rotations like mongers do. Now everyone has a different definition of a sb but mine is a true sb only has one sd at a time. Wants a long ltr and when she finds one her profile disappears.[/QUOTE]I won't report them simply for no show, I would if they attempted any type of scam or pay BEFORE meet. I have my income set at 100 K which is pretty accurate. Negotiating for $100 is not being cheap, it's called maximizing my investment. GPS is a 2 type scenario, the girl who is a 7 thinks she's a 10 because somebody told her she was gorgeous and sets her rates extremely high because of it OR the girl who knows she's hot as fuck and thinks her pussy has magical powers, so she sets her price high and takes only those who are willing to pay that ridiculous amount.

I agree there are plenty of pro SB's on there that do nothing other than run a rotation, just like a touring provider does. I know, I see one all the time and it's pretty damn fun. I also agree that the true definition of a SB has been re-defined as the girls are figuring out they can get an almost unlimited supply of dick, trips, and gifts simply by seeing more than one guy. Some are very very selective in who they will see, those profiles are pretty obvious from the ones who are basically pay for play girls that want to be kept women.

Worth it. I would never pay this most of the time, but for the amount of time spent their price was right at agency prices.

One girl was an 8 face 9 body. The other was a 10/10. Both young, pretty (one of them model pretty) very eager to please.

Nothing like a service. Very GFE and PSE. Like a hotel party with the prom queen and her best friend and they're in a freshman year college slutty phase.

BBBJ, BBFS, CIM, COF, MSOG, with video.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3514533]Most of these are pretty solid do's. The reporting for no show is pretty weak. Thi gs happen in life so I give one 2 chances and if she cancells twice or just no show I move on. Reporting if anything they cancel her membership and she has a new one up in 10 minutes. The negotiations I leave to them. If one is out of my range I thank her and move. Lots of swers, on. If she decides to counter offer then we have a conversation. Your supposed to be sd's so trying to haggle over a few bucks tells them your pretty fake. Not sure what your posting as your income but if its above 100 k and your trying to negotiate over 100 bucks different that's a red flag. Some girls actually look at that and call you out on it. GPS is just a guys term for a girl who won't fuck him for his price. I never discuss arrangement till the end of a m / g. If your doing this online before ever meeting or just by texting you have an utr or pro. Lots of swers, CL, utr and pros have migrated to SA. You also have pro sbs you won't find anywhere else running rotations like mongers do. Now everyone has a different definition of a sb but mine is a true sb only has one sd at a time. Wants a long ltr and when she finds one her profile disappears.[/QUOTE]There are definitely women who overrated and overprice themselves. They have GPS, it is real.

[QUOTE=CallMeTom;3514611]Anybody have good luck on SA who is a younger dude, like in their 30's or 40's? I could see the women more drawn to the older guys thinking they can provide a higher allowance, but younger guys with a good bank roll. Any success?[/QUOTE]Tom, I chat with girls all the time that are looking for younger guys than me. No harm, no foul I say and move on. I also don't have a huge bankroll and certainly don't brag about having one. Most of the girls I send messages to never even look at my profile (you can tell this by your "Interests" category. Almost all respond to the message I drop on them and I often have to tell them to refer to my profile for some info they are requesting. Like I said in an earlier post, I almost NEVER reply to a girl that contacts me first. I've found them to be, for the most part, either out of state or country, VERY young and seeming GOLD DIGGERS or just not my type. I like to search who's online and only go back a couple of hours since they left and hit the ones I have an interest in. If they reply to my message it usually comes to a meeting and F**King.

Go get me.

SKY.

I was talking with one of the ladies and SA and she was asking a TON of questions. Do you live alone? Where are you right now? What do you do? Now this girl is drop dead gorgeous, and I began to think why is she asking all these questions. Then it hit me that she may be running a scam to find out where I live and if anyone was home in order to rob me without being noticed. Has anyone else experienced this? What are your thoughts?

[QUOTE=SkyHighBuilder;3515665]Tom, I chat with girls all the time that are looking for younger guys than me. No harm, no foul I say and move on. I also don't have a huge bankroll and certainly don't brag about having one. Most of the girls I send messages to never even look at my profile (you can tell this by your "Interests" category. Almost all respond to the message I drop on them and I often have to tell them to refer to my profile for some info they are requesting. Like I said in an earlier post, I almost NEVER reply to a girl that contacts me first. I've found them to be, for the most part, either out of state or country, VERY young and seeming GOLD DIGGERS or just not my type. I like to search who's online and only go back a couple of hours since they left and hit the ones I have an interest in. If they reply to my message it usually comes to a meeting and F**King.

Go get me.

SKY.[/QUOTE]That makes no sense, any woman who says that is stupid and doesn't really want to make sure lot of cash.

A provider should be interested in the donation and no drama. Why would they turn down old men who tend to be more docile, wealthy and have lower sex drives.

An old man should be a very easy client. I guess some girls are just dumb or shallow.

I'm really surprised to hear women NOT wanting older men. That is foreign to me.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3515974]That makes no sense, any woman who says that is stupid and doesn't really want to make sure lot of cash.

A provider should be interested in the donation and no drama. Why would they turn down old men who tend to be more docile, wealthy and have lower sex drives.

An old man should be a very easy client. I guess some girls are just dumb or shallow.

I'm really surprised to hear women NOT wanting older men. That is foreign to me.[/QUOTE]Parrot, it was a total shock to me the first time one said (Ewwww, I'm not into FUCKING my grandpa). And I heard similar things several times. It doesn't bother me I just move on. Too many fish to even get to or afford. But it does boggle the mind. I guess that's why they have 33 flavors of icecream, LOL.

This is my story: I started using BP and these type of forums a couple of years ago with different degrees of success. So I don't consider myself and experienced monger yet. I have been way more active in the international forum due to my job requiring me to travel to other countries. My job changed and I don't travel abroad anymore, so I started looking for providers here. I started getting frustrated and disappointed with the overall quality of BP, until one of the senior members started talking about SA. All I have to say is thank you, and that I had no idea a site like this existed.

I joined SA about a three weeks ago and so far it's been a wonderful experience. I'm 30 years old (look 25), fit, and married. I still travel domestically, and due to my younger appearance, I've been successful using Tinder whenever I'm not home. Tinder is great, but requires insane amounts of work just to find someone that you may or may not get lucky with. But when you do, it's free and without limits. Take Tinder and merge it with BP and what you get is SA. The best of both worlds!

Due to my age, I was afraid I wasn't going to be taken seriously on SA. It's been quite the opposite. I have so many phone numbers that I can't keep track of them. I would go bankrupt before I meet up with all the girls that are willing to meet with me. My relentless efforts of trying get free pussy off of Tinder have armed me with so many useful tools on how to approach girls and persuade then into meeting me. My first actual experience didn't go all that well, it was with this 25 yo, she was maybe a 7 and we met up to have dinner and see how we connected (I chose a place really far from my house). Things didn't go far with her, she wanted to have something more serious and wanted to go on multiple dates before we ever did anything. It was my fault, I then realized I should've been upfront regarding my expectations when we were texting so that my time would not be wasted. Learn and move on.

The next day, I met up with this curvy, not quite BBW, 19 yo. This time I had learned from my previous mistake and was upfront about my expectations without being too explicit, and she was OK with everything; we even discussed the terms of the arrangement. After meeting her and realizing that she was what I had imagined, I booked a hotel and spent the next 3 hours doing everything my imagination allowed. GFE, DFK, MSOG, everything was on the table, including bare (I personally don't do bare but she was OK with it) and Greek as well. And she was a squirter too! After that, we said our goodbyes (I desperately needed a Gatorade) and agreed that next time she would be able to host and that her roommate could potentially join. Holly fuck! It was a great find!

I will post about my third experience in a different post, there are tons of details I would like to share. All I can say is that it was better than the one before! I want to thank the senior members that brought this site to my attention and the advice of many that have tried it as well. Happy hunting!